IEMs are for losers (The Truth)
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- čas přidán 23. 06. 2024
- IEMs are one of the worst mediums you can use for accurate sound reproduction and essentially the only people who use them at this point are clowns.
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cope
@@Sharur1 no
Ive spent literally thousands of hours measuring and tuning speaker systems. Iems will never come close. You can sit here and regurgitate the crap you read on reddit but the reality is that sharur is right about iems. If you're SERIOUS about audio, iems will never be acoustically adequate
@@niccster1061If there's anything, what would you recommend for cheap (
Only mr bean is better
Over ears are for noobs. Just go to a real music performance and appreciate this clear, clean, open sound. Even listening speakers in your room doesnt come close to a real live performance. Lets just stop listening to the music at all and go to a concerts 2-3 times a year.
Not gonna be possible, with the musician I listen to the most
Future Sharur: ears are for losers, you have only 2 whereas you have sound coming from all directions.
no
@@Sharur1 come on.. You gotta do it, now
Hahahahaha
thank you bipolar indian earphone man
alexa remind me in 2 months to check if bipolar indian man has released 3 videos saying iems are good again and everything else sucks because he rediscovered foam tips
🙏🙏🙏
I wouldn't say he's bipolar, he's just an over confident narcissist lol
It's time to cancel our apartments guys and move into the woods if need be
just use over ears
@@Sharur1 use them all its fine hahaha. The danger is the obsession in expecting perfection or at least always thinking that there can be perfection. I've wasted over 40 years of my life thinking that way and just learned to lighten up in the end. I used to be Sharur looking for the holy grail hahaha
Man my Truthear Novas JUST CAME IN 😭
rip
get 6xx
Sorry bro you're a loser now and so am i 😢
And has you based your decision on a guy that's a literally living clickbait?
@@luigismilazzo Of course, he was right about the truth ear novas being amazing, they blow my blessing 3’s out of the water
he finally understands...
Are there any decent headphones or IEMs for under $500, other than the Truthear Nova, for use when the LCD-5 is out of reach budget-wise?
6xx
Damn, are we on the endgame now? Waiting for sharur to get a girlfriend for peak enlightenment.
If Z Reviews can get a girl then Sharur can, have faith Sharur.. i believe in you!
4chan will not like this
real
How is the soundstage on the lcd-5?
very good for headphone
He finally got it
yes
Have you looked into getting a Smyth Realizer?
yes but no
Now I gotta sell my novas and get hd 650 😔
if you don't have speakers you probably want both
@@Neucher I have speakers, but I can’t listen to speakers in the gym or during my morning walk
@@Neucher What if i want you?
What would you bring with you when traveling/on vacation?
lcd-5
@@Sharur1 To the beach too?
@@Sharur1 whoa that's hardcore
Obviously they are but its clear that some Chinese guy with glasses will knock on your door for sharing this fact with wider public. God knows what else he is capable of doing to maintain his grip on reality.
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What about using optimal audio spatialisation techniques?
3d audio is dumb
Shouldn't it theoretically be possible to simulate any speaker/headphone setup though?
bro went from citing science papers to getting emotional about soundstage on headphones 😆
have you tried crossfeed algorithms to help with soundstage for iem/headphones ? we all prefer speakers over iems but we have a spouse that don't want to hear our music when in the same room :)
doesn't help
5:12 is there an EQ profile online we can download for the HD650?
i mean, you can just eq it yourself to lmg target with 5128 measurement
You're hurting my feelings.
sad
Whoa thanks. I never go outside because its either too hot or too cold. And theirs always lawn mowers and cars and stuff.
What iems do you recommend for playing video games mainly and sometimes music/tv? I need iems so i can wear my glasses and my neck wont hurt from something heavy
What about budget iems. Like around $50
This tells me tomorrow's video will be "IEMs are the best for sound reproduction"
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In my experience all headphones sound like mediocre trash at under 300 USD. While IEMs are already near their peak performance at that price range.
IEMs measure better than most Headphones so too bad.
Also, HD650 treble can't be recovered with EQ. it's not there.
@@HiFiASMR can u explain how treble can be missing? I thought treble affects what we hear from the other FR bands too.
What about the lacking bass in HD 650s? You can only EQ it up so much until it distorts - does it have enough bass for you?
i didn't find distortion to be an issue aside from linearity potentially
@@Sharur1 That’s good. How much do you boosting the bass on those?
I told that items suck 5 years ago.
Speaker>headphone>iem
Iem sounds less fun despite having better fr than most of the headphones because of its poor soundstage and presentation.
Maybe you're right, but equally sucky are TWC for the time being. Hype4 is a genuine upgrade to AirPods Pro 2 for instance which sounds very muddy in comparison.
I'm curious if you consider any closed-back headphone worthy. Thanks.
Nah
idk
Man spends 5k on headphones but ignores a homeless person for a couple of bucks. Says it all right here.
they are annoying
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do a review of the xm5 with eq
sure
@@Sharur1 thanks man
This is crazy, I just made a breakthrough with the Soundcore Space QC45 on analog this weekend, measured and made it sound much better in terms of imaging and detail compared to my dethroned Fiio Fh3. On the fun part, the best bass is still with the Fh3, even with the lack of tactility (all eq'ed a lot and measured personally). Edit: You value the soundstage aspect so naturally, you'll choose over-ears.
just get lcd-5
i have the nova and a hd600 its definitely a compromise you might say hd600 has no subbass but what subbass nova has feels negligible not much tactility compared to what very little hd600 even tho its rolled off. It is definitely a use case basis at this point and speakers space will always be a problem like you said at your last few videos and yes we cant be the noisy neighbor in an apartment for sure.
eq hd650
I was a iem man, then I bought the Sennheiser HD506S and a zen dac v2 and now iem sounds so closefront to my head, no sound stage like the senn.
Then you can do a reference list for headphones at a price point?
*Sharur touches grass once*
Sharur: audio is for loosers. Just hear nature.
What about flathead earbuds for soundstage?
Always felt they rivaled open backed headphones in that department, plus they are more convenient to bring around and use.
they have no subbass
they don't add stage
@@Neucher yes they don't, but neither do most open backed headphones
@@Sharur1 are you saying old-school flathead earbuds don't have more soundstage than IEMs?
The poor seal definitely makes them sound more open/larger soundstage.
Unless you're using a different definition of stage
There's is a difference with bass tactility where subwoofer > headphones > iems. However, for higher frequencies how much difference does the outer ear make in headphones and loudspeakers vs iems.
if you plug your ear canals with your fingers or earplugs while listening to speakers, you can still hear sound
Sharur, have you tried the Dan Clark Stealth or Expanse? You may enjoy those.
stealth, yes, and it's bad
@@Sharur1 Oh wow. What did you dislike?
@@lukerestlessstudios🤣over priced 😅
I get bored wearing iem, i only use em for gaming. While listening to music, i prefer speakers.
Thought you didn’t like eq and stuff should sound best right off the box?
No
there's no headphone that's good without eq
ok ok i feel you completely buuut, one thing they are GREAT for, is producing, and getting your low end to hit correctly.
no
@@Sharur1 bro yes 😆
And what is about electronic music gaga and what’s about other types of music sly ? Poor guy can’t afford high end stuff
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That's what happens when you don't hear any high end iem but judge them and use a cheap but "correct" graphing one.
nah i've heard many kilobuck iems noob
@@Sharur1 heard and use are two different things. Try maybe some thieaudio stuff...
You should limit the number of about-faces you make to a certain level, it is hard to follow. Some not so long time ago you didn´t even get the concept of EQ. I am just happy that I almost never follow your recommendations at face value.
what?
@@Sharur1 You were so opposed to the use of EQ for IEMs and headphones, probably because you did not understood it correctly.
Praying for an over-ear with the upper treble of the nova, without the price of the lcd-5
moondrop cosmo
@@Sharur1thank you
It was just a matter of time when Sharur say “truthear nova is a complete garbage” :D
Try a cheap earbuds like ve monk. It sound like 💩 but leave the dynamic range as is and not a tube.
nah
Any headphone or speaker recommendation under 300dollar?
6xx
@@Neucherhow abt closed back
All wearable sound reproduction devices are cope.
IEM’s do suck! That said, Apple’s Spatial Audio is pretty convincing. Same with Sony’s version and even Windows 3D audio makes a decently convincing soundstage. IEM’s are glorified hearing aids and never were intended for critical listening. Music reproduction tier list: Speakers>Open back hp’s>In ear hp’s>Shitty bt speakers>IEM’s. I’ve never heard an IEM that isn’t 90% treble w/ 10% midrange. Not to mention, one slight mistake with gain and your hearing just aged several decades in one instant.
Do you think one day technology will progress to the point where we can make the sound from an iem be indistinguishable from a speaker other than bass tactility or something
no not really
I can't tell if this video is a joke or not lol. I recently ordered the Nova's because im not a fan of wireless earbud sound quality (and having to charge the battery) and full sized headphones are too big for when im going out and also look silly in public. IEMs are perfect for me when im shopping, hiking, in bed, etc.
it's not a joke
@@Sharur1 its funny because just before this i was watching one of your videos (from a few months ago) where you said there is very little difference between headphones and IEMs from a listening perspective.
No fuss for the modern man.
True wireless overear headphones with active noise cancellation, or true wireless earbuds outside.
Speakers inside.
It didn't take long since the other video. One step closer.
sharur I just bought the kinera celest wyvern abyss, call me a loser please.
You are such a loser he won’t call you a loser
but you said sound is subjective
Imagine saying this when you haven't even heard the Anole VX or Annihilator.
I have heard the Anole VX
@@Sharur1 EQ it to Harman and listen to it using a quality desktop amp.
IEMs still provide the easiest and best way to get a smooth and desired FR, while it´s definitely true that they never, by nature, can have a considerable soundstage. But there are people that favor an accurate FR over larger soundstage. It is a matter of priorities.
flat on axis speakers have the most accurate FR, not IEMs
@@Sharur1 Flat on axis speakers are quite expensive and DSP is a hussle, a good IEM or a cheap one with EQ is straightforward.
it sounds bad regardless of the EQ
@@Sharur1But to get that accurate fr from speakers you need to also invest in acoustic room treatment, I rather have headphones at that point
SRH440? FR too jagged?
not good
@@Sharur1 What about the HD560S with EQ?
Personally, I haven’t found any form factor of producing sound to be obviously better than another. The highest resolving power I’ve ever heard is dml speakers (5W Dayton audio/foamboard). The best bass I’ve ever heard, Truthear Nova (with Qudilex 5K). The best midrange I’ve ever heard, Planar over ears. Most comfortable to wear, IEMs. Most modifiable , on ears. Best overall sound impression, still goes to the Truthear nova, beating over ear and on ear headphones for me. The content, your ears, and the listening volume matters for overall sound impression. I don’t really care about sound reproduction, which is what I assume you are talking about for this video. Yes, IEMs are really not good for natural sound reproduction, but can still sound good in the right context.
iems is horoscope for males
what
any headphone recommendation?
6xx
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lcd-5
cosmo
you're crazy but i totally agree with you, IEMs are the worst sound innovation to date. you also forgot to mention their garbage quality control, the failing rate on these things is unbelievable i lost counting how many IEM drivers have failed on me this must be by design. F these things.
sharur is the definition of ☝️🤓 “erm actually”
cope
I agree with Sharur - "good" IEMs are really annoying to wear, are vastly overpriced, and most importantly sound unrealistic compared to a good set of headphones and certainly to speakers. But wearing them does not make you a loser.
it does
It's like we need multi-speaker holographic 3D binaural surround sound up in this bitch! But I'll take a few familiar melodies in my inner ear too, tech or no tech. Cope goes both ways.
Haha this is great. Really had me going! I didn’t realize it was comedy till he talked about stepping into a gym!
cope
ngl bro i think the only reason u havent dumped lcd-5 for ur speakers is because it costed 4.5k. headphones have even less use cases than iems, or atleast nothing a pair of speakers can't do.
had you bought the DELIGHTFUL and ILLUSTRIOUS $900 MOONDROP COSMO you would've been solely using speakers
i bought lcd-5 after my speakers
because i didn't want to use shitty iems at my apartment
and i'm moving out of parents place again after summer so i'll be using lcd-5 mainly then
Mr. T use to say: "I pitty the fool".
Why are the IEM headphones bad? The sound is unbalanced and bright, and why do reviewers love this type and do not mention its flaws (I use HyperX and did not face a problem with the sound)
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Let him cook
So funny to imagine all artist/musician wearing headphones or worst speaker at stage because they think iem is for losers lmao
that's all they are for
The 🦈has been jumped and the Fonz has survived
Sharur, I bought nova cause u like it. I literally used it twice. All other time I choose air pods pro 2. Probably, all earphones are joke. Nature sounds, concerts halls are better. Here, in Ukraine, we listen siren all day long. And I might said it’s amazing. Anyway, will w8t for your next best personal audio solution in the worlds. Appreciate you!
lcd-5?
MOONDROP COSMO SUPREMACY
i love you sharour
The problem is that you are treating Harman as the perfect target curve. While it's close to being perfect for most people, it will almost never be perfect for any individual. The Truthear Nova is a very good starting point because it matches Harman very well, so it will get you about 90% there. However, the last 10% can only be achieved with EQ.
What I like to do is watch field recordings of natural sounds, such as someone walking down a street, people talking, a car passing by, a car beeping, birds chirping, wind blowing on tree leaves, the rain, waterfalls, etc. Our brain is very familiar with these natural sounds, so you will be able to identify any issues in the frequency response much easier than with music. These sounds are also very complex and will not sound correct on most headphones/IEMs without proper EQ. The recordings also tend to be very flat and accurate.
You can try to EQ whatever you have so that these sounds are as close as possible to real life. Another solution is if you have flat speakers, you can try to match whatever else you have to those speakers. Headphones have their own advantages and disadvantages, and the same goes for IEMs, but IEMs are smoother and more consistent sounding. Once you EQ them, they will usually sound better tonally.
just eq lcd-5
This video is HILARIOUS. Let's count the hypocrisy, part by part:
1. You own the Nova, yet you rip them. If they're so bad, why do you still own them? If IEMs suck, why do you still have them? Why is the Nova -- which isn't that special and is tuned to the Harman IEM curve that you supposedly hate -- your poster boy for IEMs?
2. IEMs have less soundstage than an open-back. Uh, no shit, Sherlock: Most IEMs are sealed, so they'll have less stage by design. But hey, we could all go buy the HD 800S, which are a one-trick soundstage pony with shitty overall tuning, especially in the treble. There's more to headphone tuning than soundstage.
3. You cite the HD 650/6XX as an example of soundstage in an open-back. LOL. That model is great -- I love my 6XX. It also has some of the narrowest, three-blob stage of an over-ear, open-back headphone.
4. "IEMs suck for movement in a gym. IEMs are made for people on stage singing." So, Mick Jagger and Taylor Swift never move around on a stage while wearing IEMs? They're rooted to the stage? Ho-kay ...
5. You say you would rather listen to the Truthear Nova than wireless IEMs because all wireless IEMs sound like shit. Yet, the Truthear Nova is tuned to Harman, which you also say you hate in this video. So, what is it?
I own over-ears and IEMs. Enjoy both, with use cases for both.
This video is just straight-up trolling, as usual. Comic gold.
you clearly didn't understand the video
@@Sharur1 Nice try, Sparky: I understood every word. Guess I'm just another one of those "losers" who uses IEMs and over-ears and watches your channel for pure entertainment. Clicks are clicks in Trollville, right? LOL.
On the end of the day, he is a child.
@@kellycny65imo with this video he tried to prove that he touches grass. not sure though
5:59 are you... telling me to go outside? 😲😲
Dude I'm not a clown hahaha. I use IEMs not for shooting for the holy grail of sound reproduction though 😀 I quite enjoy my orchestra lite with small sancai tips. Its the smoothest affordable option I know but mostly for my DAP for when I go to the beach or somewhere to just chill.
Also I don't think the Harman target is an accurate target for simulating good speakers in a room. It may have the basic curve but not the fine grain. This is why I usually like something a little off and fine tuned and not exactly harman. And yes 2 speakers are not like realistic sound simulation but its fun stuff, more than iems with ear resonances thats for sure.
orchestra lite is bad
@@Sharur1 hahaha but enjoying them is my only factor and I am not taking the thing as a reference. Tuning it with these small sancai tips just removes that upper bass tuck that I dislike so much in iems plus it doesn’t have a resonance peak when inserted deep enough in my ears. Those are the main unique factors that I like about them. Plus they look cool
But I know your point of frustration with iems. I kind of feel the same way when the mindset is to look for lifelike sound.
So your F ranking suddenly becomes S rank for all over ear headphones . Nice
No
Is this satire?
no
cant wait for the iems>speakers>headphones sharur arc next month
cope
best iem or ath-m50x
Listening to music is a disgrace
BTW, you're right that IEMs have to be compromised in some regard but in-ears (or smaller audio devices) are definitely the future, though not wired. It's just so convenient to stick something in your ear and play sound and with more research we could have personalized audio that actually works. And IEMs are just easier to manufacture.
it won't work
Unless the IEM could tap into your brain, it will never sound like speakers soundwaves vibrating throughout your body. It is possible to simulate the way you naturally hear sound with your ears, but not how you "hear" it from speakers with your entire body.
I don't understand the jokers commenting on this video. Every word within this 7 minutes 13 is pure facts
I love iem, but speakers are so gooood
It is also funny that you now talk so much about the importance of the effect of soundstage, which you previously dismissed. Regarding headphones, the HD800 has a much bigger soundstage than the LCD-5 and with EQ, another thing you dismissed earlier, it will sound better than the latter, besides being much cheaper.
hd800 has tiny drivers and poor acoustic design. it sucks. you haven't even used lcd-5, let alone with eq
@@Sharur1 the size of the driver doesn´t say anything just by it´s own. The HD-800 for sure has a larger soundstage, no doubt about that. It has more distortion at low frequencies, but these are usually not audible, even at very high listening levels.
most people say the soundstage/imaging of hd800 is unnatural
it also has bad, non-eq'able treble
@@Sharur1 funny that you now join "most people", while you usually claim that they are all wrong....
ummmaaa sharur what da besta iem undrer half of tea?
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I don't mind the presentation of IEMs at all honestly. I think in most cases, you can get better imaging (also due to isolation) in IEMs than on headphones. I actually feel like I'm inside the game when I use them for gaming and I only get startled by IEMs in that regard. Headphones in general have too many other compromises that make them fatiguing to listen to or they just have worse clarity overall.
just get lcd-5
Imagine comparing IEMs to Harman 2019...😂
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"EQ is cope"
Real life😂
Just use a tws at the gym 🤦♂️
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Agree
What
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