Dark Souls 3, but ChatGPT chooses my build...
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- čas přidán 7. 03. 2023
- The Dark Souls 3 ChatGPT challenge is back, and it's leveled up since last time...
I'm sure most of you know by now, but ChatGPT is a chatbot developed by OpenAI. Chatbots are designed to mimic human conversations, but remembering prompts inputted earlier in the same discussion sets ChatGPT apart from others. In this video, I want to find out just how much the A.I. knows about Dark Souls 3, and how good the recommendations will be as we progress through the game.
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chatgpt at this point is like taking advice from someone who just reads the wiki and never played the game
Your surprised the ai that pulls from the internet uses the wiki?
yea i mean that is quite literally how that works
I’d be way more scared if ChatGPT saw the questions and did a whole play through.
@@KuriYellow Of course, but the fact that it successfully imitates a person who read the wiki but never played the game is impressive by itself.
Ah so most of the dark souls fandom?
Today I learned, Pontiff is MANDATORY to get through the game and Yhorm is optional
Thank you ChatGPT and Gungnir for this insight
Probably watched too many ymfah videos
@@Genindraz too be fair, it searches parts of information online
So it more than likely had taken some - a lot of information from Ymfah
@@Flippirinono it takes from previous users
@@Fallen-Knight As someone who hasn't used it, I have no choice but to trust this
@Fallen-Knight it definitely doesn't considering someone would have to give the ai bot advice on how to play DS3 lol
ChatGPT's recommendations are like college kids throwing together a discussion post 😭
Well from what I know, it scours the internet for information so some of it probably is actually from college kids discussion posts lmao
oh god dont remind me about discussion posts bane of my fucking existence
I agree with this comment. I’ve seen discussion board posts and they are like that. You can tell by the way it looks.
Given its basis, that adds up.
Kids at my school use exclusively ChatGPT for discussion posts, so I'm not surprised.
Personally would love to see you do this with the dlc, as it is still giving some pretty unique builds. Very similar to the ign guide videos that zerolenny did, and they were all great
I second this motion, he should do it as an epilogue later on after he's had the chance to play the DLC normally
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@@garbothraxis4201 I agree, it should absolutely not be his first playthrough of it, but it would be nice to see.
Tbh it's kinda amazing that an ai can even give this level of advice. Kinda scary aswell mind. Atleast rn it's kinda...limited
Why is it scary?
@@dartoney imagine karma-farming reddit bots that can actually write suitable comments, racking up thousands of Karma, completely automatically, gaining access to larger subreddits which check karma count and account history, so they can be used by scammers, people who intend to spread malicious software or to spread hate-speech
@@karajohn5504 oh my, that's totally some kind of completely new thing that can never happen without using a highly-advanced AI. What kind of terrible thing is ChatGPT going to be used for next, Nigerian letters?
@NessunO no, the slightly unsettling part is that it will give scammers and people who intend to spread hate speech more credibility and access to ban evasion.
it's just a hodgepodge of of bad google advice.
The DLC is indeed amazing, particularly The Ringed City; it's one of my favorite parts of the whole series. I'd love to see the epilogue you mentioned after you play through it normally, though!
the first dlc kinda sucks aside from the weapons and the final boss
For the Aldrich fight, it is actually possible to hide from the arrows.
If you stand all way way inside the room, by those statues, the arrows won't hit you
can also use the pillars too, the trick is running around them while the arrows are happening
Dude, you have a unique opportunity to do DLC's blind with ChatGPT at your side. Take it.
Throughout the entirety of this video, I was picturing Gungnir saying "That's a nice suggestion ChatGPT, why don't you try backing it up with a source?" to which ChatGPT says "my source is that I made it the fuck up!" in my head.
Gugnir : Bro, are you high?
ChatGPT : Let me check.
ChatGPT : Yes
I like to believe Maxor only edits his videos when he's high.
Hahaha, god I need to rewatch that video
I see you everywhere LOL
pretty insane that chatgpt actually got better since the first video and gave some pretty good advice for builds and boss fights
It didn't, it just happened to give more coherent answers at the start, which lead to a pattern of coherent answers. Previously, coherency wasn't reinforced, so incoherency was.
I think it would be a good idea to record your first reaction to the DLC, it is one of the greatest of any games and most major CZcamsrs have already completed it long ago
7:06 that’s totally a thing you can do, but unfortunately the pillars, by the second phase, are all gone
21:50
This is edited so perfectly, it just looks like the Nameless king attacks at light speed and it's super wacky.
The build it gave you is actually one of the best builds in the game, lothric knight GS buffed with lightning blade has some of the highest AR in the game
Please keep the dark souls content coming I’m all for it! It would be awesome to see you do this with other souls games or maybe a different type of challenge run but either way I will watch!
New gungnir video :D love the dark souls content, keep it up :)
ChatGPT is here coming up with a miracle build before the old man does and Gungnir doesn't even use it.
You never forget that first run, and you get "flashes" of that feeling of..., no words can describe.
Once you get to know a little bit about how ChatGPT and large language models work and how its basically a glorified "Next word predictor", all the responses start to make a lot of sense.
It's definitely not the best -- but it's also obsolete, GPT4 is out and it looks like it will be 10x better in every category.
I'm quite sure GPT5 will be able to do my entire job.
(Sorry in advance for the rant, I just had to get this off my chest)
The one thing I'd really like to see is a model that's smart enough to choose it's approach. If you ask ChatGPT-3 to play 20 questions, it'll play along but fall flat on its face. It's DEFINITELY got enough raw power behind it, but it just doesn't know how.
You could fine-tune ChatGPT just by allowing it to take notes, instead of the "take everything in" brute force solution it seems to be using.
If you ask ChatGPT to list the clues its been given in 20 questions, it'll give you about 4-5. If you ask for all of them, it will chug for a while and then give you 6-8. It's physically incapable of remembering all 20 questions. You can even tell it the answer you're picking before you start, and it will forget that by the end.
If it could keep track of its overall task and take notes as it goes, it would hit that out of the park. But it can't.
GPT-4 is probably has enough raw power and data behind it to design a whole house. Plumbing, electricity, room layout...but there's no way it could keep track of it all and put it together. But if it could -- if it could actually keep track of data in addition to its (8x larger) context space, that would be a huge improvement.
I see a future, with current neural net methods, where I can tell GPT to make one room of the house a little larger and it adjusts the blueprints to accommodate it, while remembering all the other things I wanted.
And I see a future where if GPT can't give me everything I asked for, it apologizes and says that problem is too hard, but lets me know that if I drop one of the constraints it can find a solution.
I don't think any of this is crazy.
And that's if you gave it a reasonable amount of note-taking space. There's no reason why they'll stop there.
Why not let GPT-5 write down everything it knows (or thinks it knows), and then have a background process trawling through that database looking for contradictions? Not just a language model, not just a language model that can keep track of things on a notesheet, but a language model that has a long list of "facts".
The language model can spout its bullshit about which bosses in DS3 you need to beat, and then the user corrects them. GPT then checks its fact database, checks the internet wiki and forums, finds an answer that looks right, and then asks you to confirm it.
Then of course the next step would be to have GPT keep track of what evidence it has to back up each fact. How many people have confirmed it? What other facts does it link up with? What sources did it use to develop that "fact"?
None of this required a revolutionary new method of machine learning or neural network architecture. This was all just adding long term memory as a peripherary.
GPT3 is just a glorified language model, but it can (and will) become much more capable in the very near future.
And I promise you, we aren't ready.
Maybe it won't be until GPT-6 or GPT-7, but there will be a neural net that can act as CEO, and perform 98% of the office work, and do 98% of the engineering.
And before that, we'll have a neural network that's better at deciding government policy than your average politician.
How long will it take? 30 years? 70 years? I don't know.
The future's going to be wild though. You don't need AGI to shake things up.
You don't need AGI to beat the game of Go, and you don't need AGI to run a company or a country.
The tricky part is, AlphaGo was able to crush top players in Go, KataGo could crush AlphaGo, and a decent human player just beat KataGo in 14/15 games because it had an oversight in its training.
For good and bad, AI are here and we're not ready.
My grandpa used one of the early computers that was just a pre-programmed spreadsheet for insurance rate calculations.
I used floppy discs and cleverbot.
My kids are going to go through elementary school with a phone in their pocket that can pass graduate school exams.
And in 20 years, when I'm about to turn 50, AI will have taken my job. A job that everyone would have thought was safe 20 years ago.
Fuck man. It's a glorified next word predictor that we use for silly youtube videos now, but the world is going to _change_
@@tomc.5704 that was amazing
@@tomc.5704 Currently GPT's main problem is in regards to token limitations, but there have been huge breakthroughs lately that will likely find their way into future GPT models, removing that extremely limiting factor.
It's also worth noting, it's actually extremely inaccurate to call it a "next work predicter" given how it's neural network works. It's task is to predict the next word in a sentence, but that doesn't mean that's all it does. That's just it's job. It's like equating chefs to microwaves, there's a huge difference here, not only in the fact that a chef is far more complex and capable than a microwave, but also in the fact that a chef doesn't have to be a chef. Microwaves are made to cook food, chefs learn to cook food, this difference applies to AI as well as it does to chefs.
I love that you are branching out to other games! Don't forget we are watchibg your videos for you and your personality not only terraria. Keep it up great video!
I believe when it's telling you to use the pillars to dodge the arrows it might be "thinking" of the round pillar strat. During arrow rain in phase 2 you can just circle the pillar to work through it. Ooooooor just stand in the safe spot at the far end of the room.
by the way, ChatGPT (alledgedly) does not learn from it's previous chats as it has no access to the internet or any other materials that haven't already been programmed into it, so it's possible that it's more that the software algorithms have improved since launch
Huh that’s interesting I would’ve thought that it had unfettered internet access and used relevant information from the internet to answer questions
It's actually just coincidence. Unless he went from GPT3.5 to GPT4 between videos, it has no knowledge of the past conversations as it's loaded up anew. It's more likely that it happened to give more coherent answers this time around at first, and due to that pattern of coherency, it continued to give more coherent answers throughout his conversation.
Hey Gungnir, just want to say I absolutely enjoyed this, I would love to see more dark souls/Elden ring content. As always though, do what you want to do and remember to have fun.
You need to do these types of videos more because this and the last video was easily in of your bets if not your best video ever live the vids man keep up the great work
I love this! Please more dark souls videos! I would love to see you play through the dlc for the first time
If you weren't aware, you can hide between the pillars at the back of the room (Behind Aldritch starting point) to totally be shielded from it's arrow rain in phase 2
this honestly makes me want to try out one of these sorts of runs with Terraria on my own
OOH that would be so interesting to watch!
what would you try to let ChatGPT choose? What boss you should try or which armor/weapon you should craft/search for?
I am interested into the ideas for using it to play Terraria
@@tikurai4970 probably early tips, class, accessories, and boss tips. hope it knows about life crystals underground and fallen stars for mana crystals. maybe ask what to do after each boss? that's kinda what I'd do
Been waiting for this
PLEASE KEEP MAKING DS3 RUNS I LOVE DARK SOULS AND I LOVE YOU
You can use the pillars to block arrows, but only on the first phase. The arrows act different each phase. In phase 1 the arrows move in a wave, continuing in one direction. Best way to avoid that is to roll behind Aldrich as he casts it. In phase 2 the arrows have a tracking function, so they’ll follow you a lot hard initially. Running away as soon as you see him pointing the bow is best, and keep a look out for ranges attacked afterwards.
My first time fighting Ancient Wyvern was brutal since I didn't realize that you were intended to run through the entire area and do the plunging attack. I was so confused hearing people say it's an easy fight while I was struggling doing no damage. If only I had ChatGPT to come in clutch
man i couldn t wait for another episode
I love how there’s little tidbits of genuine advice sprinkled around here and there!
Well like any good lie or someone good at bullshtting there is always some truth in there somewhere.
@@demonintellect9834 It even relies on the default answer if you don't know what you're talking about: just telling someone to get good and dodge attacks more
Love the souls content, keep it up!
First of all, I love these videos! I'm glad you decided to branch out a bit from Terraria into one of my favorite series! I have some theories about the ChatGPT recommendations that you might find interesting.
The obsession with lightning resin is probably because ChatGPT is pulling from the current meta Speedrun routes. After Carthus rouge got nerfed a few patches ago, the speedrunners switched to using lightning on almost all bosses simply because of availability (getting the correct ashes fairly early, then only having to buy all required bundles in one go from the maiden).
Then, the "Ranged Attack vs Lothric princes" is probably based on the Frozen Princes strat (allowed in glitchless runs, since it doesn't actually break the AI). Hopefully this helps!
P.S. I would very much love to see you do the DLCs, both for your initial playthrough and for your ChatGPT playthrough. Hopefully you post them!
P.P.S. I wrote this paused right before you did princes, haha. You need to kill the older brother with a ranged attack while standing on the red carpet to freeze them in second phase. Good research, though!
Your smoughs hammer take is crazy im using it rn on a replay and its fire
I love that ChatGPTs solution for best build is to give you the highest AR or attack rating build which is pretty interesting since most would consider dex sellsword twin blades the best build due to its high AR and speed
Im still loving these vidoes!
I'd LOVE to see what the AI says of the DLC and these superbosses after you're done with it yourself.
I would honestly love seeing you do this in DS1 remastered and maybe even elden ring idk. Recently gotten addicted to FromSoft so this was a nice surprise to say the least haha
I went to click the sub button then realized i already am😂 keep up the great work man awesome vid
So glad to see this continue dark souls is the greatest series known to man
Dude, absolutely come back to this and finish the DLCs after you're done with them!
I’m new to the souls series and ds3 is my first souls game I’m playing so your commentary is both funny and useful
seeing a video of you playing dlc for the first time would be cool too but definitely do a video on it regardless
I do recommend doing a Shield only run if only of your own time, it's actually great fun-Black Iron Greatshield is indeed a brilliant shield for it- and also certain bosses will greatly kick your butt, including the final boss of Ashes of Ariandel.
Loving the souls content!
With the Aldrich fight you can indeed use the pillars to block the arrows. They are not the main pillars in the center of the room but the ones in the way back on the backwall of that stage. If you hide between the pillars it will provide cover to your character from the arrow rain ability.
The more you know.
Great video! Hope you do the DLC with ChatGPT someday.
Hey, glad to see another video from you Gungnir! I'm back again with more random trivia and things to point out and say for the lolz. Thanks for pinning my comment on the last part, I'm glad you liked it enough to do so. Without further ado, here we go again!
Ah, the Estoc. It's one of the earliest and strongest weapons you can get in Dark Souls 1. As it's a strong Thrust and Pierce weapon, it can literally carry you throughout the entire game. Not so much in 3, sadly, but it's still not a bad pick. I believe the Heavy Attacks are Slash just like in 1, as you were performing them against the Deacons, it reminded me - there was a way back during release to actually force which Deacon would get the HP Pool next. Don't ask me how, as I never did it, but there was a way, and people would do it so the next one would be the one of those next to the one they just killed. Was... interesting.
Next, sadly, gear matters barely at all in 2 or 3, as Poise is non-existent, the only real use is Absorption, or Damage Negation. In PvP it's barely noticeable unlike in 1. Really wish we could have a Souls Game where WE can be the Big Bois with Big Poise again... I miss you, Crystal Helm, Elite Knight Armour, Havel's Gauntlets, Giant Leggings...
the funny thing Is that chatGPT was right, the heavy lothric knight greatsword, pair it with buffs like deep protection and sunlight blade, can deal over 1000 damage with only 2 r1 presses, witch makes it the most damaging build in the game! not the best, since you were fatrolling and the Ai did not recommend to buff, but it definitively could have been the best build if optimizerd
i just like you playing dark souls games. Anymore other than the chatgpt vids?
Chat GPT could not predict the sheer power of PLIN PLIN PLON
You should make a video out of your first ringed city play through. It’s a great dlc and I think people would enjoy watching you play it.
I think after you experience the DLC you should use chatgpt and continue this
The key to a shield tank build is healing facing toward the enemy. Never run with your back to it because then you cant block. I used to put my summon sign by Dragonslayer armor with a heavy tank build. Theres a great round shield that draws in aggro too (moaning shield or something) so I would tank the whole fight for glass cannons all the time. That build wouldnt even break stance under a full combo from Dragonslayer and I'd have stamina left over lol.
To be fair to you, even if you had gotten all the levels and the +3 rings (all of which are in the Ringed City DLC), you still would have been fatrolling at the end. Ran it through a build planner, that is just very chonky armor and not enough vitality. Would be a good build if you got the necessary Vitality.
so fun fact(sorry if you've heard this from others) yhorm can be fought with relative ease without the stormruler. just go for his left arm(the one not holding the weapon), his arms are less armored and thus take more damage. also, they have poise that makes him get stunned so you can hit him in the head for more damage than you'd do with a headshot while he's standing
enough hits to the head and another poise break happens that allows for a massive damage riposte
Really enjoying this series. dlc would be great
Honestly I just started a build like this after I watched your video and honestly chat gpt is giving really good recommendations he told me to use mercenary level dex endurance and vigor and told me to fight Horst and then crystal Sage chat is giving genuinely good recommendations
footage of Gungnir learning how weak Pontiff Sulyvahn's attacks are
I was excited when chatgpt advised vigor! Cool to see it learning. It would be fun to see a very first experience in dlc guided by chatgpt, but that would spoil your impression of it.
The real question is: can you plunge attack the ancient vywern with shield/bow?
Very rarely i subscribe to a youtuber. You rock bro❤
just waited for this ngl
I didn't know you could insta kill the ancient wyvern on my first visit, I actually fought him normally, it was abyssmal, but frostbite + pyromancy is clutch af
You could try out a 100% equip load run, just be forever tanky, but slow walking. Also the dagger dash exists so its not like you can't move at least kinda quickly.
I'm doing that myself RN, getting walled hard by the endgame bosses
@@simplexsage I've been thinking of trying it myself, after watching Iron pineapple do it on elden ring.
@@markabyss1200 fair warning, you actually can't quickstep at that equip load, took me by surprise when I tried it
@@simplexsage oh really? I guess that's only an elden ring thing then?
Great vid.
The way you talk about dark souls as you play reminds me of old EthosLabs Minecraft lets plays. Kinda a random thought.
Watching the previous video of this (and livestream fps bow only) made me start playing this again, and I have come to learn magic is nuts. Also surely I can't be the only one who dies repeatedly to crystal sage...right?
Well you are using magic afterall
this man didnt even get emotional when the bling, bling, blong happend at phase 2 of soul of cinder
23:45 my blind playthrough of DS3 was a beefy tanky build with Exile Armor and a Greatshield. It was incredibly fun (especially for a blind 1st playthrough) highly recommend it.
I love so much when it just makes some shit up
like
well, for one thing, when i can go back in my mind and be like 'no actually that's complete gibberish', i feel pretty cool
but also it's just so funny to see it pull something out its ass
My first play through I did a tank shield build. Wanted to go strength and big weapons but ended up liking the long sword move set so much I played it the whole game. Hadn’t gamed in like 7 years and still breezed through most bosses. Only struggled with Aldrich, and I had done the route chat gpt suggested so I was under leveled.
I just want to see you play through the DLCs legit! I'd watch the hell out of that and it would be interesting watching someone play through them for the first time after so many years
love the dark souls content
Gnugg gnir
perfect
gug ngir
I've only played ds1 so watching you play ds3 was both confusing and familiar at the same time
Fun fact the only difference between heavy rolling and medium rolling as well as medium and light rolling is 1 frame I think the biggest reason heavy rolling throws people off is because of the insane difference in distance covered
It also has a lot longer recovery time and lowers your stamina regen
suggestion for your next gpt-run - how about asking it for the BEST MEME BUILDS? i could imagine some great potential in this =D
Chatgpt's first description for the black leather set is the location of the leather set in DS1
ChatGPT uses old info. It's training data goes up to 2021. It also doesn't use consumer interactions for it's training right now. To be more specific your interactions are not used when GPT interacts with other users. ChatGPT itself can confirm this. The reason why you get better responses during part 2 - you ask more specific questions. It's not like chat generates every response from the scratch. For example if you ask for strength build - it will just look for strength build for example on IGN (yes it's pretty much plagiarism) and give it to you. In part 1, your questions were probably too generic so it couldn't find exact match - basically incorrect answers is something GPT have really generated 🙂. From what I tried truly coherent responses on some decent questions are usually a simple copy-paste from another source.
Well, yes, and no. It's training data is limited, but it also doesn't look anything up. It's built on a weighting system, it uses a lot of math to evolve internal systems of logic to properly perform tasks, and the training data affects the weighting. However it doesn't store that training data, nor can it reference it directly. It's a lot more like how a Human brain remembers things, in a vague but efficient manner. It can't repeat an exact IGN article from it's training data back to you because it doesn't have a reference for those IGN articles it was trained on.
I do believe it's a copyright issue, but it's almost impossible for it to directly plagiarize anything that isn't well known(such as movies, stories, or plays that are repeated frequently in it's training data).
This must how it felt like listening to the Oracle of Delphi's advice
The greataxe is a solid option, used that in my first playthrough till the end of the game
ChatGPT’s suggestions are like that one backseat gamer friend who played through the game once 5 years ago and is acting like the expert. Just delivering completely wrong information with enviable confidence but still getting some things right
That magical 1HP on the soul of cinder 😂👌🏻
Would be funny to see this in ds1 and 2 since you have more paths to take on those 2
FYI if you fight yhorm without the storm ruler, aim for his arms while he’s doing his slam down moves. It does more damage than the feet and will stagger him so you can get a critical. Sometimes you end up hitting his head too.
I think from what I remember, the lotheric weapons scale better with dex. But yeah it’s still a pretty legit build.
it's good to see that Gung doing non-terraria hasn't killed his channel in the algorithm like most single game focused youtubers who try to bridge out and play other games to grow their channel
even if you don't with this save, RECORD YOU DOING THE DLC. it is so fun watching people experience new, and really good, things. please do this even if u dont on the gpt run
23:00 Gungnir be like:
this is what peak performance looks like
I don't think ChatGPT learns from user inputs (re-training these huge LLMs is expensive.) One thing that does happen is that if it makes a mistake, it starts to predict that it's writing something full of mistakes, getting worse and worse (because it's based around an engine for predicting the next word in Internet text, fine tuned a bit for following instructions.) That's probably what happened last video. It's more committed to avoiding inconsistencies than accuracy - you saw this a bit with the "Usurpation of Fire" ending bit, it remembered the real way to get it but had already committed to claiming that was the default ending.
It's interesting to see the real-time effect of young to middle age adults beginning to lose touch with modern technology and misunderstand it, as it's been with every past generation. Makes you feel old.
Seeing u fight pontiff without parrying gave me immense pain.
After you finish this series you should do this same challenge but in elden ring
These 2 videos gave me the idea to ask chat gpt for help in beating the lord of cinder and I ended up winning
Please make more videos like this, maybe do a club only play through
The idea is pretty neat. In Elden Ring for example, the difference between a bad build and a good/optimal build for a certain playstyle is huge. I think this is something lacking in the From Soft game, advice on how to build your character. Because a lot of fun in this game is figuring how to make an effective build, so having little advice like that might encourage people to experiment and even (let's go crazy) use the consumable.
PLEASEEE BRING MORE
damn this is amazing can you do this with the other souls games?
would you consider doing this in dark souls 1? this was very fun to watch
I’ve played the hell out of this game and didn’t even know it had multiple endings