Leading Broken Churches with Jon Chasteen
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
- Jon Chasteen talks about what he learned after being picked (at age 34) to be the senior pastor of a megachurch after the founding pastor's moral failure.
He discusses the keys to leading broken churches and organizations you inherited, does a post-mortem on leading a church after a moral failure, and shares how to know when to kill what your predecessor built or when to leave it alone.
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Chapters
00:00 - How to Get Out Of Your Own Way
02:02 - The Next Generation of Leadership
05:58 - Rebuilding a Broken Ship
07:41 - What Made Me Want to Be a Pastor?
12:48 - What is the Post-mortem of Inheriting a Church
18:51 - The Family Business in Church
24:20 - Does Your Enneagram Make You a Disaster?
31:00 - Honor Your Priorities
35:11 - The Challenges of Being a Lead Pastor
37:41 - 4 Rules for a Successful Leader
40:50 - Building Trust
46:21 - Building a fresh culture
48:22 - Creating Core Values
55:29 - Regrets of Leading the Church
57:48 - The Challenge of Chasing Down Leavers
01:04:37 - What Do Leaders Need to Know About Relevancy?
01:05:52 - How to Fix What You Didn't Break
as a millennial "re-leader" that took a church where the previous leadership really left people gutted...I deeply appreciate this conversation. It has given me so much language
Glad it was helpful, thanks for watching
I’m 4 months in as a “re-leader.” Took a lead pastor position at a church that is going through much of what is said here. Great convo. Thank you
Thank you for taking on this position. Cheering for you!
So thankful for this conversation! 3 years into serving as a Lead Pastor after taking over a church that was in decline. Some differences in that our previous pastor is an incredible man and lives with incredible integrity, but still a lot of things I am working through today involve striving to change culture. Thanks for this Carey!
Lots of great insight here. Thanks Carey and Jon.
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching
Love the God of the “or!” He can do the impossible, if we are faithful and persistent. Life is a marathon, not a sprint, applies to almost everything in life. I love honoring someone who has made a mistake because we are all sinners, and honoring doesn’t mean trusting.
Jon is reading my mail!! I've done this SO many times over 40 years
You're not alone, that's for sure
This is a word in season
Such a good episode! I don't think Brady Boyd "honored" Ted Haggard; to do so could have been a death knell due to so many people feeling betrayed. Rather, to my knowledge, Brady never publicly spoke ill of Ted, and publicly acknowledged that he (Brady) was not the one who built the church from the ground up before he arrived. As time rolled out, many other issues came to light (as we see now with IHOP-KC), so "honoring" a fallen pastor is a tightrope walk that leaders should tread carefully.
I’ve thought about this conversation for a couple of weeks now. Overall it was great. Personally i feel it requires more discernment in regard to the ‘feces’ conversation. Not everyone who leaves your church should be considered ‘re-eating feces.’ In some instances I can see that applicable, maybe. In some instances however, not at all. Shouldn’t we look at more variables and discern why people are leaving? Are they leaving over church leadership problems? Are they leaving over distrust of church finances? God could be trying to show the church something and the church completely misses it.
"... teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you ..." Hugh? I thought he said "flatter me" and "talk about me," not "OBEY me?" Golly-gee.
Wow, really disappointed with the discussion just after the hour point of this interview. It definitely mirrors my experience with churches, but I don't see it as a mirror of God. Are you understanding "broken" in the context of the Kingdom of God? The devil breaks people in so many ways - health, trauma, disappointment, unemployment, etc. And excluding people forever more from leadership in churches because the devil has gotten to work breaking them at some point is not God's way of doing things. I think the church misses out on many people that God has spent years reclaiming and restoring because those people aren't "perennials" to use the word used in this interview. Those people could breathe such life back into the leadership of churches, especially since their hearts so badly want to bring in the lost. They were lost. They know how urgently the church should be seeking out others who are lost, but because they have had complicated lives they're not given the chance. I speak from experience - I have multiple diseases, a long history of failure and brokenness and I don't fit the church mold at all. The devil has made sure I struggle to be a "perennial". God has been working on me for years to reclaim and restore me, and God has done a very good job. But I've been discipled by God, not a church, so I don't fit in with church. I have little interest in traditions or "how things are supposed to be done." I only care about one thing - saving another lost person, because I was a lost person. I don't even care if people specifically come to church or not, I care if they follow Jesus. I know that Jesus can reclaim and restore them (the church can't do that). In my experience churches aren't willing to "let me in" because all I want to do is save lost people. And honestly, I don't think God is thrilled about that because He's put in a lot of effort into me and I want to help churches, but they don't want it. I love your podcast, but please be careful of limiting leadership to "perennials." I assure you God doesn't only use people who know how to "do things the way they're supposed to be done."
He sounds just like Craig Groshel lol
I'll have to go back and re-listen now, haha.
I get so perplexed, for why we lean into the phrase "Broken church or Broken People" why? Christ is the great redeemer and mender of hearts...churches are missing the Holy Spirit as the Head of decisions and choices...that's why many churches are "struggling". There may be some willful disobedience present. And it may not be The Pastor, but maybe there is tolerance of it somewhere. John Bevere talks about being intimidated by the sin within the congregations.
Lol