How BAD Is Marvin Bagley Actually?
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- čas přidán 15. 12. 2023
- Marvin Bagley was not so long ago one of the best highschool talents in history. After creating some of the greatest hoop tapes online, dominating the college level, and getting drafted before Luka Doncic, why is Marvin Bagley now seemingly forgotten about?
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Anthony Bennett
O hold up you know what would be even better?
Dante Exum - from his hype to busting in the NBA to the comeback currently in process I really hope he sticks around
Mikki Moore please
Draymond
Dante Exum would be fire - the rise and fall and rise again
The thing about him is he hasn’t necessarily gotten worse he’s just been stagnant for the past 5 years he’s still stuck at his rookie year
I forgot he was still in the NBA
He’s 100% gotten worse what do you mean? lol. Have you watched any of his games with the pistons? If he doesn’t get more touches than Cade he just straight checks out, his defensive abilities, instincts and effort are always non existent. This dude is a walking waste of space who should have been cut a LONG time ago. Not resigned for 13 mill a year to be a god awful back up. But what should we expect with a dipshit ass gm in Troy weaver. Bottom line bagley sucks and has gotten worse every single year
This is actually so accurate. I mean even watching these highlights you can tell his skill is very raw! I don’t understand why his development stagnated but I think his NBA journey makes sense for it.
Kudos to the kings, they took a beating by drafting him over Luka, trading Tyrese and they still looking like a great team
I don't see how we "took a beating" by trading Tyrese but alright
It was considered an odd trade in the moment when it happened even while they were going to get sabonis in return @@delz5863
Maybe I misspoke but trading haliburton hurts regardless idk. I’m just wondering if trading fox would’ve been the smarter move I feel like haliburton has future MVP potential
@@delz5863because he is a better player than anyone on your team RN
@@lesego2018they got bashed for trading tyrese is what he means
Drafting this dude over Luka has to be one of the dumbest things a franchise did in a long time, Divac was a horrible GM. Glad to see Kings managed to overcome it and are actually good right now
They’ve been hitting on some of their recent draft picks and getting Malik Monk was genius.
The last 8 years they've been pretty good at drafting guards so it's really not that big of a deal. Haliburton, Fox and Isaiah Thomas have all been allstar caliber guards. Idk people are so worried about how other franchises conduct their business
Hindsight is 20/20 not many people seen this uprising of Luka remember Ayton and Trae Young were said to be the best players in that draft. I know you guys think this but these experts are not psychics they've gotten it wrong quiet a few times throughout drafting history remember the Twolves passed up Curry.
Tbh r recent draft picks have been on point. Murray just dropped 47 on 80% on 3
@@Reese1882yw lol. Hindsight, like foresight, is 20/20 in this case. Nobody intelligent thought Bagley was better than Luka; anybody intelligent saw the MASSIVE red flags around Ayton (incredible athlete who isn't great at basketball? No problem!) Everybody who doubted Luka were the morons who didn't watch him; excusableb for viewers, but paid analysts? GMs (scouts)?!? Inexcusable.
The similiarity between Bagley and Wiseman is almost uncanny. Both 2nd picks in the draft who just when they were playing well got derailed by injuries in their rookie season. Both are low basketball IQ bastketball players with elite athleticism that should have been better defensive players. And now they are both playing for Detroit after the teams that drafted them finally gave up on them. Sometimes the universe has a wicked sense of humor.
I would argue bagley is the better player
@@theamazingyoungguy5572no question lol. Wiseman has more potential tho
Lol it's crazy that they average less than 20 mins a game, but their Per 36 stats would have them as 20-10 guys lol. So if they just got more plying time, would they be better?
I think the way the US system works is terrible for talent development, only good for marketing kids as superstars from a very young age. I swear if bagley and wiseman played in Europe they would be way smarter players. If you are more athletic than other players of your age it’s very easy to just rely on your athleticism and not develop any sort of basketball iq or good habits. In Europe talented young players routinely play against much older competition, which keeps their ego in check and forces them to develop as basketball players. Bagley had just never experienced not being the best player on his team until reaching the nba, and then he just hits a wall and doesn’t know what to do because he has never experienced this before. This is why I knew luka was going to be better than everybody else in the draft: he was an 18 year old winning euro league mvp against professional basketball players in the second best league in the world, not college
@@joaobrito2653also chemistry you have to have players with your mindset and type of personality you can vibe with 🎉
His father definitely didn’t help matters. He demanded a trade on social media when his son was on the Kings. He got what he asked for, and was traded to the 17-65 Pistons. Meanwhile, the Kings became a playoff team and a championship contender.
Explains whats wrong with the current generation of anything really.. Stick to your game, train, keep healthy, avoid social media, avoid politics and keep your family quiet.
I used to work at G1C during games, and the year after Bagley was traded we played the pistons at home, and his dad came storming thru security cussing out anyone who tried to stop him😂😂 shit was wild
His dad a clown
Players like Bagley never really pan out. It’s like Jordan Bell and Derrick Williams. Their athleticism carry’s them through high school and college but just isn’t enough in the league
Yeah that’s true but Jordan bell had heart and a motor which is why he was apart of that championship warriors team . Jordan actually lacked other skills , Marvin just seems lazy and I’m actually a fan of his . If he was anything like Kenneth faried mentally he’ll be looked at as a generational talent . But instead we on the other end of the spectrum. The detroit pistons have a team full of #1 overall picks and still suck … it’s the mindset not the coaches
@@lilsmokeyy_93lol Pistons have Bagley AND Wiseman but neither start or even average more than 20 mins a game e
Now all the Pistons need is Zion and Ben S. I could imagine a team full of #1 and #2 draft busts on one team.
As a Kings fan I’ve been waiting for this one. Injuries were a huge issue for him, could have been a lot better, but even an ultimate ceiling of Amare Stoudamire pales in comparison to Luka, and even then, we didn’t even get him to be a solid role player (but we did get Trey Lyles for him so who’s the real winner 😤)
Injuries yeah, sure. But it was summed up when he called him a low IQ defender, black hole on offense, not shooting the 3 worth a damn, and just never even attempting to learn how to use his right hand. All that just sums it right up!
Can't forget he focused more on his music career than working on his basketball skills, no right hand til year 3 and getting bodied by Mo Wagner in the California Classic. Holy crap has this team come a long way since then.
The Kings also got Kessler Edwards for the trade exception from the Bagley trade
Trey lyles for Luka, fox over haliburton was inexcusable, trading cousins for unproven buddy heild but that's going back
Marvin is the best example of what is wrong with NBA scouts. They are out of touch with modern NBA game.
The game changes constantly but the scouting doesn't keep up
Too much emphasis on measurements instead of skill, IQ, determination, and other intangibles.
No the scouts are fine. It's just hard to predict who is going to be great and develop.
@@user-vj2ng5el9rup side untapped potential and “raw talent” a bunch of what if BS now
@@theman9048stop predicting and look and see use eyes 👀
It was Vivek and Assistant GM Brandon Williams (probably wanted to live vicariously thru Bags) that wanted Bagley. Vlade was the fall guy and Dave wanted Luka. Overall shitshow of GM staff they had and now it's been fixed.
He’s always two steps slow on defense. In a league where half a step kills your entire defense, two steps is unrecoverable. I don’t even know how to fix that - because it’s awareness AND effort.
Good stuff man, keep doing you!
Bagley is a 20 10 guy if he plays 35 minutes a game, but his defense is so bad it’s not worth the headache.
He CAN defend tho. There have been stretches where he tried and was solid or better on defense. He just doesn't try.
About to binge your content, brotha
Not the worst player I've ever seen but still a massive bust for the #2 spot
This video details how his fall was almost predetermined. He was THE guy from age 13. There are maybe 4 or 5 of them at NBA level and Bagley's style of play is a bit of a weird fit in today's NBA because he's not strong enough to play the 5, he can't stretch the floor to play the 4, he's a black hole on offense and he's horrendous on defense. Then there's the NBA schedule and injuries. At this point his best bet is to be a budget Obi Toppin if he wants to stick around. If a big isn't elite at something to build his game around he's more than likely going to be a bust.
U hit it right on the dot. He never worked on his game. Thats why he stayed where he is at rn.
Fr a jack of all trades doesn’t work anymore unless you are elite at one trade and a jack on the others.
So here’s a pol pot quote: jack the pot and you are going to strike
I AGREE, not strong enough to be center, can't hit the 3 to be a 4. He is more of a classic PF....he is a 4/5, closer to 4. But his lack of success is due more to the franchises he's landed on, NOT his game. He just went 10/12 it's not his fault Pistons on a 25 game losing streak. They would have the losing streak with or without him.
The first chat with a group of people who know what they are talking about. Normally, one idiot in the chat, but not this one. Not yet! 😂😂😂
Shoutout to you for calling out the “CZcams clickbait” epidemic. I’m so sick of people piecing together a 2 minute highlight clip of a clear bust and saying they are “reviving” their career
He's a bust compared to expectations. As a backup big - 14/7 isn't bad. If he had been a late first round pick, and not surrounded by all-stars in the lottery, we wouldn't be having this discussion. As the guy drafted before Luka? Ouch!
Do fucking not try to say he’s not a bust bc he puts up garbage numbers on a shit team
A lot of people like to trash the Kings for drafting Bagley over Luka. Obviously in hindsight, it will be remembered as one of the worst draft decisions in history, but I'm glad you pointed out that, at the time, this move made a lot of sense for Sacramento. If you think about it, this was their first attempt at creating the Sabonis/Fox duo that eventually led them to the 3rd seed. This was the safe and seemingly correct choice at the time. But this was all ruined due to injury, lack of basketball IQ, and what seemed like a unwillingness to work on his flaws.
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I was at G1 Center for the draft party, talked with a good amount of other fans and we all agreed that Bagley was unbelievably athletic but the dude was also unbelievably one dimensional and was more of a project than a sure thing if you watched him in college, the scouts were comparing him to KG & Amar'e Stoudemire. The Kings were also the laughing stock of the west at the time with how many coaching changes and front office changes in the wake of new ownership in the span of 5 years. I believe Bagley was the only top prospect that actually worked out for the Kings during the draft process and Luka only met Vlade but in Europe, everyone else like JJJ declined a workout with the Kings.
At the Time I new this was a bad pick. They needed a wing too. Fox is more a scorer so him and Luka made sense to me. I always felt Bagley was going to be a bust
It was a Fox or Luka question. Two young PG that needed the ball in their hand and not waste 2-3yr if God development while they "figure it out" and eventually trade one. If you were adamant that Fox was going to be this guy he is now, it made sense to not take the ball dominant PG. And no GM knew Luka as well personally as Divac which made this worse.
@@theman9048 Luka is just as much a scorer as fox wth
Bagley shows there's more to being a good ball player than jumping high and being "springy." AAU ball is ruining young prospects by focusing on highlight ball instead of fundamentals. Don't get me wrong, I love a strong, thundering dunk but if that's all you can really do, then you're extremely limited
People saying the Kings messed up picking him over Luka when he publicly said he didn’t want to play for Sacramento pre draft. Kings needed size not another guard to take the ball out of Foxs hands
He just got traded I'm still holding the faith on him
Wait wait wait, I thought he blamed all his struggles on the kings? His dad said once he leaves Sac he would blossom??? Ok, one more Jaden Ivey did not want to come to Sac because of our losing culture, as the pistons now sit at 23 straight losses 😬
I think there have been a lot of players over the years that just wanted to be Drafted and get a Bonus and an NBA contract and that was enough for them. Meaning they weren't motivated to be great. Bagley seems to be one of those guys.
Preface saying I'm a Kings fan and grew up in Sacramento. To this day I get what they were trying to do by drafting Bagley ... Potential pick and role with Fox and a big man that could run with him on fast breaks. Also it's not like Bagley was a reach he was slated to be a top 3 pick in all mock drafts.
There are two things that I believe effected his development which were touched in here ... First the obvious one injuries. The second was going with Walton as a couch. I never liked the move and even less with the offensive "System" Walton employed. You had one of the fastest guards in the NBA with a athletic big man and you slow the pace down ... Yeah recipe for disaster. Also Walton packed the ability to develop players.
Bagley in my eyes is a result of the current system when I comes to basketball, the lack of coaching fundamentals...a large percentage of coaches from highschool to college seem like they don't take the time to teach a player the basics when they are extremely athletic, how many players have we seen come in ultra athletic but lacking the basic skills they should of established early in their play.
All facts fam not a king's fan but my brother spent time in Sacramento and became a fan and I said from the beginning that hiring Walton was a terrible move and yes skill development is a huge issue in the youth game here today in the states so many of these players are just focused on the flashy stuff that will generate highlights and neglect the fundamentals but it's fundamentals that keep you in the league
Hey great video, he had a bunch of hype coming into the nba and someone who had a similar amount of hype was Michael Beasley as well. Could you do Michael Beasley?
Yeah - Michael Beasley follows a similar path from franchise savior to career role player to overseas baller after generational hype. I'd watch that video.
This athletic prospects, they can dominate high-schoolers but when NBA competition comes in they can look silly and the silliest thing is that they had arguably the most decorated international prospect of all time in Luka Doncic to draft. That's an all-time fumble. If was a Kings fan I wouldn't recover from that.
I'm a kings fan and I haven't recovered from it
Well, at least the Kings draft of Keegan Murray over Jaden Ivey is looking good. They took lots of heat on that one. I always wondered if Doncic and Fox could’ve played together. Both need the ball to be effective.
Keegan Murray
Facts I have always said based on what we saw with doncic and Dennis Smith a fox and doncic 0airing would have never worked
As a Kings fan I wanted them to draft Luka sooooo bad. I was extremely disappointed when they drafted Bagley cuz everything about him was just a red flag compared to Luka
By this time they already had fox the king's did not need luka
I met M bag in 2019 , good kid
Bagley and his team at Sierra Canyon practically destroyed my HS’s team. I thought he had potential, but I guess he hasn’t developed it.
Scouts see 6’10 plus guys with even a slight handle and average jump shot in college and they go crazy. Then they end up with guys like this ... and Ben Simmons… dragan bender. LMAO that’s a reach but you get the point. They totally overlook intangibles, work ethic, even defence ability In some cases.
Nah he's my BOY in mycareer 🤣😭😭😭
I still can’t believe the kings drafted him instead of Luka or even TY. Unbelievable.
Bro already won in life. He’s a multimillionaire
Pistons have him AND James Wiseman but neither them are starting and dont even get more than 20 mins a game
He's pre James Wiseman.
Marvin Bagley became Marvin BagofChips. His mentality is the problem, he became stagnant.
Will still put up a career high against the lakers
I'm hoping NIL convinces players like him to stay in school atleast one more year. If you need to still develop as a basketball player, the NBA is obviously a tough league to do it in.
But in Bagley’s case he was one and done talent look at the numbers. Also im sure coach k wouldn’t have wanted him to stay it was time to be a pro
With how the 2018 draft is panning out, the Suns and Kings will take heat for a while for taking Ayton and Bagley over guys like Luka, JJJ, Trae, MPJ, etc. Even still, trading Ayton got them Bradley Beal. Bagley, like many players, struggled to translate his game to the NBA and now is on the brink of being out of the league while the players I’ve mentioned earlier are all playing at high levels.
Ayton helped the Suns get to the finals
@@DMalltheway He did help them, but at the end of the day he couldn’t stop Giannis. You ain’t wrong though.
Ayton gets a pass but Bagley is 100% a bust.
The Suns look like crap, lots of injures so far but I’m wondering if this 3 headed monster will work, on paper it looks great.
@@theman9048Ayton is a bust too, he cares more about video games than his craft.
This take is TERRIBLE!!! Bagley is NOT a bust. He just went 10/12....Bagley is a bucket, and is unstoppable offensively.
The REAL BUST is the Detroit Pistons and the Sac Kings prior to Coach Brown Era. ..... Those things are NOT Bagley fault....he just had bad luck with team selection.
He was traded to Wash, and he is going nuts.
I always wondered why nobody talked about him
How you gonna pass on Luka? Imagine Luka and Fox in the Backcourt, with Monk coming off the bench. Straight 🔥. So many #2 picks have ended up looking horrible over the years.
That would mean contention
Honestly I feel like this was the straw that broke the Kings’ back, and while trading Hali hurt I’m glad the Kings finally realized that draft picks just aren’t gonna get you into the playoffs without some solid trades.
Bagley should sign with either the 76ers or the magic for the minimum. He’s still can hoop.
Bagley still shows all those tools that made him an elite prospect. His athleticism is absurd. Its like he basically stopped progressing since duke
He looks like the bomb for the Pistons this season. I take a chance on him.
Guys going to be a star, IMO. No cap.
Injuries & lack of confidence while also not knowing his real role his entire career is what’s the clear problem with him, as well as people like James Wiseman.
Back to the fields boy
Right now, there are just the same amount of Marvin Bagleys in the world, as the Pistons have wins…
When I saw him play La Lumiere in high school against Brian Bowen, Jaren Jackson Jr, and Jordan Poole (guys who have all made it to the league), there was no way that Bagley wasn’t the best player. Crazy how their careers turned out with only two of them panning out at the NBA level.
Apparently Marvin hasn’t added to his bag
He balling out now 👀
He’s putting up big numbers on a bad team, he’s like a looter in a riot ( shout out to Kenny Smith)
After watching him in HS there is no way we should be having this conversation but here we are.
Is he still into music? His love for music exceeded his thrive to improve in basketball.
As a kings fan, I’m here for this
I ain’t gonna lie I thought he was a hybrid Chris Bosh
How good is Marvin bagley is the next video u should make
Who invented this "How good/bad actually" youtube trend? Lot of content titled the same but different channel.
When you think about it, as ridiculous as the Kings have been as a franchise, the one thing they have had going all the way back to the Divac playing days was big men with saavy and high passing IQs. Divac, Webber, Miller, Cousins, and now Sabonis. And then in the middle of that, they went and drafted the anti of all that. An athlete with no BB IQ at all. And it worked out about how you might expect. Taking this guy over Luka, Trae, and Shai was the unforgiveable sin though. Then again, I remember them once taking Thomas Robinson over Lillard, and Fredette over Klay and Kawhi, so drafting is a huge part of why they just stayed bad forever for so long.
The hawks had the 3rd pick and traded down on draft day
damn he was that good i never knew
9:33 luka was in a tier of his own in that draft class. Its not even close.
You should have made the "cooler" pub
NBA scouts thought Bagley was a TOP 3 Rookie player . They also thought Keegan Murray was like a ehh and Jayden Ivey was the next Ja Morant . That was going put the Pistons into the playoffs .
Fast forward a year Pistons now hold the nba record for the longest losing streak and even have Bagley and Jayden Ivey .
On top of that they bashed Sacramento the entire time and it took them till the end of the year to actually start acknowledging them a little bit .
Scoot video when
Mavs didn’t even draft luka. That’s how many people passed on him
Č & Ć in Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian players is pronaunced like it's written CH.
Like PopoviCH, his real surname is PopoviĆ
So read it as Luka Donchich, Bojan Bogdanovich etc
Marvin bagley could potentially be Amare stoudemire type player 7ft tall with skills
Things not doing well for him. At this point he will be remembered as the player drafted before luka. 😢
I'm from Sacramento so I'm beyond familiar with his story. He's a complete bust but he's made over 50 million and gets to live out his dream.
He's deleted all his social media for his own sanity but he's made it and accomplished something 0.1% of the population never will. Props to him.
Got drafted before Luka. Huge blunder.
Marvin Bustley
Luka Donkitch 👀
As a kings fan who actually watched the games, this guy was truly cheeks. Defensively he got ate up, had no post moves, and couldn’t do much but jump higher than others. Vlade played us by drafting him. We had fox so I see why we passed on Luka but Bayley was not it
Bagley never learned to play basketball simple as that. Hes athletic but has no feel for game.
I have no idea why the Kings fired Joerger, they had their best season in years with him & almost made the playoffs. But since his rookie season he regressed & yes he doesn’t like to pass the ball
Great players with high basketball IQ but below average athleticism: Luka, Jokic, Haliburton....
Great players with elite athleticism but low basketball IQ: ???...anybody???
Russel Westbrook
@@deathbysnusnu7546ooh good answer
I been watching a lot of your videos on and I keep wondering how this could happen again and again to top NBA prospects? From college on, as a talented player, don't you have an army of training and coaching staff shadowing your every turn and move? Is it first and foremost not the staff's fault to mess up a talent? If you manage to get into the NBA, you're one of the best and if your mind set is right, staff around should be able to mend gaming deficiencies, I guess…
What in the hell does the King's decision to draft Bagley instead of Luca have to with Bagley's career? No one can guarantee that any player will have a stellar career in the future. I noticed that the narrator deliberately minimized the significance of the positive things Bagley accomplished during his rookie season. He also went out of his way to minimize the significance of how injuries have slowed down Marvin's progress as a pro. Doe's any other person smell a white skunk trying to hit a potential phenomenon of African descent with some Haterade funk?
Man my expectations for him was AD lite boy was I wrong
Im glad we got trey lyles for him
He needs to go to the warriors trade Klay Thompson and Kuminga for Marvin bagley and see how you can get Karl Anthony towns
Starvin' Marvin Trashley.
He asked to be traded from the one team committed to helping him succeed. He deserve everything happening to him now 🔦🟣
They did have a terrible coach tho like let’s be real here
The Heat can fix him.
Seems like Jahlil Okafor all over again. Strange how they were both Duke one and done bigs.
It's a " ...muy fallo " according to the Naka chronicles.
This will be Ayton
Every draft we see someone is a generational talent. As far as I’m concerned LeBron is the only player in the category. And the world itself has lost all meaning.
Just glad he's outta Sacramento.
The new Michael Beasley
The Kings fucked by passing on Luka to take him. It was a bad pick from the word "go".
Hey, he’s still a dope ass rapper lol. No cap
Dude has generational money by being athletic and 6’10 granted he still worked hard for it seen plenty of tall dudes who are utter trash and can’t play and only play literally being tall 😂
Sometimes it feels like some guys goal was to get drafted. He had the physical makeup to be the next Chris Bosh. Real shame. To be fair to him, he was drafted to an organization that has probably the worst history of developing their young talent. Sacramento draft picks never get developed past the player they came in as. Tyreke Evans came in a borderline All-Star and never got past that. Teams learned how to guard him and the team never helped him get better. I think thats the case with Fox. Hes worked himself past that peak, but I have almost no doubt the organization did little to develop him properly. Think about how long Sacramento has been in the lottery, and think about how many players out of all those top picks have become anything worth more than a few years in the league. Cousins, Fox and thats about it. Every one of their picks that did succeed did it after their tenure in Sacramento. Whiteside, Thomas....hell you could go back to guys like Turkoglu, Gerald Wallace and see there was a trend. Much more times than not, a player who gets drafted to Sacramento either sinks till they dump him, or when they are dumped are saved by another organization only with a few years of development wasted. The worst thing you can do as a NBA player is get drafted by Sacramento. Obviously, it falls on the players too. But when that many draft picks miss, and that many players leave to mould out NBA careers on different teams, you have to look at the common factor....Sacramento is a graveyard of NBA talent wasted. I think other organizations are like that too. Charlotte, the Warriors before they got bought out and changed everything about their organization did they see some actual consistent development out of their top picks (except the trend seems to be working its way back with Wiseman and Kuminga), I think New York fits that lack of development trend and others. The best places to go are obviously San Antonio, OKC, I think Toronto is on the fringes of that list, and Miami. I think if youre talented Boston is a great spot too. If youre not talented from the jump though, Boston tends to not play its younger players, regardless of whoes coaching them. You gotta work hard to make the roster in Boston, but that might be because theyve spent the better part of almost 2 decades now competing at playoff levels. Regardless, Sacramento sucks. If youre an NBA prospect, avoid being drafted there, they ruin NBA careers imo.
A bit too lengthy don't you think
@@terrenceliburd8655 The lovely option on youtube is you can write as little or as much as you want. And anyone who wants to read it can, and anyone who doesnt.....doesnt! Wonderful right?
If this were say.....the late 90's/early 00's Bagley probably would have had a career like Amare Stoudemire. Theyre basically the same player.
But of course he plays today and cant hit 3's and isnt a good defender so......
These guys could have had Luca, De’Aaron and Tyrese all on the team in a perfect world man.if no trades ever happened and if they drafted Luca smh crazy . Still great now but damn think about that lol