Time Team S14-E10 The Cheyne Gang, Chesham Bois, Bucks
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- Julia Plaistowe, the owner of Chesham Bois House, is a keen gardener. Over the years, she's turned up 17th-century and medieval tiles beneath the greenhouse, uncovered medieval pottery in the flowerbeds, and noticed strange lumps and bumps at the bottom of the garden.
From an early 18th-century map she knew that her current house, which dates from around 1820, was built on the site of a much larger property. But this 1735 map is the only known illustration of that building. Nor are there any descriptions of what it looked like - in fact, there's nothing that could tell Julia when it was built, what it looked like or what lies beneath the surface in her garden.
Historical records, however, trace the ownership of the manor here back to the reign of Edward the Confessor; and we know of a manor house in the vicinity from at least the 1420s. This was when it came into the ownership of the Cheyne family, whose colourful reputation for violence and possibly heresy didn't prevent them from becoming pillars of the local establishment until their line died out in the first half of the 18th century.
Time Team was called in by Julia Plaistowe, as the modern-day heir to the former Cheyne manor, to see what could be discovered about its past.
I love it when the camera crew sets up a shot such that the evening or morning sun backlights Mick Aston's dandelion-clock head, as at 43:27. Makes him look like one of the medieval saints whose chapels and wells he dug up. Yes, I know that he was an almost militant atheist. That's why I love the shots so much. Brits have such a lovely sense of irony.
John and Stewart are living time machines. They see things then the dig changes the whole picture. Wonderful viewing.
Thank you for these videos. I’m American and at this point I know so much more about British
history than my own. I tried Time Team America but was soon disappointed.
Stewarts ALWAYS "in a world of his own"! 😂 I think Stewart does amazing detective work.
That man reads the land like some kind of wizard
Love Stewart! As I go through countryside, I find myself looking at hills and dips and thinking, "Hmm, Stewart would know exactly what that shows. And he'd have the maps to prove it." Have learned so much from Time Team!!!
The whole team have their own individual strengths. Brought together they are absolutely professional and make an amazing and formidable team. Watching them has taught me a lot and showed me the complexities of archaeology. It also shows me that the original archaeologists of the 19th century were at a distinct disadvantage because it takes more than one man with a vision and a team of labourers to really unpick the complex and confusing underground marvel of historical artifacts. It is interesting how much like a modern medical specialist you have to be. Brought together the passion of these archeologists has earned them a great respect from anyone watching them. I am grateful to the organisation that compiled this series because it makes you weary of trying layman archaeology without an educated archaeologist present for fear that you would not only not be able to read what you have uncovered but you could inadvertently damage the relics. I also appreciate the amount of background work involved which ties the recorded history of the sites and how much information has been revealed about the culture and ethos of the people, rulers and religious houses from the different eras. This in my mind is better than any movie or novel. I love how their finds either justify or debunk what is shown in historical documentation proving the truth. It is nice to see the commoners given pride of place next to royalty and aristocracy.
"I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GEOLOGY!?!!" - John Gater
Love how Stewart thinks!
I got very interested in geology as a child and I have been known to walk around staring at the land around me and seeing how the land formed. I see that "seeing beyond the surface" in Stewart . And I love it!
Thank you for posting this! I love watching these - I feel I learn so much about UK history each time I watch an episode.
Stewart and Phil are rock stars!!!
Archaeology proves yet another underlying thing, that the crooks villains and bullies prosper at the expense of others, with royal/governmental backing... not much has changed then!!
At the very least, the Chenies seemed to have turned their lives around in the end...
With a house built on a foundation of skeletons lol. This is why blood feuds are still a thing..
Whichever epoch you study, this factor has always, right throughout the history of mankind been the same.
I often look at the old sayings of our ancestors and now being myself of a more advanced age get to appreciate them and their application more. The old saying money is the root of all evil is reflected here. If you have so much wealth that you do not have to work or struggle to make ends meet then you lose interest in the aspect of wealth. However, with an evil and misdirected mind you look at other options to use your wealthy position and status and begin to crave power.
Power means you can make others less fortunate or wealthy (including kings) jump like a bunch of frogs. This can also lead you to believe you are invincible and can make you foster a perverse feeling of superiority which leads to cruel and heartless behaviour.
On a lighter but appropriate note: I worked in an office located in a high end department store and witnessed the emotional state of bored rich female 'Cougars'. There were one or two who were being continually arrested by the store security for shop lifting. They were ushered into the managers office, their husbands were called and their lawyers came to either bail them out of the situation or take care of any legal proceedings. Once or twice the husbands came to the store and there was an unholy loud argument between the spouses.
These particular ladies thrived on the attention and when they came into the premises I am sure they enjoyed having an entourage of staff and security following their every movement and tracking them.
Because of the status of the store the staff had to behave in a very discreet and professional manner. However, people are human and if these ladies only realised how they were mocked when they left they.might not have felt so comfortable.
Qui Sera Sera.
It is wild how many European societies/governments were started by criminals, "undesireables" etc. Then we forget and think we're civilized
The first generation is a crook, by the third or fourth the big money has sent the children to good schools, plus marry into a better class. One also sees a person from a formerly wealthy family with nothing left but their aristocratic appearance, a beautiful accent, and exquisite manners.
If you watch all of the episodes.. there’s the occasional well done zing at the monarchy, the upper crustys and the ultra monied.. when the Titled Ones occasionally appear on the show, 😂😂 they’re so stereotypical it’s absurd… there is some really really clever stuff in the production room, you just have to catch it.. showcasing the right ‘Honorable’ Dip$hit juuuust right.. lol
I live in Massachusetts.. we have “royalty” but it’s completely different than what goes on in Britain.. I’m really not sure how I’d feel about it if I lived there ..
…because everyone else knows that a title doesn’t actually make you any different than anyone else..
🤔🤔 Things only have the power you give them.. so titles today are basically meaningless..
ATB! 😊
"A story of a family that arrived as outsiders and left as viscounts. A story that gets to the very heart of how british society was shaped." Wellwellwell. Taken into the context of the family in question, picturesquely pictured as some kind of brutal Mafia-Gang refining itself into nobility on a base of definitely ill-gotten gains, an innocent bystander might mistake this last heartening message by Tony for healthy dose sarcasm...
The ice cream in the Chenies farm shop is delicious... their influence is still felt to this day...
Still looking for series 1. Lovely job to bring us so much Time Team, thank you.
Leopararouen To quote Mick: Strewth!
It was posted today!
Go to the Search icon in a CZcams screen and type in: Time Team S01 press the enter key 😊
Thank you for posting. This is such a wonderful program.
The village gets its name from the de Bosco family (the French version of which was "de Bois") and by 1213 in the reign of King John a William du Bois was holding the manor.
9:59 It's true what they say that history repeats itself.
We also found a similar hearth, only 1 metre square though at Hunwaldesham Manor in the mid 60s, sadly it is now under a sewage treatment works.
Thank you so much for posting this love this show
The present house is big but the old map showed the manor to be huge, at least 10 times as big!
God bless you for uploading these
Rotating the map 180º gives the same view as most of the maps they're looking at during the show:
51°41'16.9"N 0°36'01.6"W
I Swear Tony takes special relish in destroying rich peoples lawns ... he seems to get so giddy when he knows they are going to get ripped up lol ;)
its not just tony, i've never seen a group of people with such a perverse love of destroying lawns. I love it.
Jonathon is really quite impressive in his speciality, and a most attractive man.
I assume this is the family that Cheyne Walk in Chelsea is named after where Oscar Wilde lived. Also, wondering if the rendering of the Chelsea Mansion is the same one where Anne Boleyn lived for a while and Katherine Parr inherited after Henry VIII died and fostered Jane Grey and Elizabeth I. I love this show, thank you Mr Zaaijer for all the work you've done in the posting.
thank you mr zaaijer for stealing other people's intellectual property and posting it for all to see.
@@TheShootist How rediculous and unnecessary comment. If it were hurting Time Team in any way, it would have been removed. Au contraire, it made Time Team known, enjoyed and loved all over the world. And kept its spirit alive. Not to mention how much effort it took to collect and upload 20 Seasons!! Bravo and thank you RZ!
Richard III lived in what is now Cheyne Walk, too
This was a pretty area, if I ever get to Britain, I would want to visit.
Ireland is 1st up, County Kerry, must go there and "be with My People"! Lineage is County Kerry. 🍀❤🍀
Bibles, in English, used to be smuggled in hollowed out loaves of bread.
Sturt n phil are my favorite still watching in 2022 yess
Nice episode.
Undoubtedly they are...given there's a Sir Ralf de Chesney (Quesnay) from Normandy in the 11th century being involved with the Earl(s) de Warenne and may other notable families on the rise.As for favoring later Lollard and similar 'heretical' sympathies,this would be the very type of family who would have ventured into New World territories for combined religious and entrepeneurial gains.I too have this name in my 17th century family roster,fantastic to see this dig!
The line in England always passes down to the first born male, who gets everything. Many early settlers of the US were the second (or later) sons who had few other alternatives for wealth, fame and power on a par with older bro's situation. They tended to go to the South where large-scale projects could be quickly and suitably exploited by slave labor (English indentured servants at the beginning who eventually earned their freedom). Wouldn't surprise me a bit that there's some direct relationship between this family and dick Cheney. Btw, the surname could mean a stand of oaks, or oak forest.
The de Warenne's are direct ancestors of mine. William de Warenne, the 1st Earl of Surrey's second son, Reginald, is my line. I'm from the US. Thomas Warren arrived in the Virginia Colony in 1635.
That odd angled building caught my eye immediately when they first showed the map. I wonder why they only caught it at day 3.
Yeah it was instantly off to me because it was clearly on a different plan/alignment from the others even in the older maps--don't understand why no one even asked why this building was so odd right on first glance. Either that, or the editing was oddly done to expunge all mention of that building from Days 1 and 2 if it was mentioned
There was no need to expand beyond the reasonable starting assumptions until those were no longer tenable.
That's archaeology ! Depends on how one sees what is found.
Pfft... @8:48 " if stewart and the map are correct" ....I'm putting 100 on Stewart being right..
Time team casino betting. lol
100 on Happy bunny...lol
100 on John to place.
So the Chesne's were friends of Oldcastle who was the model for Shakespeare's John Falstaff....
@Patricia Heil
The family’s name is spelt “Cheyne,” you cretinous moron
thank you for the show.i live in the usa, near phoenix. i hate to admit i love all the jokes aimed at bush's brain err i mean vice pres. laughs. iv always enjoyed the history shows tony has hosted.he is a funny guy.Ido not know much more that about him. other than i know he digs history as much as i do.i do get jealous you guys over the pond can walk out your back door and find some history. i walk out my back door, and i just step in dog poo. laughs. i have found lots of Indian heads tho :)
Yea, make fun of someone who did better than them.
Chris c Tony Robinson is known as Blackadders servant Baldrick in the show of the same name. It’s a subversive look at the history of England seen through the eyes of a miserable cynic. It’s achingly funny. The main actors are Rowan Atkinson, Tony Robinson, Stephen Fry & Hugh Laurie. Along with almost any english actor worth their salt. Look it up.
@@jrnsurlan405 The best of British humor. :)
The thumbnail reminded me of the monolith in 2001 A Space Odyssey for a moment! :-)
blast :)
I can't wrap my brain around the fact that these people of the past would just tear down a beautiful house. Can't they see the value in it?
Apparently not. "If it has no use, destroy it" seems to be the motto of most governments.
I would hope that you don't keep everything even if you find it not useful to you. A person can not build a new house without clearing the land.
@@richardwheeler6115
You can just fix old houses without destroying them. Even medieval castles are perfectly lovable to modern codes if you update its interior.
a family built a mansion ontop of a shanty shack, and then 300-years later, the same family tore down a faded, 300-year old relic that was probably, by that time, impossible to heat efficiently or maintain, to make a smaller, more economical shelter.. Hardly a crime.
These English have wiped out whole nations, the Scots, the Tasmanians, the Boers, etc...a mere house is nothing..
I can definitely picture Dick Cheney saying "I accidentally shot your dog. Twice."
With an evil smirk on his ugly face no doubt.
A crime family Cheyne related to torture and many other crimes where have I heard that name before with a bit different spelling. Cheney..... 🤔
"Bois" is French for "wood" generally, or even "forest". So, perhaps that`s why it has the name. And, Tony, it`s pronounced "Bwa".
Uhm, A barn isn't settlement? So, Dr ainsworth what exactly is a permanent structure dedicated to geographically static food production?!
Thanks very much, really enjoyed S14-E10. :)
The original Cheynes sound like the current lot of politicians.
Did I actually hear "piss and moan?" If I did, that's too funny!
if you're referring to 28:55, I think John says "doesn't he moan" referring to Phil
"Brigands" describes some of our world leaders today. Things haven't changed much.
that woman had no problem stomping on Naomi's find.
Sounds like they are related to Dick Cheyney & his family in Wyoming.
Life of upper crust. Like the norman conquers. Or any other.
The team is
diminished
by the absence
of Carenza.
Rayson and Brighid end up married!!
every fortune started out with crime
@alanrtment porter I am very sure all the other politicians are very honest though. Enjoy your fantasy world.
You need to have a law to have a crime. That is not to say that a behavior is not reprehensible even if it is legal.
Dig the entire mess uuuuppppp
I'm confused. Does it rain dirt in England and that is how everything gets buried so deep? How do these ruins become buried?
+BillyLapTop Wind, Rain, erosion, flooding, leaves in the years will become another layer? you'd do smart on to watch a documentary about geology.
In fact raining dirt is not that strange of a thing, sand travels in wind en when whet will become heavy and thus fall so you'd get raining dirt.
Thing is it happens everywhere:)
+BillyLapTop Yes. It does rain dirt. Not just in England and the UK but everywhere on Earth. Based on extrapolated data it is estimated that 40,000 metric tons of cosmic dust settles on the earth every year.
But the earth is also LOSING 50,000 metric tons every year.
The net loss is about 0.000000000000001% every year, so it doesn’t account for much when compared to the total mass of the Earth, which is 5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons.
scitechdaily.com/earth-loses-50000-tonnes-of-mass-every-year/
roughly 1mm per year I heard em say 5-10 episodes back. so It adds up.
I get freaked out when I see where the shoreline used to be... 4 miles inland usually.
BillyLapTop great question, and I knew Stannous Fluoride would have the answer.
I would add that it also depends on the area where they dig (some 2000 yr old Roman ruins have been found literally found by just scraping the top layer of grass), how the ruins became ruins (stones and architectural pieces being dug to the foundations and reused on later buildings), landscaping (large tracks of land being deeply dug and cleared before creating things like water features), rebuilding over older remains (new basements & foundations that obliterate the remains of the top layers of older buildings), and backfill (using broken up parts of older structures to fill in empty spaces & holes to create smooth surface in fields and around newer structure. Layer upon layer of new use on top of old can make the archeology being excavated seem as if it's meters below ground. Plus astral dust, of course. 😉😄👷♀️
once a Cheney, always a Cheney, i reckon...
Good story…gotta give stewart easier cases to get some wins…!
I've got a Sir Lawrence Cheney in my tree.
sitting or hanging?
My nan was a Cheney.
38:51 A TAOFLEDERMAUS and officer Greg fan?... :-D
First aired March 11, 2007.
Lollards... TRUE CHRISTIANS . The part about them made me cry. Brutal.
rebels no better than jews🤣
@@si4632 Christains would have been deemed the rebels, your statement is confusing.
@@bethbartlett5692 Christians considered rebels in a Christians country lol
🤔
The Lollards were a group of anti-clerical English Christians
Well at least the Dutch army is present :)
Why the hell would they wear safety hats when they are standing outside and several feet away from the digger and nothing overhead??????
47:14 By bullies and criminals, hasn't changed much.
After whom, of course, Cheyne Walk - one of the most exclusive addresses in West London - is named.
The family owned that part of Chelsea all those centuries ago.
So is Stuart becoming more important than John?
Peggy Jenkinson from having binged watched over the last few weeks and seeing how things change, I would say he was "above" John from the get go, Doing geophysics. Now they seem to have two separate areas of expertise
@@lindasue8719 John is a geophysicist. Stuart is a landscape archaeologist. Two different disciplines. John reads and interprets the machine results. Stuart is more like a detective, putting the site in context of what he can find out from old maps and field walking.
Shame this show limits it's dig's to 3 days.
That's normal for exploratory archaeology. They only determine if a side is worth a later dig by someone who has the time and money.
Hah! A total parallel to the so-called royal family. Biggest bunch of baddies becomes the ruling class.
Perhaps these Cheneys were ancestors of our Cheneys in America :)
Helen.....those pants @11:00 !!!
A difficult site and difficult for viewers to make sense of, very complex.
... Tony and others mis-pronouncing 'Bois' ~ which means 'wood' in French. Should be pronounced (approx) "bwars' - Yes, I know, but that's the French for you :0)
But the name of the house is actually Chesham 'Bois', which is the English pronunciation, not 'Bwahrs', as in French, so TT are right to say it that way. Who can argue with 400 years of history? .
Is Dick Cheney related to these bullies?
Zed Williams well you wouldn’t want to go quail hunting with them if you were trying to resolve a dispute...
ugh... the episode clearly points out that the Cheynes protected protestants from being burned alive by catholics intent on keeping the Rome-centered power structure intact. They even appointed protestant-sympathetic clerics to their local church, who were then erased from history by resurgent catholics under Bloody Mary. I suppose if my neighbor forced kids to burn their parents alive, i'd shoot their dog with a crossbow too.
Doubt it, Tony says near the end this family died out.
Probably. That name will forever conjur up images of criminal activity, whether in medieval England or contemporary USA.
Death sentence for reading the bible.
That is not true, Chris.
27:30, 31:10.
Just about to start this episode and thought I would come here to see what's the buzz. I don't think I've ever seen 19 thumbs down before! Now my interest is really piqued!
I'm getting the feeling a lot of it is about what a bunch of t**ts the upper-crust are. If that's the case I'm tempted to give this one a pass because that much I already know!
Here's hoping that doesn't get in the way of the dig and archaeology…
I've dreamed about exploring Bridge's Trench.
Google Dick Cheney's Heritage. Wikipedia results will give you pause.
If you want details on his political and entrepreneurial history, The Real News Network (Baltimore) put out a thorough (and horrifying) 4-part series a few years ago that they've just reissued, and it's as pertinent as ever. It's hard to imagine how many crimes against humanity and sheer turpitude this one individual is responsible for.
@@cathjj840Not hard to imagine at all. The man is a monster and so are his cronies in the Haliburton Mob.
This show was overflowing with individual subjects, each offering their own stories that would make for a series of books to fully experience their history. It is an amazing collection of people, events, politics, religion, social evolution, and area history. A shame the family diminished over the years.
Imagine being labeled a heritic for the desire of information in one's own language. It is the same measure today for desiring the History of the Christian Religion clarity and particularly the accurate evolution between 01 AD and 400 AD, the "Followers of Yeshua/Jesus" and Constatine (and his Priests) establishing of his "1 State Religion", known as Roman Christainity.
The Coptic, Orothodox, Gnostics, and "Followers of Jesus", relative to the Rogman Christain Religion, clarity remains yet to be fully addressed in any full presentation of writing with references.
To pursue this is often deemed heretical.
I do think
however
That if they had paid more attention to
Monty Python
It might be funnier
31:12 There are reasons why men dislike Bridget and why they love Helen, lots of them.
It could be a barb from Bridget or it could be they are good friends and the slagging is affectionate. I get the Helen aspect, of course.
Agreed, that seemed a bit mean, beyond the usual British tradition of taking the piss out of your mates. Anyway I think John's kinda cute :)
Doubt if the family died out... ask Dick Cheney across the pond !
@14:08 you damn near see her who-ha! 😉
Phil bowls like Trump golfs!
Roman catholic persecution. Nothing new here.
🤣🤣🤣 it was the other way round
It isn't pronounced "BOYS' , it is pronounced " BWAR ", which is French for wood.
I don't know of anyone local who gives it the French pronunciation.
What he said. Pronunciation is determined by the locals, not by the origin of the name. If this pronunciation bothers you, you really don't want to know what Kentucky has done to Versailles.
Ikree R lol, so true. I live about ten minutes from VERRSAILS.
@@ikreer9777 Or Missouri indeed! Or Lafayette County, Mississippi :)
The Cheyne Family sounds like Donald Trump and his New York Real Estate crime family
And, as always, Phil's fingernails are disgusting!
+John Rogers They are only on his right hand and he plays classical guitar. I am told that he is very good.
Well, that explains that mystery! Thanks for the info.
Dale Subic He plays it during the Jamestown Special and we also get to see someone else sing a bit too!!
Phil plays the guitar.
@@mrs.schmenkman2858 Not in the Jamestown episode that I found. It must have been edited out for some unfathomable reason. I have been trying to find one of the videos that show Phil playing his guitar but haven't been able to find them. I really would love to see at least one of them.
Hmm, ex VP dick Cheney is just true to family form apparently...got back in the big bucks and ante'd up to genocidal criminality. There's even a dose of fundamentalist Christianity, that essential neo-con ally.
On another note à propos of the Archeo Society's trench "We"ve really only seen it in sexual.." - gotta love CC!
Chaney deserve no respect whatsoever
- Cheney- is not an everyday name... any connections there to Dick Cheney,ex Vice President in the USA?en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney
at 46 minutes, Tony though said that the family died out. and no mentioning that anyone emigrated...
@@benediktmorak4409it does appear there is no connection proven, but it's not impossible, just the records are missing, perhaps.
@@RBS.23 thank you for the reply