I said only buy the bits you need. If you happen to need a starter pack then the Trend ones are great. They do a smaller 12 pack that I linked in the description. If you only need one- try get a single trend bit.
Right?! It's not a bad video, but ruined from this blatant crass attempt to sell something you don't need. Kinda odd they wanted to argue about it too.
And he’s only saying buying quality smaller quantities of what you need vs all the extra. I won’t say that’s a huge bit set to me however, I can they are are great set and collection for a starter kit until you learn
Great video! I wish I had seen this back when I started! One more really important tip is to NOT put the router bit all the way to the bottom of the collet before tightening. Most router collets work by PULLING the bit down into the cone, so if the bit is already at the bottom, there is no place to pull the bit into. Many woodworkers place O-rings on the shaft of the bit to prevent the bit from sitting down (the O-ring touches the TOP of the collet and needs to be placed so that the bottom of the bit's shaft doesn't touch the bottom of the collet. This is, of course, easier to see than describe.
When you buy single router bits for a specific purpose, I've found it helps to buy a set of 3 different sizes of that type of bit. I bought a 1/4" roundover bit but quickly found that I would also need a 1/2" and even a 3/8" roundover depending on the project.
Interesting that. So many folks think burning is about spindle speed, and reducing spindle speed…. When as you pointed out its about fed rate - if its too difficulty to feed faster, reduce the depth of cut and get a finer finish - higher spindle speeds help with this , but they are determined by the cutter diameter.
Glad you liked it! I do try to cut out all unnecessary bits. Sometimes I think it can have a negative effect because you see less ‘me’. But glad you enjoy the style 😁
Spotted your ELU - I bought one as my first router a long time ago and it's still going well. I serviced it myself last year - took it apart and cleaned out all the crud.
Great video thank you, I'm an old(very) woodworker/ restorer but have little experience with the router so this was super duper useful, thanks again keep 'em coming
Ha! I've never burnt wood when routing, nor have I ended up with bearing marks. I've done everything else, though, especially the ending up with a set of eleventy million bits, four of which I use. And I broke one of those. Nice, fairly nostalgic video, for me. It made me wince at some of the memories it brought back. It's lucky I'm perfect now...
Big thing I found out is that regular router the bit is further away from the edge while the small trim ones your pinky finger will reach the bit much easier, good thing it healed pretty good
The one tip on router direction I had heard recently was placing your right hand on the edge of your piece where you intend to cut Where your finger is pointing is the direction you should go. Unfortunately for me I am left handed but still...a good way to remember!
Speed 4 is best !!! Slow and steady … perfect finish …. Slow 1 pass is all you need …. Perfect cut every time …. I do the 6in forward and then I go backwards real low and then I go forward .. and I just follow that process all the way around or side till I’m done … perfect cut every time
The other point I’d add about buying large router bit sets is the cost per bit. If you’re buying a 40 bit set for say £40, you’re only paying a £1 per bit, less the cost of the case etc. At that price you are not getting top quality bits. It’s definitely convenient to have the multi set but I can see that the individual Trend CraftPro bits (£15 each) cut much better than the Trend bit set bits. So buy the bit set to learn what you will use then buy better quality bits but only the ones you need
I lock the collet with an allen key through the hole that the thumb lock uses when tightening before use. I will get drift and a loosened collet nut often enough due to heat building up and metal expanding at different rates. So I disagree with the slight tighten idea. Undoing it just requires reversing the technique. The bit going nowhere is more important than my convenience. Also it surprised me that he didn't mentioning hitting the belt sander after your rough cuts on the band saw so the router bit isn't handling jagged wood that creates tearout.
Fair point, if your router is doing that then makes sense! I don’t find mine to loosen once I’ve tightened it. Good tip regarding the belt sander, thanks for sharing! 🙏
I'd recomend either the Evolution Rage5-S OR the DeWalt. Both I have detailed reviews on. If you want to spend a little less you can use my discount code for the Evolution to get 10% off. If you're looking to really get the most bang for your buck then look for second hand tools.
Hi. Confused you first say that you dat use that many of the bits in the Trend 24 kit so just buy the ones you need. Then there is a breakaway in the vid to say how much you recommend the Trend 24 kit router set ?
Good advise mostly, I have to say the advise given on tightening the bit wasn’t really stating the absolute danger of over tightening, the router bit is held a collet! Over tightening actually defeats the effectiveness of the collect and can actually result in the bit literally coming out of the router your using it, been there did it on,y once as lesson was learned. It would be cool to actually educate especially NEW woodworkers the dynamics ( if that’s the correct word) of the collect to actually educate people. Apart from that I enjoyed the video no one is too clever to learn
I hadn’t considered that as a consequence of over tightening, but thanks for sharing! I don’t claim to be an expert so always happy to hear tips from others 😁
Thanks for replying 👍not being an expert is the issue, whilst there were helpful things in the video which I enjoyed, the collet is split which enables it to hold the bit secure when tightened, over tightening actually closes the collet so that it’s not holding the bit and it’s only pure luck the bit doesn’t fly out which can be a disaster. I mean no offence pointing this out. I’m originally from the UK and in industry all those who use all electric tools are required to pass a test and have a ticket to use them. DIY is a different world just saying sound knowledge should be given to the public.. Regards Trevor@@sumeraybuilds
Great video. Ive been doing this for few years now although routers scare the shit out me. Round overs bevels are really all I've done so far and ill either use block plane or table saw or sander achive the look want. Oh plus dont have decent router either. Can't wait for next video oh and next penny to 1k video!👍🏴
Short, on point, and pretty good tips. My question is. I want to buy a router, for what i plan using it i think a small one would do fine. i do not have the budged for a fancy router and for what i need a small one would do fine. I like this one Yato YT-82390, looks well build for the price, i have alot of experience with tools but i never used a router and i really need one. Where i live i am used to bosh, makita, brands like that, but the prices are more than double compared to this tool. So my question is, if anyone used cheapers routers, that thing wich holds the bit, the collar. I imagine that is one of the most important parts in a router. Does that hold well with time, does it tighten the bit centered?
I've used cheaper routers before and I can't imagine something as crucial as the strength of the collet would be where you notice any difference to the larger brands. With cheaper brands you're generally getting 1) less warranty 2) less assurance in the long term availability of spare parts. I just googled the Yato you mentioned and it looks good to me. I suggest getting some quality bits to go along with it and you'll likley find it's a great bit of kit! Good luck and hope it works out for you!
Thanks for your answer. I've just bought 2 routers, a small one from bosh and a Dexter brand one, wich is a brand of LeroyMerlin chain stores in europe, they made decent tools, i wouldn't say professionals but decent. With a little bit over the price of what that yato was. I also bought few bits wich were too cheap to be real and fourtunately in their stores they have a test bench and i tested the bits and those bits wobble like hell, i tought initially the tool is croocked, but turned out the bits were junk and i just returned those back. I ordered online some makita bits for my purpose. As a fact, the big router was like, i don't know in dolars would be like 45$ and the collet is amaizingly straight i have some high end bits at home wich cost as much as the tool from a friend and tested with that. The tool looks sturdy. I am sure it will not last the abuse of a professional tool but for my purpose to make some window frames would do just fine.@@sumeraybuilds
If you move your router slowly and steady , you do not have to make 3 passes slowly moving the router closer … don’t do that … just go slow and steady … do Not move the router like you seen this fella do …. Wow .. bro
Only a fool would try to take a router onto their final piece without going through a scrap piece making sure it's perfect to start with. Do people really actually do that? No wonder I command such big money.
@@sumeraybuilds you live and most of us learn.. another thing you never want to have with a router is a hoodie sweatshirt with a string hanging down from your neck.
I would politely suggest that you are using the wrong size Router for some of the cuts you were making in this video. Trim routers are named that way for a reason, if you want to do large chamfers or complicated dado's then use a full size router, preferably a 1/2 shank and use larger bits.
If you are just starting out to make videos?. Here's a tip........... *DO NOT* use the annoying CZcams faff of acting up to the camera. It'll turn off anyone whose interested in the topic.
Tools I Use in this video:
Trend 12 Piece Router Cutter Starter Set - amzn.to/47KxyZu
Trend 24 Piece Router Bit Starter Set - amzn.to/46uu5wY
Says buying the 24 bit router set was a waste of money as he only uses 4 of them, then suggests you buy the 24 piece router set.
I said only buy the bits you need. If you happen to need a starter pack then the Trend ones are great. They do a smaller 12 pack that I linked in the description. If you only need one- try get a single trend bit.
Right?! It's not a bad video, but ruined from this blatant crass attempt to sell something you don't need. Kinda odd they wanted to argue about it too.
Bits from Diablo are 40 a piece. It makes sense to buy sets. I’m lucky my grandpa gave all his bits
Your just a idiot bloat.
And he’s only saying buying quality smaller quantities of what you need vs all the extra. I won’t say that’s a huge bit set to me however, I can they are are great set and collection for a starter kit until you learn
Great video! I wish I had seen this back when I started! One more really important tip is to NOT put the router bit all the way to the bottom of the collet before tightening. Most router collets work by PULLING the bit down into the cone, so if the bit is already at the bottom, there is no place to pull the bit into. Many woodworkers place O-rings on the shaft of the bit to prevent the bit from sitting down (the O-ring touches the TOP of the collet and needs to be placed so that the bottom of the bit's shaft doesn't touch the bottom of the collet. This is, of course, easier to see than describe.
Great tip, thanks for sharing!
When you buy single router bits for a specific purpose, I've found it helps to buy a set of 3 different sizes of that type of bit. I bought a 1/4" roundover bit but quickly found that I would also need a 1/2" and even a 3/8" roundover depending on the project.
Good point, thanks for sharing 🙏
Interesting that. So many folks think burning is about spindle speed, and reducing spindle speed…. When as you pointed out its about fed rate - if its too difficulty to feed faster, reduce the depth of cut and get a finer finish - higher spindle speeds help with this , but they are determined by the cutter diameter.
Great tip - thanks! 😁
Thank you for making very useful videos. I absolutely love how you keep them short and to the point. KEEP IT UP.
Glad you liked it! I do try to cut out all unnecessary bits. Sometimes I think it can have a negative effect because you see less ‘me’. But glad you enjoy the style 😁
Spotted your ELU - I bought one as my first router a long time ago and it's still going well. I serviced it myself last year - took it apart and cleaned out all the crud.
It’s very good, that was a car boot find for me!
Great video thank you, I'm an old(very) woodworker/ restorer but have little experience with the router so this was super duper useful, thanks again keep 'em coming
Glad you enjoyed it! Any other tools you’d like to see covered next?
Paul, just practice "slowly" with the Router and you'll get used to it. I was 50 before I used a Router
Probably a going video for the beginner. Nothing here that I learnt but appreciate the content was useful for many.
Glad to hear that!
Amazing, you own as well ,25 years old "ELU" Swiss made router......mine is still in working order...😆
It;s very good, picked it up from a carboot about 1 year ago and it's served me well since!
Great advice thank you!!
No problem 🙏
Thanks for sticky band tip - great idea!
You are so welcome!
@ 5 mins you insert a bit and fail to lift it sightly so the collect tightens on the shaft of the bit
I didn’t realise! Thanks
@@sumeraybuilds You're most welcome
Ha! I've never burnt wood when routing, nor have I ended up with bearing marks.
I've done everything else, though, especially the ending up with a set of eleventy million bits, four of which I use. And I broke one of those.
Nice, fairly nostalgic video, for me. It made me wince at some of the memories it brought back. It's lucky I'm perfect now...
😂😂 congrats on achieving woodworking enlightenment
Nice video. Very informative. Thanks for sharing. Also, Wish You A Very Happy New Year 🎊 2024.
Happy new year! Thanks :D
Thanks for this, just got a router so will bear the tips in mind
Good luck with it! I consider it an essential tool and couldn’t be without it now.
I'm guilty of over-tightening the bits, too. Good tips!
You can only take so many bruised knuckles before you remember this haha 😂
@@sumeraybuilds You would think so, wouldn't you. 😆
Thankyou for your presentation ... Chris ... Norwich, England
Thanks :D
Great tips thank. Watching from the USA
Glad it was helpful!
Dirty router bits will cause burning too.
Great tip, thanks ✌️
Excellent. Thank you.
Thanks :D 🙏
Big thing I found out is that regular router the bit is further away from the edge while the small trim ones your pinky finger will reach the bit much easier, good thing it healed pretty good
Good point! Sounds painful, glad you didn’t get hurt too bad!
Nice video as usual. Thanks. Take care & stay safe.
Thanks, you too! 😁
Excellent video, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
The one tip on router direction I had heard recently was placing your right hand on the edge of your piece where you intend to cut Where your finger is pointing is the direction you should go. Unfortunately for me I am left handed but still...a good way to remember!
That’s actually a genius way to remember! But you’re right it doesn’t accommodate for the lefties out there 😂
Anti clockwise around the outside of the cut, clockwise round the inside of a cut like a hole, or cut out.
Did the multi level cut, 5 levels on only 20mm (circular cutting along and across the grain). It did rip off a piece of wood - so no guarantee
That's a shame! You're right though, ever when doing everything 'perfectly' you can never totally prevent these things.
rout clockwise in the inside of a template rout counter clockwise outside the template 😀
Good tip!
Great video! How do you know that EVERY new woodworker makes these mistakes? Should it not be SOME?
In all honestly you're right! 😂
These small ones we called trimmers, used for trimming laminates and edging soft and medium woods👍
Thanks :)
Speed 4 is best !!! Slow and steady … perfect finish …. Slow 1 pass is all you need …. Perfect cut every time …. I do the 6in forward and then I go backwards real low and then I go forward .. and I just follow that process all the way around or side till I’m done … perfect cut every time
Good tips thanks!
The other point I’d add about buying large router bit sets is the cost per bit. If you’re buying a 40 bit set for say £40, you’re only paying a £1 per bit, less the cost of the case etc. At that price you are not getting top quality bits. It’s definitely convenient to have the multi set but I can see that the individual Trend CraftPro bits (£15 each) cut much better than the Trend bit set bits. So buy the bit set to learn what you will use then buy better quality bits but only the ones you need
Great point! Thanks 🙏
I lock the collet with an allen key through the hole that the thumb lock uses when tightening before use. I will get drift and a loosened collet nut often enough due to heat building up and metal expanding at different rates. So I disagree with the slight tighten idea. Undoing it just requires reversing the technique. The bit going nowhere is more important than my convenience.
Also it surprised me that he didn't mentioning hitting the belt sander after your rough cuts on the band saw so the router bit isn't handling jagged wood that creates tearout.
Fair point, if your router is doing that then makes sense! I don’t find mine to loosen once I’ve tightened it. Good tip regarding the belt sander, thanks for sharing! 🙏
Very useful information, you've got a new subscriber :)
Thanks! Welcome aboard!
Hi, I was wondering what tablesaw you use in your videos as I'm looking to buy one.
I'd recomend either the Evolution Rage5-S OR the DeWalt. Both I have detailed reviews on. If you want to spend a little less you can use my discount code for the Evolution to get 10% off. If you're looking to really get the most bang for your buck then look for second hand tools.
Ha, I just bought a 15 bit Trend set. It was a steal at €14,95.
Nice! That is a bargain!
Hi. Confused you first say that you dat use that many of the bits in the Trend 24 kit so just buy the ones you need. Then there is a breakaway in the vid to say how much you recommend the Trend 24 kit router set ?
I was more recommending Trend as a brand. They do a smaller 12 set which is good for beginners to
Good advise mostly, I have to say the advise given on tightening the bit wasn’t really stating the absolute danger of over tightening, the router bit is held a collet! Over tightening actually defeats the effectiveness of the collect and can actually result in the bit literally coming out of the router your using it, been there did it on,y once as lesson was learned. It would be cool to actually educate especially NEW woodworkers the dynamics ( if that’s the correct word) of the collect to actually educate people.
Apart from that I enjoyed the video no one is too clever to learn
I hadn’t considered that as a consequence of over tightening, but thanks for sharing! I don’t claim to be an expert so always happy to hear tips from others 😁
Thanks for replying 👍not being an expert is the issue, whilst there were helpful things in the video which I enjoyed, the collet is split which enables it to hold the bit secure when tightened, over tightening actually closes the collet so that it’s not holding the bit and it’s only pure luck the bit doesn’t fly out which can be a disaster. I mean no offence pointing this out. I’m originally from the UK and in industry all those who use all electric tools are required to pass a test and have a ticket to use them. DIY is a different world just saying sound knowledge should be given to the public..
Regards Trevor@@sumeraybuilds
Great video. Ive been doing this for few years now although routers scare the shit out me. Round overs bevels are really all I've done so far and ill either use block plane or table saw or sander achive the look want. Oh plus dont have decent router either. Can't wait for next video oh and next penny to 1k video!👍🏴
Haha I’m working on it, it’s very cold out atm!
@@sumeraybuilds tell me about it we've had -5 nights last 4 nights and not much above 3 during day.
Short, on point, and pretty good tips.
My question is.
I want to buy a router, for what i plan using it i think a small one would do fine.
i do not have the budged for a fancy router and for what i need a small one would do fine.
I like this one Yato YT-82390, looks well build for the price, i have alot of experience with tools but i never used a router and i really need one.
Where i live i am used to bosh, makita, brands like that, but the prices are more than double compared to this tool.
So my question is, if anyone used cheapers routers, that thing wich holds the bit, the collar. I imagine that is one of the most important parts in a router. Does that hold well with time, does it tighten the bit centered?
I've used cheaper routers before and I can't imagine something as crucial as the strength of the collet would be where you notice any difference to the larger brands. With cheaper brands you're generally getting 1) less warranty 2) less assurance in the long term availability of spare parts. I just googled the Yato you mentioned and it looks good to me. I suggest getting some quality bits to go along with it and you'll likley find it's a great bit of kit! Good luck and hope it works out for you!
Thanks for your answer.
I've just bought 2 routers, a small one from bosh and a Dexter brand one, wich is a brand of LeroyMerlin chain stores in europe, they made decent tools, i wouldn't say professionals but decent. With a little bit over the price of what that yato was.
I also bought few bits wich were too cheap to be real and fourtunately in their stores they have a test bench and i tested the bits and those bits wobble like hell, i tought initially the tool is croocked, but turned out the bits were junk and i just returned those back. I ordered online some makita bits for my purpose.
As a fact, the big router was like, i don't know in dolars would be like 45$ and the collet is amaizingly straight i have some high end bits at home wich cost as much as the tool from a friend and tested with that. The tool looks sturdy.
I am sure it will not last the abuse of a professional tool but for my purpose to make some window frames would do just fine.@@sumeraybuilds
When routing MDF it doesn't really matter which direction you go. It's all the same
Good tip, thanks!
9 out of 10 of my router bits have a 1/2 inch shaft. The larger the shaft, the better the cut.
I hadn’t heard this tip, thanks for sharing!
nooice!
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Good vids on your channel Jack 👏 A thousand pounds out of a penny? Count me in 🤣
Thanks so much! Glad you’re in!
@@sumeraybuilds😂
Diagonal bit? Nobody ever called it that.
😂
Going against the grain .. is a no , no 😂😂😂😂 been there 😂😂😂😂😂
Haha! Hopefully this will make newer woodworkers avoid this mistake!
If you move your router slowly and steady , you do not have to make 3 passes slowly moving the router closer … don’t do that … just go slow and steady … do Not move the router like you seen this fella do …. Wow .. bro
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Only a fool would try to take a router onto their final piece without going through a scrap piece making sure it's perfect to start with. Do people really actually do that? No wonder I command such big money.
I was certainly once that fool! 😂 Now I wouldn't dream of doing it!
@@sumeraybuilds you live and most of us learn.. another thing you never want to have with a router is a hoodie sweatshirt with a string hanging down from your neck.
I would politely suggest that you are using the wrong size Router for some of the cuts you were making in this video. Trim routers are named that way for a reason, if you want to do large chamfers or complicated dado's then use a full size router, preferably a 1/2 shank and use larger bits.
I probably am! Very much still learning, thanks 🙏
.... stop running a clip at 300% speed and saying "oh im making 335 errors in this clip, do you know what they are?" .... scrub.
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Why did you take 30 seconds begin what your trying to teach
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If you are just starting out to make videos?.
Here's a tip........... *DO NOT* use the annoying CZcams faff of acting up to the camera. It'll turn off anyone whose interested in the topic.
Merry Christmas you happy dude 🎄
I'm sure he's going to take advice from a channel with 5 subs in 7 years! Keep going on your journey and merry Christmas!
Another video telling us that we are wrong again!
How smug of you.
😂😂 There's more to come too!
@@sumeraybuilds So many down-thumbs to award!
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@@sumeraybuilds 😅