i forgot to say at the start so ill put it here. thank you again soundsmith for the idea of the stereotype series i didnt make this idea. stereotypes dont count to everyone, this video is for entertainment purposes and everyone is allowed their own opinions. any comments hating on me or anyone in the comments for their thoughts wont be tolerated.
Wait so Kyoshin gets the "special place in hell" treatment, but not Hitokiri? If anyone has 2 or more reps in Hitokiri, they officially qualify for the "bad person" title.
@@noprotein311 Shame. SHAAAME. Your wickedness knows no bounds. The only way you can repent is to delete your Uplay account and make a new one with 0 reps in Hitokiri.
I wouldn't hate Orochi as hard as I do if 99.98% of their mains weren't extremely toxic fucks. Seriously, if Orochi was deleted, the game would be a WHOLE less toxic.
@@hemcio4538 ik, but i bought the game with my own money i allowed to play whoever i like, orochi, zerk, nobu, shugo, warden, cent, glad ,BP, LB just like you are allowed to as well i hope you have/had a very good day
You forgot something with Hito. Zone became a decent opener now that it doesn't drain half your stamina. Also there's this sweetspot where you still land a kick with a basically sweep timing if you get the timing juuust right.
@@Elen-degenerateI still don't understand what difference between dodge heavies and dodge lights on Zhan U(mostly,what purpose of heavys one),they don't deal more damage on deflect,only top heavy dodge deflect deals +2,simply because just forward dodge heavy deals 24 so is deflect. P.S.Also Zhan has a little bit more gb vulnerability on light and heavy dodge,so he actually can be gbed out of dodge attack. P.S.p.s.Also his zone and UB light are pretty reactable,and kinda usable only in 4v4
@@ceryage2796 u serious? He has two dodge attacks to mix it up, make it harder to parry them. To make up for that hes more gb vulnerable. Light UBs are hard to parry if theyre unexpected/not used too often, and if you react to orange, then u might get gb'ed because he actually feinted a heavy
I’m a rep 70 Shugoki main. I have no regrets. I only play him because his character design is the only unique one in the game, big fat sumo wrestler heavy is funny and awesome
As a kyoshin main myself i think there are two types of kyoshin players the first being sitting behind kaze stance all game and the second being someone who actually tries to use his full kit and not just use one move
i would have no problems with kyoshin if his full guard 5 hit combo actually fed revenge and drained stamina the longer he was in it. everything else about the hero is fun. crushing counters mixups armor, everything looks and is nice its just that one issue
Have you been ganked before by a kyoshin that is just spamming full block? I also enjoy playing him I'll give you that but he is still really annoying and frustrating to play against
@@RAPTORREX_I tried to master kyonshin and I don't rlly like to spam the full guard. I like to play him normally and not rlly braindead but otherwise I agree
As a rep 64 nobushi, I was expecting harsher treatment; thank you for recognizing that us nobu's have skill and dont just spam one button 3 times followed by a kick on repeat. Hidden stance is a hard tool to master and when everyone says youre a light spamming pos it gets demoralizing.
out of all samurai i have the most repspect for the people who grinded nobu. she was never a good hero the players who played her were always the skill issue.
It's a shame that Orochi has a bad name. His movement is just so cool to me. Although, I've found Shinobi to be a good alternative. His movement is really cool!
I play Shugo because I'm passionate about Sumo and I'm passionate about Japanese Mythology Quick edit, I've been enjoying your videos lately I thought I was already subbed
When I used to play( I stopped playing because I switched from xbox to pc ). I was a kensei main and from personal experience he is a really good pick for both people learning the game and people who have been playing for a long time. I did use is side attack a bit but I stayed away from it and really learned the full set which he has. I dont remember the move or the buttons for it but when I played him I found a move with a really specific and I mean really specific combo, which you also had to time pretty well or it would not work properly ( I'm assuming it was because of the amount of buttons you had to press, also it might even be a move that the devs forgot they put in and never put it in the skillset combos screen ) But to this day I have never seen anyone use this move. When I played I would say I was pretty decent, due to the fact that me and my friend if we lost a round would go into practice and train with each other and get better. It was at a point where we stopped loosing matches tho and I became far better than my friend. So at the end of the day its not always about the character you use or even how you utilize them but it all comes back to true skill and practicing to become better day by day.
For the 2nd type of Shinobi players, I just loved cosplaying as scorpion and yelling "GET OVER HERE" every time i pulled the guardbreak off. It wasn't effective for the slightest, but it was mad funny to me. Slide tackle was also kinda funny, but i do have to say it was annoying to be on the reciving end of it. (I also just miss the chargable long range heavys, the spinning was neat)
Don't fuck with us Nobushi mains. We swear by the Cat Ears ornament and think we have 800 IQ when we discover you can chain Hidden Stance into kick. We also used to ship Nobushi and Male Warden together back in the day to a concerning degree.
I don't know if I'm the rare player who enjoys 1v1 as Kyoshin, but I do. It's fun. I like how you have to mix well and have good timing for 1v1s. I like the challenge.
Old shinobi is my main and he is better then the reworked one. The ability to dodge backwards as bait on a forward heavy into a deflect sickle rain was lit. His ability to long range GB allies and prevent them from being GB shoved of ledges was completey unique. Also the run was fun. New shinobi has no soul, is weak in 4v4s, has bad health, range and damage
New shinobi is better in fours than old shinobi, with much better ganks than “GB/heavy off screen”. His range is farther than the average character with the forwards movement of sickle rain and flips kicks. I’m sorry you can no longer attack at a range no one can hit you back. I can agree about the soul a little bit. Unfortunately old shinobi identity was annoying rat. Slide sprint attack, range attacks off screen and super sprint made for annoyance that was kinda a throw.
As a former roach main, i just play him for the fashion realy till i got most of it then switched to warden and kensei Also thanks for the fun content!
Kensei is insanely good. The dude has an amazing base kit, mixups, and i frames out the wazoo on dodge attacks, plus half of his attacks catch other characters dodge attacks
5:40 tbh i really liked playing duels on old shinobi, i started playing right after his nerf and got to rep 70 before he got reworked, now i don't have main 😞
As a orochi main i have no shame in my game i was there when he was ok at the game i was there when he was a cake walk i was there when i had nothing but a deflect to the name and i will say im riding the lighting for how long it takes me (shit cracks me up to get the hate messages) but still had me laughing on that segment
Orochi is one of the few characters(Orochi, Shaolin, Tiandi and Shinobi) right now that is not playing the same game as the rest of the cast. I say this in just how they play in comparison to the rest of the cast. The rest of the cast usually has either a strong offense or strong defense and they lack the opposite. However these characters are different in the fact that their offense is tied into their defense and it leads to an imbalance at even the highest level of play. I feel like the most frustrating thing about these characters is how "easy" they are to play and how it requires more effort to beat these characters than to play them.
and this all stems from the same same problem. being able to dodge recovery cancel on miss. this leads to their "offense" basically ending when they choose it to and their defense being really easy. im glad other people think the same way i do
@@RAPTORREX_ Yeah that's a big issue but also being able to follow up whiffed bashes doesn't help either. I'm all for offense being stronger than defense but I'm not cool with certain characters bashes getting this treatment but not others. That's what leads to power creep and etc.
As a roach main, i do agree that certain parts of his kit (mainly stormrush) are a bit busted. But i don't really find him difficult to fight. The dodge cancel he has isn't really as good as people think it is, cause it mainly chains into more dodge attacks, i:e. free light attacks and zones if they throw storm rush, free light parries if they throw a dodge attack, and a guardbreak if they try to fake you out. Like most other characters, fighting him is based on reads, and paired with roaches low health pool, if you know what yo're doing, he's light work. But, I'm a rep 70 roach, so take my "he's not difficult to fight" with a grain of salt. It's a different case for everyone. There are a few things i'd change about him, no dodge canceling into storm rush, bring back the old storm rush where sides are dodgeable and top is undodgeable, heavy deflect, slow down his back dodge light, and probably increase the amount of frames he can be guardbroken for after a dodge. Other than that, he's meh. Not the best or worst, but just kind of the stylistic assassin choice.
I fight hitikori players like once every 3 matches. And they are either really god good, dodging af, or just fight the once they know they can kill just to they can get their final feat
To be fair it was funny to use old shinobi to annoy friends in friendly matches other than that the rework made it more fun to to it to everyone that trash talk for no reason 😈
the one about shugoki is respectable. you play him bcz you just like playing the big fat characters not taking the game seriously and just being goofy. roadhog, wario, snorlax, etc
Nobu main here, its the truth lol, i had shino 70 for so long and after his rework i went back to Nobu cause i had to relearn a rep 70 hero, Ive had nobu 70 for a while too and i can say she is without a doubt one of the hardest heroes to master
I one many wishes to have a range of many people, but I want it to be balanced and not frustrating. My suggestion is to just give it to the heavy attacks that way you can parry.
I know Hito mains arent that liked but I respect their Moveset bc his moves are easy but the combos in training mode are so hard to do with Charged feints and everything.
I am both types of shinobi and i don't really know how to feel about that, also spot on kyoshin, i have both of these on rep 70. Am i mad you got it right, no it was funny
Im a pre rework rep 70 shinobi and old shinobi was actully fun to play, and it took skill to get good with. It always hurt me to see a shinbi just sitting back ranged attacking and running. With the rework he became so easy to play takes have the brain power, i dont even play him as much because hes just the same four moves over and over
I feel like samurai heroes are the some of the most feast or famine heroes in the game. The player either uses the heroes whole kit and is a menace, or just soams dodge attacks and is trash
Dont forget the sub stereotype for Nobushi. NUwUshi, these guys have handcrafted the most uwu cringe ass set up known to man. Im talking cat ears, cherry blossom effects, spams the cuter emotes, and slaped a legit UwU on her mask. These guys are similar to crusader warders, they have a 50/50 chance of being straight awful, or the scariest mf in the lobby.
holy shit how did i forget the cat ear nobushi one. youre actually so spot on it makes me so mad i didnt include it. D: (i also have a crusader warden every now and then).
I used aramusha because ppl that cant deal with his light attacks give me immense pleasure Then if they can deal with it I suddenly mix them into oblivion and laugh as they complain about lightspam like its still a relevant issue
Shugoki is so bloody annoying to fight especially when you’re playing a hero with no bashes. Shugoki mains, sie ist sehr schlecht ja. Also keep with the great vids lad. Guten tag!
Shinobi Stereotype: You are a Naruto Weeb...need I say more? Also maybe you are like me and like to Cosplay as Mortal Kombat Ninjas(I Cosplay Sub-Zero and Rain)
@@RAPTORREX_ Oh okay I just find your Stereotypes videos really funny and I have a friend that has a high rep kensei and Aramusha I didn't know anything about needing reps 😅
ah....but what about a Kyoshin that refuses to babysit in ganks, uses other full guard attacks rather then light, and generally fights 1v1? Are they the exceptions? Edit: Also, I'd say other full guard heroes are almost as bad when they babysit, yet no one bats an eye. Yeah, I agree, Kyoshin sitting in the back (as someone who likes him, I refuse to do that) is annoying as hell, but really, all he's doing is wasting time by just sitting there (Although it should feed a shit ton more revenge). That, and at least his full guard doesn't have an undodgeable like Warlord's or straight up Regenerate as a tier 2 feat like Black Prior (and his flip too). All full guards are the most annoying to get ganked by, Kyoshin is just the most obvious.
Yea all full guards are very annoying in ganks I just think that the hate is cantered towards kyoshin for 2 reasons and I think you’d agree. On release kyoshin could chain his 6 hit full block combo with another kyoshin infinitely making it a 100-0 gank that didn’t feed revenge cause of bleed. And with every other full block hero they hit you once when kyoshin just wails on you for a good 5 seconds.
As a shinobi main I love new shinobi and old shinobi I loved old shinobi because I liked using my ranged attacks and utilizing distancing to punish people. I would’ve liked if they just got rid of ranged GB but I’ve moved on and grown fond of using parry punish combos and deflects to take down opponents.
Old shinobi play style felt very unique in game. A psuedo long range assassin based on guard breaks. No other character even currently is truly centered around them. Even though they seem hard to break it only took one grab to turn a fight his old play style. I don’t really play him to say which is better or worse but I do think he was unique
a lot of people said that he was unique and yea youre all 100 percent correct. i mean i played him back then and found him kinda boring but we are all allowed to like and dislike heros. i bet theres alot of people who find warden boring
@@RAPTORREX_ warden the king of boring. But like you said. It’s plenty champs we don’t have to like em all that’s what’s cool. But with the game being 4’s based now and him having stealth a ranged grab assassin is a cool unique idea I think. Instead a bash centric style. But he is perma ban in high level tourney play as he currently stands. Don’t matter for me I suck but just saying
Tbf Orochi wasn't that great in 1s for awhile. This is coming from a dude who used to be able to react for froward movement before the bash changes. Orochi is now really good in duels and Before his storm rush nerfs orochi was a really good ganker and 4s hero. Now he's just a good 4s hero and a good ganker. Storm rush confirms are still good just not hitstun rule breaking great
I am absolutely DYING from your kyoshin opinion. I myself play kyoshin alot and can't help but find myself just full guarding in team-fights alot, AND I do just run head first into anti-ganks like a dumbass XD
The reason shinobi players liked old shino, was cause he was unique. There wasn’t anything else like him. Same reason I love highlander. They’re just freaking cool
you have a good point. the only reason i said that is cause i knew alot of 1 trick shinobis but all they ever did was complain about their hero. so it always made me wonder
@@RAPTORREX_nowadays we have a sore lack of really technical heroes, and I don’t mean mix up focused heroes. I mean real unique ones with defining character. Highlander is the last one, and he’s going to be another bash feint hero. He’ll still have some of the old stuff, but nobody is gonna use it. Plus that caber toss looks awful now.
Me and friend were playing and he was playing kaioshin I was playing afeera I would body block long enough for him to go for one v one when he was done he just had to light tap to the other dude to win then he just have to raise me
i was a victim towards hito/kensei/orochi dodge attacks and then i just trained parrying and deflects purely wit there dodge attacks in act of revenge now i can parry pretty much any dodge attack(ill be in dat wu lin stream trustttt)
good question. i think i can def make a video dedicated to wu lin cause they had by far THE BEST TRAILER and they came in with breach i will see in the future when i make the scripts if i talk long enough.
There are 2 types of shinobi players the ones that spam that kick after backflip and the ones that spam kick after backflip and occasionally do the undodgeable side heavy
I only got Shinobi because I thought the old version of him was cool but I got Shinobi like 3 days after the rework that I didn't even know was happening came out and now I barely have one rep on him only because a character below one rep looks weird
Ngl after pre-rework orochi stomping was fun... for a while but it gets boring, and ive found all the drip i want for him so now i just plah him when mad, your finally good orochi, but at what cost?
The only time I pull him out is if I want to win. Which is weird cause you think someone would pull out their rep 70 if they wanted to win but not when orochi exists
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i forgot to say at the start so ill put it here. thank you again soundsmith for the idea of the stereotype series i didnt make this idea. stereotypes dont count to everyone, this video is for entertainment purposes and everyone is allowed their own opinions. any comments hating on me or anyone in the comments for their thoughts wont be tolerated.
Dude your subscribers blew up in one day. I swear I just congratulated you yesterday during the 800 subs stream and you’re almost at 1000. 🎉🎉
@@CheesyTed YEA I KNOW THIS IS GREAT WOOOOO 1k thank you stream today i can feel it. and its all thanks to you and everyone else supporting me
God damn this blow up
Funny asian lightspammers
I want to give you a hug for how much I agree with you on orochi. Everything about that character needs to be nerfed.
Wait so Kyoshin gets the "special place in hell" treatment, but not Hitokiri?
If anyone has 2 or more reps in Hitokiri, they officially qualify for the "bad person" title.
day 1 hito players already know their fate
I got 21 😢
@@noprotein311 Shame. SHAAAME. Your wickedness knows no bounds. The only way you can repent is to delete your Uplay account and make a new one with 0 reps in Hitokiri.
@@SpahkiI will gain another rep, and you can’t stop me
@@Antpoison supervillain energy right here.
You leave me no choice. We must summon the 4 man shugoki gank squads.
I play shugo because i love to say "BONK" every time my heavies connect.
the perfect reason to play him IMO. big stick do funny damage
Jorm doing finnier bonk by my taste
Puppet Pal Clem, there's a spider in your bed! BONK!!
Shugoki is best character from samurai faction. He's haeavy funny and strong. Also he can brake your spine on his shoulder. Pure perfection
I wouldn't hate Orochi as hard as I do if 99.98% of their mains weren't extremely toxic fucks. Seriously, if Orochi was deleted, the game would be a WHOLE less toxic.
as a orochi main I found that not just funny but unforutantly also very accurate
cringe main*
@@hemcio4538 ik, but i bought the game with my own money i allowed to play whoever i like, orochi, zerk, nobu, shugo, warden, cent, glad ,BP, LB just like you are allowed to as well
i hope you have/had a very good day
You forgot something with Hito.
Zone became a decent opener now that it doesn't drain half your stamina.
Also there's this sweetspot where you still land a kick with a basically sweep timing if you get the timing juuust right.
As someone who plays a lot of zhanhu for his flow, I hate that orochi has more recovery than him.
The difference though is that zanhu has two different dodge attacks and unblockable light attacks and a super fast undodgable zone
@@Elen-degenerateI still don't understand what difference between dodge heavies and dodge lights on Zhan U(mostly,what purpose of heavys one),they don't deal more damage on deflect,only top heavy dodge deflect deals +2,simply because just forward dodge heavy deals 24 so is deflect.
P.S.Also Zhan has a little bit more gb vulnerability on light and heavy dodge,so he actually can be gbed out of dodge attack.
P.S.p.s.Also his zone and UB light are pretty reactable,and kinda usable only in 4v4
@@ceryage2796 u serious? He has two dodge attacks to mix it up, make it harder to parry them. To make up for that hes more gb vulnerable. Light UBs are hard to parry if theyre unexpected/not used too often, and if you react to orange, then u might get gb'ed because he actually feinted a heavy
I’m a rep 70 Shugoki main. I have no regrets. I only play him because his character design is the only unique one in the game, big fat sumo wrestler heavy is funny and awesome
as shugoki once said "ayy big boy"
As a kyoshin main myself i think there are two types of kyoshin players the first being sitting behind kaze stance all game and the second being someone who actually tries to use his full kit and not just use one move
I understand the anger that many have towards kyoshin, but the truth is that he is the most stylish and beautiful character to play, he is really cool
i would have no problems with kyoshin if his full guard 5 hit combo actually fed revenge and drained stamina the longer he was in it. everything else about the hero is fun. crushing counters mixups armor, everything looks and is nice its just that one issue
Have you been ganked before by a kyoshin that is just spamming full block? I also enjoy playing him I'll give you that but he is still really annoying and frustrating to play against
@@torcatogjm yeah bro, but i know how to beat kyoshin.
The spamming is annoying as fuck,but there are worst ones
@@RAPTORREX_I tried to master kyonshin and I don't rlly like to spam the full guard. I like to play him normally and not rlly braindead but otherwise I agree
Nothing against the femboy, I like his fashion
But i would say that tiandi flow is superior but its just me
As a rep 64 nobushi, I was expecting harsher treatment; thank you for recognizing that us nobu's have skill and dont just spam one button 3 times followed by a kick on repeat. Hidden stance is a hard tool to master and when everyone says youre a light spamming pos it gets demoralizing.
out of all samurai i have the most repspect for the people who grinded nobu. she was never a good hero the players who played her were always the skill issue.
@@RAPTORREX_ lol, true. I'm still crossing my fingers waiting for her to get a rework (it's not gonna happen...).
she will get one when warden gets one (were both going to pass away of old age before it happens)
Omg, true. (btw, got to the end of the vid, do you stream on twitch on yt?)
youtube now. its just a healthier and better streaming enviorment
Babe wake up new for honor stereotypes just dropped
congats on the 1000 subs
WOOOOOO THANK YOU
As a kensai main. Learning how to hit every move without the doge or light spam is great as it catches people off gaurd
RAAAAH LETS GO KENSEI PRAISE. Also you forgot the people that play him because he has the best samurai drip
Whenever storm rush is spammed, it makes me every kind of phobe known to man
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It's a shame that Orochi has a bad name. His movement is just so cool to me. Although, I've found Shinobi to be a good alternative. His movement is really cool!
I play Shugo because I'm passionate about Sumo and I'm passionate about Japanese Mythology
Quick edit, I've been enjoying your videos lately I thought I was already subbed
you are now so now worries bro glad you did in the end :D
Why do you main Orochi? Is it because they’re a good and easy character?
Me: They look cool af
When I used to play( I stopped playing because I switched from xbox to pc ). I was a kensei main and from personal experience he is a really good pick for both people learning the game and people who have been playing for a long time. I did use is side attack a bit but I stayed away from it and really learned the full set which he has. I dont remember the move or the buttons for it but when I played him I found a move with a really specific and I mean really specific combo, which you also had to time pretty well or it would not work properly ( I'm assuming it was because of the amount of buttons you had to press, also it might even be a move that the devs forgot they put in and never put it in the skillset combos screen ) But to this day I have never seen anyone use this move. When I played I would say I was pretty decent, due to the fact that me and my friend if we lost a round would go into practice and train with each other and get better. It was at a point where we stopped loosing matches tho and I became far better than my friend. So at the end of the day its not always about the character you use or even how you utilize them but it all comes back to true skill and practicing to become better day by day.
For the 2nd type of Shinobi players, I just loved cosplaying as scorpion and yelling "GET OVER HERE" every time i pulled the guardbreak off. It wasn't effective for the slightest, but it was mad funny to me.
Slide tackle was also kinda funny, but i do have to say it was annoying to be on the reciving end of it.
(I also just miss the chargable long range heavys, the spinning was neat)
Great video I love being big and hugging people
i love it when big men hug me too
I never thought I would hate a character more than Tiandi. Then Kyoshin came out.
Don't fuck with us Nobushi mains. We swear by the Cat Ears ornament and think we have 800 IQ when we discover you can chain Hidden Stance into kick.
We also used to ship Nobushi and Male Warden together back in the day to a concerning degree.
spot on
Lmao I just rep 70'd Kyoshin yesterday:) love my Kaze
As a Law Bringer main I miss parrying OLD Shinobi and landing him on his ass.
Old shinobi was fun Because it made everyone so mad and just playing as scorpion from mortal combat was cool
I don't know if I'm the rare player who enjoys 1v1 as Kyoshin, but I do. It's fun. I like how you have to mix well and have good timing for 1v1s. I like the challenge.
Old shinobi is my main and he is better then the reworked one. The ability to dodge backwards as bait on a forward heavy into a deflect sickle rain was lit. His ability to long range GB allies and prevent them from being GB shoved of ledges was completey unique. Also the run was fun. New shinobi has no soul, is weak in 4v4s, has bad health, range and damage
Same bro. The quad dash and the smokeless dash was peak for my boy Shinobi
New shinobi is better in fours than old shinobi, with much better ganks than “GB/heavy off screen”.
His range is farther than the average character with the forwards movement of sickle rain and flips kicks. I’m sorry you can no longer attack at a range no one can hit you back.
I can agree about the soul a little bit. Unfortunately old shinobi identity was annoying rat. Slide sprint attack, range attacks off screen and super sprint made for annoyance that was kinda a throw.
New shinobi is a much better character from a balance standpoint but old shinobi was so unique and fun
As a shugoki main who just uploaded a vid yesterday I feel attacked
Hope the video does well.
i main Orochi because old school samurai films and OG star wars are my jam, he could be the hardest to play and i'd still play him lol
I came for the orochi slander stayed for the doot, doot, doot...doot, doot, doot
I kinda feel like Raptorrex bullying low rep Kyos. 😂
As a former roach main, i just play him for the fashion realy till i got most of it then switched to warden and kensei
Also thanks for the fun content!
thank you so much for the support man it means alot i hope the warden grind goes well :D
Kensei is insanely good. The dude has an amazing base kit, mixups, and i frames out the wazoo on dodge attacks, plus half of his attacks catch other characters dodge attacks
sadly a huge ammount of heros just do what kensei can but better. also people who play kensei normally dont use his full kit so unlucky
5:40 tbh i really liked playing duels on old shinobi, i started playing right after his nerf and got to rep 70 before he got reworked, now i don't have main 😞
It must have sucked mastering a hero for Ubisoft to just turn your hero into something completely different.
7:49 W fnaf reference. in my humble opinion, any and all samurai mains are chronically insane
i thought about doing more with the clip but i didnt wanna drag it out lmao.
I can confirm that I am in fact chronically insane
I must be the best kyoshin then cuz I’m 1v1s I thrive and actually try to stay away from being in the middle of ganks
That’s good. I think you can even see in the clips I got I often stay away from just sitting in full guard.
I forgot to sub but as of now I’m your 967th sub :)
thanks bro im glad you did in the end :D
As a orochi main i have no shame in my game i was there when he was ok at the game i was there when he was a cake walk i was there when i had nothing but a deflect to the name and i will say im riding the lighting for how long it takes me (shit cracks me up to get the hate messages) but still had me laughing on that segment
Orochi is one of the few characters(Orochi, Shaolin, Tiandi and Shinobi) right now that is not playing the same game as the rest of the cast. I say this in just how they play in comparison to the rest of the cast. The rest of the cast usually has either a strong offense or strong defense and they lack the opposite. However these characters are different in the fact that their offense is tied into their defense and it leads to an imbalance at even the highest level of play. I feel like the most frustrating thing about these characters is how "easy" they are to play and how it requires more effort to beat these characters than to play them.
and this all stems from the same same problem. being able to dodge recovery cancel on miss. this leads to their "offense" basically ending when they choose it to and their defense being really easy. im glad other people think the same way i do
@@RAPTORREX_ Yeah that's a big issue but also being able to follow up whiffed bashes doesn't help either. I'm all for offense being stronger than defense but I'm not cool with certain characters bashes getting this treatment but not others. That's what leads to power creep and etc.
Don't forget about Afira and Berserker.
Mix in a few lights with your Shugoki guys its the difference between a bad and good player with him
As a roach main, i do agree that certain parts of his kit (mainly stormrush) are a bit busted. But i don't really find him difficult to fight. The dodge cancel he has isn't really as good as people think it is, cause it mainly chains into more dodge attacks, i:e. free light attacks and zones if they throw storm rush, free light parries if they throw a dodge attack, and a guardbreak if they try to fake you out. Like most other characters, fighting him is based on reads, and paired with roaches low health pool, if you know what yo're doing, he's light work.
But, I'm a rep 70 roach, so take my "he's not difficult to fight" with a grain of salt. It's a different case for everyone.
There are a few things i'd change about him, no dodge canceling into storm rush, bring back the old storm rush where sides are dodgeable and top is undodgeable, heavy deflect, slow down his back dodge light, and probably increase the amount of frames he can be guardbroken for after a dodge.
Other than that, he's meh. Not the best or worst, but just kind of the stylistic assassin choice.
Soundsmith background sound referenced 🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨
I'm a split between the shinobi stereotypes I love new shinobi he's objectively better but old shinobi felt more unique and i'm nostalgic for it
Yea a lot of people have said old Shinobi had uniqueness to him and they aren’t wrong
@@RAPTORREX_ it could 100% be nostalgia though as he was (and still is my main) and for ages he was the pk butt of the joke until now
You had a great stream last night I tuned in when you were playing shugoki and it was very good
thanks so much bro your words mean a lot seriously :D
I fight hitikori players like once every 3 matches. And they are either really god good, dodging af, or just fight the once they know they can kill just to they can get their final feat
Shugo is very far from boring!
No he’s very very fun to play but facing good shugos is a struggle :(
Bro someone train me on warden trying to deserve the lord ramiel skin lol
Shugo needs sum love again ngl
Dont forget that kensei has a top unlockable to side light spam that is annoying
To be fair it was funny to use old shinobi to annoy friends in friendly matches other than that the rework made it more fun to to it to everyone that trash talk for no reason 😈
I miss the quad dash for shinobi I used to get so many people on their heels but I like the new one better overall
i dont play for honor i watch your videos because i love your editing style and you make good content!
Legend!
the one about shugoki is respectable. you play him bcz you just like playing the big fat characters not taking the game seriously and just being goofy. roadhog, wario, snorlax, etc
shugoki mains would 100 percent main roadhog. let me ask one. (he said yes)
@@RAPTORREX_ yep i got one too🤣🤣
As a day 1 shinobi player I do miss old shinobi but only cause he felt truly unique nowadays unique is a rare thing in for honor.
He was very unique a lot of people say that it makes sense now
Nobu main here, its the truth lol, i had shino 70 for so long and after his rework i went back to Nobu cause i had to relearn a rep 70 hero, Ive had nobu 70 for a while too and i can say she is without a doubt one of the hardest heroes to master
Favorite combo on Goki is heavy feint heavy
I one many wishes to have a range of many people, but I want it to be balanced and not frustrating. My suggestion is to just give it to the heavy attacks that way you can parry.
The only thing i miss from old Shinobi was the deflect bleed
I know Hito mains arent that liked but I respect their Moveset bc his moves are easy but the combos in training mode are so hard to do with Charged feints and everything.
I love old orochi. I hate how he has a dodge attack with all sides that you cant dodge
I am both types of shinobi and i don't really know how to feel about that, also spot on kyoshin, i have both of these on rep 70. Am i mad you got it right, no it was funny
i respect the grind on any hero tho low key if you got someone to rep 70 you deserve at least some praise. not an easy thing to do
Hey what's the outfit pieces for Orochi? Looks sick asl
Can't wait to see what you say about Zhanhu
:D thats gonna be a fun one
As a Nobushi main, the bit about me leaving Shinobi for Nobushi was so true.
Im a pre rework rep 70 shinobi and old shinobi was actully fun to play, and it took skill to get good with. It always hurt me to see a shinbi just sitting back ranged attacking and running. With the rework he became so easy to play takes have the brain power, i dont even play him as much because hes just the same four moves over and over
As an Orochi main, I fall into another category. I know Orochi is really good, I'm just bad.
Fair enough lmao
I feel like samurai heroes are the some of the most feast or famine heroes in the game. The player either uses the heroes whole kit and is a menace, or just soams dodge attacks and is trash
Lol your kyoshin vs mine hahaha good kyoshin are aggressive and bait into all parry. No wait....
Dont forget the sub stereotype for Nobushi.
NUwUshi, these guys have handcrafted the most uwu cringe ass set up known to man. Im talking cat ears, cherry blossom effects, spams the cuter emotes, and slaped a legit UwU on her mask.
These guys are similar to crusader warders, they have a 50/50 chance of being straight awful, or the scariest mf in the lobby.
holy shit how did i forget the cat ear nobushi one. youre actually so spot on it makes me so mad i didnt include it. D: (i also have a crusader warden every now and then).
@@RAPTORREX_ dont sweat forgetting it, that just means you can make a part 4 going over lesser known sub stereotypes. *wink wink*
this is a thinking man right here (subscriber based stereotypes)
I used aramusha because ppl that cant deal with his light attacks give me immense pleasure
Then if they can deal with it I suddenly mix them into oblivion and laugh as they complain about lightspam like its still a relevant issue
W video almost at 1k!
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Swordsmith goes hard
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Shugoki is so bloody annoying to fight especially when you’re playing a hero with no bashes. Shugoki mains, sie ist sehr schlecht ja. Also keep with the great vids lad. Guten tag!
Shinobi Stereotype: You are a Naruto Weeb...need I say more?
Also maybe you are like me and like to Cosplay as Mortal Kombat Ninjas(I Cosplay Sub-Zero and Rain)
As a rep70 kyoshin, i gotta say when 1 vs 1 i rely on skill , but of course kaze stance when facing 2 or more , make em bleed and recover some health.
Can you do the Samurai Class as individual Helmet Stereotypes please???
Knights are the easiest for me because every knight is past rep 8 there’s still samurai I don’t have past rep 8
@@RAPTORREX_ Oh okay I just find your Stereotypes videos really funny and I have a friend that has a high rep kensei and Aramusha I didn't know anything about needing reps 😅
ah....but what about a Kyoshin that refuses to babysit in ganks, uses other full guard attacks rather then light, and generally fights 1v1? Are they the exceptions?
Edit: Also, I'd say other full guard heroes are almost as bad when they babysit, yet no one bats an eye. Yeah, I agree, Kyoshin sitting in the back (as someone who likes him, I refuse to do that) is annoying as hell, but really, all he's doing is wasting time by just sitting there (Although it should feed a shit ton more revenge). That, and at least his full guard doesn't have an undodgeable like Warlord's or straight up Regenerate as a tier 2 feat like Black Prior (and his flip too). All full guards are the most annoying to get ganked by, Kyoshin is just the most obvious.
Yea all full guards are very annoying in ganks I just think that the hate is cantered towards kyoshin for 2 reasons and I think you’d agree. On release kyoshin could chain his 6 hit full block combo with another kyoshin infinitely making it a 100-0 gank that didn’t feed revenge cause of bleed. And with every other full block hero they hit you once when kyoshin just wails on you for a good 5 seconds.
As a shinobi main I love new shinobi and old shinobi I loved old shinobi because I liked using my ranged attacks and utilizing distancing to punish people. I would’ve liked if they just got rid of ranged GB but I’ve moved on and grown fond of using parry punish combos and deflects to take down opponents.
Keep ‘em coming
Old shinobi play style felt very unique in game. A psuedo long range assassin based on guard breaks. No other character even currently is truly centered around them. Even though they seem hard to break it only took one grab to turn a fight his old play style. I don’t really play him to say which is better or worse but I do think he was unique
a lot of people said that he was unique and yea youre all 100 percent correct. i mean i played him back then and found him kinda boring but we are all allowed to like and dislike heros. i bet theres alot of people who find warden boring
@@RAPTORREX_ warden the king of boring. But like you said. It’s plenty champs we don’t have to like em all that’s what’s cool. But with the game being 4’s based now and him having stealth a ranged grab assassin is a cool unique idea I think. Instead a bash centric style. But he is perma ban in high level tourney play as he currently stands. Don’t matter for me I suck but just saying
Tbf Orochi wasn't that great in 1s for awhile. This is coming from a dude who used to be able to react for froward movement before the bash changes. Orochi is now really good in duels and Before his storm rush nerfs orochi was a really good ganker and 4s hero. Now he's just a good 4s hero and a good ganker. Storm rush confirms are still good just not hitstun rule breaking great
I am absolutely DYING from your kyoshin opinion. I myself play kyoshin alot and can't help but find myself just full guarding in team-fights alot, AND I do just run head first into anti-ganks like a dumbass XD
Luckily I'm the kensei that uses everything in his set
The reason shinobi players liked old shino, was cause he was unique. There wasn’t anything else like him. Same reason I love highlander. They’re just freaking cool
you have a good point. the only reason i said that is cause i knew alot of 1 trick shinobis but all they ever did was complain about their hero. so it always made me wonder
@@RAPTORREX_nowadays we have a sore lack of really technical heroes, and I don’t mean mix up focused heroes. I mean real unique ones with defining character. Highlander is the last one, and he’s going to be another bash feint hero. He’ll still have some of the old stuff, but nobody is gonna use it. Plus that caber toss looks awful now.
Me and friend were playing and he was playing kaioshin I was playing afeera I would body block long enough for him to go for one v one when he was done he just had to light tap to the other dude to win then he just have to raise me
Hello raptorrex I was the raider that popped up so nice playing with you surprised to be honest
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bro that's literally me
@@DotDot1221agree to disagree
@@Jayden-vk2iq we were partied together that is my ubisoft name i can log into it right now
@@DotDot1221 ik so was i
i was a victim towards hito/kensei/orochi dodge attacks and then i just trained parrying and deflects purely wit there dodge attacks in act of revenge now i can parry pretty much any dodge attack(ill be in dat wu lin stream trustttt)
Are you going to do the wu lin and the outlanders together or separately? Since both of those factions combined are the same size as the knights.
good question. i think i can def make a video dedicated to wu lin cause they had by far THE BEST TRAILER and they came in with breach i will see in the future when i make the scripts if i talk long enough.
Honesty it’s worth it to try to learn Shug’s heavy animations to react to them. Otherwise the fight is usually so bad
Surprised that you didn’t use a single anime intro bit like soundsmith did
i didnt wanna rip him off hard lmao i respect the guy
@@RAPTORREX_ hey, I commend the restraint :p
buen video we
I have 11 reps with orochi and I have just bought kyoshin. Hell is consuming me. Help
There are 2 types of shinobi players the ones that spam that kick after backflip and the ones that spam kick after backflip and occasionally do the undodgeable side heavy
very true. theres a reason why hes banned in pro play.
I only got Shinobi because I thought the old version of him was cool but I got Shinobi like 3 days after the rework that I didn't even know was happening came out and now I barely have one rep on him only because a character below one rep looks weird
thanks for the video
Ngl after pre-rework orochi stomping was fun... for a while but it gets boring, and ive found all the drip i want for him so now i just plah him when mad, your finally good orochi, but at what cost?
The only time I pull him out is if I want to win. Which is weird cause you think someone would pull out their rep 70 if they wanted to win but not when orochi exists
love it