Kempo in MMA With John Hackleman
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- Is Kempo good enough to work in MMA? This is often a topic of debate between traditional martial artists and mixed martial artists. Many arts are often accused of being too ineffective to work in the ring. But is it the art that's the issue? Today we have John Hackleman, founder of Hawaiian Kempo and one of the most successful MMA coaches in history and he's going to give us his take on Kempo in MMA.
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It's interesting that John Hackleman, who was a competitive kickboxer, returned to his TMA roots to teach Hawaiian Kempo, an off-shoot of Kajukenbo, which descends from Kara-Ho Kempo, one of the parent-styles of Ed Parker's American Kenpo.
And he actually threw 99% of it out.. he teaches kickboxingMMA with a gi. nothing he does resembles any kempo.
I'm glad he shouted out Benny the Jet Urquidez. Both of these men are great Martial Arts Pioneers..
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I always looked at TMA, including Kempo as designed to work against an untrained thug, whereas MMA is a high-level sport designed to work against other trained fighters. Most of us martial artists who have been at it for a while, know that you need to adapt to different situations, and there is no one true style that works in every situation.
I respect Mr. hackleman he understands the proper categorizations of the arts self defense vrs competition arts and the aspect that really separates the two (conditioning)and focuses heavily on it .
he’s my youtube sensei🙂🙏🏽
Seems like the main ingredient for MMA according to Mr.H is conditioning. I think for those who study kata conditioning is also helpful.
It's necessary but not sufficient.
Never bad to condition yourself. However I feel some conditioning should mirror the actual training.
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MMA is to me a Tournament , he is right martial arts school should teach everything, actually it was like that in the 90's now everything is coming Back
Ufc from the 90's, Had Keith Hackman, who studied Kenpo took on a big Sumo guy and it worked
@@jakecollins4545he didn't win against Royce but he did put up a good fight for a little while he definitely had that right mentality of a fighter
Awesome interview! Thank you
Great interview,thanks 👍🏻🥋
basically if you trained any traditional martial art in the same duration and intensity that MMA fighters trained for professional fights you would be on par with them most traditional martial artists do not train to be intensity and duration of M M a fighters
I agree. This is an point we've tried to make quite a bit on the channel.
Phenomenal video.John Hackleman is a absolute legendary Martial artist. 🥋👍🏽
Ver 5.0 is at least trying to get there.
Oh sweet! Another interview! This is awesome and I’m glad this involved how Kenpo can be applied in the octagon, like all traditional martial arts can be applied in MMA
Thank you for the detail.
Great interview Dan!
For all the people commenting that this is just an opinion… no shit? 50 years in the martial arts.. kickboxing producing mixed martial arts, champions on a jury, he would be considered an expert witness.. even if you don’t agree with all of his opinions, they should hold strong value! I personally agree with 99% of what he is saying. I just don’t think he’s very good at articulating his points. It is probably years of physical damage from being an actual fighter.
Exactly unlike most people on CZcams or anywhere else that think they know about anything because they nerd out and watch MMA but they have never trained
@@maexpert11 even people I know from schools/gyms sometimes are tards as well.. but yeah… thats even worse! 😂
1:00 - 2:24 Strangely, there are video clips from Machida's MMA fights that show he made a number of Kata applications in that format such as Hikite/pulling hand, double punch, hand trapping, jump front kick and etc. You can find those clips from my recent videos which are titled as Kata Applications in MMA. I often hear from MMA folks that the methods within traditional forms won't work in a real fight yet I found those video examples from MMA's Karate-based fighters.
Secondly, Kata was not historically created to replace sparring since it is just a pre-arranged set of isolated techniques that serve as bodily templates for the purposes of technical references, historical record of someone's past moveset and movement drills. There is a reason why the Okinawans from pre 1900 had practical structures of training in their curriculum like Kake Dameshi or Oyo Jiyu Kumite (application free sparring) and Tegumi (native wrestling of Okinawa) alongside the various forms of Quan Fa.
Exactly Practicing Kata is just like learning the alphabet you still got know how to form words and communicate
Nothing wrong with kata as long as it’s not all you do
I practice kenpo love it my passion but I'm not much a kata lover . Just my opinion. I also been doing kick boxing for over 8 years and compete when you step in the ring whatever you better be condition and come with that aggression or you gonna get dropped facts no other way around that.
100% agree. Katas have their place. But not really in fighting
Kata is just like the letters of the alphabet. You still gotta know how to form words and communicate.
Steve Cooper’s AmerKai Kenpo is alongside Kenpo 5.0 in getting there for sure. Snap I love those tshirts too
Really respect John Hackleman!!!
You should interview Melinda Fabian an American Kempo Black Belt, 2x Kenpo World Champion, former UFC Fighter, and is expected to be challenging for the Inaugural Women's Bantamweight Title in Karate Combat in her next fight.
From what I know, Kenpo is a self defense based system. MMA is a fighting based system. If you practice self defense, you will be good at self defense. If you practice fighting, you will be good at fighting. It's that simple.
Incorrect,you cannot train for self defense it's too u unpredictable, if you train for MMA,you will be good anywhere,street included but the tactics change.
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Funny, 30 years karate and other arts. I have always thought that Benny the jet was also the best martial artist l have ever seen. I align with most of what Hackleman has to say.
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i incorporated some striking and kicking techniques, then i do clinch range, stand up throws and learning or memorizing any concepts of which angle should i use to target any weak point
i do fist and leg training and then knees and elbows for close range.
and then i do weight lifting to gain some muscles, conditioning drills(sit ups, ab crunch, leg stretch, push ups, plank and burpees) and then running around so i could be faster until i gas out. Then i do some squats and low ab crunches
It just makes me wonder how much better Chuck might have done if his base was Muay Thai.
Honestly, he'd probably be very similar. It's the athlete and how they train, not necessarily the specific art they chose.
He is right about Benny The Jet 👍
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I thought we were going to see some examples
Question for John. Why is it Professional MMA competitors are the WORST at the principles you preach. Like striking defense... nearly non-existent. Or takedown defense... where is it in all thiese top MMA org matches? Thirdly, and the Gracies.. who bragged that the striker couldn't stop the grappler... all stopped by strikers,, next by wrestlers?
You're a great MMA coach, we all can agree. But these blanket statements that TMA is somehow incompetent? What is your sample group? Does it include ranked JKA practitioners in Japan? How many who practice say karate (or Kenpo), really understand it's traditional foundation? 🤨🤨
Valid questions.
Hi there! Why do you wear a jacket when talking about MMA? Respect.
He's wearing the jacket because he's in California and we recorded this interview a few months ago so it was still cold and he had just come in from outside.
I do not agree with his comments about katas, i think his is a very terry silver approach to it. Especially if you combine that with his comment about partial arts studio. I think it is an area of study, not just a random set of movements, if it were just a random set of movements then i would agree with him, but i know they are areas to study they hold value as well
He’s talking about for mixed martial arts.. he’s exactly right for the sport of mixed martial arts..
I need a answer here!! Can some one show me what are the different belts each martial arts wears? Or all martial arts use the same belt???
My man, there are nicer ways to ask. If you need an answer very critically, Google can easily find this. Most martial arts don't wear belts at all. Belts are a Japanense influence, so you'll mainly see Karate schools wear belts. Okinawan schools picked up the belt system too. Other Japanese arts like Judo and Jujustu also have belts. BJJ Has belts, as well as a handful of others. Chinese arts and other martial arts don't usually wear belts unless they are following a commercializes ranking. This was all in the video I shared with you.
Now, if you're asking about physically what kind of belts...like fabric? Size? Brand? Every school is 100% different. There isn't a set "type" of belt that all styles use.
Are you Chuck Liddell’s dad. 😂
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This omment mades no sense in that the guy using a traditional MA in MMA won't be suing it on IT'S OWN. e.g. ONLY Kenpo. ONLY JP Karate....etc. i'ts always one of ....how do we know if it wOULD work or not?? I'd say ...edu guess...no traditional MA would do well in full contact...since none of hte tradtional MA compete in full-lcontact (except Kyokoshin Karte...bad idea IMHO as i don't think tey condition their bodies enough..so they're just taking damage...worse than a trianed full-contact kickboxer or MMA fighter).
The only way to test to see if any MA would work in MMA is to have someone who ONLY studied that ONE MA compete int he MMA....never happen...If you're not conditioned for full-contact, if you've never KO's another person or been KO'd....etc.
Like sending a civlilian who's only "gun" training is "paintball" and giving him a real gun with bullets, a CCW permit and sending him out into a bad part of town where h e'd likely be mugged....no experience in that kind of high pressure situation, never shot another person before (harder to do than most know....not that I KNow...an edu guess)....
In the end....for me MA is either for exercise or sport. to think it could be anything more is naive and immature. It's not a scene from a John wuick film. :) And the legalities...that's worse than the "shooting to defend oneself...or the empty hand battle (unlikely on the street)"...heh..
The average person on the street is probably not a trained fighter. Most of the time, my friends who are in the UFC avoid fights. In martial arts we’re taught that we only use our Martial Arts for self defense (unless competing) only. I don’t think the crack head on the street, trying to mug you in an alley way has any training what so ever. If that being the case, I think traditional Kenpo Karate can work if applied and trained correctly. MMA isn’t the standard of “what could work in a street fight.” Saying that, I my self would like to train in other arts just in case.
OK - I lik,e the series. I was also under the impression that Hawaii had a majorty of Huwaii'ans as population with a healthy tourist industry and a presence of American millitary. How is it possible for him to have been discrimnated against by "white people". This is where I stopped listening. BS.
Have you personally been to Hawaii? I have, and there are heavy tourist areas and there are also areas that are not so much. Also, keep in mind he grew up there as a kid and grew up there in the 60's. The Hawaiian streets in the 1960s was a very different time and place, and especially areas like Honolulu had a lot of violence and street fighting. He also wasn't discriminated against "BY" white people, but "AS" a white person.
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He doesnt teach kenpo, he teaches his own blend that is basically kickboxing and defensive wrestling, it's not kenpo of any description.
He teaches Kajukenbo.
He has not an obsessetion with Kempo (unlike the interviewer). He has a universal view of martial arts (MMA). What it works you should learn.
Why do you accuse me of having an obsession with Kempo? John Hackleman heavily markets "Hawaiian Kempo" as his brand and that is what we are talking about here. He teaches Hawaiian Kempo to his fighters for MMA which is the central point of this discussion.
Also "what works" is different for everyone.
I think you should learn how to spell and form a correct sentence. Lol
Okay, if you're not his dad, are you his lover? 😂