Mordin is one of the most loyal crew members, at least to me he is. Curing the genophage is one of the most heroic things Shepard can do, and Mordin is one of the most selfless people (at least at the end) because he gives up his life to fix a wrong he committed.
Anyone else notice how Shepard shoots Mordin with the Carnifex. The gun Mordin gave him back on Omega? That's why Shepard throws his gun off to the side in disgust.
This is an old comment obviously, but the Genophage was entirely necessary. It didn’t eradicate an entire species, it just diminished their constant devastation on the universe. Eve was honest when she said the Krogan destroyed their own homeworld when they got technology. There are other planets you can visit that were completely ruined by Krogan not being able to control themselves. The ME lore is filled with the Krogan destroying. One decent Krogan (Wrex) is not going to change their nature. Hell even Wrex tried killing you in the first game and took much persuasion to stop.
Despite how horrific this ending to this mission is, the music score as the "cure" disperses is hauntingly beautiful. And the silence that follows after really hammers it home. It's a stark contrast to the music that plays if the genophage is actually cured. The whole ME3 soundtrack is an absolute masterpiece.
The goodwill of the krogan only depends on which leaders they'll have after the war. If both Wrex and Eve are dead, you're stuck with the krogan at their worst. Then again, the trip through the ruins serves to show you the krogan CAN be civilized, they just need the right circumstances.So, really, there's no "fucked up" choice.
This was more gut-wrenching than when the Genophage was cured on my first playthrough. In the end, shooting Mordin is the only choice. The Krogan cannot be allowed to populate that galaxy, or else they're like just another Reaper Invasion in between cycles.
Tobisaru Don't be shortsighted. Think in terms of future generations. The Krogans will breed wildly out of control and be forced into either war or starvation. It's not their fault but that doesn't mean we should sacrifice the galaxy to them either.
+Pierre Kirby Wrex's influence on the next generations of Krogan would also probably stop it. If both Wrex and Eve live, they'll basically the current most diplomatic Krogan and since they're in charge, they might actually be able to make their race act better and more well mannered than they once were.
l did on my first gameplay, it had to be done, krogans are too violent to let them live, that is how real life choices are. It maked me feel guilty but it had to be done, thats why i love the game
Same, Even on my paragon playthrough I did this choice. It was tough and I cried a bit after but it was the necessary thing to do to stop the krogan from becoming a threat again.
I really dislike that they pushed the cure so heavily in ME 3. Its better in literally every way (war assets, companions and so on) except for if you consider the state of the galaxy if the reapers are stopped. It would have been way more interesting if f.e. Mordin would've pushed against the cure while wrex was for it and you had to choose between the 2.
The ironic thing is, that mordin THINKING he made a mistake IS the actual mistake. The genophage was the logical step to stop the krogan from overrunning the galaxy. Logically and statistically it makes sense, which is why he is adamant about it being the right choice in ME 2. In ME 3 working with the krogan females and Eve he saw the effects and how desperate the Krogan are for a cure firsthand. That's why i believe his judgment is clouded by emotions for the first time. Which makes him think the genophage is wrong. (Which it isn't, if you care about the Galaxy after the reapers.)
In ME2 Mordin was completely adamant about the genophage being neccesary, Wrex can't control the krogans forever and then the krogans go back to pillaging every other planet they can see. The genophage, Ashley's xenophobia, Bioware went full apologist because a few pansies cant get their heads around actual morally realistic decisions.
I'm doing a Renegade playthrough right now, but even though my FemShep is a complete bitch.. I just couldn't kill Mordin, so I paragon-convinced him that curing the genophage was a bad idea. No matter which option you pick (curing/sabotaging the genophage, convincing/killing Mordin), this cutscene is amazing and one of my favorite moments in the game. Mordin is a great character and this entire scene in the game is just written so well.
the salarians really pissed me off in me3, i accept they had good cause to be wary of the krogan for the future, but when there is a major threat of mass extinction right in your face i hardly think its the time or the place to be arseholes and withhold support against the reapers over what could happen with the krogan.
I play as a renegade but in this moment...... men i just can't kill mordin, impossible press that button, and watch that scene was......... fuck, this game needs a film
@UCanCallMeJesus1 Somebody who sees the bigger picture? Wreav was the uncontested leader of the Krogan and, if Shepard let Mordin kill himself making the cure, the Krogan would have spread across the Galaxy in a sea of blood.
that's just sad. mordin admitted he made a mistake and was clawing his way toward the machine to try to fix it...god that was just sad,even if you are renegade what sort of monster has the heart to do this
This is so fucked up. Who the fuck could shoot someone in the FUCKING BACK after all the shit they've been through... It's not like it's necessary. Having the Krogans works out just fine. Fucked. Up.
this is some Oscar shit right here from mordin. garruntee you that if this was a movie, Mordin would have gotten at least a nod for best supporting actor...
@MrDoesntUpload001 Yeah this shephard wasnt imported i wanted to see what its like not importing so yeah i didnt know this was gonna happen either. T'was sad
and people say this game sucked. one of the most powerful scenes in the game, made me shed a man tear. no other game series out there has ever made me cry and that's saying something. yes the ending was nonsensical and stabbed us in the back about choice but.. still the rest of the game was amazing.
Dying like that... Alone, betrayed, and knowing that what you were doing failed because of said betrayal by someone you'd considered a good friend... Like, I can't imagine how that feels. I could never do this on a play through--I like going Renegade (right now I'm pretty much all Ren with a splash of Paragon), but this isn't "renegade," this is "evil."
@trapical I have seen that there is a dialogue option to disuade without having to shoot him, but I think that might only happen if Wreav is the Krogan leader and Eve dies. Unfortunately in my game Wrex was. But yeah, I was like "you bastards Bioware, don't make me do it!" =(
How did you get the helmet off on the Defender armor? Or is it only turned off by the "remove helmets when talking" option? Cause if that's all it is, then never mind.
Curing the genophage didn't seem like a problem to me: - Salarians no longer have Mordin to "get it right"... for future special weapons without considerable time investment -Turians rely on their combat prowess...countered by Krogen toughness with a side or regeneration -asari rely on biotics...countered by krogen mass and armor resist... -humans see bigger problem and simply build bigger mech...after over a thousand years it took humans to finally build a proper counter to krogens
Shooting Mordin in the back is fucked up. There's ways to stop the cure without shooting him in the BACK. It's a fucked up thing to do. There's no way around that.
Dont give BW too much credit for writing. The Carnifex is replaced by the M-77 Paladin in this scene if you purchased it in Spectre Requisitions, so it was not intentional. He just throws any gun away because he had to kill his friend.
@kdawg621199727 You just need a high rep in that regards.Doesnt matter if renegade or paragon. But honestly you just have to talk to them and be nice when they're in the hospital. Otherwise they wont trust you.
English is my second langues so sorry if I am not perfect at it. Which yes the krogan may, but they may not start a war, and dooming them to something like the genophage is just cruel. It better to wipe them out, then making them live with something like that. If the genophage just lower their fertility, then that would be fine. However, the way it works is crueler then any death. The way it works, is what making the krogan such heartless bastards all around.
You would assume that but you have the same scene with Padok Witts if Mordin dies in ME2 so I guess it's rather a coincidence. Always remind not to give BW too much credit for storywriting. See the Indoctrination theory that turned out to be so very wrong ^^ and i knew it
I recently found out that if you do the "Leviathan" dlc before this mission, assuming you have both Wrex and Eve alive, then if you sabotage the cure, Wrex isn't going to attack Sherpard on the Citadel, probably because the Leviathans indoctrinate the Krogan in order to keep them in line. I know this is immoral and unethical but I'm tempted to do it in order to get the support of both fleets (I haven't made up my mind yet), which might be necessary if I want to unlock all endings besides "Control", since I kept the Collector base back in "Mass Effect 2". And before you say anything about dooming the Krogans, Mordin isn't stupid, he would have stored the data he used to make the cure somewhere as a backup plan. So while the Krogans might be kept from the cure now, in the future, after the war, it can be replicated and spread in an alternative way. I know this is risky, because the deaths they'll suffer could keep them from reaching that age due to insufficient population, but that's exactly why Okeer created Grunt, so that his existance could influence the Krogans to carry the Genophage but ignore it, which means, maybe their deaths wouldn't so many, should they be truly strong. And if that fails, well, there's always the option of dissection in order to know how he was made and clone him so that the race has a chance at survival until a new cure can be created.
i killed him even though i was mostly paragon. i did it for the greater good. had to kill wrex afterwards too. it was tough but my shepard regrets nothing.
As sad as this scene is (and it's extremely sad) it's the correct decision to kill Mordin. The galaxy needs all the help they can get to stop the Reapers, or everyone will die and the cycles will continue for millions more years.
2. Wrex is alive but Eve is dead, this depents on the fact if you destroyed the data from Maleon's research or not. Then you can talk mordin into faking the cure but wrex will find out later in the game and you have to kill him so you dont have Krogan support in the end game. If Wreav is the krogan king he still think the cure works and you get both war assets Got this from the prima guide btw
![Mass Effect 2: Legion Compilation [w/ Hidden Dialogue / Scenes]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ea_lFkvWm6Y/mqdefault.jpg)
"I made a mistake!" That line carries so much weight for Mordins character. He's finally honest with himself about his actions
Mordin is one of the most loyal crew members, at least to me he is. Curing the genophage is one of the most heroic things Shepard can do, and Mordin is one of the most selfless people (at least at the end) because he gives up his life to fix a wrong he committed.
Anyone else notice how Shepard shoots Mordin with the Carnifex. The gun Mordin gave him back on Omega? That's why Shepard throws his gun off to the side in disgust.
Each Mass Effect game fucks over my emotions.
Genophage was no mistake. Sad but necessary decision. Moments like this make ME memorable.
This is an old comment obviously, but the Genophage was entirely necessary. It didn’t eradicate an entire species, it just diminished their constant devastation on the universe. Eve was honest when she said the Krogan destroyed their own homeworld when they got technology. There are other planets you can visit that were completely ruined by Krogan not being able to control themselves. The ME lore is filled with the Krogan destroying. One decent Krogan (Wrex) is not going to change their nature. Hell even Wrex tried killing you in the first game and took much persuasion to stop.
The saddest part is seeing all the Krogans so happy when they're being tricked.
Despite how horrific this ending to this mission is, the music score as the "cure" disperses is hauntingly beautiful. And the silence that follows after really hammers it home. It's a stark contrast to the music that plays if the genophage is actually cured.
The whole ME3 soundtrack is an absolute masterpiece.
The goodwill of the krogan only depends on which leaders they'll have after the war. If both Wrex and Eve are dead, you're stuck with the krogan at their worst. Then again, the trip through the ruins serves to show you the krogan CAN be civilized, they just need the right circumstances.So, really, there's no "fucked up" choice.
This was more gut-wrenching than when the Genophage was cured on my first playthrough.
In the end, shooting Mordin is the only choice. The Krogan cannot be allowed to populate that galaxy, or else they're like just another Reaper Invasion in between cycles.
Wrex wouldn't have let that happen. Wreav would
Tobisaru Don't be shortsighted. Think in terms of future generations. The Krogans will breed wildly out of control and be forced into either war or starvation. It's not their fault but that doesn't mean we should sacrifice the galaxy to them either.
+Pierre Kirby Wrex's influence on the next generations of Krogan would also probably stop it. If both Wrex and Eve live, they'll basically the current most diplomatic Krogan and since they're in charge, they might actually be able to make their race act better and more well mannered than they once were.
@@JThom529Wrex is FAR from perfect! And he's not that trustworthy either!
Wow, Mordin so pissed he used a full sentence.... granted it was only 4 words but damn.
Mordin: I made a mistake!
Now If only Bioware would just say that.
Who could ever do this? Curing the genophage is one of the most satisfying parts of the game.
l did on my first gameplay, it had to be done, krogans are too violent to let them live, that is how real life choices are. It maked me feel guilty but it had to be done, thats why i love the game
Im sure the future generations that are being murdered by endless Krogan hordes will be real happy you were satisfied.
+lnv77777 no i hate krogan
@ Pierre Kirby At last, an intelligent man of reason.
Same, Even on my paragon playthrough I did this choice. It was tough and I cried a bit after but it was the necessary thing to do to stop the krogan from becoming a threat again.
Tf is wrong with you?
I really dislike that they pushed the cure so heavily in ME 3.
Its better in literally every way (war assets, companions and so on) except for if you consider the state of the galaxy if the reapers are stopped.
It would have been way more interesting if f.e. Mordin would've pushed against the cure while wrex was for it and you had to choose between the 2.
The ironic thing is, that mordin THINKING he made a mistake IS the actual mistake.
The genophage was the logical step to stop the krogan from overrunning the galaxy.
Logically and statistically it makes sense, which is why he is adamant about it being the right choice in ME 2.
In ME 3 working with the krogan females and Eve he saw the effects and how desperate the Krogan are for a cure firsthand.
That's why i believe his judgment is clouded by emotions for the first time. Which makes him think the genophage is wrong. (Which it isn't, if you care about the Galaxy after the reapers.)
Wow this is why I never will play through as a Renegade.
In ME2 Mordin was completely adamant about the genophage being neccesary, Wrex can't control the krogans forever and then the krogans go back to pillaging every other planet they can see. The genophage, Ashley's xenophobia, Bioware went full apologist because a few pansies cant get their heads around actual morally realistic decisions.
Oof, that just breaks my heart - I could never do this to Mordin. But thanks for showing this option, I was awful curious.
DId he just throw away a carnifex? Doesn't he know how much that goddamn gun costs?!
It was probably the same gun Mordin gave him though.
Man I don't think I'll ever have the heart to play a renegade run. It hurts enough being a paragon.
Wo dude, you just shot the coolest guy from mass effect 2
Damn......Just damn.....seeing how much he help during Mass Effect 2
There's a special place in hell reserved for people who killed Mordin.
I really wanted him to stay alive but because i saved wrex i couldn’t save mordin unfortunately
Get over it, man. He dies regardless! And for something controversial, no less!
Well in this scenario it’s acceptable because they didn’t have enough reputation to make the speech check
I'm playing the game twice to get the perfect ending so my first play through I released the cure just to see how it all plays out
I'm doing a Renegade playthrough right now, but even though my FemShep is a complete bitch.. I just couldn't kill Mordin, so I paragon-convinced him that curing the genophage was a bad idea. No matter which option you pick (curing/sabotaging the genophage, convincing/killing Mordin), this cutscene is amazing and one of my favorite moments in the game. Mordin is a great character and this entire scene in the game is just written so well.
the salarians really pissed me off in me3, i accept they had good cause to be wary of the krogan for the future, but when there is a major threat of mass extinction right in your face i hardly think its the time or the place to be arseholes and withhold support against the reapers over what could happen with the krogan.
While tragic, killing Mordin here was the smartest decision. That’s why you spare Wrex on virmire lol.
I needed the Salarians but I couldn't do this to mordon
I play as a renegade but in this moment...... men i just can't kill mordin, impossible press that button, and watch that scene was......... fuck, this game needs a film
that was fucked up
@UCanCallMeJesus1
Somebody who sees the bigger picture? Wreav was the uncontested leader of the Krogan and, if Shepard let Mordin kill himself making the cure, the Krogan would have spread across the Galaxy in a sea of blood.
I would not be able to do this, I would have sabotaged my controller to make sure I didn't do it by accident
that's just sad. mordin admitted he made a mistake and was clawing his way toward the machine to try to fix it...god that was just sad,even if you are renegade what sort of monster has the heart to do this
This is so fucked up.
Who the fuck could shoot someone in the FUCKING BACK after all the shit they've been through...
It's not like it's necessary. Having the Krogans works out just fine.
Fucked.
Up.
this is some Oscar shit right here from mordin. garruntee you that if this was a movie, Mordin would have gotten at least a nod for best supporting actor...
had to come on the internet after going through with this ending to see if anyone else was emotionally ripped apart by it.....
@MrDoesntUpload001 Yeah this shephard wasnt imported i wanted to see what its like not importing so yeah i didnt know this was gonna happen either. T'was sad
so intence even after seeing this multiple times. well done bioware.
Wow, I thought I cried a lot when Mordin died a hero. This.....I'mma go redo my mascara.
Just did this now playing as renegade...
Never felt guilty about being a badass before, but this...this might have just destroyed a part of my soul :(
and people say this game sucked. one of the most powerful scenes in the game, made me shed a man tear. no other game series out there has ever made me cry and that's saying something. yes the ending was nonsensical and stabbed us in the back about choice but.. still the rest of the game was amazing.
I would never have the grit to do this to Mordin, but I have to say. Much better storytelling than happy go lucky paragon story.
That is the only time i've seen mordin get mad and yell
Dying like that... Alone, betrayed, and knowing that what you were doing failed because of said betrayal by someone you'd considered a good friend... Like, I can't imagine how that feels. I could never do this on a play through--I like going Renegade (right now I'm pretty much all Ren with a splash of Paragon), but this isn't "renegade," this is "evil."
@trapical
I have seen that there is a dialogue option to disuade without having to shoot him, but I think that might only happen if Wreav is the Krogan leader and Eve dies. Unfortunately in my game Wrex was. But yeah, I was like "you bastards Bioware, don't make me do it!" =(
Ha, I like how you didn't even hesitate.
That is pure fucking evil.
How did you get the helmet off on the Defender armor?
Or is it only turned off by the "remove helmets when talking" option?
Cause if that's all it is, then never mind.
I have never playd me1&2 and wrex and eve are.both dead but it doesnt give me the why option to save mordin:/ why!??
Curing the genophage didn't seem like a problem to me:
- Salarians no longer have Mordin to "get it right"... for future special weapons without considerable time investment
-Turians rely on their combat prowess...countered by Krogen toughness with a side or regeneration
-asari rely on biotics...countered by krogen mass and armor resist...
-humans see bigger problem and simply build bigger mech...after over a thousand years it took humans to finally build a proper counter to krogens
@Grygnax It had to be done for greater good. Sometimes killing one man will save thousands.
Damn I think I just shed a man tear.
Shooting Mordin in the back is fucked up. There's ways to stop the cure without shooting him in the BACK.
It's a fucked up thing to do. There's no way around that.
I feelbad for just watching this, i actually used this in a ethics paper of mine
If you save salarian counsilor you get salarian help.How can you cruelly kill Mordin?
That there is pretty messed up.
Why did you shoot so early ? Me I could shoot before several seconds, who looked like minutes...
Why I had to shoot him ?
Dont give BW too much credit for writing. The Carnifex is replaced by the M-77 Paladin in this scene if you purchased it in Spectre Requisitions, so it was not intentional. He just throws any gun away because he had to kill his friend.
@MarsStarcruiser sooner or later we'll have power armor too like in warhammer and krogen base stats will become meaningless
Fucked up.
@MrDoesntUpload001 You wouldn't be the only one...
That is mass effect for you. You think you made a good choice then they show you an extremely depressing video to make you feel like crap.
Defender Armor
Would've been better with Beattie.
YOU DISHONUR YOUR FAMRY
JUUUUUUUUDAAAAAAAASSSSSS
@kdawg621199727 You just need a high rep in that regards.Doesnt matter if renegade or paragon. But honestly you just have to talk to them and be nice when they're in the hospital. Otherwise they wont trust you.
English is my second langues so sorry if I am not perfect at it.
Which yes the krogan may, but they may not start a war, and dooming them to something like the genophage is just cruel.
It better to wipe them out, then making them live with something like that.
If the genophage just lower their fertility, then that would be fine.
However, the way it works is crueler then any death.
The way it works, is what making the krogan such heartless bastards all around.
You would assume that but you have the same scene with Padok Witts if Mordin dies in ME2 so I guess it's rather a coincidence. Always remind not to give BW too much credit for storywriting. See the Indoctrination theory that turned out to be so very wrong ^^ and i knew it
I recently found out that if you do the "Leviathan" dlc before this mission, assuming you have both Wrex and Eve alive, then if you sabotage the cure, Wrex isn't going to attack Sherpard on the Citadel, probably because the Leviathans indoctrinate the Krogan in order to keep them in line.
I know this is immoral and unethical but I'm tempted to do it in order to get the support of both fleets (I haven't made up my mind yet), which might be necessary if I want to unlock all endings besides "Control", since I kept the Collector base back in "Mass Effect 2". And before you say anything about dooming the Krogans, Mordin isn't stupid, he would have stored the data he used to make the cure somewhere as a backup plan. So while the Krogans might be kept from the cure now, in the future, after the war, it can be replicated and spread in an alternative way. I know this is risky, because the deaths they'll suffer could keep them from reaching that age due to insufficient population, but that's exactly why Okeer created Grunt, so that his existance could influence the Krogans to carry the Genophage but ignore it, which means, maybe their deaths wouldn't so many, should they be truly strong. And if that fails, well, there's always the option of dissection in order to know how he was made and clone him so that the race has a chance at survival until a new cure can be created.
THIS IS SO DAMN RIGHT AND WRONGG!!
Damit bioware why do you keep killing my favorite characters in mass effect 3
@Narfwak Not as much as Mordin.
What the actual fuck
@WarsieGirl330 Its a great scene too
Mordin was my fav char in ME2. It's sad to see him so stubborn and have to shoot him in the back :( It had to be done though. Very sad scene.
i killed him even though i was mostly paragon.
i did it for the greater good. had to kill wrex afterwards too.
it was tough but my shepard regrets nothing.
As sad as this scene is (and it's extremely sad) it's the correct decision to kill Mordin. The galaxy needs all the help they can get to stop the Reapers, or everyone will die and the cycles will continue for millions more years.
2.
Wrex is alive but Eve is dead, this depents on the fact if you destroyed the data from Maleon's research or not. Then you can talk mordin into faking the cure but wrex will find out later in the game and you have to kill him so you dont have Krogan support in the end game. If Wreav is the krogan king he still think the cure works and you get both war assets
Got this from the prima guide btw
THIS IS WRONG. THIS IS SOOOOOO WRONG.
This is not I want to watch
You are a monster D: