Apollyon is still one of my favorite villains ever for the simple fact she wins. The MP literally takes place in her new and successful world of the strong rule.
She didn't want to make the strong rule at all tho, she wanted to make a point. Astrea wants to have the strong rule. Seems to me like you kinda missed the point of the campaign
@@blackg8r20 the world is wolves and sheep. The ones that fight are wolves the ones that wait for their death are weak and deserve it. She hates the illusion of civilization like the vikings. Saying when it turns night or they go hungry they will eat another alive. Seems like she just wants war. So therefore wants the wolves to see who they are
@@blackg8r20 Apollyon’s whole thing was getting rid of the weak or ‘sheep’ as she put it. Astrea just peeled away the metaphor and went with the literal interpretation of her ideology
@Njvikesfan 01 Apollyon didn't want to get rid of the weak. She only killed the weak if they pretended to be strong. Apollyon did what she did to bring out those who were actually strong. The wolves among each of the factions.
The best part about Apollyon I think is her own backstory. She's just a farm girl who had her village raided by the Warborn. Everyone but her died. This all of course could have been prevented because there was a Lawbringer staying nearby. But he was lazy and content and didn't help her village. Obviously she sought revenge. That's where her armor comes from, it's that Lawbringer's armor reshaped to fit her. After her revenge she realized something. That strife and conflict, that small war she just waged, it made her stronger. Being content, like she and the Lawbringer had been, was wrong. Humanity needs to struggle to grow, as only the strongest can raise the next generation to be even stronger. A wolf pack, not a herd of sheep.
For Honor 2017: a thoughtful look at human nature and the battle of those who want to exploit it vs those who want to suppress it in the name of higher ideals For Honor 2023: “we need to fix the magic thing!” *1 season later* “ok we fixed the magic thing but we’re just gonna stay here lmao”
as someone who's been drifting in and out of the game for the past few years...yeah its confusing on exactly what is going on (at this point i think the only reason as to why they still have this "magic" stuff going on is to sell effects and random stuff)
Btw, it's really hard to make an enticing theme for every season that has meaning and lore to it when many players simply ignore it and complain about everything they see. Ex: "wHeRe ArE nEw MaPs?!?!!?" "DeAd GaMe!!!!"
@@CaptDuty491 I think the concepts of what they have are/can be inherently interesting, I just think that they’re handled less well than they should be. Especially considering that this game has a dedicated lore team
I love how they never updated the story so no matter how many reworks there are u can still experience the game as it was day one and appreciate how it's grown. Also we can't forget one of the best lines in the story. "I don't speak Japanese"
@@winchelseabeach4863 i quit the game shortly after this because i knew it was just Ubisoft's code for "we are starting to get very lazy and this game will now rapidly go downhill"
A lot of people really misunderstand story-writing, and how difficult it can be to make something that doesn’t just follow a common trope. I will always be impressed with the way the characters feel balanced with each other here, instead of 1 main character dominating everything, and Apollyon ultimately being the victor in the end, using realistic aspects of human nature to win, instead of the hero being the most morally superior character in the world. It shows that the protagonists can fail, and will fail, if they can’t find common ground through understanding and learning from each other, instead of a short pep talk and a week or 2 of training.
Apollyon: "So let me get this straight, you Brought an Army to my doorstep, Killed half of My Men, Slaughtered My People, AND Stabbed me 5 Times! And all for What?" Me: "For Peace! If we kill you, Peace will Return!" Apollyon: "Hehm..Hehehehe, you are one naive Summer child...It doesn't work like that...." *Apollyon looks down from above the Balcony* Apollyon: "War...Only starts when 2 armies collide...They fight...Regardless of...What you do....." *As she said, Armies were still at Battle and no one wanted to stop* Apollyon: "And....Among the...Survivals....Lie the...Strongest ones......That...Is what...You are......A Wolf...." Me: "Silence! You manipulated everyone into War! Civil Wars and National Wars!" Apollyon: "Eh...Heheh.....You are...As naive as the day I left you......See for yourself....Even if...I die.....War......will still.....rage.....on........" *thudd* Apollyon died and I stood at Loss, looking at the Army I created ruin a City and how the Opposing Army continued to fight back. "What am I fighting for..?." (I know this is Ultra Inaccurate, but this is my Genuine Reaction after completing the game, TODAY!)
"He stumbles upon a conqueror with the exaggerated swagger of a blackstone knight" that is the last thing i ever expected you to say but it was fucking hilarious what the hell
Why would they? Draconite isn't supposed to be some Macguffin, it's just a Thing the warmongers found and Gryphon learned to use. Tyranny wasn't about Draconite, It was about Astrea and the warmongers as the main focus. It's like asking for lore on the wu Lin's Firecrackers or the Bear traps the Vikings use. Granted not as boring, but still not necessary. Besides you can infer some info about it. It's a mineral so it's an organic resource probably mined from somewhere, And it has similar properties to poisonous plants like Mandrake and Foxglove that can let it be used as a medicine or poison depending on how it's prepared.
What got me into this game? Getting to play a male warden with a long sword. What kept me from leaving the game was the introduction of a hero with lawbringer esc armor and a great sword; Warmonger. It's not because the game was more grounded with its fantasy back then that got me hooked. it was simply because I got to play with an armored knight using my favorite weapon
Same almost, I quit because I like to get immersed and role play for less of a better word in games. I want my mp charachter to feel like me which is one of the advantages of the knights with their helmets, So when the warden rework was super underwhelming and warmonger so stupidly was gender locked as female I quit after years of playtime and at one point reaching top 200 in mmr for warden.
I liked the original vibe of For Honor because it was "simple", no mumbo jumbo magic or trying to include every single part of the world and include an incoherent story that feels like a modern cartoon, just three normal factions in a normal world trying to make a living after a minor case of apocalypse
So glad I'm not alone. Apollyon has to be one of, if not flat out, my favorite antagonist(s) in fiction. I was surprised at how good the ending was. It had teeth, which was... interesting, coming from Ubisoft. Apollyon's monologue right before her death was honest to goodness, haunting. The way the dominoes all fell right into place, right when she decided.
9:30 Apollyon being the narrator for the lore was one of my favorite parts. It shows that she took serious time and consideration before coming to her end philosophy. She sought out every faction, every philosophy, and every religion. It fascinating to hear what she has to say on all the topics and she doesn't just how right dismiss things that aren't war.It makes her It's also an amusing mental image of Apollyon sitting through various church sessions and paying genuine attention or examining and appreciating art. I find that juxtaposition funny
Imagine if they weren't retarded from the start and had real servers at launch. Maybe we wouldn't have lost 90% of our player base in the first 3 months
Not story-wise, unfortunately. The theme and lore of each new season feel more and more random and unimportant for the world of the game. They keep working on the balance and polishing mechanics but they're clearly saving on good writers.
9:55 "For Honor has strayed so far from what it used to be, it pains me to think about what this game could be if we had kept the original aesthetic" Couldn't have said it better myself. This line summarizes my feelings towards For Honor for like 3 years.
I guess we're at a point (generally, not just in video games) where simple stories that just work are "mid" instead of "good", where we all expect something to be always extraordinary, and can't get satisfied enough by the ordinary
I absolutely love the story, combat is of course outdated but i enjoyed it. The only problem i have is that warden doesn't get to be the one to kill apollyon.
@@bababooey3023yeah the vikings and knights had the biggest reason to actually get to kill her. All the samurai guy did was brake out of prison he had least right to get it in my opinion.
@@FeedMeChaos1 i didn't say it was wrong. Its just a nit pick i have. I just want the warden to have gotten it in terms of losing the most between the 3. Of course this is how apollyon counted for the end.
The story mode contains so much nostalgia for me it's unreal. The cutscenes resemble the older graphics that the game had which I adore, and the gameplay and sound design was so much more gritty and immersive. Even the soundtrack was amazing. It was also just about Knights vs Vikings vs Samurai, which was what for honor was always meant to be.
I always said that I wanted a kind of Game of Thrones style prequel following Apollyon, Holden Cross, and Daubany. It could have three storylines that intersect in the finale. Keep in mind, what I put below I just came up off the top of my head. One (arguably both the least and most important) follows Apollyon as she climbs up the ranks of the Blackstone legion, while at the same time driving the other legions out of Ashfeld. Perhaps it could be a sort of tragic villain story, have her start off as slightly idealistic (if a little jaded) and then slowly become what we see her as in the main story due to all the backstabbing and decadence she witnesses. The second story line could follow Holden Cross as he follow's Apollyon's orders and begins the Blackstone legions conquest of Ashfeld; and show him struggling with his "my master, right or wrong" mentality, as he struggles to maintain his honor in the face of the inherit dishonor war brings. And the last story line (and arguably the main one) could follow Daubany as he tries to find his place in Ashfeld. I see him being a a sort of Bronn of the Blackwater kind of figure, albeit less unfettered; with him starting off as a lowly sellsword (kind of like how our Warden started in the campaign), and then doing a task that gets him recruited into the Blackstone Legion. As the story progresses, Daubany and Cross constantly butt heads due to their differing world views and feelings about honor (the former being a pragmatist, while the later is obsessed with it); but ultimately, the finale would be both men realizing what Apollyon really wants with Ashfeld. Cross thinks he can temper her expectations, while Daubany see's the situation for what it is and show's that he's arguably more moral than Cross by taking those under his command and splitting off from the Blackstone Legion and forming a rebellion (to further underscore the similarities between Daubany and the PC Warden); with the show ending with the canonical battle in the beginning of the campaign, and a sort of epilogue with a scribe talking to Cross and Daubany as they reflect on what happened (and to be a sort of framing device).
Very interesting idea, however I think it should be split up with chapters just like the normal base game with three factions to play as with their own prequels as focusing on the Knights to a game trying to diversify characters is a bad idea
I love the knight story, it has a heart and some twists, the other two are more like background lore got animated (outside of some moments that stand out). I only wish the story circled around back to the Warden for the final battle. Speaking of which it's just knights vs knights vs samurai, with vikings showing up at the last moment as an afterthought. They have a story role there (keep the fighting an mistrust going), but they could've worked them in as a second front storming the castle for loot and make it a three way fight. As far as simple stories go, I really like them when they're one properly an hit all the right notes, such has the original Force Unleashed campaign.
I think the scene that really shows how good a simple story line with subtle villains on it is the Viking beheading scene. The sheer bewilderment by both Holden and the Raider they share when she congratulates the Raider for killing 40 of her own men......its like the small moment you realise how truly diabolical and smart Apollyon is in what her end goal was for how simple the story was. Like who praises their enemy for going on a killing spree on their own men? Jesus, I'd shit my pants if I was Holden and the Raider too.
Talking about the memes and comedy in the story mode, I can't help but think of my personal favorite. The Valkyrie doing all her scouting in the Myre, trying to get intel on this Samurai threat. Gudmundr finally catches up to her on the dock, "Well? What did they say?" The first time I saw this cutscene I remember thinking to myself "wtf, are they gonna just skip the fact that she doesn't speak their language?" Valkyrie: "I don't speak Japanese."
The story is actually really dope, but that's why I wish that it was expanded to include the wu lin and heros that are actual characters and not a type of fighter (like gryphon, the evolution of the lawbringer from the story, versus warden or berserker, who is just a warden or berserker of many) there would be so many interesting interactions
I don't know man. Not every voice acting is that great. Like the "I don't speak japanese" However I wish I could hear my boy Cent all the time as a narrator. I truly love Appolyon and warden voice. And the campain lore, Appolyon pholosophy is great to witness and ending in the Appolyon castle is just pure perfection. I totally agree on that. Lore reading Appolyon is gorgeus, If only we could get more female characters like her I wish there were singleplayer dlc's for the game
It's true that For Honor's story is really unique. Silence, blood, clever and musics that make me really melancholic. I crave this simple and darker shade of the game. Not the move shining, magical effect and redondant story about "We shall do what Appolyon did again".
In one of the findable clues on the final missions, the secret tunnels out of the castle were already covered up, implying that Apollyon never intended to leave
The only word I can think of to describe For Honor's story is "masterpiece". It truly brings identity to For Honor's world. Most people who say the story and/or lore doesn't matter or says that it's bad doesn't appreciate what For Honor is, they just see it as another fighting game. This game is something truly special, something that I can only hope gets topped by another entry or a sequel.
For Honour's story is basically one of those really good, halfway accurate medieval dramas that went under a lot of people's radar, but the few who did get into it witnessed pure greatness of storytelling and have been left wanting more than 1 season ever since.
1:33 you mention the voice acting and dialogue being good, I LOVE the sounds too. That loud CLANG when you block and attack, that vicious shredding with sparks flying after you parry a light, it’s all awesome!
I'm actually of the mindset that the story was just okay. It was far too short and I still don't like how it ended. Not the peace talks at the very end- I'm annoyed that it was the orochi who fought Apollyon and not the Warden we played at the beginning of the game during the knight story. Idk the viking story was cool, the knight story was solid too but by the time I go to the samurai story it just felt like I got through the other two sections of the campaign way too quickly and thus my enjoyment of it faded. Edit: I'll add, this is just my opinion.
It's not just the cutscenes in this game, (imo) the first trailer during E3 2016 where the three armies fight over the puddle of fresh water is highly underrated. Especially the ending with Apollyon egging on the conflict.
Good to know there are more folks who love this campaign! As for what hooked me... literally the thought of Knights vs Vikings vs Samurai!! It was like a dream fight come true back when the first "Gameplay" trailer was shown.
The thing that sticks with me and really makes this campaign good and memorable is the near perfect blend of cheese/camp with serious undertones. For every "rAiDeR!!" You have a "I took an oath to fight for peace. So did you. All of you." That and I just adore the setting. The idea of a humanity pushed to the brink with some people desperately trying to pull it back from the edge while others fan the flames is just so interesting and fun for me. Alongside the bleak atmosphere and ceaseless, unrelenting war it's all just 👌 It reminds me of 40k in a lot of ways, actually. But with the restraint to ease up on the edginess every once in a while, so you have just a smidge of levity to juxtapose the hopelessness and violence.
I've been writing a book for more than a year now, and one of my major inspirations were the story mode in for honor. The plot is actually fantastic, a millennium of war, so lost to time that they just fight to survive. The characters are just amazing as well. The story mode borders on psychological thriller at times. For a unique new game, for honor outdid itself in the story department. I wish we saw more games with nuisanced and interesting story modes like it.
"What happens now...? You all just go home? You came into MY home, you brought your armies, what did you think was going to happen? Peace? Don't speak to me of your virtues... Duty... Kinship... Honor. You've forgotten what you are." "War... All you want is war." "All I want is for you to admit what you really are. My... Wolves.." Man I love Apollyon's last scene so much I still go back and watch it.
I've been thinking about the sequel to for honor and honestly the best story beat they could do is an origin story of Appolyon. Imagine going through the experiences that shaped her into what she is. What trauma, broken alliances and accomplishments she went through. It could be a mix between Berserk's Golden age and the movie The Joker.
That's be cool. Especially if it wasn't super upfront about it, so you see her grow into it bit by bit until your realize you've been Apollyon all along.
What deeply rooted and got me into the game, was simply the general aesthetic. The knight's chanting in the background with a cello playing as you were examining your hero. The brutality of the game was certainly another reason my roots were so deep too, I loved it all. But of course, the simple facts that everyone had swords and you had to *gasp* block in the direction the hit was coming from?! It was like no other man, I'll truly miss the beginning stages of this game and all the roughness that it had.
Pair Apollyons final speech with one Warmomgers intro lines "Peace? Peace is poison" have always struck me as true to human nature. If you're at peace you're either dead or dying, as does a stagnant pool of water; the peace of it breeds pestilence in the form of mosquitoes. "You bring all your armies, and now what, you just... go home?" Often times when people are prepared to fight there's no stopping it. Blood is going to be spilled when people are seeing red. "I want you to admit what you are; my wolves" Even afer all the struggle of the campaign beforehand, all the death, all the people salin by your hands: you still lost. You came to stop a war, and in doing so started the very thing you fought to prevent. The situstuon leaves us with the notion that 'fighting is wrong' while with Appolyons dying breaths shows the player *fighting is in their nature* For as much flak as the campaign mode ever got, can't say it didn't poke the brain with some damn good food for thought.
Another great thing i think people miss, is how unafraid ForHonors story is of being cliche, you have a world with three big factions, Knights, Samurai and Vikings you arent told much about their societies and histories because youre meant to see the world from a warriors eyes, you just know that ''the vikings are brave and savage'' ''the samurai are honorable and skilled'' and ''the knights are righteous and stalwart'' stuff that could be interchangable but sets up the stereotypical image of these three groups perfectly, your Knight character is the standard protagonoist that has good heart, is brave, but also naive, your Viking character is agressive and hungry for glory. Theres still space for more original characters, but its great that for once you get to meet a new universe trough the eyes of the character archetypes that best represent it, instaed of some fanfic OC that SuBvErTs YoUr ExPeCtAtIoNs at every turn.
I really loved the ending cutscenes for the knights. Especially the ending shot on the second one, with all three of then standing there, and the music just kicks ass and helps it so much.
The world of For Honor is a grim and horrific place to live. Take a minute to imagine how many families are killed or separated. By a certain age you're probably expected to know how to fight. We see in the more recent seasons everyone is sick of fighting, they don't want to anymore but have to. If you listen to the lyrics of the breach music, the Knights just don't want the war anymore, the Vikings are praying for salvation, and the Samurai just want actual living conditions and for their culture to not die out. It's depressing reading through the lore (at least when you ignore the weird parts they shovel in for either an event or a new hero). Vela was our first villain character we've seen who doesn't enjoy what she does. Imagine that, a war that's been going on for so long nobody wants to fight it, but they don't trust each other enough to make peace.
I'm glad to hear I wasn't alone in thinking the story was criminally underrated. Every time I hear it mentioned it seems to get downplayed a lot, it's nice to hear somebody talk about the things it did exceptionally well!
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I've been saying this since the game released! The narrative is what tied me over to the game. I love apollyon so much that I implemented her into my DND games because I adore her that much..
Man it’s just insane that such a diverse and unique community can have such an amazing creator to fill our minds with incredible ideas and believes that not allow us to enjoy the game more, but to take into our own life’s. Thank you Slanderous for sharing your brilliant work
I have played through this game 6 times so far. Mainly with friends in coop. I realy liked the gameplay mainly. I did enjoyed the story but I didnt think mutch of it at the time. This does give me a new perspective tho. Finaly someone who doesnt trash the story. Thanks and keep it up
A little thing to note about everyone's nonchalant attitude to death and killing, that's basically how people act when they're desensitised to it. When you've seen death and been on it's doorstep all your life, it's only natural you'll live life more in the moment. It might be a hot take, but that's probably the most historically accurate thing about For Honour's story, the way everyone just goes with the flow.
I remember getting bullied for saying one of my favourite video game characters was Apollyon. Was hilarious when I explained why and they all ended up agreeing with me. She's probably one of the most well written characters in fiction, alongside characters like Ezio Auditore (funny, another Ubisoft character).
@Scott Memelord If you’d like to elaborate on why Ezio being compared to Apollyon is insulting then we’d love to hear it. Until then, here’s my reason on why Apollyon was a great character: Apollyon is a great character because although we know that she is mentally screwed up, she makes a valid point on how people will continue to fight, even if they don’t know the reason. (ARMSTROOOOOONG) Apollyon simply wants everyone to admit the unspeakable which is “I fight because it is who I am” rather than “I fight for justice” or “I fight for peace”, Although Apollyon wasn’t fleshed out the most in-game, she was fleshed out from her backstory and additional pieces of lore.
@@S0dapop583 ... You literally just answered your own question. lmao. It's a very unfair comparison considering one of these characters got like what 4 whole games and additional material of fleshing out and character development compared to a villain who had like around an hour or two of development at most? Like, bro. Think for a few seconds.
@@scottmemelord6130 I said the most not at all, she still has a great character and the extra lore bits are just about her childhood and how she got mentally screwed up in the first place. Even then, why are you treating my comment like I just slandered your name? I simply asked why was it insulting to have a character that needed 4 games of being fully fleshed out is standing next to Apollyon, a character who needed only about a bit of that time to establish her identity and impact on the story. People only need one game to say that someone is a great character, for AC examples, check Bayek of Siwa(Origins) The Kenway family (AC 3&4) and Shay Cormac(Rogue). But my point is, Ezio is supposed to get you invested in him because he's the main character, so we get emotionally invested like a parent watching a child grow up and gain wisdom. Apollyon, we don't need to like her or even respect her, we can just think that she was a crazed lunatic that lost herself. The point of Apollyon's character is to make the player and by extent, the characters in universe, question their own beliefs and truly wonder, "what am I fighting for? For honor(heh)?For peace?" and she succeeds.
@@S0dapop583 Okay look I'm not reading a novel every time you reply to me bro. I'm just saying claiming a character like Apollyon is anywhere near Ezio is insulting lmao. You kids sitting here saying she's the greatest villain in fiction clearly don't consume much media to begin with. Also, if a character like Apollyon is genuinely making you question your beliefs you must be pretty mentally weak, just saying. That's kinda sad. Apollyon just wasn't that great. And I feel like the only people who hold the opinion she was mega amazing just don't consume all that much media.
I just love the story mode of this game, compared to many other fighting game story modes, For Honor's is the best I've played and seen. Honestly, the story mode is just great, and now I'm in the mood to play it again.
You know another thing that I think really makes the story good is the fact it gives you the opportunity to explore the enviornments you play in. They are all gorgeous, especially the myre imo.
If you want to play this game because of the multiplayer anyway, then check out the story too. But i would not recommend to buy it because of the Story
God I love this video. I treasured For Honor as a fun, grounded combat game with a world that easily justifies the gameplay, and with so many cosmetic and a few character additions that are so baseless and over-the-top, it's become almost impossible to stay invested in the world or combat because of that narrative disconnect between the original world and story and the additions to it.
I've played through the campaign I think 7 times. On Normal, Hard and Realistic on Xbox. Then when I made the switch to PC, I played it on Hard and Realistic. Then I've taken 2 friends through it in Co-Op. It's still one of the only single player campaigns I would think about going through again.
The ending of the knight story is so good because the Viking warrior crying humanizes the Vikings and shows how war does indeed affect others and not just you
Apollion is one of the best villains is history. Not just because she is badass but also because at the end she won. And also because she was 100% right with everything. She belived that weak have to die and strong should wage war as it's a natural state of humans. And even while fighting against her, all the story characters proved her right. Strong always were killing weak and then wage war.
I remember seeing the opening mission on CZcams in 2017 and being so intrigued. I wasn’t even in to midevil games at the time and loved it from the start.
I don't give a shit about the new stories. For me, what brought me in was the cool-ass knights, and once I got into the story it was the tale of three civilisations that have been at war for over a millennium. People forged by wars which were started as a result of circumstances beyond their control, forcing them to hostility and brutality if they wanted to survive. It was the concept of seeing knights, vikings, samurai - fighting a war whose cause is no longer even remembered. The customisation and seeing your own characters fight it out in a dynamic map as you recreate and continue the conflict which has lasted for over a thousand years. It was mostly the cool-ass knights. Ashfeld, represent.
My intreperation of Apollyon was that she wasn't even an actual person, just the combined symbol for the human nature, everyone just deciding against their better judgement to cause more conflict.
i think this follows the saying "if you do something right, barely anyone will notice" this might fight the story. they did it right. i personally loved it. it was short but it was great. i wouldnt want it any different. i dont want anyone to try and replicate it because i dont think they could come close. just leave it as is.
Btw i recently played Of Orcs and Men (quite an old game) and now that you mention it i see the same thing happen in both games, albeit in different ways. Apollyon has you bring out the worst in people, making them her soldiers or having them die, and Barimen does the same thing, more to his own benefit though, letting you kill the emperor to take his place and build an alliance between his empire, the elves and dwarfs to eradicate the orcs and goblins. It seems that the most recognisable and compelling villains are those who make you work for them, who build their plot in a way that can be seen from two sides, but have you believe in only one of them, even though the hints were there all along. And that is mostly a sign of not only of a good game, but more than anything of good writing and a talent for storytelling.
i undestand why apollyon is your favourite villain but for me, it's sundowner he's dramatic humorous and vicious, he's a type of person i think even apollyon would be afraid of
The games story was what made me want to play the world the way it looks the way the characters act and the way the world was a semi realistic yet set in a different world was just so different to me when it comes to other video games and it's ashame tht when I start to play it which was y4s4 tht the game was getting mor fantasy
Only complaint with the last bossfight is how Orochi was the one who finished the job felt kind of anticlimactic for me but Warden giving the Warlords his sword to have a one last duel was awesome
What makes Apollyon an incredibly fascinating villain is that her brutality doesn't come from anger, but rather from a perspective of instruction. She doesn't hate or want vengeance, she accepts the cold truth that is humanity's need to grow and excel through conflict. You could almost say that there isn't any evil in her intent, it is simply a necessary lesson she wanted to share... and you know what they say, sharing is caring. Apollyon did nothing more than teach the world, and teaching is a way of showing love.
I think it’s great for the cutscenes how they show their emotion through body language without taking off helmets something I wish more of tv show and games did cough cough halo tv show
I love the use of “Knights/Promises” at the beginning of your video. The three faction themes hold such a special place in my heart and are so underutilized in the multiplayer. I got 100% the campaign and still play it from time to time. It is very nostalgic for me, as I have been playing it for 7 years.
Apollyon is still one of my favorite villains ever for the simple fact she wins. The MP literally takes place in her new and successful world of the strong rule.
She didn't want to make the strong rule at all tho, she wanted to make a point. Astrea wants to have the strong rule. Seems to me like you kinda missed the point of the campaign
@@blackg8r20 the world is wolves and sheep. The ones that fight are wolves the ones that wait for their death are weak and deserve it.
She hates the illusion of civilization like the vikings. Saying when it turns night or they go hungry they will eat another alive.
Seems like she just wants war. So therefore wants the wolves to see who they are
Mf missed the point
@@blackg8r20 Apollyon’s whole thing was getting rid of the weak or ‘sheep’ as she put it. Astrea just peeled away the metaphor and went with the literal interpretation of her ideology
@Njvikesfan 01 Apollyon didn't want to get rid of the weak. She only killed the weak if they pretended to be strong. Apollyon did what she did to bring out those who were actually strong. The wolves among each of the factions.
The best part about Apollyon I think is her own backstory. She's just a farm girl who had her village raided by the Warborn. Everyone but her died. This all of course could have been prevented because there was a Lawbringer staying nearby. But he was lazy and content and didn't help her village. Obviously she sought revenge. That's where her armor comes from, it's that Lawbringer's armor reshaped to fit her.
After her revenge she realized something. That strife and conflict, that small war she just waged, it made her stronger. Being content, like she and the Lawbringer had been, was wrong. Humanity needs to struggle to grow, as only the strongest can raise the next generation to be even stronger. A wolf pack, not a herd of sheep.
which also shows how flawed her own mentality is, and how her ideas sprout from that same place of vengance
Very well put!
@@riasuriasu8859 right?
@@elcatrinc1996 it proves her right if you look at our society
@@dream6562 no it does not, its medieval eugenics
For Honor’s Viking story is really funny, especially how goofy the Warlord and Berserker are.
I don’t speak Japanese
@@bababooey3023 Caught me off guard! XD
"This is no gate"
“RAIDEEEEEEEEER……………. RAAAAAAAAAAAAIDEEEEEEEEEEEEER”
@@gun6129"You talk too much"
For Honor 2017: a thoughtful look at human nature and the battle of those who want to exploit it vs those who want to suppress it in the name of higher ideals
For Honor 2023: “we need to fix the magic thing!”
*1 season later*
“ok we fixed the magic thing but we’re just gonna stay here lmao”
The best summary of for honor I've ever read
BuT yOu DoNt GeT iT iT wAs AlWaYs A FaNtAsY sEtTiNg
as someone who's been drifting in and out of the game for the past few years...yeah its confusing on exactly what is going on (at this point i think the only reason as to why they still have this "magic" stuff going on is to sell effects and random stuff)
Btw, it's really hard to make an enticing theme for every season that has meaning and lore to it when many players simply ignore it and complain about everything they see.
Ex: "wHeRe ArE nEw MaPs?!?!!?" "DeAd GaMe!!!!"
@@CaptDuty491 I think the concepts of what they have are/can be inherently interesting, I just think that they’re handled less well than they should be. Especially considering that this game has a dedicated lore team
They put more thought into the story then anything else in 6 years
I like my own comments cause they dame good comments.
@@Johnthesheep based ubi criticiser
I can feel this post.
Ubisoft moment
@@goblinslayer7806 They're French. It's 50-50 whether what they do is brilliant or brainless
I love how they never updated the story so no matter how many reworks there are u can still experience the game as it was day one and appreciate how it's grown. Also we can't forget one of the best lines in the story. "I don't speak Japanese"
Grown is a strong word
I think it actually did get an update or two at the beginning iirc, but other than that a perfect timecapsule
@@notatruck2640 agreed. The fact they got rid of minion killing animations because it “slowed down gameplay” is absolutely criminal.
@@winchelseabeach4863 Unironically.
@@winchelseabeach4863 i quit the game shortly after this because i knew it was just Ubisoft's code for "we are starting to get very lazy and this game will now rapidly go downhill"
A lot of people really misunderstand story-writing, and how difficult it can be to make something that doesn’t just follow a common trope. I will always be impressed with the way the characters feel balanced with each other here, instead of 1 main character dominating everything, and Apollyon ultimately being the victor in the end, using realistic aspects of human nature to win, instead of the hero being the most morally superior character in the world. It shows that the protagonists can fail, and will fail, if they can’t find common ground through understanding and learning from each other, instead of a short pep talk and a week or 2 of training.
Apollyon: "So let me get this straight, you Brought an Army to my doorstep, Killed half of My Men, Slaughtered My People, AND Stabbed me 5 Times! And all for What?"
Me: "For Peace! If we kill you, Peace will Return!"
Apollyon: "Hehm..Hehehehe, you are one naive Summer child...It doesn't work like that...."
*Apollyon looks down from above the Balcony*
Apollyon: "War...Only starts when 2 armies collide...They fight...Regardless of...What you do....."
*As she said, Armies were still at Battle and no one wanted to stop*
Apollyon: "And....Among the...Survivals....Lie the...Strongest ones......That...Is what...You are......A Wolf...."
Me: "Silence! You manipulated everyone into War! Civil Wars and National Wars!"
Apollyon: "Eh...Heheh.....You are...As naive as the day I left you......See for yourself....Even if...I die.....War......will still.....rage.....on........"
*thudd*
Apollyon died and I stood at Loss, looking at the Army I created ruin a City and how the Opposing Army continued to fight back.
"What am I fighting for..?."
(I know this is Ultra Inaccurate, but this is my Genuine Reaction after completing the game, TODAY!)
Yeah they didn't have the power of friendship smh
they didnt even have to take off their helmets lol
i cant be the only one who can still hear female zerk screaming raider to this day
Berserker boss fight in a nutshell
She has a name guys! It is "Siv"
@@themphantom9138 sif
@@GrimViridian has very good boss music
R a i d e r
"He stumbles upon a conqueror with the exaggerated swagger of a blackstone knight"
that is the last thing i ever expected you to say but it was fucking hilarious what the hell
Actually adore the story mode, got some cool characters
Same. I still replay it every now and then.
Indeed
Yeah but, how about we add some magic rocks and then never touch on that ever again 🤓
Hired
Why would they? Draconite isn't supposed to be some Macguffin, it's just a Thing the warmongers found and Gryphon learned to use. Tyranny wasn't about Draconite, It was about Astrea and the warmongers as the main focus. It's like asking for lore on the wu Lin's Firecrackers or the Bear traps the Vikings use. Granted not as boring, but still not necessary.
Besides you can infer some info about it. It's a mineral so it's an organic resource probably mined from somewhere, And it has similar properties to poisonous plants like Mandrake and Foxglove that can let it be used as a medicine or poison depending on how it's prepared.
@@MementoMori7777 I'm pretty sure they said it came from space... so... alien shit.
@@LunrFox it could most certainly just come from an asteroid.
@@LunrFox He'll, everything on this planet came from "some alien shit" at one point lol
What got me into this game? Getting to play a male warden with a long sword. What kept me from leaving the game was the introduction of a hero with lawbringer esc armor and a great sword; Warmonger. It's not because the game was more grounded with its fantasy back then that got me hooked. it was simply because I got to play with an armored knight using my favorite weapon
Flamberge supremacy
zweihander enjoyer here
@@TK-7193 The zweihander is the weapon that uses Highlander bro... Not Astrea
@@justalockheedf-117nighthaw7 i dont recall asking who uses the zweihander. so buzz off before i activate a nearby C-RAM site.
Same almost, I quit because I like to get immersed and role play for less of a better word in games. I want my mp charachter to feel like me which is one of the advantages of the knights with their helmets, So when the warden rework was super underwhelming and warmonger so stupidly was gender locked as female I quit after years of playtime and at one point reaching top 200 in mmr for warden.
I liked the original vibe of For Honor because it was "simple", no mumbo jumbo magic or trying to include every single part of the world and include an incoherent story that feels like a modern cartoon, just three normal factions in a normal world trying to make a living after a minor case of apocalypse
So glad I'm not alone. Apollyon has to be one of, if not flat out, my favorite antagonist(s) in fiction. I was surprised at how good the ending was. It had teeth, which was... interesting, coming from Ubisoft.
Apollyon's monologue right before her death was honest to goodness, haunting. The way the dominoes all fell right into place, right when she decided.
you cant be for real....
Mfw I only play for honor:
@@legitplayin6977
Eh. There are better ones. But still, I really like Apollyon.
@@Exel3ncewhy not? People are allowed to like things that you don’t, for whatever reasons they choose.
@@Exel3ncethese people are actually delusional thinking any of the writing in this game is good
9:30 Apollyon being the narrator for the lore was one of my favorite parts. It shows that she took serious time and consideration before coming to her end philosophy. She sought out every faction, every philosophy, and every religion. It fascinating to hear what she has to say on all the topics and she doesn't just how right dismiss things that aren't war.It makes her
It's also an amusing mental image of Apollyon sitting through various church sessions and paying genuine attention or examining and appreciating art. I find that juxtaposition funny
every night I stay awake thinking how outstanding this game could be with some amount of care given to it...
Imagine dude, the current budget I bet is super limited and still it keeps improving
Imagine if they weren't retarded from the start and had real servers at launch. Maybe we wouldn't have lost 90% of our player base in the first 3 months
@@rapaelis2823 everyone always whines about budget such a lame excuse
Not story-wise, unfortunately. The theme and lore of each new season feel more and more random and unimportant for the world of the game.
They keep working on the balance and polishing mechanics but they're clearly saving on good writers.
@@kurbiskuchenliebhaber it’s not an excuse? if there is no money, nothing happens. do u understand what capitalism is?
9:55 "For Honor has strayed so far from what it used to be, it pains me to think about what this game could be if we had kept the original aesthetic" Couldn't have said it better myself. This line summarizes my feelings towards For Honor for like 3 years.
I guess we're at a point (generally, not just in video games) where simple stories that just work are "mid" instead of "good", where we all expect something to be always extraordinary, and can't get satisfied enough by the ordinary
Big Knight fights Big Viking fights Big Samurai is good enough for me
Warlord: "So what did we say?"
Valk: "I don't speak Japanese"
That is my favorite interaction in the story.
Peak fiction
I absolutely love the story, combat is of course outdated but i enjoyed it. The only problem i have is that warden doesn't get to be the one to kill apollyon.
It makes sense that the worlds greatest swordsman could be the only one to beat Apollyon
@@bababooey3023 she wanted him to defeat her so if it was warden he would win too
@@bababooey3023yeah the vikings and knights had the biggest reason to actually get to kill her. All the samurai guy did was brake out of prison he had least right to get it in my opinion.
@@tonyolsson3880 war doesn't work like that, I like the ending because he shouldn't have been the one to kill her
@@FeedMeChaos1 i didn't say it was wrong. Its just a nit pick i have. I just want the warden to have gotten it in terms of losing the most between the 3. Of course this is how apollyon counted for the end.
The story mode contains so much nostalgia for me it's unreal. The cutscenes resemble the older graphics that the game had which I adore, and the gameplay and sound design was so much more gritty and immersive. Even the soundtrack was amazing. It was also just about Knights vs Vikings vs Samurai, which was what for honor was always meant to be.
I always said that I wanted a kind of Game of Thrones style prequel following Apollyon, Holden Cross, and Daubany. It could have three storylines that intersect in the finale.
Keep in mind, what I put below I just came up off the top of my head.
One (arguably both the least and most important) follows Apollyon as she climbs up the ranks of the Blackstone legion, while at the same time driving the other legions out of Ashfeld. Perhaps it could be a sort of tragic villain story, have her start off as slightly idealistic (if a little jaded) and then slowly become what we see her as in the main story due to all the backstabbing and decadence she witnesses.
The second story line could follow Holden Cross as he follow's Apollyon's orders and begins the Blackstone legions conquest of Ashfeld; and show him struggling with his "my master, right or wrong" mentality, as he struggles to maintain his honor in the face of the inherit dishonor war brings.
And the last story line (and arguably the main one) could follow Daubany as he tries to find his place in Ashfeld. I see him being a a sort of Bronn of the Blackwater kind of figure, albeit less unfettered; with him starting off as a lowly sellsword (kind of like how our Warden started in the campaign), and then doing a task that gets him recruited into the Blackstone Legion.
As the story progresses, Daubany and Cross constantly butt heads due to their differing world views and feelings about honor (the former being a pragmatist, while the later is obsessed with it); but ultimately, the finale would be both men realizing what Apollyon really wants with Ashfeld.
Cross thinks he can temper her expectations, while Daubany see's the situation for what it is and show's that he's arguably more moral than Cross by taking those under his command and splitting off from the Blackstone Legion and forming a rebellion (to further underscore the similarities between Daubany and the PC Warden); with the show ending with the canonical battle in the beginning of the campaign, and a sort of epilogue with a scribe talking to Cross and Daubany as they reflect on what happened (and to be a sort of framing device).
Very interesting idea, however I think it should be split up with chapters just like the normal base game with three factions to play as with their own prequels as focusing on the Knights to a game trying to diversify characters is a bad idea
I love the knight story, it has a heart and some twists, the other two are more like background lore got animated (outside of some moments that stand out). I only wish the story circled around back to the Warden for the final battle. Speaking of which it's just knights vs knights vs samurai, with vikings showing up at the last moment as an afterthought. They have a story role there (keep the fighting an mistrust going), but they could've worked them in as a second front storming the castle for loot and make it a three way fight.
As far as simple stories go, I really like them when they're one properly an hit all the right notes, such has the original Force Unleashed campaign.
I think the scene that really shows how good a simple story line with subtle villains on it is the Viking beheading scene. The sheer bewilderment by both Holden and the Raider they share when she congratulates the Raider for killing 40 of her own men......its like the small moment you realise how truly diabolical and smart Apollyon is in what her end goal was for how simple the story was. Like who praises their enemy for going on a killing spree on their own men? Jesus, I'd shit my pants if I was Holden and the Raider too.
Talking about the memes and comedy in the story mode, I can't help but think of my personal favorite. The Valkyrie doing all her scouting in the Myre, trying to get intel on this Samurai threat. Gudmundr finally catches up to her on the dock, "Well? What did they say?" The first time I saw this cutscene I remember thinking to myself "wtf, are they gonna just skip the fact that she doesn't speak their language?" Valkyrie: "I don't speak Japanese."
The story is actually really dope, but that's why I wish that it was expanded to include the wu lin and heros that are actual characters and not a type of fighter (like gryphon, the evolution of the lawbringer from the story, versus warden or berserker, who is just a warden or berserker of many) there would be so many interesting interactions
Yeah honestly I feel like that would have been much better hearing characters interact with each other mid fight it would be so cool
I don't know man. Not every voice acting is that great. Like the "I don't speak japanese"
However
I wish I could hear my boy Cent all the time as a narrator.
I truly love Appolyon and warden voice. And the campain lore, Appolyon pholosophy is great to witness and ending in the Appolyon castle is just pure perfection. I totally agree on that. Lore reading Appolyon is gorgeus, If only we could get more female characters like her
I wish there were singleplayer dlc's for the game
What do you mean? That line is peak For Honor
It's true that For Honor's story is really unique. Silence, blood, clever and musics that make me really melancholic. I crave this simple and darker shade of the game. Not the move shining, magical effect and redondant story about "We shall do what Appolyon did again".
In one of the findable clues on the final missions, the secret tunnels out of the castle were already covered up, implying that Apollyon never intended to leave
The only word I can think of to describe For Honor's story is "masterpiece". It truly brings identity to For Honor's world. Most people who say the story and/or lore doesn't matter or says that it's bad doesn't appreciate what For Honor is, they just see it as another fighting game. This game is something truly special, something that I can only hope gets topped by another entry or a sequel.
For Honour's story is basically one of those really good, halfway accurate medieval dramas that went under a lot of people's radar, but the few who did get into it witnessed pure greatness of storytelling and have been left wanting more than 1 season ever since.
1:33 you mention the voice acting and dialogue being good, I LOVE the sounds too. That loud CLANG when you block and attack, that vicious shredding with sparks flying after you parry a light, it’s all awesome!
Finally someone recognizes For Honor’s story. I sure do miss the early days ;(
I'm actually of the mindset that the story was just okay. It was far too short and I still don't like how it ended. Not the peace talks at the very end- I'm annoyed that it was the orochi who fought Apollyon and not the Warden we played at the beginning of the game during the knight story. Idk the viking story was cool, the knight story was solid too but by the time I go to the samurai story it just felt like I got through the other two sections of the campaign way too quickly and thus my enjoyment of it faded.
Edit: I'll add, this is just my opinion.
Honestly same, I was kinda expecting some kind of chapter where we ether swapped between the three or choosed one to fight apollyon
It's not just the cutscenes in this game, (imo) the first trailer during E3 2016 where the three armies fight over the puddle of fresh water is highly underrated. Especially the ending with Apollyon egging on the conflict.
Good to know there are more folks who love this campaign!
As for what hooked me... literally the thought of Knights vs Vikings vs Samurai!! It was like a dream fight come true back when the first "Gameplay" trailer was shown.
it breaks my heart to think about the potential of this campaign
The thing that sticks with me and really makes this campaign good and memorable is the near perfect blend of cheese/camp with serious undertones. For every "rAiDeR!!" You have a "I took an oath to fight for peace. So did you. All of you."
That and I just adore the setting. The idea of a humanity pushed to the brink with some people desperately trying to pull it back from the edge while others fan the flames is just so interesting and fun for me. Alongside the bleak atmosphere and ceaseless, unrelenting war it's all just 👌
It reminds me of 40k in a lot of ways, actually. But with the restraint to ease up on the edginess every once in a while, so you have just a smidge of levity to juxtapose the hopelessness and violence.
man, the campaign really does remind me of the love that used allowed to be poured into it. its a shame money wins out over love
I loved the part where the viking says "ÉG RÍFI ÞIG Í BITA!" that stuck with me.
thank you for telling more people about this masterpiece
The characters personalities are my favorite part of the game. A single player or coop mode/game with some real effort could be great.
The For Honor campaign is one of my favorites of all time. I am happy that someone is finally giving it some credit.
I've been writing a book for more than a year now, and one of my major inspirations were the story mode in for honor. The plot is actually fantastic, a millennium of war, so lost to time that they just fight to survive. The characters are just amazing as well. The story mode borders on psychological thriller at times. For a unique new game, for honor outdid itself in the story department. I wish we saw more games with nuisanced and interesting story modes like it.
"What happens now...? You all just go home? You came into MY home, you brought your armies, what did you think was going to happen? Peace? Don't speak to me of your virtues... Duty... Kinship... Honor. You've forgotten what you are."
"War... All you want is war."
"All I want is for you to admit what you really are. My... Wolves.."
Man I love Apollyon's last scene so much I still go back and watch it.
I've been thinking about the sequel to for honor and honestly the best story beat they could do is an origin story of Appolyon. Imagine going through the experiences that shaped her into what she is. What trauma, broken alliances and accomplishments she went through. It could be a mix between Berserk's Golden age and the movie The Joker.
Lol, lmao even
That's be cool. Especially if it wasn't super upfront about it, so you see her grow into it bit by bit until your realize you've been Apollyon all along.
What deeply rooted and got me into the game, was simply the general aesthetic. The knight's chanting in the background with a cello playing as you were examining your hero. The brutality of the game was certainly another reason my roots were so deep too, I loved it all. But of course, the simple facts that everyone had swords and you had to *gasp* block in the direction the hit was coming from?! It was like no other man, I'll truly miss the beginning stages of this game and all the roughness that it had.
"As long as there's two people left on this planet, someone is gonna want someone dead" - Sniper tf2
Pair Apollyons final speech with one Warmomgers intro lines "Peace? Peace is poison" have always struck me as true to human nature. If you're at peace you're either dead or dying, as does a stagnant pool of water; the peace of it breeds pestilence in the form of mosquitoes.
"You bring all your armies, and now what, you just... go home?" Often times when people are prepared to fight there's no stopping it. Blood is going to be spilled when people are seeing red.
"I want you to admit what you are; my wolves" Even afer all the struggle of the campaign beforehand, all the death, all the people salin by your hands: you still lost. You came to stop a war, and in doing so started the very thing you fought to prevent.
The situstuon leaves us with the notion that 'fighting is wrong' while with Appolyons dying breaths shows the player *fighting is in their nature*
For as much flak as the campaign mode ever got, can't say it didn't poke the brain with some damn good food for thought.
This video is just as artful as the for honor story line it makes me want to cry how comes I didn’t find you sooner
Another great thing i think people miss, is how unafraid ForHonors story is of being cliche, you have a world with three big factions, Knights, Samurai and Vikings you arent told much about their societies and histories because youre meant to see the world from a warriors eyes, you just know that ''the vikings are brave and savage'' ''the samurai are honorable and skilled'' and ''the knights are righteous and stalwart'' stuff that could be interchangable but sets up the stereotypical image of these three groups perfectly, your Knight character is the standard protagonoist that has good heart, is brave, but also naive, your Viking character is agressive and hungry for glory. Theres still space for more original characters, but its great that for once you get to meet a new universe trough the eyes of the character archetypes that best represent it, instaed of some fanfic OC that SuBvErTs YoUr ExPeCtAtIoNs at every turn.
Good to see someone talking about the campaign, this videos popping off too. Nice.
I really loved the ending cutscenes for the knights. Especially the ending shot on the second one, with all three of then standing there, and the music just kicks ass and helps it so much.
The world of For Honor is a grim and horrific place to live. Take a minute to imagine how many families are killed or separated. By a certain age you're probably expected to know how to fight. We see in the more recent seasons everyone is sick of fighting, they don't want to anymore but have to. If you listen to the lyrics of the breach music, the Knights just don't want the war anymore, the Vikings are praying for salvation, and the Samurai just want actual living conditions and for their culture to not die out. It's depressing reading through the lore (at least when you ignore the weird parts they shovel in for either an event or a new hero). Vela was our first villain character we've seen who doesn't enjoy what she does. Imagine that, a war that's been going on for so long nobody wants to fight it, but they don't trust each other enough to make peace.
Playing story mode after new heroes, reworks general gameplay upgrades and more is like stepping in a time capsule, good vid bro
“The exaggerated swagger of a Blackstone knight” is peak comedy
I'm glad to hear I wasn't alone in thinking the story was criminally underrated. Every time I hear it mentioned it seems to get downplayed a lot, it's nice to hear somebody talk about the things it did exceptionally well!
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I've been saying this since the game released! The narrative is what tied me over to the game. I love apollyon so much that I implemented her into my DND games because I adore her that much..
Man it’s just insane that such a diverse and unique community can have such an amazing creator to fill our minds with incredible ideas and believes that not allow us to enjoy the game more, but to take into our own life’s. Thank you Slanderous for sharing your brilliant work
Now talk about the funny rocks from year 4, and how much of a "cool" idea it was
I hadn't realized she wanted to die, but knew that she didn't mind dying. She accomplished her goal, win or lose.
Stone is unironically one of the best side characters I've ever seen. Tbh I would probably put him over everyone except maybe Stigandr and Helvar.
Good old Stone is really great it's a shame that you can't recreate him in Multiplayer
@@Hellisforever240 Yeah man i looked for any way possible to recreate him but gave up on getting the skull ornament from ranked
@@whitelinez378 Not just that you also can't get the shoulder ornaments. It's really a shame.
I have played through this game 6 times so far. Mainly with friends in coop. I realy liked the gameplay mainly. I did enjoyed the story but I didnt think mutch of it at the time. This does give me a new perspective tho. Finaly someone who doesnt trash the story. Thanks and keep it up
A little thing to note about everyone's nonchalant attitude to death and killing, that's basically how people act when they're desensitised to it. When you've seen death and been on it's doorstep all your life, it's only natural you'll live life more in the moment. It might be a hot take, but that's probably the most historically accurate thing about For Honour's story, the way everyone just goes with the flow.
I remember getting bullied for saying one of my favourite video game characters was Apollyon. Was hilarious when I explained why and they all ended up agreeing with me. She's probably one of the most well written characters in fiction, alongside characters like Ezio Auditore (funny, another Ubisoft character).
Implying Apollyon is even close to a character like Ezio is downright insulting actually. lol. Bruh.
@Scott Memelord If you’d like to elaborate on why Ezio being compared to Apollyon is insulting then we’d love to hear it. Until then, here’s my reason on why Apollyon was a great character:
Apollyon is a great character because although we know that she is mentally screwed up, she makes a valid point on how people will continue to fight, even if they don’t know the reason. (ARMSTROOOOOONG) Apollyon simply wants everyone to admit the unspeakable which is “I fight because it is who I am” rather than “I fight for justice” or “I fight for peace”, Although Apollyon wasn’t fleshed out the most in-game, she was fleshed out from her backstory and additional pieces of lore.
@@S0dapop583 ... You literally just answered your own question. lmao.
It's a very unfair comparison considering one of these characters got like what 4 whole games and additional material of fleshing out and character development compared to a villain who had like around an hour or two of development at most?
Like, bro. Think for a few seconds.
@@scottmemelord6130 I said the most not at all, she still has a great character and the extra lore bits are just about her childhood and how she got mentally screwed up in the first place. Even then, why are you treating my comment like I just slandered your name? I simply asked why was it insulting to have a character that needed 4 games of being fully fleshed out is standing next to Apollyon, a character who needed only about a bit of that time to establish her identity and impact on the story. People only need one game to say that someone is a great character, for AC examples, check Bayek of Siwa(Origins) The Kenway family (AC 3&4) and Shay Cormac(Rogue). But my point is, Ezio is supposed to get you invested in him because he's the main character, so we get emotionally invested like a parent watching a child grow up and gain wisdom. Apollyon, we don't need to like her or even respect her, we can just think that she was a crazed lunatic that lost herself. The point of Apollyon's character is to make the player and by extent, the characters in universe, question their own beliefs and truly wonder, "what am I fighting for? For honor(heh)?For peace?" and she succeeds.
@@S0dapop583 Okay look I'm not reading a novel every time you reply to me bro.
I'm just saying claiming a character like Apollyon is anywhere near Ezio is insulting lmao.
You kids sitting here saying she's the greatest villain in fiction clearly don't consume much media to begin with.
Also, if a character like Apollyon is genuinely making you question your beliefs you must be pretty mentally weak, just saying. That's kinda sad. Apollyon just wasn't that great. And I feel like the only people who hold the opinion she was mega amazing just don't consume all that much media.
I just love the story mode of this game, compared to many other fighting game story modes, For Honor's is the best I've played and seen. Honestly, the story mode is just great, and now I'm in the mood to play it again.
You know another thing that I think really makes the story good is the fact it gives you the opportunity to explore the enviornments you play in. They are all gorgeous, especially the myre imo.
For Honors campaign is a museum of a time long past wrapped up in an amazing story.
At least for me.
"You're here because you wanted to be something you're not. A hero." -Apollyon, probably.
If you want to play this game because of the multiplayer anyway, then check out the story too. But i would not recommend to buy it because of the Story
It's such a shame this game didn't get the mainstream love after launch. It is byfar my favorite Multiplayer game.
God I love this video. I treasured For Honor as a fun, grounded combat game with a world that easily justifies the gameplay, and with so many cosmetic and a few character additions that are so baseless and over-the-top, it's become almost impossible to stay invested in the world or combat because of that narrative disconnect between the original world and story and the additions to it.
I absolutely love Apollyon, the badass character, the awesome VA, everything.
I will never get over the stretchy chainmail on the knights
For Honor's campaign mode is unironically one of the best 2010s co-op campaign experiences out there in my opinion. Thanks for the dope video
2:48 We have a Man of culture here!
They should seriously release the Story mode part 2 with all the new heroes added since then
I’ve always thought this. I have a vivid memory of the final fight between orochi and Apollyon, the voice acting gave me chills bru
Dude I totally didn’t pick up on that she wanted to die to continue the war. Even more appreciation for the story now. Thank you
I've played through the campaign I think 7 times. On Normal, Hard and Realistic on Xbox. Then when I made the switch to PC, I played it on Hard and Realistic. Then I've taken 2 friends through it in Co-Op. It's still one of the only single player campaigns I would think about going through again.
I love how you feel badass during the cutscene
The ending of the knight story is so good because the Viking warrior crying humanizes the Vikings and shows how war does indeed affect others and not just you
Apollion is one of the best villains is history. Not just because she is badass but also because at the end she won. And also because she was 100% right with everything. She belived that weak have to die and strong should wage war as it's a natural state of humans. And even while fighting against her, all the story characters proved her right. Strong always were killing weak and then wage war.
I remember seeing the opening mission on CZcams in 2017 and being so intrigued. I wasn’t even in to midevil games at the time and loved it from the start.
I don't give a shit about the new stories. For me, what brought me in was the cool-ass knights, and once I got into the story it was the tale of three civilisations that have been at war for over a millennium. People forged by wars which were started as a result of circumstances beyond their control, forcing them to hostility and brutality if they wanted to survive.
It was the concept of seeing knights, vikings, samurai - fighting a war whose cause is no longer even remembered. The customisation and seeing your own characters fight it out in a dynamic map as you recreate and continue the conflict which has lasted for over a thousand years.
It was mostly the cool-ass knights. Ashfeld, represent.
My intreperation of Apollyon was that she wasn't even an actual person, just the combined symbol for the human nature, everyone just deciding against their better judgement to cause more conflict.
i think this follows the saying "if you do something right, barely anyone will notice"
this might fight the story. they did it right.
i personally loved it. it was short but it was great.
i wouldnt want it any different. i dont want anyone to try and replicate it because i dont think they could come close.
just leave it as is.
The cutscene between the warden and the warlord was hauntingly beautiful and I've been saying it for years. Like Jesus christ
Btw i recently played Of Orcs and Men (quite an old game) and now that you mention it i see the same thing happen in both games, albeit in different ways. Apollyon has you bring out the worst in people, making them her soldiers or having them die, and Barimen does the same thing, more to his own benefit though, letting you kill the emperor to take his place and build an alliance between his empire, the elves and dwarfs to eradicate the orcs and goblins. It seems that the most recognisable and compelling villains are those who make you work for them, who build their plot in a way that can be seen from two sides, but have you believe in only one of them, even though the hints were there all along. And that is mostly a sign of not only of a good game, but more than anything of good writing and a talent for storytelling.
you got me at "for me it was cool knights", we are literally the same
Love the last character you play, the samurai who kill the antagonist
i undestand why apollyon is your favourite villain but for me, it's sundowner he's dramatic humorous and vicious, he's a type of person i think even apollyon would be afraid of
The games story was what made me want to play the world the way it looks the way the characters act and the way the world was a semi realistic yet set in a different world was just so different to me when it comes to other video games and it's ashame tht when I start to play it which was y4s4 tht the game was getting mor fantasy
Only complaint with the last bossfight is how Orochi was the one who finished the job felt kind of anticlimactic for me but Warden giving the Warlords his sword to have a one last duel was awesome
What makes Apollyon an incredibly fascinating villain is that her brutality doesn't come from anger, but rather from a perspective of instruction. She doesn't hate or want vengeance, she accepts the cold truth that is humanity's need to grow and excel through conflict. You could almost say that there isn't any evil in her intent, it is simply a necessary lesson she wanted to share... and you know what they say, sharing is caring. Apollyon did nothing more than teach the world, and teaching is a way of showing love.
Finally people are talking about the story. I love it lol.
I love the plot of a look into humanity and its natural decent into conflict
I think it’s great for the cutscenes how they show their emotion through body language without taking off helmets something I wish more of tv show and games did cough cough halo tv show
"Daubeny ! Daubeny ! Daubeny !" i love it when reapeted infinitely
"I don't speak japanese" that one is just so funny
“Apollyon is my favorite villain in fiction”
Bruh, her only personally train is that she likes war
I love the use of “Knights/Promises” at the beginning of your video. The three faction themes hold such a special place in my heart and are so underutilized in the multiplayer. I got 100% the campaign and still play it from time to time. It is very nostalgic for me, as I have been playing it for 7 years.