Alex, really appreciate your content and everything you are doing for the combat robot community! Super stoked to be the “Spiritual Brother” to cheesecake. Look forward to our next fight! Keep up the great work 👍
Cheesecake's record (as of video) Official fights: 41(37)-15(7) Exhibition fights 2(1)-2(2)-1 Though Cheesecake's record may have broken the 40 win barrier and earned its first exhibition wins, it has come at a great cost. Quite an unfortunate showing, culture shock is nothing to mess with. Based on what we have seen there are a few issues that need to be addressed: grip, power, and new iterations of control bots. It will definitely be interesting to see how Alex addresses these. Hard luck this time around but goodluck to anyone who wants to take a bite of Cheesecake.
What really impresses me about Free Throw is its ability to just bend away when it takes a hit on the back. You got some solid hits, but I think it was able to deflect a lot of that energy . And despite flopping around like that, it regained control quickly!
that what my brain was thinking too, hard to make a lot of contact onto a surface that can just wobble and bounce away before cheesecake can grab onto them.
I found myself rooting for Cheesecake like I do my local football team. Sad to see him only go 2:2 but what a ride. Makes for a good redemption arc for Cheesecake too as he heads back out West next year for revenge 😂
@@dirtdart81 That's fair. I was thinking how much magnets helped LowLowMan, but I forgot to consider the fact that LowLowMan is low. The only other option I see working then is fatter wheels, but Cheesecake doesn't have the space or the spare weight to take fatter wheels
Before this video came out I was checking the channel for new videos over and over, and eventually spoiled the video by looking up the tournament and seeing what place everyone got.
Congrats on the sponsorship! Free Throw is a tough bot, very similar to Coleman's NHRL champion 12lb Full Court which is almost the same but way bigger except its a few inches shy of 6ft long, and has two little self righting arms which at the time qualified as an active weapon (2024 NHRL rules did ban this approach however). And of course who can forget the original SMEEEEEEEEEEEE in the 3lb class which was very successful in its day.
Timothy's Tips: -Give Cheesecake better traction on steel, such as probably a magnet to keep on the ground. -Unlike SMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, Free Throw has a sturdy frame that doesn't bend, proving the point that minivits are better than SMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE is true. -Use the sweet tooth against low-ground bots like Free Throw to keep on the ground and gain traction.
I am starting to be a fan. Love Cheesecake!! Thank you for sharing your journey with us. I want to see more. Like your new battle bot for the beetle division. Maybe you will introduce us to it in this video. Cheers!
Some improvements I’ve thought of is a wide sweet tooth for bots with forks and also changing your side armor to tpu and maybe getting a bigger battery
funny battle bot idea: two small bots, one goes fast and has a lot of torque and has a big pike that can shoot out at high speeds, completely stabbing the crap outta the opposing robot, and getting itself stuck in the process, extremely slowing the opposing robot, the other acting as a vertical spinner spinning downward to chop at the unguarded parts of the now immobilised opposing robot.
That's a good idea! I didn't trust myself to drive backwards without fishtailing, but I should probably try to make that work for the reason you described, because that would be sick.
I don't think that would work sadly. I get the idea, but angled down would just make it so that the angle between the blade and the wedge gets even worse. Angled up would do it, but then you can't slip it under the other robot.
Great video as always, and I love the cut-ins of your references with their source. When you did the "Worf says 9th place" one I subscribed immediately. That lives in my head rent-free and comes out every time I hear anyone say 9th anything.
Another crazy idea: as the blade is slighty angled, you should get some gyro by spinning the robot. Is it possible to put it on its side voluntarily? So turning it into an unexpected vertical spinner. And to give it a little bit of movement, turn the side armor into bristles.
cheesecake didn't fair the best, but it did pretty well considering these were some of the best in the nation. And you got a lot of really valuable data, especially about your weapon collet. it also seemed like a lot of fun too.
Hey, hold on, this took place like 10 minutes from my house. I'll have to check it out next year! Been really fun to watch the development of Cheesecake.
Just adding some electrical tape to the wheels might be a cheap, temporary solution for more grip on the steel floor that doesn't add much weight and is easy to replace.
Perhaps you could detect big hits and reverse the weapon spin to immediately have it bounce back to a good (reverse) speed. That might reduce the power drain to spin the weapon back up and it may also help prevent the big spins throwing cheesecake all over the arena by channeling that momentum back into the weapon
Awesome, I'm glad to have you here! Eh, MN is pretty far for a regular tournament, and I'm pretty busy working on my 3lb robot, but I'd love to hit up the Midwest again sometime!
I could imagine that it would be advantageous for you to try jumps (like in the fight against Free Throw) backwards. So that you don't have to turn Cheesecake, to aim your weapon at the opponent.
I enjoy seeing what happens when cheesecake loses because I enjoy seeing your analysis of why that happened and plans to improve cheesecake's performance in the future.
In addition to the new mount, the weapon disk should also receive some attention. Looks like it was bending at the tip causing much or your vibration issues.
ohhh poor, poor cheesecake... still, having this be one of cheesecake's only bad showings is nothing to sneeze at! let's see if he can't beat the westcoast robros next time
wow I love how people just bring snowplow bots with no active weapon and just turn to face the other bot without ever moving towards them! So fun! Free throw winning is actually so stupid.
are studded or spiked wheels allowed? the problem with the low-friction floor seems to be 2-fold, not only do you go flying, you don't get to actually impart any energy into the thing you hit. I do have a very silly idea about an alternative way of generating grip via suction but it's almost certainly too fragile and not doable within your weight constraints
The Judge's decision with Freethrow is such a letdown. I'll agree with 4 out of 5 for damage due to no major disabling action, but at the same time how are they going to give him 1 for causing no damage? You also got robbed by only getting a 1 in aggression. At no point were you actively avoiding the clash so how they could come to such a boneheaded conclusion is beyond me. That and if they're going to give Freethrow a pity point in damage you should have gotten the same in control. Fight should have definitely been scored Cheesecake 4/2/0 to Freethrow 0/2/3 in favor of Cheesecake. Sorry you got robbed but I'm glad you can take the L as well as you show us in the edit.
I think the metal floors in California are not optimal for 1lb bots. A 250lb bot would have no problem, but I think it would be helpful for ant weights to compete on wooden floors. Leave metal floors for much heavier bots.
I think the sweet tooth might have helped against free throw to rip out his forks, having bad traction was the biggest problem for sure, Cheesecake lives off strong mobility.
I dont know how much spare weight you have in cheesecake, but what about a new set of wheels for steel floors with the magnets built into the wheels? Have a search for "wheel magnets wall robot/s" for some ideas!!!
Could Cheesecake have enough speed to jump Free Throw going backwards so as to be ready to immediately charge into Free Throw's back? Not that doing that on an unfamiliar floor would have been easy.
Hi Alex I have been loving watching cheescake and I am currently making my own bot and i have a question maybe you have mentioned it already and I'm deaf but how close is cheescake to the weight limit?
It depends which attachments I'm using. Without the Cake Slice or Sweet Tooth, Cheesecake currently weighs around 435 grams (the weight limit is 454 grams).
damn a sponsor. congrats cool to to see that's channel getting some proper attention
Facts
The metal floors certainly did you no favours. Where you normally have very good driving, free throw had such good grip in comparison.
Magnetic feet?
Alex, really appreciate your content and everything you are doing for the combat robot community! Super stoked to be the “Spiritual Brother” to cheesecake. Look forward to our next fight! Keep up the great work 👍
good work in the first fight!
Cheesecake's record (as of video)
Official fights:
41(37)-15(7)
Exhibition fights
2(1)-2(2)-1
Though Cheesecake's record may have broken the 40 win barrier and earned its first exhibition wins, it has come at a great cost. Quite an unfortunate showing, culture shock is nothing to mess with. Based on what we have seen there are a few issues that need to be addressed: grip, power, and new iterations of control bots. It will definitely be interesting to see how Alex addresses these. Hard luck this time around but goodluck to anyone who wants to take a bite of Cheesecake.
What really impresses me about Free Throw is its ability to just bend away when it takes a hit on the back. You got some solid hits, but I think it was able to deflect a lot of that energy . And despite flopping around like that, it regained control quickly!
that what my brain was thinking too, hard to make a lot of contact onto a surface that can just wobble and bounce away before cheesecake can grab onto them.
Aw man, it really pains me to see poor cheesecake get such a low score, good luck in your next tournament, though!
Chesecake sure makes for interesting fights the way it throws itself around whenever its weapon hits the floor.
I found myself rooting for Cheesecake like I do my local football team. Sad to see him only go 2:2 but what a ride. Makes for a good redemption arc for Cheesecake too as he heads back out West next year for revenge 😂
Have you considered adding magnets to the top and bottom plates for when you're going to be on steel floors? Could add some much needed traction
also adds weight if you want sufficiently strong magnets to give enough weight
@@fromfin90 well i mean small magnets dont really need to be that strong, only strong enough to allow cheese cake to grip the steel floor better
Magnets only pull hard when they're really close to the ferrous object. Even the small clearance cheesecake has, it isn't worth the weight
@@dirtdart81 idk if this actually exists but what about a strip of ‘magnetic foil’ or a really thin magnetic metal loop as the tread for the wheels
@@dirtdart81 That's fair. I was thinking how much magnets helped LowLowMan, but I forgot to consider the fact that LowLowMan is low. The only other option I see working then is fatter wheels, but Cheesecake doesn't have the space or the spare weight to take fatter wheels
Before this video came out I was checking the channel for new videos over and over, and eventually spoiled the video by looking up the tournament and seeing what place everyone got.
Congrats on the sponsorship!
Free Throw is a tough bot, very similar to Coleman's NHRL champion 12lb Full Court which is almost the same but way bigger except its a few inches shy of 6ft long, and has two little self righting arms which at the time qualified as an active weapon (2024 NHRL rules did ban this approach however). And of course who can forget the original SMEEEEEEEEEEEE in the 3lb class which was very successful in its day.
Cheesecake is back!
For another slice! Badumpch
Timothy's Tips:
-Give Cheesecake better traction on steel, such as probably a magnet to keep on the ground.
-Unlike SMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE, Free Throw has a sturdy frame that doesn't bend, proving the point that minivits are better than SMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE is true.
-Use the sweet tooth against low-ground bots like Free Throw to keep on the ground and gain traction.
Go Cheesecake!
New mood unlocked: Deatharang in a pyramid.
I am starting to be a fan. Love Cheesecake!! Thank you for sharing your journey with us. I want to see more. Like your new battle bot for the beetle division. Maybe you will introduce us to it in this video. Cheers!
Some improvements I’ve thought of is a wide sweet tooth for bots with forks and also changing your side armor to tpu and maybe getting a bigger battery
Weight
funny battle bot idea: two small bots, one goes fast and has a lot of torque and has a big pike that can shoot out at high speeds, completely stabbing the crap outta the opposing robot, and getting itself stuck in the process, extremely slowing the opposing robot, the other acting as a vertical spinner spinning downward to chop at the unguarded parts of the now immobilised opposing robot.
Have you thought driving in reverse over wedge robots? So you are immediately right way around to hit from behind.
That's a good idea! I didn't trust myself to drive backwards without fishtailing, but I should probably try to make that work for the reason you described, because that would be sick.
Wait whay is fishtailing? @@alexsalchemy
Could an angled cake slice maybe be used as another alternate addition for fights against super low profile bots like wedge #2?
I don't think that would work sadly. I get the idea, but angled down would just make it so that the angle between the blade and the wedge gets even worse. Angled up would do it, but then you can't slip it under the other robot.
Great video as always, and I love the cut-ins of your references with their source. When you did the "Worf says 9th place" one I subscribed immediately. That lives in my head rent-free and comes out every time I hear anyone say 9th anything.
Can’t believe how quality well done your videos always are for such a small channel! I watch every one. I wish you much success:)
I love that Cheesecake inspired a fleet of similar food-themed horizontal spinners
5:40
This is like some sports anime tier strategy if we're treating Tiramisu as the protagonist lol
Fantastic tourney. I'm really enjoying the ant weight combat. Thanks.
Even though you didn't win this is still pretty cool! Thanks for sharing!
Another crazy idea: as the blade is slighty angled, you should get some gyro by spinning the robot. Is it possible to put it on its side voluntarily? So turning it into an unexpected vertical spinner.
And to give it a little bit of movement, turn the side armor into bristles.
Never forget that failure is the best teacher. When we stop failing, we stop learning.
absolute banger
"i'll try spinning that's a good trick" got me laughing way harder than it should have.
keep going bro i fucking love seeing cheesecakes journey through the ranks! love from australia
chanting " CHEESECAKE CHEESAKE" !!!!!
You are such a wonderful sport!!! I hope you have kids.
Your videos regularly break 10k and one video breaks 500k you deserve it. And the storytelling is always very good.
maaaaan, i wanted cheesecake to go up and beyond. he's the best little boy.
Fantastic selection of Cheesecake fights and more. You do a great job narrating the videos too.
Thank you very much!
8:55 when I saw that Cheesecake put on the chonky weapon, I literally yelled "OH LAWD HE COMIN" 😂😂
8:50 THE CHONKERSSSS!!!
23:43 You turned into a vertical spinner by spinning horizontally your horizontal weapon bearing bot ahah
Great to see more man, can't wait for the other weights you plan to get into, and for that team name hopefully.
cheesecake didn't fair the best, but it did pretty well considering these were some of the best in the nation. And you got a lot of really valuable data, especially about your weapon collet. it also seemed like a lot of fun too.
I love seeing cheesecakes journey even the lows
Hey, hold on, this took place like 10 minutes from my house.
I'll have to check it out next year! Been really fun to watch the development of Cheesecake.
Having no grip on those steel floors was killer. Great fights though! Curious to see how you combat that if you get to do more West Coast stuff!
The RCL was definitely a brutal tournament but it was still a fun time. Great seeing you again! Will you be going to the Sussex County GSCRL event?
was fun seeing your fights! Hope you eventually switch to a hub-system like Andrew's Malice, I guarantee you'll find a noticeable jump in reliability.
Cheesecake vs Tiramisu?
I call that the Battle of the Deserts' Sweet wits
Just adding some electrical tape to the wheels might be a cheap, temporary solution for more grip on the steel floor that doesn't add much weight and is easy to replace.
At the start it felt like rewatching Cars 3 where the lighting McQueen started losing to the new racers
Put the curve in Cheesecake's rear armor the other direction and flare it down i to a wedge. That will give you another option for attack.
Perhaps you could detect big hits and reverse the weapon spin to immediately have it bounce back to a good (reverse) speed.
That might reduce the power drain to spin the weapon back up
and it may also help prevent the big spins throwing cheesecake all over the arena by channeling that momentum back into the weapon
Great video as always Alex!
Chese cake seems to have a lot of cousins
The steel floor seems pretty nasty for cheesecake with how much force it throws into those walls.
As the time I make this comment cheese cakes fight record is now 19 fights lost and 56 fights won
16:57 um ackshually dulce de lucha was still in🤓
Really enjoying cheesecakes journey!
Just found your content! Very well put together and extremely entertaining to watch. Any chance you'll be hitting up the MN match?
Awesome, I'm glad to have you here! Eh, MN is pretty far for a regular tournament, and I'm pretty busy working on my 3lb robot, but I'd love to hit up the Midwest again sometime!
Ever consider adding a gyro? Some rx comes with one built-in. It might help give more control on the slippery surface.
23:42 never thought I would see a top attack horizontal
We need a dark green wedge bot named Claymore with 'FRONT TOWARD ENEMY' written on it.
That's a wedgebot I could love.
deatharang is absolutely the coolest bot iv seen even if its not super effective
Would you consider adding a fan to make a vacuum under the bot to keep it stuck to the floor a little better?
I could imagine that it would be advantageous for you to try jumps (like in the fight against Free Throw) backwards. So that you don't have to turn Cheesecake, to aim your weapon at the opponent.
I enjoy seeing what happens when cheesecake loses because I enjoy seeing your analysis of why that happened and plans to improve cheesecake's performance in the future.
definitely think you want to be reversing over bots like free throw, means you can engage them with you weapon much quicker once behind
In addition to the new mount, the weapon disk should also receive some attention. Looks like it was bending at the tip causing much or your vibration issues.
Yeah, Cheesecake is hitting pretty hard now, so his weapon bar might actually be a weak link, haha.
Maybe a small groove in the wheels so you could add a rubberband or something to gain some grip.. :)
ohhh poor, poor cheesecake... still, having this be one of cheesecake's only bad showings is nothing to sneeze at! let's see if he can't beat the westcoast robros next time
for the fight cheesecake vs vector, who was flippin playing pinball from a arcade place
A more suitable wheel for the slippery metal arena may be in order.
wow I love how people just bring snowplow bots with no active weapon and just turn to face the other bot without ever moving towards them! So fun! Free throw winning is actually so stupid.
I wonder if there is something you could do with stickier tire material or some way to reduce cheesecakes spinning after every big hit.
wedge 2 and iron wedge have double boss fight energy
You mentioned Mudskipper didn't show up, I can't think of any MRCA ants that went to RCL. I know a few qualified too.
i love cheesecake
CHEESCAKE!
There doesn't seem to be any robot fighting groups out here in Phoenix, otherwise I think I'd get into this hobby
If the floor was slippery enough for your wheels to free spin, that could also be draining your battery power
his commentary calms me
are studded or spiked wheels allowed? the problem with the low-friction floor seems to be 2-fold, not only do you go flying, you don't get to actually impart any energy into the thing you hit.
I do have a very silly idea about an alternative way of generating grip via suction but it's almost certainly too fragile and not doable within your weight constraints
It was so nice to meet up!
whooo! sponsors
The Judge's decision with Freethrow is such a letdown. I'll agree with 4 out of 5 for damage due to no major disabling action, but at the same time how are they going to give him 1 for causing no damage? You also got robbed by only getting a 1 in aggression. At no point were you actively avoiding the clash so how they could come to such a boneheaded conclusion is beyond me. That and if they're going to give Freethrow a pity point in damage you should have gotten the same in control. Fight should have definitely been scored Cheesecake 4/2/0 to Freethrow 0/2/3 in favor of Cheesecake. Sorry you got robbed but I'm glad you can take the L as well as you show us in the edit.
I think the metal floors in California are not optimal for 1lb bots. A 250lb bot would have no problem, but I think it would be helpful for ant weights to compete on wooden floors. Leave metal floors for much heavier bots.
RIP east coast team. Getting in to battlebot's myself, looking forward to competing with you in an east coast ring one day!
I think the sweet tooth might have helped against free throw to rip out his forks, having bad traction was the biggest problem for sure, Cheesecake lives off strong mobility.
I dont know how much spare weight you have in cheesecake, but what about a new set of wheels for steel floors with the magnets built into the wheels?
Have a search for "wheel magnets wall robot/s" for some ideas!!!
Deatherang ... I like your chaotic style.
I think the lower traction floor may also have been a mitigating factor on your energy consumption issues.
Beetle weight, here we come!
love the good pointed cut scenes 🤣
would there be any major difference to cheesecake if you were to tilt the spinner by 10-30º?
17:44 that’s another CZcamsrs battle bot!
Could Cheesecake have enough speed to jump Free Throw going backwards so as to be ready to immediately charge into Free Throw's back? Not that doing that on an unfamiliar floor would have been easy.
Do you think you'd run magnets if you fight out west again? I've seen them get real popular out west.
I thought you had cleet wheels to combat the lack of traction of the floor?
Hi Alex I have been loving watching cheescake and I am currently making my own bot and i have a question maybe you have mentioned it already and I'm deaf but how close is cheescake to the weight limit?
It depends which attachments I'm using. Without the Cake Slice or Sweet Tooth, Cheesecake currently weighs around 435 grams (the weight limit is 454 grams).
Just gotta work on some grippy shoes for cheese cake to fight on metal and she'll be right.
I'm going to add cheese cakes record to his fight record later
Grude match
What about reversing over wedges etc?