Six Proofs of a Pre Wrath Rapture - 4K DVD Version
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- David Rosenthal gives evidence of a rapture position that may surprise you. He systematically explores Matthew 24 and the 7 Seals of Revelation. He then gives evidences and a Scriptural basis for select events tied to the return of Jesus in, "6 Proofs of a Pre-Wrath Rapture." Leave your comments below and subscribe to our channel!
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When the church finds itself in the middle of the tribulation, it will cause a great falling away as Christians will say I did not sign up for this!
The apostasy has already begun, few actually know what is written in the scriptures, only what the church teaches.
The tribulation is for ISRAEL and the unbelieving Gentile nations. Not the Church.
@@HarpsDad22 The Antichrist during the Great Tribulation will persecute all Christians.
When I was born again back in 1981, I was introduced to the pre-tribulation rapture as if it was absolute truth. Not knowing the Bible, I believed what I was taught. As I grew in the Word, I learned there were other views - but believed that the most popular view must be the right one - I also didn't think it was very important and certainly not critical to one's salvation. Then in 2013 I desided to study this topic for myself and commited to only examining the scriptures (vs commentaies, books, articles or videos) and prayed to the Father to lead me to the truth via the Holy Spirit. After several weeks of studying the prophetic scriptures I came to the reality that the scriptures teach a PRE-WRATH rapture. It was only after coming to this truth that I then began to discover pastors and Bible teachers who also hold to the Pre-Wrath rapture - many who also previously held to the Pre-trib rapture.
Glad you arrived at the truth. I no longer am a pre tribber. I'm convinced of a pre wrath rapture.
John Nelson Darby came up with the pre trib rapture in 1830. You can even look it up. It's history. It seems that many believers who hold to the pre trib rapture either just take what they're taught as absolute truth like you mentioned, or don't want to dig deeper bc pre trib rapture suits them better bc they want outta here before things get really bad. It wld be great if a pre trib rapture was true, but the teaching in this video & others I've listened to on Pre Wrath rapture make more sense regarding scripture. 🩷🧡💛💚💙🩵💜🤎
Bible does not teach pre wrath rapture....
Did you research and find that NONE of the church fathers teached Pre Trib Rapture? This has only been taught for the past 150 years. READ YOUR BIBLE
@@marymcmullen5644Reread scripture and pray for truth to be revealed. When I did that, God revealed much to me.
I am recently saved and have absolutely been consuming all content I can regarding the Bible and i've been reading it vigorously as well. However, I've been really struggling with the post, mid and pre-tribulation rupture. Because each one of them I found scripture that did sit well with me in regards to complicating them. However, this is the first I've heard of a pre wrath rupture and I've listened to this sermon 3 times already today. Aswell, gone through my Bible and it seems to fit the best in my mind. I will continue to study and pray on the matter but I'm very happy Ifound this sermon.
Listen to the late Robert Van Kampen. He offers a very compelling argument as well for a pre wrath rapture.
@@ObeyJesusOurLord thank you!
Keep reading your Bible, the answers are there. Falling away is not necessarily the "rapture". Apostasy is not rapture.
Look brother, people want you to think one is heresy or something over the other
The truth is, if it's pre trib and you aren't lukewarm, you will rapture.
If it's mid trib/pre wrath, you will die for your faith or rapture before God's wrath
Either of those is correct and both positions are extremely tough to debate.
There will be a falling away of the church(is it because persecution?)
Many will be deceived
I believe in pre trib, but am ready to endure mid trib and post trib. Just be ready for anything. People who are 100% set on the pretrib might be thinking 'I won't be here' and if it doesn't come to pass, they might be the ones who lose faith.
Thank you! It's so encouraging to see such an exegetical reading of revelation. My studies of the Olivet discourse and the letters to the Thessalonians and my reading of some parts of Revelation, guided by the Holy Spirit, of course, brought me to a pre-wrath rapture understanding, but your exposition has provided nuggets of context that fill in the pieces that were hazy for me. Bless you. I'm very encouraged, and I'm happily amazed by the magnificent unity of the truth of Scripture! Praise God! Maranatha!
Have been following for 15 years. This is without a doubt the clearest, most comprehensive presentation of the whole phenomenon I have heard. Thank you for myself and any and all who hear.
I’m just curious, in your 15 years of researching the controversy for the timing of the Rapture of God’s true believers at the end of the age, who are the Biblical teachers that you have either read or listened too, who gave their reasons and referenced the Scriptural texts for why & what they believe, supported a pre-tribulation Rapture?
In other words, like in a trial court, where the members of the jury, listen to the evidence presented for both sides of a controversy, before coming to a conclusion. Personally speaking, I can’t say that I know for sure when the rapture will take place, but I have spent some considerable time, researching all 3 sides of the argument, and not that I had a prejudice for believing one over the other, I just truly wanted to know which one seemed to have the most Biblical support.
But a lot of people don’t do that , and just follow an emotional path,that’s completely independent of requiring any statistical data, or facts. And won’t change their mind even if the facts don’t support what they believe.
But what little this man mentioned for what he believed about pre-tribulation rapture believers, wasn’t accurate, and evidently he hasn’t informed himself about much, if any of the reasons for why so many people believe in a pre-tribulation rapture.
And maybe because he didn’t think it was necessary to know, because his Father had already come to a factual conclusion.
@@garywilson7992Matthew 24:29-31
[29]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
SO THE ELECT ARE GATHERED AFTER THE TRIBULATION NOT BEFORE.
I totally agree with you! My thoughts exactly!
@@garywilson7992 The late Robert Van Kampen, Marc Rosenthal, MacMurtry, & Tom Petro all offer compelling arguments for a pre wrath rapture.
@@garywilson7992My testimony is similar to yours, that I soent considerable time in prayer and study of the subject.
What I learned from most comments I read along way was that anyone who was pre trib was pre trib because they had been taught that. This was the case for me.
I slso learned, and you will find this to be true in the comments here in this video, is that many who were pre trib changed their minds after doing an independent study of scripture without prejudice towards one view or the other. Also, those who come to the Lord with zero knowledge of any rapture and study on their oen, realize a pre wrath rapture as scriptural.
Revelation 6:17
"Who is able to stand?"
This phrase is an important marker of what's occurring here.
We see a similar phrase in Psalm 76:7-10
Note the deliverance of all the oppressed of the earth in verse 9. Rapture reference here?
We see the "Who is able to stand? Who can endure?" phrase also in these other passages which also have 6th seal references...
1. Malachi 3:2/Revelation 7:14
"Launderers' soap"
2. Nahum 1:6/Revelation 6:16
"Rocks are thrown down"
3. Joel 2:10-11/Revelation 6:12-14
"Signs in sun, moon, and stars
Check out Psalm 20:6 thru Psalm 21:7
Psalm 20:8
"We have risen and stand upright." This along with Psalm 17:15 make strong hints at a resurrection.
In Psalm 21:7 it says "through the mercy of the Most High he shall not be moved." Sometimes translated "He shall not be shaken." This reminds me of Hebrews 12:22-29
Also Psalm 21:12 just a little farther down reminds me also of Hebrews 12:20.
"If so much as a beast touches the mountain it shall be stoned or shot with an arrow. So terrifying was the sight that Moses said, 'I am exceedingly afraid and trembling."
Now again compare with Psalm 21:6. We see two vastly different extremes: "Exceedingly afraid" and "exceedingly glad" depending upon who you are? Just like in Hebrews 12:18-24.
Exodus 14:20
"A cloud and darkness to the one and it gave light by night to the other."
Joel 2:2-3 (darkness)
2nd Samuel 23:4 (light)
Psalm 18:25-26
Are these depictions or similitudes in these next passages for the rapture? (Hosea 12:10). There's comparisons to the Red Sea Crossing.
1. Exodus 15:16-17
"By the greatness of Your arm they will be as still as a stone." (go back and compare with Psalm 76:8)
2. Isaiah 52:10-12
"The arm of the Lord is made bare in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God."
And compare this Isaiah 52 passage with Revelation 1:7
"Every eye will see."
Compare Exodus 15:16-17 also with Hebrews 12:22-23 and the "fear and dread" in Revelation 6:15-17. Also Luke 21:26-28. Fear and dread, but there's a redemption here too. Who are afraid? And who are redeemed?
2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10
"It is a righteous thing for God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, and to give you who are troubled rest when Jesus is revealed from heaven with mighty angels, in flaming fire to take vengeance on all those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired by all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed."
There's that word "presence" again. This passage is frightening in most regards as we read about flaming fire, vengeance, and punishment...,but it's not for those who are given their rest and are "exceedingly glad" in His presence." Psalm 21:6. It's amazing how much is here in Psalm 20 & 21 regarding the 6th seal of Revelation and really a lot of the psalms. Psalm 18 too. There's a patch of 6th seal references from chapter 18 to 24 and 73 to 80 all centered around the phrase "who is able to stand?"
"Who may stand in Your presence when once You are angry?" Psalm 76:7
"Who may ascend into the hill of the Lord? Or who may stand in His holy place?" Psalm 24:3
"Who is able to stand?"
Revelation 6:17
Revelation 7:9
"I looked, and behold an innumerable multitude of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues standing before the throne and before the Lamb."
Revelation 7:13
"Who are these and where did they come from?"
"Rear guard"
Exodus 14:19-20
Isaiah 52:10-12
"For the Lord will go before you, and the God of Israel will be your rear guard."
Luke 21:36
"Pray that you are counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass and you are able to stand before the Son of Man."
Exodus 15:17
"You will bring them in and plant them in the mountain of Your inheritance, in the place O Lord which You have prepared for Your dwelling, the sanctuary which Your hands have established."
Psalm 46:4
John 14
Revelation 7:15
"Planted by a river"
Psalm 1:3, Psalm 52:8, Jeremiah 17:8, Revelation 22:1-2
So, we have people going out with the Lord leading before them as a shepherd, and then being brought into the city of God just like Hebrews 12:22-24 and John 10:1-6 describe. A man with a name like 'Joshua' or 'Yeshua' (Numbers 27:15-18). A "branch" from the root of Jesse (Isaiah 11:1). A branch who not only is a shepherd of the people, but who leads the people out and brings them in as a king like David would (1st Kings 3:7-8 "innumerable multitude", Psalm 121:8). A branch who not only is king, but also a priest and bears the same name as the high priest 'Joshua' in Zechariah 6:11-13. One who sits in both offices as both king and priest; after the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4)
Check these similarities:
1. The waters recede and God's people passed through. Exodus 14:19-21, Exodus 15:16-17, Psalm 77:15-20, Isaiah 43:1-2. "Calls them out by name." John 10:3
2. The sky recedes like a scroll. Who is able to stand? Revelation 6:12-17.
Remember there's waters above the firmament and below. Genesis 1:6-8. Where is the Sea of glass? What recedes like a scroll revealing the one who sits on the throne? Revelation 6:12-16, Psalm 18:11, Isaiah 25:7, Job 37:18, Ezekiel 1:19-22, Revelation 4:6, 15:2-3.
And who is able to stand in His presence?...
Exodus 14:13
Psalm 24:3-6
Jeremiah 15:19
Daniel 10:6-11
1st Kings 17:1
Genesis 18:22
Exodus 3:5
Joshua 5:15
Zechariah 3:1-6
And a crown is given to them...
Zechariah 6:11
Psalm 21:3
2nd Timothy 4:8
James 1:12
1st Thessalonians 2:19
Isaiah 29:23
Isaiah 54:11-17
Revelation 21:9-27
"Many waters"
Psalm 77:16
"The waters saw You, O God; the waters saw You, they were afraid."
Revelation 17:1
“Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who sits on many waters."
Revelation 17:15
“The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues."
Isaiah 17:12-13
Woe to the multitude of many people who make a noise like the roar of the seas, and to the rushing of nations that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters! The nations will rush like the rushing of many waters; but God will rebuke them and they will flee far away, and be chased like the chaff of the mountains before the wind, like a rolling thing before the whirlwind."
Psalm 21:11
"For they intended evil against You; they devised a plot which they are not able to perform."
Psalm 2:1-3
"Why do the nations rage, and the people plot a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying, “Let us break their bonds in pieces and cast away their cords from us.”
Psalm 18:6-16
"In my distress I called upon the Lord, and cried out to my God; He heard my voice from His temple,
and my cry came before Him, even to His ears. Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of the hills also quaked and were shaken, because He was angry. Smoke went up from His nostrils, and devouring fire from His mouth; coals were kindled by it. He bowed the heavens also, and came down with darkness under His feet. And He rode upon a cherub, and flew; He flew upon the wings of the wind. He made darkness His secret place; His canopy around Him was dark waters and thick clouds of the skies. From the brightness before Him, His thick clouds passed with hailstones and coals of fire. The Lord thundered from heaven, and the Most High uttered His voice, hailstones and coals of fire. He sent out His arrows and scattered the foe, lightnings in abundance, and He vanquished them. Then the channels of the sea were seen, the foundations of the world were uncovered at Your rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of Your nostrils. He sent from above, He took me; He drew me out of many waters."
Revelation 18:4
"And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues."
Isaiah 52:11
"Depart! Depart! Go out from there, touch no unclean thing; go out from the midst of her, be clean, you who bear the vessels of the Lord."
You don't need a prewrath rapture. God can protect his own by promises like those in Psalm 91.
Many,many of them get beheaded. So I don't think he will be protecting them. The only thing he protects them from is His own wrath (by taking them in the rapture just before the wrath begins).
I knew your dad quite well many years ago. I heard he died in Jan 2022 - my deepest sympathies for you and your family.
Amazing, clear and concise teaching. Praise the Lord for you!
I used to be a pre-trib rapture believer almost most of my Christian life but i been reading, re- reading, comparing, studying, watching, listening and praying and this position makes the most scenes according to scripture. Grateful to come across this video.
Why fall for a good video. It's possible but not definite. Study some more.
@@the-hollywood-dog-says-6072 I agree but for the most part this view seems a lot more plausible to me but I also believe it will remain a mystery so I'm not settling on when exactly it will be and I'm also not going to try to understand something God hasn't plainly said. So it really is a mystery to all of us no matter what position we choose because if it was plainly mentioned there wouldn't be diff views.
Best presentation ever on this! I read your dad's book many years ago and he convinced me of the pre-wrath rapture. Thank you for continuing his work.
Did you consider the “first resurrection” mentioned in revelation 20:5? I’m trying to reconcile putting a resurrection of the saints in revelation chapter 7 (the great multitude). The dead in Christ rises FIRST.
@@1AbidingInTheLight
The resurrection does not occur at at Revelation 20. The resurrected martyrs are just mentioned here because they will be resurrected to reign with Christ during the millennium and Revelation 20 is about the millennium.
Isaiah 26:19-21 makes it clear that the resurrection precedes the wrath of God. This is one of the better proofs for a pre-wrath rapture since the martyrs in Revelation 20 and their resurrection would have to take place after the antichrist is revealed at the midpoint.
Yes,I too, was wonderfully helped by his book as well! The Pre-Wrath Rapture is the most cohesive unstrained,a d scripturally sound interpretation of the Rapture!
Rapture is posttrib. It’s not debatable.
1. Resurrection PRECEDES the rapture. 1 Thessalonians 4. Dead in Christ shall rise first.
2. Jesus said the resurrection is on ‘the last day’ over and over and over in John 6. That is the last day of the age of grace. The last day of life without Christ. And so shall we ever be with the Lord. Obviously then this also means the rapture is on the last day since the resurrection PRECEDES THE RAPTURE.
3. The resurrection / rapture is in Rev 20:4. John says he saw the dead come to life. HERE is the resurrection and rapture. It’s post trib. AFTER Rev 5-19. The church goes through the tribulation. We will not experience Gods wrath just like Israel did not experience Gods wrath when He punished Egypt.
Any other position other than a posttrib rapture twists and distorts Gods Word.
Matthew 24:29-31
The Glorious Return
“But immediately after the tribulation of those days……..And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, ………….And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
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Jesus Himself says that He is coming back for His church AFTER the tribulation.
How can it get ANY CLEARER????
Stop with the false doctrine of a PreTrib rapture. This bad doctrine of escapism has got to be refuted. Too many people planning their escape instead of filling their lamp with oil.
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The rapture is post Trib. False teachers constantly and incessantly gets this wrong and lead the church astray. Don’t listen to them about the rapture they are WRONG.
STUDY. Show yourself approved. Don’t be ashamed.
1. The resurrection is BEFORE the rapture.
1 Thess 4.
2. The resurrection is ON THE LAST DAY.
John 6.
3. The last day is in Revelation 20:4. THE DEAD CAME TO LIFE.
This is the resurrection and rapture. The next day starts the millennial kingdom.
Instead of planning your escape start filling your lamps with oil.
Post Trib rapture is based on scripture. PreTrib rapture is based on conjecture, speculation and misinterpretation of Scripture.
Rapture is posttrib and It’s not really debatable. Here are some irrefutable truths.
1. The rapture is AFTER the resurrection.
1 Thessalonians 4. Dead in Christ shall rise first.
2. Jesus said the resurrection is on ‘THE LAST DAY’ over and over and over in John 6. That is the last day of the age of grace. The last day of life without Christ. The last day of the church age. The last day of the New Covenant. The next day starts the millennial kingdom. If the resurrection is ON THE LAST DAY obviously then this means that the rapture is on the last day since the RAPTURE IS AFTER THE RESURRECTION.
The rapture is on the last day.
3. The resurrection / rapture is in Rev 20:4. Here we find ‘the last day’. John says he saw the dead come to life. This is the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture is right after it. The rapture is post trib. It is AFTER Rev 5-19. The church goes THROUGH the tribulation. We will not experience Gods wrath just like Israel did not experience Gods wrath when God punished Egypt. And Noah didn’t experience Gods wrath when He flooded the whole earth, but Noah was preserved THROUGH the flood. Not raptured out of it. Israel was not raptured out of Egypt. God will test the church. He will have a pure spotless bride for His Son.
Any other position other than a posttrib rapture twists and distorts Gods Word.
And then there’s Jesus’ message in
Matthew 24:29-31
“But immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days……..And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, ………….And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
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Jesus Himself says that He is coming back for His church and will gather it immediately AFTER the tribulation.
How can it get ANY CLEARER????
Stop with this false doctrine of a PreTrib rapture. The doctrine of escapism has to be exposed and refuted by the word of God. Too many people planning their escape instead of filling their lamp with oil.
Having said this, in Rev 3:10 God promises to keep those who have proven their faithfulness from the hour of testing. Knowing that be so faithful that God keeps you from the tribulation. Remember this promise of Christ is to only ONE of the seven churches in Revelation. One. There are letters to SIX other churches.
And remember this verse.
Revelation 13:7
It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
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God will give Antichrist power to persecute and kill His saints. Sounds crazy but that’s His plan. Don’t let people tickle your ears with anything that’s not the truth.
2 Timothy 2:15
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
Read your Bible. Test your teachers. Reject false teachers. Endure to the end and you will be saved. That’s a promise from God.
I knew your father in the early 80’s. Maeve come to a Revelation conference to a little baptist church on Albany Ga. I was an 18 year old new Christian and newly married. Maeve was certainly ahead of his time. But mostly I remember his sweet disposition! Truly a godly man!
Outstanding teaching and revelation to be prepared for what is yet to come.
This is excellent presentation without any unnecessary distractions..
Will have to watch this over again and again as time permits..
Thank you, and may the Lord God Jesus continue to bless Zion's Hope Ministry financially, it takes a lot of time and effort to be a content creator on CZcams.
You honor the legacy of your dad. Very solid work.
David - this was excellent - thank you!
my problem with this is that the rapture is contingent upon the resurrection of those in Christ happening first, then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them. This happens at the end of the Tribulation, Revelation 19-20 (20.4-6 specifically) as Christ said, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days." While I've heard many explanations, they're just interpretive gymnastic to explain away or avoid the plain text of Scripture. The Tribulation is not *THE* Wrath we are not appointed to. The Wrath we're not appointed to is the judgement of eternal damnation.
Your perspective will change if you read Genesis 19:23-25..
"Immediately after the trib of those days" is Jesus quoting Isa 27:13. It is not the Rapture.
No, you're mistaken about the Wrath of God and the Lamb, what you consider to be the wrath is actually the Great White Throne Judgement. Here is scriptural proof: Rev.6:15 Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. 17 For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”
Again, without intention to be controversial, I realized that if one does not regard the church and Israel as two different entities, they would easily deny this rapture position.
Why do people think that God has a caste system?
Do they seriously imagine that God is saying "Those OT believers were willing to die for me, but they believed too soon, so they are not my favorites. These others believed last, they are also willing to die for me, but they are not my bride, so they must suffer terribly.
But THAT group, the one that falls in line with every whim and fad of society, no matter how clearly I have forbidden it, claims to heal back pain by playing the carnival scam of leg-pulling, and insists that my only desire is to lavish them with every earthly whim while winking at blatant sins...THAT group is my beloved. THAT is my bride. They will be spirited off the earth before the Beast can bruise their little pinkies."
The "New Covenant" was promised to ABRAHAM. It was stated long before the church was formed. The Bride of YHVH is Israel. The betrothal contract was the Mosaic Covenant.
"Israel was YHVH's bride, but God divorced her." - Pretribbles. No, Zechariah makes it crystal clear that it was a temporary setting aside. The remnant will be redeemed.
"But the church is the bride of CHRIST not Yahweh." - Pretribbles. Actually, that is stated nowhere in the Bible. Paul does say that he wished to present the church as a pure bride. He also says that we are grafted INTO the root of Israel.
SO, who is YHVH (Yahweh/I AM)?
I always thought it was God the Father. BUT:
THE ANGEL of the LORD spoke to Moses from the burning bush. When Moses asked THE ANGEL of the LORD to state His name, TAOTL replied, "I AM that I AM." (I AM WHAT I WILL BE/ YHVH/ YAHWEH)
THE ANGEL of the LORD is seen several times in the Bible when a supernatural "man" is identified as God. Since no human can see God and live, these must be Christophanies. (Appearances of Jesus prior to his incarnation.)
In other words, the God identified as YHVH, I AM, or Yahweh is God the SON!
His bride is Israel. We, who believe get to be part of that.
exactly because the true Israel are those who receive the Messiah and not dependent on nationality and that's the promise we are grafted in to the original olive tree "and you shall be one flock with One Shepherd "
I guess if they are wrong on the church and Israel then they are going to be wrong in the rapture too Oh well 🤷♂️
during the covid pandemic, after going through scriptures. I do believe in a post trib pre wrath rapture. Hallelujah lets rejoice and encourage one another brothers and sisters
Amen, keep looking for the church rapture
John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times. Jesus is truth keep the faith
The church rapture is at judgement day
Revelation 21 New earth no more days
Mystery Babylon tricked us
The church was never promised white robes or the thousand year reign of Jesus
The saints that overcome the Mark of the beast are promised white robes and the thousand year reign of Jesus
Revelation 7 14 white robes
Revelation 20 4 thousand year reign
The church was promised everlasting life
Daniel 12 2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Scripture does not say that.
...and that position is supposed to "ENCOURAGE" the believer?!?! RU serious?
The pre-trib rapture rebukes the pre-wrath, mid-trib, & post-trib rapture theories.
I don't see anything in scripture that says great tribulation being after the midpoint means there isn't any tribulation in the first half. Whether you want to call them birth pangs or not, it is still tribulation with a small t. It's just that it gets worse as time goes on. I am also not so sure that the "great tribuation" is cut short. It merely means that God has set a time limit. I don't seen that the "great tribulation" ENDS (OR IS CUT SHORT) and then the wrath begins. They're all part of the same thing. All I can say for sure is that believers are raptured before the wrath (Day of the Lord).
This is by far the best presentation of the pre wrath rapture I've seen!
Excellent. Spot on!
I have done much study and conclude this Presentation is based on Scripture taken in proper context. Also one of the best presentations that would be understood by most Church goers.Pretribulation believers cannot offer definite Bible verses to support then timing of the Rapture. Jesus in Matthew 24 explicitly states what happens before the Rapture.Paul explicitly states in 2 Thess Ch 2 that the Apostasy and revealing of the antichrist are to take place. Well done David !
I can tell you exactly when the church rapture will happen
The church rapture is at judgement day
John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times, simple just stop adding a thousand years or more after the day Jesus calls the Last day
The church doesn't have one Bible verse that promised them white robes or the thousand year reign of Jesus
The saints that overcome the Mark of the beast are promised white robes and the thousand year reign of Jesus
Revelation 7 14 white robes
Revelation 20 4 thousand year reign
Jesus is truth keep the faith
Agreed. The Word of God cannot be compromised. After an intense Scriptural study myself I came to this Prewrath position as well. May God be with you.
I read your dad's book in the 90s and was so excited to find a consistent position. I have affirmed and taught it ever since.
Very good! Thankyou very much.
Thank you for another very clear and insightful teaching on this essential topic - really most appreciated, and only one mention of the word 'global' this time. Much preferred when you say 'world-wide'... (words are important) 🙂 Blessings aye.
Great presentation, very clear and concise. My understanding in regard to the last trump is that it is the trump of God not an angel blowing the trumpet and it is tied to the Jewish feasts.
The Resurrection of the church is at judgment day
John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times
1 Corinthians 15 Paul says the Resurrection of the dead four times before verse 51
Jesus is Truth Keep the Faith
This is exactly what I believe and teach. And some Pre-Trib believers attack me!
Outstanding teaching... Very clear and concise outline and arrangement of the Scriptures.
Thank you. I like the way you angled you easel. Much easier to see.
Excellent teaching
Over the last 50 yrs I’ve heard many people “ prove “ from scripture several different views about the end times. When I was a teenager , seeing I was interested in the subject, my pastor gave me some advice . He said “you’ve got to remember, it’s only “their opinion “.
Post Trib rapture is based on scripture. PreTrib rapture is based on conjecture, speculation and misinterpretation of Scripture.
Rapture is posttrib and It’s not really debatable. Here are some irrefutable truths.
1. The rapture is AFTER the resurrection.
1 Thessalonians 4. Dead in Christ shall rise first.
2. Jesus said the resurrection is on ‘THE LAST DAY’ over and over and over in John 6. That is the last day of the age of grace. The last day of life without Christ. The last day of the church age. The last day of the New Covenant. The next day starts the millennial kingdom. If the resurrection is ON THE LAST DAY obviously then this means that the rapture is on the last day since the RAPTURE IS AFTER THE RESURRECTION.
The rapture is on the last day.
3. The resurrection / rapture is in Rev 20:4. Here we find ‘the last day’. John says he saw the dead come to life. This is the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the rapture is right after it. The rapture is post trib. It is AFTER Rev 5-19. The church goes THROUGH the tribulation. We will not experience Gods wrath just like Israel did not experience Gods wrath when God punished Egypt. And Noah didn’t experience Gods wrath when He flooded the whole earth, but Noah was preserved THROUGH the flood. Not raptured out of it. Israel was not raptured out of Egypt. God will test the church. He will have a pure spotless bride for His Son.
Any other position other than a posttrib rapture twists and distorts Gods Word.
And then there’s Jesus’ message in
Matthew 24:29-31
“But immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days……..And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, ………….And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
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Jesus Himself says that He is coming back for His church and will gather it immediately AFTER the tribulation.
How can it get ANY CLEARER????
Stop with this false doctrine of a PreTrib rapture. The doctrine of escapism has to be exposed and refuted by the word of God. Too many people planning their escape instead of filling their lamp with oil.
Having said this, in Rev 3:10 God promises to keep those who have proven their faithfulness from the hour of testing. Knowing that be so faithful that God keeps you from the tribulation. Remember this promise of Christ is to only ONE of the seven churches in Revelation. One. There are letters to SIX other churches.
And remember this verse.
Revelation 13:7
It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him.
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God will give Antichrist power to persecute and kill His saints. Sounds crazy but that’s His plan. Don’t let people tickle your ears with anything that’s not the truth.
2 Timothy 2:15
Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.
Read your Bible. Test your teachers. Reject false teachers. Endure to the end and you will be saved. That’s a promise from God.
What are your thoughts about the “last trump” being the second ram’s horn from Isaac’s binding?
Awesome teaching, I got Marvin's book years ago. It's the only position that makes sense to me. thank you for carrying on these Bible truths.
Well done
Question regarding the { beginning of sorrows}: that seems like it could possibly be much longer than only 3 1/2 years, how do you interpret this to be only 3 1/2 years, since the things described during the{beginning of sorrows} are things that have been already happening and gradually increasing and becoming more intense, could not therefore the {beginning of sorrows} period be much longer than only 3 1/2 years, perhaps even decades or more?
No because Daniel's 70th week is a week of 7 years only with the last 3-1/2 being the great tribulation and ending with The Day of the Lord, God's wrath.
Agree with all of this and this is also what my church teaches too. I have been watching your videos along with others for a few years and believe pre-wrath is most Bibilical position. However, just had one question pertaining to 'day of the Lord' for the following verse, 4:17 Then they who are alive, shall be caught up together into the clouds with them who remain, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we be ever with the Lord. How does this verse reconcile with [raptured church] being the great multitude in Rev. 7? That's the only thing I am just curious about. I'm an amateur, so it could be something obvious I have missed! Blessings to you and your wonderful ministry.
The simple meaning of 1 Thess 4:15-17 is that those of us who believe in Christ, and remain (Strongs Concordance Greek word - περιλείπω; transliteration - perileipomai; meaning - to survive) at His coming, are those who have survived the persecution of the anti-christ during the Great Tribulation.
Now at some point, the Great Tribulation (anti-Christ's persecution of ALL believers in Christ) has got to end and the Day of the Lord (destruction of ALL non-believers) begins. If you read Rev 6:17, it says that "for the great day of their wrath has come and who can stand?" Whose wrath? God's wrath on the wicked. Since we (ALL believers) are not appointed to God's wrath, all believers in Christ (the dead and the living) are caught up together (I do not like the word "rapture") to Heaven before His wrath begins.
Another word can be expressed the same thought instead of rapture “be caught up”.
Tony I agree with James’s answer.
Important to note is that the chapters in the book of Revelation tell a complete story but they are not necessarily sequential or chronological.....but when scripture is used to interpret scripture, then the whole gestalt forms.
You ready for the real secret to 1 Thess 4:16-17? Okay here it is.
It has nothing to do with the Tribulation. All these so-called people who have studied the Bible don't understand basic Christianity.
When Adam sinned he lost 3 things:
1) His spiritual life. That happened instantly
2) His physical life. That happened after 930 years.
3) His dominion over the earth. He allowed Satan and his henchmen to come in here and disrupt the rightful order of man's dominion over the activities of the planet. That is why Satan runs the world governments and the kingdoms of this planet.
So Jesus came, as the Second Adam to redeem all that Adam had lost.
1) He redeemed your spiritual life at Calvary. The moment you accept him as Lord you become spiritually alive. When you die your soul goes to heaven.
But your physical body still dies. Last time I checked man still goes back into the ground. So clearly that has not been redeemed.
Satan is still ruling this planet. As far as I can tell there is a ton of wickedness all over the place. So clearly that has not been redeemed yet.
So when do the other two issues get redeemed? Enter 1 Thess 4:16-17.
First those who are in heaven will get their bodies reunited with their souls (verse 16). Then we who are alive, will get caught up in the air to meet those who are in heaven. We get our bodies transformed mid-flight. 1 Cor 15:52 in a blink of an eye.
The rapture is simply what redeems your physical life. All the saints of God get their immortal incorruptible bodies so that we can go between heaven and earth. The rapture has nothing to do with salvation. That work was already done at Calvary. So it has nothing to do with how tough you are standing up for Jesus.
When does the earth get redeemed? After all, Jesus says the meek shall inherit the earth. It belongs to those who are raptured in 1 Thess 4:16-17. there is only one problem. There are a ton of wicked people and Satan and his buddies all still hanging around the earth. They don't want to leave. How do they get removed? Over a 7 year period called the Tribulation. The 21 judgments are designed to systematically remove kingdoms and wicked people from the planet. In fact when you actually walk through Revelation correctly and you do the math, you see that nearly 99% of the population is killed. There is just a small group of Jews and a handful of people from every nation left to repopulate the earth during the Millennial Reign.
And if 99% of the population is killed how does God decide who gets raptured and who lives to enter the Millennial Reign as a mortal? Because you have to have both for the Reign to be realistic. Does God play favorites? I don't think so. I think 1 Thess 4:16-17 is the one event that everyone goes together. It can't be at the end because there is no one left "alive to get caught up." At least not enough to fulfill the great multitudes that no one can count. God is a God of order. He already redeemed our spiritual life. The physical life must be redeemed before the eviction process of the earth begins. Christians don't repopulate the earth, we rule over the mortals who rebuild. So the logical order is that it comes at the beginning of the Tribulation.
THE proof of the pre-trib rapture: Who does John see upon arriving at the throne room of the universe? "And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold." (Rev. 4:4 KJV) And who are these elders? There's no need to speculate....they proclaim their identity in 5:9-10. "And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." Now who will be in heaven singing of having been redeemed by the blood of the Lamb? There's a clue in their song....note the pronouns "us" and "we." ('Jeopardy" theme plays) THE CHURCH!! John is looking at the glorified church who are wearing the white robes and crowns they were given at the Bema Seat Judgment AFTER the rapture. And since, at this point, our Lord is just now rising to take the title deed to the earth and begin to break the seals, the 7 years of Jacob's Trouble has yet to begin. Since none other than the Apostle John taught (as shown to him by the Holy Spirit) of a pre-trib rapture, I'm going to take his word for it.
The reward is given in Rev 11:18, that is when the kingdoms of this world become the Kingdom of the Lord, and He begins to reign. The 24 elders are OT Saints resurrected with Christ, the elders of the church in Heaven, which reign with Christ, the root of the natural olive tree of Israel. They and the 4 creatures sing a song and glorify Christ. The 24 elders are NOT of the group of the NT Saints, nowhere in revelation. The "us" is added and the "we" is changed, the older manuscripts say they and them.
Yea, brother. You're so right. We're looking to and for Jesus, not the Antichrist. We could never attain anything more than the gift of His grace in saving us from sin by proving (works of the flesh) our faith in the tribulation of the 70th week when we say NO to the mandate and lose our heads. Most people will say YES. Why? Because we're human and we have doctorates in failures, each and every one of us. Let nobody fool you. Talk to someone you know well that was involved in all-out war. He will tell you how the brave of today can falter and cry like a coward tomorrow. We don't have guarantees when we think about our weak flesh. I've hung-in-there 'till my "jaws" broke off and it mattered not - I gained nothing of true value because of my prideful tenacity or whatever horrible thing it was! We are KNOWN by our Father in heaven, and He will return for us at exactly the moment He had ordained from the beginning. Our personal rapture is imminent either way i.e. we die, we gone. This struggle we call life is worth the while and everything we do in the Spirit counts (in heaven) as long as we forget ourselves and keep looking to Jesus! Maranatha!
The elders are not the church, at most they represent the church. They are most often associated with the living creatures, which are equally mysterious but most like angelic beings from a reading of the OT. The song the elders sing in Rev 5 is poorly translated to use the word "us" in the KJV, but that word is not there in other translations. Also in Rev 5, the elders hold the prayers of the saints, which men wouldn't do.
I appreciate David's presentation and attempt to help people understand Scripture. I think there are many contradictions, however, to the prewrath position.
1. Notice David claims (correctly) that the first half of Daniel's 70th week is called "labor pains" by Jesus in Matthew 24:8. Paul uses the identical term in the Greek (odin) for "labor pains" in 1 Thess. 5:3. Problem: Paul links the labor pains to the "day of the Lord." This means the beginning of labor pains is the beginning of the day of the Lord and therefore God's wrath! This is why the pretribulation proponents are correct in asserting that the church is raptured at the very beginning of Daniel's 70th week (prior to the day of the Lord).
2. Key to the prewrath position is the idea that Antichrist's reign of 3 1/2 years will be cut short to less than that. They claim Matthew 24:22 teaches this. Problem: The apostle John teaches that antichrist reigns for 3 1/2 years in Revelation 13:5. This means that the prewrath position directly contradicts John's teaching in Revelation 13:5. This is why pretribulation proponents teach that the great tribulation is "cut short" to 3 1/2 years just as Daniel and John taught (cf. Dan. 7:25; 12:7; Rev. 12:14; 13:5). There is then no contradiction between Matthew 24:22 and John 13:5 in the pretribulation view.
3. The prewrath position claims the day of the Lord (and its associated wrath) is not present until after the 6th seal. Problem: Paul teaches that the day of the Lord comes while the unbelieving world is claiming they have "peace and safety" (1 Thess. 5:3). Peace and safety is removed by the 2nd seal! John wrote, "And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth, and that men would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him" (Rev. 6:4). This is why pretribulation proponents teach that the entire 70th week of Daniel is God's wrath.
4. As I mentioned above, the prewrath position claims the day of the Lord's wrath does not begin until after the 6th seal. Problem: The fourth seal records four instruments of God's wrath: sword, famine, pestilence, and wild beasts (Rev. 6:8). This passage is a direct allusion to Ezekiel 14:19-21 where God poured out sword, famine, pestilence, and wild beasts on Jerusalem as instruments of His wrath. Why was it God's wrath when it was poured out upon Jerusalem, but it's not God's wrath when poured out on the world? This is another reason why pretribulation proponents teach the that the wrath of God is present during the entire 70th week.
5. The prewrath position claims that Daniel's 70th week and its associated tribulations will be the worst time period in human history. This is true (Matt. 24:21). The prewrath position claims, however, that this worst time period will be cut short by the day of the Lord which is the worst time period! You can't have two "worst" time periods! This is another reason why pretribulation proponents teach that the entire 70th week of Daniel is the day of the Lord.
6 David Rosenthal claims (as do other prewrath proponents) that the day of the Lord and its wrath begins after the 6th seal. Problem: The unregenerate claim that the day of God's wrath has come in Revelation 6:17 (6th seal). The aorist verb (erchomai) "has come" is a constative aorist that explains a past event. The unregenerate even understand at this point that the world has been experiencing the wrath of God. This is direct contradiction to David Rosenthal who claims the day of the Lord begins "after" the 6th seal.
7. The prewrath position claims that the day of the Lord is preceded by cosmic disturbances. Problem: There are a series of 5 cosmic disturbances throughout Daniel's 70th week. You have a cosmic disturbance at the 6th seal (Rev. 6:12), 4th trumpet (Rev. 8:12), 5th trumpet (Rev. 9:2), 4th bowl (Rev. 16:8), and after Daniel's 70th week according to Jesus in Matthew 24:29. Prewrath claims Matthew 24:29 and the 6th seal are synonymous. The problem: Jesus teaches this cosmic disturbance occurs after the 70th week is over!
8. Prewrath claims Joel 2:31 and Malachi 4:5 provide signs prior to the day of the Lord. Interestingly, both texts have the same phrase "great and terrible day of Yahweh." When one reads from Joel 2:31 through Joel 3:1-21, one realizes this "great and terrible day of Yahweh" is the narrow 24-hour day in which Messiah intervenes against the enemies surrounding Jerusalem (Zech 14:1-7). This is why Jesus cites the same text (Joel 2:31) in Mattew 24:29 because it is "immediately after the tribulation of those days." This is a reference to the end of Daniel's 70th week, not some point inside of it. Therefore, there are signs prior to what is called the "narrow day" of the Lord, but not before the broad day of the Lord which begins at the inception of Daniel's 70th week and extends unto eternity (2 Pet. 3:10). This is why pretribulation proponents rightly claim that the broad day of the Lord (beginning of Daniel's 70th week) comes like a thief (1 Thess. 5:2), and that the "narrow day of the Lord" (final battle at end of 7 years) is preceded by signs such as the Elijah like witness (Rev. 11) and cosmic disturbances (Joel 2:31; Mal. 4:5).
9 Prewrath claims the day of the Lord is preceded by signs, yet Paul says it comes "suddenly" and like a "thief." (1 Thess. 5:2-3). The term for thief (kleptes) is one which emphasizes stealth. The robber (lestes) uses force to get what he wants, but the thief (kleptes) uses stealth. How can the day of the Lord come without warning if there are signs that must occur first? How can the day of the Lord come suddenly when people have seen many signs prior that have tipped them off? Jesus uses Noah's day as the example of the onset of Daniel's 70th week (Matt. 24:37-39). The whole purpose of citing Noah's day is to give an example of the suddenness of the coming wrath. The writer of Hebrews wrote, "By faith Noah, being warned by God about things not yet seen, in reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household, by which he condemned the world, and became an heir of the righteousness which is according to faith" (Heb 11:7).
Notice the writer of Hebrews states that Noah was "warned by God about things not yet seen." There were no signs for Noah or anyone else to see that God's wrath was coming. That's the way it will be at the onset of Daniel's 70th week. The only warning comes from the word of God. This is why Jesus said, "A wicked and adulterous generation seeks for a sign, but none will be given to it except the sign of Jonah" (Matt. 16:4). The only sign (sign of Jonah) refers to Christ's resurrection and cannot be visibly seen by us during the church age. This sign is only found by believing in what the Scriptures have said.
There are 2 catching ups pre for the church post for the jews when Christ returns after the trib. If you die now you will have your own private pre trib rapture.
By God’s grace, I’ve read through the Bible every year since 1998. I wish I could say that because I was a good Christian is why I did it, but it wasn’t it was because I wanted to understand Revelation.
This position is the only one that needs no extra explanation, or no things to be focused on or ignored in order to make the position work. It also can be interpreted as pre, mid or post trib with just some minor, variations on definitions or circumstances, so it actually helps explain the other views existence.
No one understood Jesus first coming completely before it happened, so I’m sure there’s things we don’t understand now, but this sure seems to fit.
I have been in the Pre-Wrath camp for many years, and I owe a lot of my Biblical knowledge to David's father, Marvin Rosenthal. He published a now famous book entitled The PRE-WRATH RAPTURE of the CHURCH in 1990. It is excellent, thorough, and well worth reading; again and again! Arm yourself with Truth! This is a life-changer. Amen.
I don’t understand how the explanation of these verses are constantly overlooked
“And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.”
Revelation 11:3-4
It literally tells us who the two witnesses are: the 2 olive trees and the 2 candlesticks - challenge yourself to do a deep dive into these 2 things mentioned - you won’t come to the conclusion of Moses and Elijah
Amen!
Sorry, I’m making comments as I go 😁 . I mentioned this in my previos post, but the trumpets have to start at the 3 1/2 year mark in order for the 2 witnesses to finish their ministry. How does the pre-wrath reconcile this point?
Interesting question
If the 2 witnesses are preaching from the Temple mount all during the first half when the Temple is being rebuilt (and the A/C goes into the Temple at the midpoint), then they are killed around the midpoint. I think the Rapture could happen when they are raised to life 3 1/2 days after being killed (and after the Abom of Des).
Seeing that the Church is raptured at the end of the Sixth Seal (Revelation 6 and 7) and ushered to Heaven at that point, and that the Wrath of GOD (7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls of suffering) commences from that moment on until the end of the remainder of the 7 year period, then what is Revelation 12 (7th Trumpet) referring to in the last verses of this chapter in which we read that the dragon (devil) goes after the Church in his anger?
I believe the description of the seals is not a sequential set of events that precedes the trumpets and the bowls. I believe it is an overview of the Tribulation, like an outline, and then the details start over with the trumpets and bowls. Think of the way the Creation is described: The overall description is presented in Genesis 1, and then in Chapter 2 it could appear that it is done over again, but really that chapter just adds more detail. This is a common technique in the Hebrew Bible: Give a general overview, then go back, start over, and provide additional details.
This is what I think is going on in the seals. Those seals describe the overall course of events or the themes that will be going on in the Tribulation. Then it's like we are told, "OK - let's start over and dig into the details." That's where we get into the trumpets and the bowls.
So the rapture happens at the sixth seal, but that isn't an event that precedes all the trumpets and bowls. That is the point in Tribulation overview that the rapture will occur. To get the details you need to look at all the trumpets and bowls. We see that the Rapture occurs in Rev 14 -- The Harvest of the Earth. For example, compare this passage in Rev to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew 13. There Jesus explains that the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. It's an exact parallel to the passage in Rev 14.
So that's why the passage in Rev 12 describes the dragon going after and persecuting the Church. It's because the Church is still on Earth and the Rapture hasn't happened in the timeline yet.
Hope this helps.
Rev. 6 verses 12 & 13 those two verses are speaking of Satan when he imitates Christ's coming and then he-Satan will appear in the holy land-temple of God as God/Christ doing miracles tempting all He is Christ, the hour of temptation.
Then the remaining verses in Rev. 6 it then fast forwards to the real Christ coming. Verses 12 & 13 are the constellation of Satan appearing as Christ when Satan appears as Christ the moon became blood-blood moon. Matthew 24 are the constellation of the real Christ, the real Christ comes the moon does not light because of the brightness of Christ. Just like the very first seal that rider on the white horse is Satan imitating Christ on His white horse in Rev. 19. The real Christ return will darken the sun, moon and stars as it is written in Isaiah chapter 13:10. But that's not until the last trump-trump of God after the tribulation ends...
The rider on that white horse in that "first" seal is the fake Christ Satan, that bow he has is toxon in the Greek meaning a cheap fabric imitation, Satan imitating the rider on the white white horse Christ in Rev. chapter 19. You have to rightly divide the word and distinguish the positive from the negative. And a crown was given unto him because Satan is the king of Babylon in the end times, Babylon means confusion. Satan is the king of the bottomless pit Rev.9 and when Satan appears Christ-king in the holy land temple of God as Christ tempting the world he is Christ returned, the hour of temptation and the falling away..
Satan will appear in the Holy land-temple of God as Christ-looking like Christ on the woe of the 6th trumpet doing miracles, Ezekiel chapter 28 says Satan is very beautiful looking and also is a supernatural entity and able to disguise as an angel of light as written.
Just like the "second" seal the red horse with the sword is like Christ sword in Rev. 19, but the opposite, instead of truth as Christ speaks it's lies coming out of Satan's mouth, a flood of lies Rev. chapter 12, deception and it will be spiritual war as well.
In the "third" seal the black horse famine and as written in Amos chapter 8 the famine of the end times is not for food but for hearing the word of the Lord, look what is being taught out there now and there will be Satan's one world religion at that time-last half of the tribulation/hour of temptation.
The "fourth" seal pale horse death which is another name for Satan Hebrews 2:14, and hell followed him and army follows Christ when He returns and Satan has his army of fallen angels that follow him as well when they are cast out of heaven to earth on the woe of the fifth trumpet Rev. chapters 9 & 12.
In six seal in Rev. 6 you will have the repetition of the colors that were mention in the first four seals letting you know they take on there ultimate spiritual form at that time, it will be spiritual war, spiritual famine, spiritual death and Satan will have appeared as the false Christ at that time in the Holy land-temple of God.
There are some good questions and responses .keep reading the Word and keep praying fir wisdom and discernment..and don't forget love thy neighbor or you missed everything
The 7 year timeframe , is it based on the concept that the {beginning of sorrows} is only 3 1/2 years long?
Thank you so much for the simple way of explaining this. I already read your father's book, and I also met him, and he was wonderful, chatting with me in the 90's, in Toronto. He was in the middle of writing a sequel to The Prewrath Rapture Of The Church book, about the foolish and the wise virgins. I'm not sure if he finished the book or not. God bless you!
Why is the day of the lord NOT a day, but 3.5 years? Is Jesus coming back early? and then leaving and coming back again? I don't see any proof or even an argument here.
The first resurrection is when in Revelation?
Pre-Trib all the way. It’s the only one that makes sense and I believe it’s clearly taught in scripture.
But what is the restrainer that moves out of the way so that all of this can happen?
If the pre-wrath rapture is scriptural, then where does the Dispensation of Grace ends? Obviously at almost the end of the 70th Week of Daniel? So the special Dispensation of the Tribulation begins at the Day of the Lord or when the Rapture takes place?
A good presentation on this subject. I listened to another video on this and I'm inspired to reread the bible so that I can present it the same, or at least understand the passages better.
The late Robert Van Kampen also offers a very compelling argument for a pre wrath rapture.
The truth will set us free 👍💯,
Yes!!!! The last trump is the 7th Trump of Rev. Then GOD'S WRATH BEGINS.
Mr. Rosenthal, Marvin, did he go to be with the Lord last year? Great life and mission that we still celebrate! Only bummer is that 70 didn't take off yet, Lord's will letting! I owe him, David and the Staff there! Soundest Biblical position on the Rapture that's out there!
What is the biblical explanation of the teaching of the 144,000 so late on the tribulation time line? Second, are you teaching the literal “Day” of the Lord or do you believe it to be a season of time? Thanks
The post trib pre wrath position is that God's wrath is poured out after the tribulation for a period of time, not one literal day; and it will culminate with Armageddon and the beginning of the millennial reign, thus signifying the end of Daniel's 70th week. The 144,000 preach the gospel after the great tribulation, just before or during the outpouring of God's wrath. Those who believe the gospel and survive the outpouring of God's wrath go into the millennium in physical, non-glorified bodies because they missed the post tribulational, pre wrath gathering of the saints. Post trib, post wrath believers believe the day of the LORD to be one literal day.Hope this helps. God bless you, Ken.
1 Thessalonians 1:10 10and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.
The churches who are focusing on being raptured are not preparing the people to endure persecution. I am not talking about the tribulation. If you are expecting to be raptured and not expecting persecution you will fall away. There will be a falling away before any rapture will happen (2 Thess. 2:3).
They fall away because they are deceived preparing themselves only for rapture instead of preparing themselves to endure to the end.
Don't be blindsided by unexpected persecution and fall away.
(Matthew 13)."...But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended..."
I remember hearing people say that when the so called rapture happens that there will be crashing cars and airplanes because some of the drivers and pilots will suddenly be taken away and the cars and planes will crash because there will be no one left to control them. This scenario will not happen and cannot happen because when the church of Philadelphia is translated the people will be assembled in a 24 hour sunset to sunset Trumpets convocation. Just like the 120 were in Acts chapter 2 for the Feast of Weeks. They will not be out and about driving cars and flying airplanes.
“Blessed are those servants, whom the Lord when He comes shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.”
Some people say that they are watching all the time but they overlook verse 38. “And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.” (Luke 12:37-38).
Under normal circumstances people are sound asleep during the second and third watch. Therefore Luke 12 is not talking about watching in a figurative way. The LORD is talking of a literal watch.
There are appointed times in the scriptures for us to fulfill a literal watch. In fact, all of the appointed times of holy convocations (moedim) listed in Leviticus 23 are watches and vigils of Yahweh. Each one of them are fulfilled by both an Old Testament and corresponding New Testament historical event.
In other words they will be assembled together in a holy convocation and not out and about driving cars and flying airplanes. Like the 120 were assembled in the upper room Acts chapter 2 for the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost). Unfortunately, because of a man-made ecclesiastical calendar many will not be watching at the appointed time.
The people preaching a post-trib doctrine are setting up all their friends and family for serious hardship because they are lying to them that there is no pre-trib rapture. Then when it occurs, those in their circle who are not believers are going to be severely upset that they didn't share the correct gospel story and left them on the planet to deal with all the judgments of God. You lose the ability to be a great witness in whatever months/ years we have left.
@@seanc2788 post tribbers expect to go through the tribulation so prepared for whatever is ahead, pre tribbers are not sticking to what the Bible tells them when the rapture time frame is, they ignore it and weave in fantasies about a secret rapture and a ticket out of here, no persecution whatsoever for them, have they forgotten how all but 1 of the Messiahs disciples were martyred for their faith, what about Christians in the arenas with lions? Burned at the stake?
Revelation 13:7 the beast is given permission by God to war with the saints, the saints and the church are the same, Believers.
The righteousness of the in fine clean white linen are the same saints.
Daniel 7:21 the horn made war with the saints and prevailed against them.
22: until the Ancient of days came, and judgement was given to the saints of the most high, and the time came that the saints possessed the Kingdom.
We are exempt from Gods wrath, but not Satans.
We are told to endure to the end. How are you showing your faith by expecting a free pass out of here, different then any other Christian.
Matthew 24:13 the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Well said!!...only in dumbed down westernized America does church think they are immune to persecution, even while it's happening in many parts of world...duhhh
Revelations covers more than the last 7 years
The Revelation, Chapter 7, The 144,000, representing all 12 Tribes, fulfill the Great
Commission! Notice they have Angelic help
to accomplish this. Notice John is shocked that a number that can’t be numbered are born again! They loved not their lives to death answering the question of the
5th Seal…. How long till you avenge out blood? Revelation 6:9…. All martyrs. Notice they suffered great persecution!
Blessings!
Im finding the pre wrath view more compelling with time. It seems to address the objections of the post trib position, while preserving the greater strengths of the pre trib position. The verse God will "keep us from the wrath coming upon the whole earth" undermines the post trib view pretty severely.
How does it undermine post trib. Pre tribbers say that we are not appointed to God's wrath ( great tribulation) but tribulation saints are going through the tribulation in Revelations. I thought believers were protected from God's wrath, but they are being beheaded
Pre-trib can evoke a feeling or life of laziness visions of grandeur
Paul calls it the blessed hope.
GREAT Teaching! 😊
I learned a lot!
Two questions...
1) After the Rapture... Will anyone be saved?
What does their Salvation look like? (Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ - ir something else?)
2) What about those of us who are descendants of Jacob (Israel) Do we go through the time of Jacob's Trouble?
(I pulled a Biden... Two words "Made in America)
That was more than two questions 😮
I believe the day of the LORD ( LAST DAY) begins during the tribulation ( 3-1/2 yrs long) for the elects sake those days are cut short.
The resurrection will cut those days short for the body of Christ.
While I appreciate and agree with so much of this, there remains a real problem for me in understanding what Rosenthal means by saying that the scroll can't be opened and read until all seven seals are broken when clearly there is a distinct prophetic revelation following the breaking of each successive seal. Depicting the seven seals on the rolled-up edge of the scroll reinforces this. Can somebody elucidate this please?
All of the seals are on the outside of the scroll. It cannot be opened until all of the seals are broken.
For the Elect's _SAKE_ The word "Sake" is not in the original Greek. So, it should more accurately read, "For the Elect, those day's will be cut short."
So what is the thirty minutes of silence about?
There were a lot of days of noah. Christ only mention the verse you quoted. He didn't include when noah boarded the arc & closed the door. Just what was happening during the days of noah. In other words not what happened to noah, , but was happening when noah lived
So why doesn’t scripture, Revelation, tell us that at the 7th Trumpet is sounded, when it tells us all that will happen, we need to guess that the rapture will be included?
Revelation 3:10 we will not be there. After revelation chapter 3, church not mentioned anymore. We are rapture
@@JacquelineCopeland-zp7sjhow do you get a 7 year tribulation from the phrase “hour of trial“? If the pre trib rapture were so true then why did Jesus never mention it?
The rapture happens after the 6th seal when the sun and moon are darkened. Read Revelation 7:9. This the same as Matthew 24:29 and Nark 14:24.
There is no Rapture in Revelation 11 during the 7th trumpet
Okay, trying to understand your idea, we will meet Christ in the clouds, then go before his judgement seat, then be immediately placed into his army to join him for the battle of Armageddon? He tells us he will go to prepare a place for us, in your mind, where does he prepare them? How long will we remain there? I’m very confused.
The outpouring of God’s wrath could take months or even years, not days or weeks..
How about Revelation 4:1? How do you define that? It’s prior to any seals being opened. Just trying to figure your train of thought.
The church is raptured. I understand
In Revelation 4:1 only one guy goes to heaven spiritually. Contrast that with Revelation 7:9 where there appears a great multitude in Heaven after the Sun and moon are darkened in the 6th seal.
Which one sounds more like the rapture, Revelation 4:1 or Revelation 7:9?
They don't want to believe it. Rev 4:1 clearly says [the things of the tribulation "must" take place after "the things which are"], The things which are is the church. Rev. 1:19 says Write the things you have seen, the things which are and the things that will take take place after this. Or after the things of the church.
After speaking of the signs leading up to His return in Lk 21 He tells us to "Pray always that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that will take place and to stand before the son of man. They will assure us that we will be protected even as rev 13: 7 tells us "It was granted to him(antichrist) to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation." Your probably aware of all this.
Come before the seven year!
Thank you Ptr. David Rosenthal. The end tmes sequence of the pre-wrath rapture gets very clear here. Post-Trib, Pre-Wrath. When we understand this, the bible verses will never have conflict. It will speak plainly to us. "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." - John 16:33. God bless.
Martha said to him, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day."
John 11:24 (ESV) Rapture in the same moment.
So,Sir,2 Thess 2 is not a "christain apostasy"?
When you say prewrath rapture, do you mean the pretribulation rapture Pastor? Thank you for your help in understanding the end times. May the Lord bless your ministry.
He is speaking on a pist tribulation pre wrath rapture of the church.
There are two words in the Greek in Revelation that are often confused: thelipsis (?spelling), which means tribulation or trouble, the other word is orgae, which means wrath or anger. Christians will go through trouble and the great tribulation but the Father will rescue us, snatching us away, before he pours out his anger, wrath upon the earth.
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The tribulation lasts until the millennial kingdom.
@@willpower6720 I agree. I don't think you can arbitrarily separate out the great tribulation of the 2nd half from the Day of the Lord. They are both just part of the last 3 1/2 years, with the wrath of God being part of the great tribuation.
Take note: The KEY TIME FACTOR here is WHEN the appearance of the 2 WITNESSES/Prophets of God in relation to the 7-year Tribulation... The TIME allotted for them to Preach is 3.5 years (1260 Days) + 3.5 Days (their death/resurrection) =1263.5 Days and then, they will be taken to Heaven by God... If they start in the Middle of the 7-year Tribulation, they will go beyond by 3.5 days after the Tribulation has ended... therefore, the 1st RESURRECTION and RAPTURE will take place while the 2 Witnesses are still Preaching until the Wrath of God comes in while they are still Preaching till the End... but does not make any sense that the CHURCH is gone, while the 2 Witnesses are still preaching to finish the allotted time given by God. logically speaking...
After the Man of Sin is revealed in the middle of the 70th week, there will be a great falling away of Christians! 2 Thes. 2:3-4
The "falling away" in that text speaks of the rapture of the church. If you're not familiar with the argument & what that text is actually saying, I'll be more than glad to go over it.
Post Trib, pre wrath…sure. If you separate the two…But we’re still gonna be here with immortal bodies. We’re gonna be here through it all…but we will be changed at his return, then the wrath is poured out.
The problem with this message is that there is no such thing as a 7 year tribulation in the book of Daniel. I challenge anyone to prove that from Daniel 9. If in doubt have another look at it and come back.
"Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, & of the end of the age?” And Jesus answered & said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ & will deceive many. And you will hear of wars & rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, & kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, & earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then they will deliver you up to tribulation & kill you, & you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, & will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up & deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. But he who endures to the end shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, & then the end will come."-Matthew 24:3-14
"Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ & our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, & the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes & exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth & destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, & lying wonders, & with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."-IIThessalonians 2:1-12
Where does the 7 year period come from. Which scriptures please 😊
From their mental gymnastics 😂
Daniel 9:24
From Daniel 9. A week of years (70th week) yet to go. Also Revelation (3 1/2 + 3 1/2).
Amen
Hopefully, many will come to understand the pre-wrath rapture, once they understand the difference between man's tribulation against man vs. G_d's wrath.
Terrible teaching. The 6th seal is Matthew 24 22. And Matthew 24 29-31 is the day of the 7th trumpet and in the book of Revelation that is Rev 14 14.
Many believers will be left behind. And they will see how this teaching didn't teach Rev 13 5-7 would occur. Saints from all nations will be given into the hands of the antichrist for 3.5 years. Many will see this teaching didn't teach Israel will be hid for 1260 days in the 2nd half with Rev 12 6.
Nothing in Matthew 24 can stop Rev 13 5-7 and Rev 12 6. Those prophecies will occur for the entire 2nd half.
The great tribulation will be shortened for the sake of 144,000 from Israel. The trumpet judgments will start for the sake of 144,000 from Israel with Matthew 24 22. They will be sealed on their foreheads. The 144,000 will be the most important group in Daniel's 70th week.
What kind of person teaches Daniel 7 25 and Rev 13 5-7 will not occur. The person doing this video essentially is saying they will not come true for 42 months.
What about Romans 1:18?
I genuinely don't understand how anyone who has researched this subject can still defend pre-trib. I just don't get it. Is it clinging to ideology over the word of God, or is it ignorance? Either way, there's no excuse for the pastors. They shouldn't be putting man's ideology over God's word, and they definitely shouldn't be ignorant concerning the word of God.
Almost too funny, as I really almost could state the same thing about those who align with the "POST" position, but I won't. So tell me, what's THEE defining passage in your opinion that supports the "POST" position?
Because the certification process requires this indoctrination of pretrib. I've asked several pastors to help me understand the pretrib view as it would ease my mind a lot of the future. Yet none will even try because they can't defend it
There is good evidence for pretrial, midtrib, etc. But in the end literally we will see
I think it’s fear and pride that keeps them blind. They can’t understand how much God loves them so think it’s wrong and nasty for Him to not take them away before they get their faith tested
@@Kman.How about when Jesus said He was coming AFTER THE TRIBULATION to gather His elect in Matthew 24? How about when the bible says the antichrist will wear out the saints Daniel 7? How about when the bible says all those who were martyred and wouldn't take the mark of the beast will be resurrected and raptured by Jesus when He returns Revelation 20?
An excellent message that explains the pre wrath position very well. As a pre wrath post tribulationalist I have a couple questions. 1. In Matt. 24:29-31 Jesus says "immediately after the tribulation of those day" the sign shall appear, the trumpet sounds and the elect are gathered. Wouldn't that put the rapture post trib.? 2. I Cor. 15:52 "the last trump" you said the Corinthians would not have known about the seventh trumpet of the Revelation but would have understood about the trumpet of a Jewish feast. God could easily have revealed to Paul the time of the last trump of the Revelation, He may have inspired Paul to write about the trumpet sound not fully understanding it or more likely Paul had read about it himself if the Revelation was written early as many believe. After all, John would have been around 90-100 y/o and Rev. 10:11 says God had much more work for him. Wouldn't it have been a difficult task for a 100 y/o person? Also, Paul was not writing to Jewish believers but rather gentiles who would not necessarily have understood the seventh trumpet in a Jewish feast any more than most people would today. Hope I don't sound like I am arguing as I am still learning and curious on your option.
I've got a couple questions for you, knowing how you define y/self...
_"In Matt. __24:29__-31 Jesus says "immediately after the tribulation of those day" the sign shall appear, the trumpet sounds and the elect are gathered. Wouldn't that put the rapture post trib.?:_
*REPLY:* Where's the church in this passage? "ELECT" do not identify the church. The word is found *3x* in the passage, & none of them speak of the church. Then too, at the RAPTURE, we simply rise to meet Christ in the air, right?
That passage in *Matt 24* where there's a "GATHERING", we find ANGELS are dispatched to "gather" people up...would that not disqualify it from the rapture? Add to that, that "gathering" takes place here on earth, whereas @ the RAPTURE, it's s/thing that will take place in the air.
To understand the wonderful truth of the pre trib rapture, one must be saved
Are you actually implying that those who don't agree with the Pre-Trib view are not saved?
Do I understand he is actually talking abit the original mid trip rapture. He just say that the wrath of God ie. The day of the Lord.
But what about, no one will expect it.
Good teaching. How do we reconcile a rapture that is clear in revelation 7 with revelation 20:5 putting the first resurrection post trib? Thank you!
The ones who came out of the Tribulation were beheaded... they did NOT get a harpazo
In Revelation 20:4, you have two groups... ones sitting on thrones who did NOT get a resurrection, and you have the beheaded saints, who were ALL beheaded. Zero are changed, caught up in the clouds and in the air to meet Jesus, see 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 for the Rapture sequence. Everything happens IN THE CLOUDS and IN THE AIR.
The tribulation ends in Matthew 24:29 with the signs in sun, moon, and stars. This corresponds with Revelation 6:12-14. Therefore the rapture is occurring after the tribulation, but before God's wrath in flaming fire with mighty angels in Revelation 8. Just as we read in 2nd Thessalonians 1:6-10. Our trouble ends (the Great Tribulation) and God repays with tribulation (God's wrath) those who troubled us.
Those martyrs in Revelation 20 are the same ones we read about in the 5th seal in Revelation 6. The antichrist begins to wage war after the abomination of desolation (Revelation 13:5-7, Daniel 7:21-22) and this great tribulation lasts from Matthew 24:15 to Matthew 24:29. The 5th seal martyrs and those in Revelation 20 are being martyred in this time period in Matthew. Then they are resurrected along with the rapture of the living at Matthew 24:31 with the gathering of the elect. This corresponds with Mark 13:27 and Luke 21:28. This is the Day of the Lord commencing and is not Revelation 19, this is the resurrection and rapture at Revelation 6 & 7 just before God's wrath in Revelation 8. They will be with those in Revelation 19:14 who return with Christ at Armageddon and they will live to reign with Christ during the millennium. This is why they are mentioned here in Revelation 20. The resurrection is not occurring at this time, but the millennium which they take part in is commencing.
@@Pre-Tribulation I'm afraid you misunderstood the question as well as not understanding God's Word. I pray the Holy Spirit will lead you into all understanding if you will only ask with an open heart.
In order for those Saints that were beheaded for refusing the Mark of the Beast to take part in the 1st resurrection - it would mean that 1st resurrection occurs AFTER the Mark of the Beast and Satan's Wrath of the Great Tribulation.
Jesus said he would Raise the Dead "at the last day" four times in John chapter 6. Please read John 6:39-40,44, 54 and Matt. 13:24-30, 36-43 especially verses 39,40 and 49 "so shall it be at the End of the World"
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation: (book not in chronological order )
Christ returns one time in the future. However, there are several different visions of His return shown from different perspectives in the Book of Revelation.
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked before that time? Are there wicked angels in the pit in Rev. 9:11? If the beast "ascends" from the pit in Rev. chapter 11, where was the beast before that time?
Does your view agree with Peter in 2 Pet. 2:4, and Jude in Jude 1:6, when they both said wicked angels are already in chains of darkness?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
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QUESTIONS:... In Matt. 24:22 narrates that, if the Great Troubles/Tribulation (AntiChrist Persecution) will not be cut short (shortened), there will be no survivor from the People of God...
Q1?... When the Dreadful Day of the Lord comes (Wrath of God/Day of the Lord) will there be survivors from the Evil People?
Q2?... Surel;y there will be LEFT BEHIND People without the Mark of the Beast (both Christians and Non-Christians) after the Rapture Event, will they all survive the Wrath of God?
Q3?... Who will fight the Battle of Armageddon at the Foot of Mt. Megiddo, Israel... Immortal People of God ...VS... Mortal People of Satan?... it seems NO MATCH since the People of God will never taste the "Second Death."... even Satan knew it would be a waste of time...
Q4?... If Satan knew very well ahead of time that the Battle of Armageddon had no chance for him to win (Immortal VS. Mortal Combat), logically speaking, why fight the battle that has no literal chance to win?... that is called SUICIDE for all Mortal Men,
Q5?... How could you send your mortal men into the battlefield knowing they will all die for they are NO MATCH with the IMMORTAL People of God?
Q6?... How can Mortal Men fight the Immortal Men if they will never taste the Second Death?... Even if Satan gives more power to the Mortal Men, in the end, they will be defeated 100%
Perhaps it is not about Winning the Battle of Armageddon and Gog at Magog after the Millenial Reign of Christ... for Satan knew the MISMATCH already ahead of time... but to bring more people to Hell with Him and His Angels, that is Satan's winning victory / crowning glory and not the battle itself...
I hope and pray that my family and I will not be LEFT BEHIND, but if I am, I pray that no loved ones be by my side, for Satan will use them against my Freewill, for I am already preparing and preconditioning my Heart, Mind, Soul, and Strength to freely DIE without a fight for Spiritual Cause of my Soul... Praise be to God in Christ... Amen
I would say there is another possibility to the rapture and the discussion of it occurring at the last trumpet. We do see that there is something mysterious occurring at the last trumpet according to Revelation 10:7 and Revelation 11:18. We do see the dead receiving their rewards here. Does this mean the rapture occurs here? Or does this just mean that they receive their rewards or receive their change here?
Remember Isaiah 26:19-21 says the dead are raised and enter their chambers, closing their doors behind them until the indignation is past. This is like Matthew 25:10. Once the indignation is past, the bride then comes out of her chambers with the bridegroom; Joel 2:16. We see this in Revelation 19. And the bride is wearing bright and clean linens; Revelation 19:8. We see the destruction of the antichrist in Joel 2:20 and Revelation 19:20. So, Joel 2 covers Revelation 6 thru Revelation 19. We have according to Joel 2:15 a sacred assembly, a gathering, which sanctifies the congregation... and then the bridegroom and bride come to save the remnant of Israel as we see in Revelation 19. We even see a mention of the locust army from Revelation 9, here in Joel 2:25.
So... when does the rapture occur and when does the change into bright and clean linens occur?
1st Corinthians 15 indicates our change occurs in a twinkling of an eye... not the rapture. There may be a mistake in thinking these two things happen at the same time.
Actually Isaiah 52:10-12 indicates the rapture is not hasty.... and that every eye will see the salvation of our God. Note the command to be "clean" here just as the bride is wearing bright and clean linens in Revelation 19:8.
There's a space of time from Revelation 7:9 when the bride enters her chambers and then Revelation 11 and 19 when she receives her change into bright and clean linens. It's not instantaneous. At least not instantaneous as it pertains to the rapture. Our change will be instantaneous in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. But we will have already escaped and been hiding in our chambers as Isaiah 26 says, since the start of the Day of the Lord back at the 6th seal, when the indignation or wrath of God was declared and innumerable multitude is found in heaven. According to Revelation 9 and the 5th Trumpet, there's at least 5 months separating the 6th seal and the 7th trumpet.
Again, read 1st Corinthians 15 carefully. What happens in the twinkling of an eye? The resurrection and rapture? Or our change? And do these things happen simultaneously or is there a significant portion of time between the rapture and our change?
If Jesus doesn't know when he's coming back then I don't believe anyone else can know. Just be prepared and ready at all times because He is coming back no matter if you're pre trib, mid trib or post trib.
exactly
if seal five includes all martyrs, then the rapture hasn't happened yet as the martyrs in the fifth seal haven't received their resurrection bodies yet. Also according to Joel 2 the day of the Lord occurs after the celestial signs
Actually Jesus said that from the "Beginning of Birth Pangs" to the "End" will be the span of a generation, not 7 years (Mat 24:34).
2029 aphous how's that for a cosmic disturbance
So if your saved by graced and end up as the generation that the last 7 years place in, you have to refuse the mark or go to hell? Unlucky?
The trump of God, the trumpet Jesus blows to send the angels to gather the elect, the "last trumpet" is a reference to Zechariah 9:14-16. It is God who blows the trumpet there, not an angel. Paul taught out of the Old Testament, not out of dreams or visions. Jesus also referred to this passage in the Olivet Discourse, hence the illustration of His coming being like lightning, because it refers back to Zechariah 9 where the Lord's arrow goes forth as lightning.
It also refers to Isa 27:13.