Brand New Animal Isn't That Great
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- čas přidán 12. 05. 2020
- Breaking down all the major reasons that a popular anime this season doesn't appeal that to me very much.
#BrandNewAnimal #BNA #StudioTrigger
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I like the colors lol
ye
What about the characters
Fair and same
You and me both
Exactly
Wait, but the anime was about goverment corruption and how deep shit everything is behind walls rather than the classic "racism bad" easy plot from animals
Ironic how BNA and Zootopia try to tackle the "racism allegory through animals" trope in two completely different manners, yet they both somehow manage to stumble over the exact same hurdles.
Wow, no te esperaba aquí xD
Anyways, despite you're right that the show also tries to show that, it's pretty obvious that racism was meant to be one of the important themes to use in the show but ended up being wasted
@@hozcar30 I agree and not agree on that, while they didn't touch that subject it doesn't mean it was on it for a long time, racism was a problem but they had other problems to deal with, how can you fight it when your own people works for it?
@@SrPelo I see your point, you're right
@@SrPelo i mean beastmen = minorities doesn't make much sense like do black people go into berserk rages or have superhuman strength and senses no they don't there just humans
Trigger :
At least, this time we didn't send them into space.
yet
Haha
Still had drills tho
Dont like, not enough of those star thingys
Trigger was the closest
The phrase that perfectly describes it is : "imperfect but enjoyable"
its like nail polish looks great but taste ehhhhhh
I- what?
@@toastedfish1105 oo can relate
Holdup
Yes
on the "drowning dolphin" scene... dude. People really are that frickin ignorant. If I had a dime for all the people who've stared at me stupidly when I told them dolphins weren't fish....
You would be surprised how many people think chocolate milk comes from brown cows
Most people also only realize that they are braking/hurting something when it LITERALLY starts dying or bleeding or shit.
That part made me facepalm so hard
Nadia Blue i remember a girl in kindergarten or some grade later argued with me saying cats dont drink water they drink milk.
did you get 2 dimes? it's not a lot but it's impressive that people believe that dolphins aren't fish
i was so confused when they said Nazuna backwards is Nazuna, i totally forgot Japanese is a Syllabary
lol same
Wut ?
@@blakedavis2447 so basically Japanese is a Syllabary, meaning each sylable is one symbol, Na is one symbol, and Zu ia another. Na, zu, and na, backwords is still Na, zu, and na
@@mush1145 I actually totally didn't notice that. I looked into the japanese subs and saw the same symbols but I figured ok sure it is same written that is enough. :D
@@blakedavis2447 nazuna = hannah in our language.
As a fan of the show itself I think this show fatal flaw was being a 12 episode show, if it was a 24 episodes run, they could have had more time to develop the world and characters, but the damage has already being done
Edit: Holy shit, this is my most liked comment on CZcams
Actually, most animes with twelve episodes (Beastars, Madoka Magica, etc. ) can usually tell their story in the limited episodes that they have. It's not about how many episodes they need, it falls into the hands of the writers to properly plan out what happens throughout the story. And unfortunately, Brand New Animal only had incompetent writers, jumping to, and dropping plot points, therefore costing them a good story
山羊女郎 correct
+山羊女郎 What you say is right, but it's not really contradicting what Rex said. If you want to tell a grander story with more plot points to it, naturally you need more episodes. You said it yourself, there was a lot of plot points that were dropped and that's also in part due to the limited amount of episodes. This isn't to say it wasn't the writers faults for trying to go to big instead of limiting themselves, but more so the fact that Rex is also right that if they had more episodes they could have developed the world more.
@@mikey7834 its really hard to make an original anime with great story... most of them are generic at most.. since they have limited time to produce unlike with a source material that can focus on story and world/character building..
山羊女郎 the examples you gave already has a source material and not an original anime.
Unlike an anime with a manga they can skip somethings cause people can just read the original but here if they leave things blank a lot will be unexplained.
Nazuna’s character sort of confused me i dont know how to explain it but she seemed like a really bad friend at first and i couldnt understand why michiru kept going to see her so much until the later episodes :/
Not to mention the whole scene which Nazuna (intentionally or not) heavily implied she was trying to commit suicide and Michiru just got in her way.
@@GummyDinosaursify Ikr what the hell was that scene!
She goes from being a jerky ex-friend to the token best friend when the plot demands it. She’s probably the most poorly written part.
Thank you dear god I thought I was the only one
@@GummyDinosaursify which episode was that? sorry haha i just binged it but i don't recall
I do agree with most in the video, save for the complaints about the powers.
I mean, they don't give 'new' powers to Michiru: She can _shapeshift,_ which instantly justifies all the abilities she gains. (Also, she's a tanuki and Nazuna is a kitsune, which in japanese mythos are shapeshifters). Manipulating her tail, wings, massive arms, the speed of a cheetah and anything else that comes of it are all encapsulated within that single power.
@SunBoxesSky Alois They did, with the whole cell explanation that was to confusing for everyone to follow. But it was to late to explain imo. You do have to have prior knowledge to the Japanese culture to understand the shape-shifting completely/ right-off-the-bat.
Exactly. In fact that sort of concept is also shown amazingly in the studio ghibli movie pom poko. Also it makes sense for the 2 humans that became beastmen to have transformative abilities by being animals that according to Japanese mythos can shapeshift since they transformed into beastmen
I think it’s the way of how they got those powers is really off.
Each beastman seems to only be able to transform into their respective species.
When we were shown that they got blood, we only see one pouch for both Michiru and her friend. Each pouch would probably be filled from the blood of just one beastman so how can that give her the ability to have cheetah legs *and* bird wings?
@@goldenalbatross9462 good point, however we never see which type of beastman the blood comes from, and so the blood could have come from a beastman with similar abilities but was never seen in the show or the blood was being used for experiments with something like CRISPR-Cas9 and via accident had that effect on them, my final hypothesis is that it's because they were humans and the beastman blood interacted with their blood creating a new strand of D.N.A that gives them the ability to transform. In the last case this would be a case of CRISPR-CAS9 acting in a natural environment
AmberMetalicScorpion not seeing anything is the issue
There is no true evidence to back any of it up so one can only speculate how she has so many abilities
Sure, the Silvasta company does excel in pharmaceutical technologies but that doesn’t mean they have done something to the blood
My biggest problem was that for me the plot with the syndrome came out of nowhere. It came so suddenly and I wonder if the animals were never so stressed before that the syndrome was triggered? I'm just not sure ... I'll probably just watch the anime again ^^ *
Thought exactly the same thing!
The TV Tropes page for BNA lists a fan theory that the Nirvasyl syndrome was created artificially by Alan Sylvasta. This would explain why we only started seeing the syndrome during the second half of the season. It would imply that he was doing this just to get an excuse to start turning Beastmen into humans.
@@DavidAllgaier_ but there's a part where Shirou gets a flashback to that one battle a thousand years ago and he remembers seeing someone else get the syndrome
They kept bringing in new concepts throughout the season that it became confusing to pin down what the main theme of the show was trying to tackle
They kind of have alan explain the build up to it. Showing flashbacks to previous scenes showing the beastmen fighting. Then explaining that all the stress that's causing the fighting will lead to the syndrome.
It doesn't exactly come out of nowhere. But they could've foreshadowed it better.
I would have preferred if the bird got at least 2-3 episodes because his backstory could have been explored more, because his backstory highlights the fact that even though we should strive for equality, we still need except and workaround our inherent differences
The bird as in Kuro or Pingua?
@@hannahp3386 pingua
They could be making a second season
@@char5285 Hopefully!
Yeah, I really liked the concept of the character.
I believe in equity more than I believe in equality.
Especially, for example, gender differences, race…
I just finished BNA and I liked it. BUT: there's a lot of missed potential when it comes to the story and the character development. The end was... Ok. I saw it coming, yet it doesn't really make sense, as it's all explained in one phrase by the villain. Kinda lame but whatever, it was an enjoyable watch.
Also tanuki girl has one of my favorite character design. She was the main reason I kept watching the show
Another main reason I kept watching was the animation was beautiful. That first scene where she's looking at the city with the purple/pink/blue color palette?? Absolutely gorgeous
@@ariannagonzales2137 yeah right, the animation was really nice too, especially like the fight with the terrorists around the first few episodes, i wish it lasted a bit longer tho
@@julesmoizan8893 i guess its called the "first impression" idk :/ yea i agree with u the first episode is perfect
Honestly I feel like the show should’ve been like 2 or 3 seasons long
I feel like it would have been a cool twist if they let Alan (or whatever his name was) to win and revert all the beastmen to humans. That's a twist you usually never see in a show, it would have brought more emotion for the viewers, and idk if they are gonna make more episodes or not but if they aren't then that would have been a perfect emotional ending, all the beastmen get reverted back. I guess that's just my opinion though, I've been dying to see something where the villain wins
This show ignores the Agatha Christie rule for mysteries: never more than two coincidences. This show is packed with coincidences
Plot wasn't it's strong point. But honestly, I can watch anime with a plot that is just meh as long as art style, world building and sound are good. It would suck as mystery novel, though.
I think, overall, with just 12 episodes it needed to pick JUST ONE CENTRAL STORY and flesh it out really well. Instead we had a bunch of pieces and one-shots, with a Big Bad tossed in and really nothing meaningful of the history of Beastmen and Humans.
If it had 24 episodes it could have expanded on how Boris had the motivation on starting the cult, at least reveal the blood doner of Miichiru and Nazuna , and how the how the Sylvastas got into power over the course of time.
Nah just look at beaststars, it's centuries ahead with it's writing in the same amount of episodes, it's just a poorly written show with cool colors
I thought that the show was ok but the op and Ed are bangers
I was like "Shut up Netflix, ofcourse I want to watch the credits".
Ica Rue exactly
facts man
Minty! Thats some bait
@Minty! it's good but calling it the best anime ever is a very very far stretch. Not even in the great tier tbh but I respect ur opinion ig
Honestly, I think they should of thrown out the entire second half, and just focus on the growing divide and disconnect between Michiru and Nazuna. They could of been foils that demonstrate the good and evil of humanity. Michiru could of been the side to express multiculturalism by actually learning about Beastman culture and valuing it, while Nazuna tries to exploit it. It could og given us a reason to invest in their friendship and give points where it turns around. The second half could of been a season of its own
Exactly, I Agree. The problem was they were only ever planning on doing one season of this show, we were never meant to get a second, that's most likely why it is as it is. I bet if they had planned 2 seasons it would have been like you said and been one of the greatest Anime's of all time
Also would give us a unique storyline, I don't remember watching a show with similar premise you proposed
Is it just me or did the dolphin girl look like primarina from Pokémon
More like Popplio but I thought the same thing. Plus I picked Popplio as a starter in that game so that could explain why I loved her design so much.
More like Brionne
I knew she looked a little familiar to me!
@Minty! wdym not so great? Pokémon Sun and Moon was great, not perfect, but great! Just like NBA
Pokémon Sword and Shield on the other hand...
@@chich-ai why is it a bad game? Don't tell me the Pokemon cut out ruined it
"Wide as an ocean, as deep as a puddle."
So like Evangelion?
@@N8-PT Naw. Evangelion had waaaay more depth. It went deeper than the Mariana trench.
TyTheTuber deep fried cheese
No one's gonna talk a how Michiru never faces her problem with justice. They mention it all the time and she does nothing, and we say her character arc is complete.
I think "Justice" is a lost in translation issue. I think she fits more of the "heroine complex" issue. Which is silly considering Shirou *also* has a Hero Complex and no one seems to bring that up to him. The show brings it up as some plot point but never actually bothers to deal with any of the consequences of why this mentality could potentially be harmful.
@@GummyDinosaursify The show rewarded the characters for those actions taking away from the fact that they mentioned it as an issue. So by the end, neither Michiru nor Shirou have changed in behaviour and now they are just no longer prejudice towards the group the other belongs to. It feels makes them not feel like characters we can root for and more like tools to get a message across.
@@GummyDinosaursify The dub did a good job on translating it. Michiru has a tendency of A) forcing her beleives on others, B) jumping head first thinking she is doing the correct thing
I think that's a good enough translation.
I'd say "oh, room for season 2 then".
But this is trigger we're talking about :/
@@34t3r8 the number 2 is to Trigger what the number 3 is to Valve?
Me sees the title: what is wrong with you?
Watched the video: ok yeah you’re right.
heh
Same lmao
i dont agree with him
@@RastQwQ i do a lot
Me, sees the title: What is wrong with you?
Watched the video: fair point but i don't really care
I've always found Studio Trigger to be style over substance
completely agree.
That’s why their more simple works tend to be more popular. They’re not adept at writing a narrative with a deep message.
@@N8-PT I think Trigger peaked when Kill La Kill came out, Little Witch was good but everything came after fell short of expectation, except Promare.
Ironically, my favorite show, Gurren Lagann, was from pretty much made by the same people back when they were still at Gainax before they left to form Trigger.
Baby dan dan baby dan dan
Ryan The Animator wait they made Little witch academia?!
I found Michiru's sudden ability to change back into a human in episode 4 and her subsequent choice to remain in her tanuki form because 'it feels more comfortable' to be a little jarring considering that she obviously really disliked it beforehand, I felt that her main goal had been achieved too early into the story, she should have discovered her ability to change into a human further into the plot when she became more enveloped in the world in order to make choosing between the two more of a challange.
As a sidenote, I also didn't really like how most beastmen stayed in their human forms for the most part? That almost rendered the whole issue of them being oppressed kind of null, because they all seem far more comfortable in their human forms anyway? I feel a better option would be to have them feel more comfortable in their animal forms like how Michiru is, and that mimicking a human apprearence would be uncomfortable/inauthentic for them, meaning that Anima City really is a safe haven where they can be themselves all the time...
I think that second bit comes from just the normalcy of it. If you have to put on some kind of mask for so long eventually you'll just get used to it. Hence why people are more comfortable taking on their human forms. They've had to put up with it for so long pre-animacity that it's a hard habit to break.
I see michiru staying in beastform as kind of a similar thing, she got used to being in beast form despite not liking it. But that definitely could have had some explantion slapped in. Even just a throwaway explanation that it feels off or something.
I think the racism problem falls apart when beastmen can have a human form. It makes the whole concept of Anima City looks stupid.
That’s one thing I don’t get either. Why be called animacity if they are just gonna be in their human forms most of the time
Notaku i mean it would be one thing if constantly being in human form was uncomfortable, but that only applies to the main character. I guess there’s the thing where beastmen can turn into beast mode when they experience a spike of emotion but they would still be hard to persecute if they could just hide like that
No it doesn’t. Part of the beastmen’s culture is being suppressed. Even if they can live in perfect peace and harmony living among humans their not allowed to transform ever. When anima city opens up of course beastmen would head there so they could transform whenever they wish. It might not be something they can do often, but of course they want the right to be able to do it.
Imagine if you weren’t allowed to use your sense of sight in public. If a city opened up that allowed you to open your eyes again of course you’d go there.
Joseph Simon good point
@@awesomechainsaw Thank you!! periodt
If they had a second season I’d think it be more fleshed out
Maybe.. but the villain would have to be the prime minister or some organization or Beastmen like anything could really be better than "I'm a pureblood I rule all..!" Good show needs more Oomph to it like it was an Idea then the person writing it just started getting exhausted with the Idea and was like well no time to stop I guess...
@Xiaomu K Yea I can see her wanting to learn more about them.. Maybe have it so the Villian is a professional hunter kinda like kraven the hunter from the Marvel universe that be cool..😐
@Xiaomu K Yea I feel like a 2nd season could help.. but it have to either be very story driven or chaos driven but Yea it really be cool if like a stalker type hunter came after Michiru and Nazuna and stuff though that be neat But they might just go onto a new seris depending how the reviews are after a while longer idk
@Xiaomu K Boy can I agree with that man..👍
@@goodvibez9319 I was disappointed the human on beast discrimination wasn't explored outside the first episode and people just saying they're discriminated. A human villain would do wonders for exploring that. Like how about more people trying to enter the city and learning their story or Michiru and Nazuna organizing a civil rights movement on the mainland, trying to open borders between the two cities?
When I was watching BNA I was really disappointed that a lot of scenes were just to please the plot, with some scenes resulting too long and others being too short, making similar mistakes to the Steven universe future finale.
I love this so much but the show is too short for it's story
I think that's the thing: it had potential to be longer (same thing I felt with Little Witch Academia). The exact same things woukd have been better if they were just expanded upon. Things like Human vs Beastmen conflict would have been better if they included more plots like the begining or the dolphin girl (and made Alan a pure human). And made Michiru's transformation a core conflict to understand and deal with.
I feel this could have worked fine if everything was about Anima city alone. It had a very interesting dynamic, including the Super Angry syndrome. They could have explored the situation of many beastmen living toguether and learning to live with each other (without going super angry mode). The fact that "the strongest rule" implies that the small/weak animals don't have the nicest time (situations where in Zootopia and Beastars have already control over).
I would have prefered the second option since teh baseball episode was hillarious, but it almost felt like e filler (just to stablish Michiru's ability to TF into different animals).
Also also, Michiru's friend can shapeshift into a huge fox, right? So can Alan and Shiro (and possibly Michiru herself). Alan and Shiro are imortal, so does that make them immortal too? Do they have the blood of 1000 animals too? So many questions...
hmm might be an issue with us allways wanting things to be finished at an ending.
But this story ends with a conclusion that it will take time to come to terms with things.
It's the realisation not the reaching to the goal that was the message of the story. . . i think hehe
@@icarue993 yeah I think you're right in most of this. I mean, personally, I would have no problem if the plot and everything stayed the same way they are, my only problems with this is that the expansion on the world and how everything works is minimal, as you said, the immortal thing would have been better if they expanded on it. I didn't think the super angry sindrme was unnecesary(it was something interesting but it felt too short and pointless, which is caused becouse of it's short duration duration).
If this had for example two seasons with each one having 12 episodes or similarly, it could have worked. They could have made the first one about Michiru learning about beastmen, how that world works, how everyone is treated, that the cult exists, what is beastmens religion about,etc, and let the second season be about Michiru learning that her best friend is the cult leaders tool, that Adam is a beast men and all the twists
I mean, it still wouldn't have been perfect, but it would at least be a more satisfying ending
I *wanted* to like BNA, but it just seemed so directionless to me, there was no drive in the story..
Truly
The bit where they all go berserk and transform over the dslightest bit of bad new at the end didnt make much sence either. I thought they were biologically enhancing animals. The rhino guy needed an injection to change but the croud at the end were just told 'This person isnt a god' and it transformes whoever the story saw as convenient.
@@xandrepearcy449 The rhino guy wasn't injected with something.
@@blondiefox2781 i'm certain he was. The cult leader came in then pulled out a syrange, injected him then he changed. Sure of it.
I think the whole mental beast transformation thingie really destroyed the whole Beastmen are just like and equal to humans plotpoint. Like one moment Beastmen suffer the same issues as humans and then another they’re rabid, scary monsters who could wreck havoc on the world. Like isn’t that just supporting the fact that Beastmen are indeed dangerous and much more different than humans? I feel like they definitely could’ve done something with this twist but this was unfortunately the ending and it just made me think “Nothing really changed...”
Gotta agree. The story's really muddled. The world-building is sloppy. And the message is constantly contradicting itself, while throwing random plots in that really didn't lead to anything and wasted time which should have been building up the characters and plot.
And then we get the 'humans are bad and racist"... but then we find out pretty much IMMEDIATELY that a ton of the beastmen are just as awful and even sell their own kind. But then no one every learns anything from this...
We also find out that when beastmen get angry, they tend to turn into savage monsters... kinda justifying the humans fearing them in the first place... and that COULD lead to an interesting 'grey area' sort of philosophy, but like so much in the show it just goes nowhere.
It's just a mess.
The conflict in "Beastars", on the other hand, confronts the mess of their society IMMEDIATELY and puts a TON of nuance in it.
I agree with everything you said. I feel that the soundtrack and animation were BNA’s priority, and the story and characters were an afterthought.
Minty! You obviously didn’t read any of these comments. Nothing here said anything negative about the visual art of the show. We’re just criticizing it’s shitty writing.
More like, how they before the Anima city been created that their own trauma carry over that make their society just as broken as human society plus the constant anti beastmen group attacking them including having less rights.
Lots of people have said that if this show had more episodes, it would have been better but keep in mind that Beastars was only 12 episodes, and Space Patrol Luluco was only 13 episodes at 7 minutes each.
More runtime could have helped BNA but I think the issue is more about how they chose to use the time they had.
@Kross Personally, I don't mind the plot holes / main criticisms of not presenting a theme as well as they could have but the unique concept, characters, animation, and coming of age story is enough for me. although giving it a 6 out of 10 would be a little unfair as this anime really tried to do something new and I feel that giving it a rating lower than SAO was a little harsh considering SAO just gave up after episode something (I forgot). I would give it an 8 because while it might not be super thematic and present a strong message I don't think it needs to.
I do think that more episodes to flesh out the world would have been better and it isn't a 10 but a 6 considering all the effort and care that went into this seems a tad bit unfair although, let reiterate that your criticisms are not wrong. its just that I don't think it ruins the show enough to bring it down lower than SAO.
@@lexblade6199 Watch this: czcams.com/video/l-glQmMHSGE/video.html
@@Krossxc I see, but my main worry is that you will discourage others to not even give the show a try and as someone who likes this show despite most of its flaws my concern is that if the first thing people see when they look up BNA is something that shines it in a bad light. it will make people think the show is bad without even watching it.
I think that it would be best if you put a link to that video at the bottom of your description for every video, that way people like me who are new to your channel will have a better idea of where you are coming from in terms of scoring and not do what I did and jump to conclusions, however I took the time to ask questions and add my own opinion while others may just read the title and be angered.
Good video though.
Beastars has only just begun really. The characters are better designed so even though it also started several plot threads without following up on them, it was done so with more gravitas (and manga readers already know it will deliver the goods on those threads, eventually).
I think BNA would have been fine with more episodes because that is honestly where it lacked most. Yes, you have shows that are really good with just as few episodes. That means literally nothing because they are not the same stories and as such they don't necessarily need the same run time to work. BNA didn't work at 12 episodes.
With that said, Beastars is a bad example because it's not even finished, there will be another season and possibly even more. BNA was an original, very unlikely to be getting a second season of any kind. Meaning the entire full story of the entire series was crammed into 12 episodes. Beastars wasn't.
I literally yelled, "are you kidding me that's just like Promare!" when that reveal happened. The characters were nearly identical, smooth talking blonde "heroes" who end up being the same as the oppressed people. I think it would have been interesting if Shirou was hit by the null dart or something that involved a creative fight with Sylvasta instead of another giant laser blast off that is getting kinda old these days. The show has such well made fights, but gives the last main conflict a troupe and lack of interesting sequence. I loved the build up at the concert, especially when Michiru and Shirou were facing off with the music and crowd in the background, but all the hype leading up to everything was kindof a let down. In some ways, it would have been more of a twist and surprising if Sylvasta ended up actually being a good guy trying to atone for the difficulties his ancestors caused, just literally anything else from the recycled Promare twist.
I watched this a couple days after watching Promare and I was like:
So pre much Promare but with furries...
It felt like too much of a recycle, honestly... which is pretty sad. Trigger can do so much better.
But Promare was actually pretty good
Abzu 235 it definitely was. But Trigger can do much better than to just recycle character designs like that. I mean sure, they're not exactly the same, but a little variety doesn't hurt.
@@abzu2358 Promare was good, I was mostly disappointed that they had all the same twists and similar characters in BNA though
I really don’t dig the fact that this show pulled the exact same plot twist that they had with Kray in Promare. I know Trigger made both Promare and BNA, but Promare came out too recently for them to reuse this plot twist tbh.
What’s Promare lol?
Critter Whisperer A movie that Trigger made recently. It’s really good and I recommend that you check it out when it’s available to buy/watch on a streaming service.
Does that really surprise you? Almost everything Trigger related can tie back to another project of theirs. For example, darling and the franxx takes aspects from gurren lagann, while kiznaiver takes aspects from darling. It's why I have a love-hate relationship with Trigger, they either make something amazing or they just fail to reiterate a previous story that's already been told. I had really high hopes for BNA, such a shame honestly.
@@XxLBPlayers123xX Kiznaiver came out before Darling in the FranXX but yeah, I totally agree with you.
Blitzkatze oops you’re right thank you
Yeah I was very :/ after watching the shows finale. It's not bad, very watchable, but it's potential was wasted. I expected more and left just annoyed at Michiru's actions. I did however like her relationship with Shirou, I wish we could've gotten more episodes dedicated to them going on "missions" which could range from stopping robberies to helping lost kids.. Idk, anything that would feed their older brother/younger sister relationship
If only we could get a second season to reclaim some of the missed potential. Do a bit of buddy cop stuff, maybe stop a new plot started by hostile humans who were all too happy to jump on board with this plan. Maybe do the 'team up with good humans and stop the hostile humans' bit.
Even if it got a 2nd season, if it spent the season just Fixing season one plot holes and other messes, then it would be a pretty messy/rehashed season 2, if it tries to further things and ignore the mess of season 1 then it will also be a plot hole ridden mess. It's kind of in a catch 22 all because Trigger refused to make a tighter focused story or not make it a 26episodes right off the Bat!
@@robertwallen1582 They literally couldn't though. You don't animate as well as trigger does without cutting down on how long you need to animate for. Beastars is CGI and that costs alot so that needed 12 episodes they just got lucky and had a manga to go off of when it came to the story. BNA on the other hand is a legitimately new ip that trigger has that started with an anime and has a manga that takes place between episodes 3 and 4. (Note the manga probably helps out with issues like plot holes but i haven't read it yet so idk)
@@uratheboi1555 Then Trigger should have told a story that worked in 12 episodes and not one that needed 24, that's on them and their writing staff and director for approving a story that needed more episodes to be told
The start was good. The end fall apart. Still enjoyable though.
I watched in two parts and the first part had me really hyped thinking "oh yes this is going to escalate and be like Kill La Kill and end up in some shocking big revelation and an epic battle" and then I realized it was only 12 episodes, and of the first 6 some already had been filler so I thought "yeahh this isn't going to end too well, is it?" and it was confirmed to me when they started pouring lore like mad men in the last 2-3 episodes and plotwists that had no hint or really too much logic left and right; it ended just being a pretty stylized pile of mushy mess. I agree with you, it left me feeling meh and thinking "okay? That was it? What was the whole point?? How does this ending solve anything???" Def a 6/10
I've seen a number of series like this. The story lollygags around for most of the runtime then goes into ludicrous speed in the final couple of episodes, which leads to the appropriate use of "Well that escalated quickly!" and "My brain is so full of fuq right now!" memes.
@Minty! What?
trigger has a habit of jamming lore into the last 1/4 of an anime
The one thing i hate about this show is the bloody netflix copyright that give almost all of thier "original anime" almost 0 attention
I can't take anything you say seriously with a loli Ahegao pfp
TableWrens To be fair, furry pfps aren’t much better
@@N8-PT Everybody gansta till someone shows up with a furry ahegao profile picture.
You mean Netflix holding an exclusive license for streaming BNA? If Crunchyroll had an exclusive license for it, no one would be complaining because their entire library is anime. But this is still better than before streaming was so mainstream; you would have had to gone out of your way to purchase the DVD (which are usually ridiculously expensive for what you get) just to watch it. Paying $14 for one anime is actually worth it in comparison, even if you don’t get to keep it. Exclusive licenses is just how the streaming world works today. And BNA still gets a ton more attention than all of the anime that came out 10, 15 years back just because they were so hard to watch, so we’re moving significantly in the right direction.
Sauce?
I personally think it was great, just my opinion. I just needed to say that.
Same here, bud.
Same here
Same here.
Me too
Well, he didn't say it wasn't great.
Feels good to be awake late at night
PokéBlox yes agreed XD
*Not Sleeping Night* :P
going into this with an open mind, since i loved BNA, really looking forward to hearing your thoughts on this.
looking back, i can see where your points are coming from, and are solid. i do agree that with more episodes really fleshing out the story and what they were trying to do in BNA, would have done it justice with its storytelling, lore, and character development. though i will admit i loved those goofy bears
I enjoyed your opinion and while I still loved the series, I can see what you're talking about.
Honestly to me, these 12 episodes just feel like the end of act one in a much larger story, one that we may never sadly see explored. I really think this show could have benefited from being 24 episodes. It drops the fact that the Sylvasta family has essentially been manipulating humans for centuries and for all we know, might be the reason tensions between the two species got to such a boiling point. Alan's ideas were mostly expressed in the final episode in a hurry before we could learn if any of it was true or just his own warped perspective.
This show likes to tear down any characters' preconceived notions of how things should be and punish them for believing in a half-truth. This happens to Shirou, Michiru, Nazuna and Alan. I like how the show doesn't necessarily call out their opinions as invalid either. Only the mayor seems to see the whole picture and is shown to be the most adaptable, realizing that both humans and beastmen must overcome these preconceived notions by learning to live together rather than walling themselves off from each other which will only cause them to fester. A season 2 could bring in more humans as supporting characters and antagonists to explore this more fully. This series was a little clumsy, but I still had fun. 7.5/10 for me which I will upgrade to an 9/10 if we get a season 2 that expands on themes.
You mentioned Beastars, but to be fair, Beastars is guilty of putting things on the backburner as well such as Tem's murder.
SnowWolfAlpha to be fair tho, putting tem on the backburner allows us to understand who we r watching first, and know why we care about tem’s murder all the more throguh the character and world building established. I think it’s a perfectly fine way to dangle a whole slew of meat in front of the audience and then show them why they should appreciate the meat before digging into it,
Beastars has a lot of things left on the backburner but what is present in season 1 felt like a complete, focused, and efficient narrative.
@@Krossxc On top of that, Beastars is an adaptation of a manga, not an original anime which should've had a focused story and a beginning and end for it in a single season. Beastars did better in that regard, even though it wasn't even that essential as it was for BNA.
Tem's murder was put on the backburner for a very good reason, as you'll see. It's structured very well, bringing in the dark side of the society one piece at a time. That murder was the opening warning that 'all is not well' in their world. Then we get a look at the internal struggles of the main characters, their backgrounds, their flaws, and the unstable foundation of their society. It also gives the central characters a growth, strength, and additional tension which will all come to bear (heh heh heh, I did a thing) in season 2 when the murderer is revealed and the motivation behind it.
And there's more too. Oh so much more.
But, even if we didn't get another season, cleverly keeping that opening murder as nothing more than an introductory event keeps it out of the spotlight, which instead shines on the characters and their interpersonal and societal problems, allowing us to get a character arc for all 3 main characters as well as growth of a number of secondaries, while telling a fairly complete narrative. The murder doesn't contribute to any of those events other than tangentially, as do several other murderers and kidnappings mentioned throughout.
I found the story setup and plotting structure quite well thought-out.
@@happyskitty Mmmmmm, meat.... *eats Haru!* >:3
It's the writing that brought down BNA for me. The first episode did an amazing job setting up the world and Michiru while also pulling me in. But then immediately in the next episode her plot gets stalled into looking for her lost wallet and then completely ignored with her agreeing to teach orphans to read and write which THEN spirals into freaking human trafficking only to be saved by Ogami. And to be sure nothing is wrong with any of this episode but directly after it in episode three Michiru's and the overarching plot starts right back up again with basically nothing in episode two really mattering save for retrieving her wallet. The trend continues with random side stories like the baseball and seal girl episodes that don't really do much. I believe these things are supposed to serve as spotlights on the kind of the people who actually live in the city and while also getting to know the protagonist better but for me is really emblematic of the show's meandering and directionless feel.
And that's not even mentioning a tone problem that starts in episode one and pervades the whole show; basically every single character except Michiru have little to no morality. The mink casually takes all of michiru's money for entrance into the city despite how debilitating that would be in a new place, the female mobsters tricking Michiru into teaching children so they are worth more money, the other mobsters committing murder and just generally being terrible, the people at the human party not caring or understanding(?) that the seal girl is drowning, murder being perfectly fine and accepted as long as your playing baseball, a bunch of slum goers happily about to burn someone alive, the whole cult and Michiru's childhood friend in general. The show establishes early on with two randos fighting that might makes right is how the city works but it goes too far over into bad writing for much of the series in my opinion.
Then there's the entire latter half of the show that has the issues pointed out in the video here. I was so disappointed in this show because of how enthralling the art and animation are but it really doesn't even come close to coming together as a cohesive narrative on even a casual viewing.
not human trafficking, *beastman* trafficking.
In my opinion, BNA is a mix-up of concepts and characters from Promare, Little Witch Academia, Gurren Laggan and kill la kill...
With themes that were already explored in Zootopia and beastars
That sums it up well. It was like a number of writers wrote pieces of it, each one focused on some totally different aspect or theme.. and then all the scripts got thrown into a blender for a second, before the show was poured out and half-baked.
It really feels like the show isnt over. Like I know it's a trigger show so a season 2 probably isnt gonna be a thing, but i dunno, its like are so many plots they actively plan on addressing in the future simply becuase they didnt even try to half ass them
I agree beastars is alot better especially the manga what intrest me in this show so much was the art colors and cute mc but alot was left unanswered and unresolved but i still ADORED this show. It is great imo but can be improved highly but a show doesn't have to be complex to be good. Bna is very simple it doesn't do anything groundbreaking like beastars but it's entertaining and thats what makes a great show.
Beastars is getting a second season. Many of those little plot threads will be sewn together at that time!
Tbh if they have a season 2 of BNA with a more consistent story then I think it can make the show stand out even more
Nah bna. I think beastars has a great story and it's pretty great too. It's just I feel like beastars sometimes forces itself to be more gritty and mature while bna doesn't do an amazing job at building its sub plots and characters but it just feels like all the other great trigger anime. Most of the characters personalities are just amazing and the show is just as fun to watch even with the usual trigger "issues" I would rather see another season of this over beastars. But that's Just me.
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Beastars? BRO obviously ITS BETTER dude
Beastars is like 2 the best anime on earth!
Honestly it was kind of refreshing because when bna was first announced the first thing people did was compare it to zootopia and Beastars, for understandable reasons. But after the underlying heavy nature of zootopia and blatantly dark theme of Beastars, a good ol' superpower show with anthropomorphic animals was just nice. I think BNA would have been FAR more well received if Beastars hadn't JUST blown up.
I stopped watching this anime at episode 4, I didn't enjoy anything and I constantly just paused the anime trying to understand characters, plot, scenes because nothing makes sense.
Damn, this is a good fucking critique. The Kill la Kill part was perfectly cut short, because it was quite the throw in, but totally deserved to be mentioned. I personally liked alot of stuff about BNA. It's a must watch for me, even when I wouldn't call the writing superb or anything. I enjoyed it alot and love the music especially. Glad I watched this video before just coming to the comments and being a bitch about the title :D
Edit: To the "just" 12 episode argument. Idk peeps, afterall we got some amazing 12 episodes animes and especially for a studio like trigger it shouldn't pose a problem. Surely there are things that have to be cut short, but this show has some serious writing flaws at some points where it's basically just "let's do this for no particular reason and go ahead with it". Doesn't mean it's bad in anyway, just that 24 episodes are no golden solution, but in my heart I do kinda hope it would be like that
Agreed 100%. It's not a masterpiece, but it's one of teh few anime I managed to turned my brain off and enjoy. I might do it again in teh future, with the aim of analysing it.
I froze for a sec cuz I thought you were quinn... may she rest in peace
I honestly loved it, and you have really valid points but my biggest issue with BNA is how shitty Nazuna was towards Michiru. She straight up gaslights her until the last couple of episodes and never apologizes.
I like the analogy “it was a perfect meal, but I was still hungry at the end”
I like shows that have a lot more science to it. Like how in my hero Acidemia Izuku Midoriya can't control all of his power because of his body and because of how strong the power is. You see him slowly evolve and use his quirk in amazing ways. Like the part with his broken finger and then his idea of the egg/pastry in the microwave. Same with the idea of being a hero. Deku wants to become a hero because he hates seeing people suffer and not being able to do anything about it.
So I agree, this looks okay but I feel it needs more emotional sense and science to it and some character development.
He’s a takoyaki 🤪
BNHA and Scence don't mix well
Loved it, just needed 24 episodes for more exploration
A question for everyone: were you expecting BNA to be a 24 episode anime? I sure was. In fact, the revelation that there were only six more episodes after the first six came completely out of left field. Like, I guess a clue could have been how the OP and ED were 30 seconds less than the status quo, but that actually doesn't prove anything.
I had a ton of fun with this anime, but my genuine criticism was that it was short. It's not like my experience with Kiznaiver, where I think that 12 episodes was a good choice for that anime. The reason for that is because Kiznaiver doesn't have a lotta world building going on, and unlike the other longer original anime Trigger puts out, it's the most grounded in reality. BNA has HELLA world building and lore, and 12 episodes really isn't enough to tell a story with this kind of ambition. Another thing I could say is that Alan's reveal as another immortal beastman undermines what we've learned about him and his motives, but I think it isn't as undermining as others may think because his motives are still based upon prejudice and supremacy, so I can let that slide. Definitely doesn't come anywhere close to the likes of Ragyo from Kill la Kill or Alexis from SSSS Gridman.
If they actually do another season of this after the Pandemic Arc is finally over, that would really bump up my opinion about this anime. I mean, I already like it a lot, but another 12 episodes would be fantastic. They left enough room for more development anyway. There's so much potential to explore more of Animacity as well as going into more detail about the pure-blooded beastmen. Not only that, but their's room to explore how the main cast of characters go about restructuring the relations between beastmen and humans.
When I binge watched BNA I was constantly changing my mind about more episodes coming out. But then the 3 or so last episodes happened where it felt like the end. After watching them I was kinda underwhelmed. I thought something like "So the Alan twist was kinda stupid and not really foreshadowed (it was even kind of disproved by the drink he bought). Also I really thought that they would defeat Alan by using that chemical to turn beastmen into humans on him but I guess they wanted to make that fight flashy so they didn't do it and even let Alan fricking escape (which maybe could do for a second season but I kind of doubt it). The finale didn't even feel great because it was just kind of wishywashy as in not conclusive enough but also not really open ended (literally the main villian escaped and that's not open endness but a reason to make a second season - which as I said eariel I kind of doubt that they would make it).
Also one more thing that I thought was stupid - I am talking about the reason that the main character was turned into a beastman. Were the blood bag that they got not marked or, I don't know, didn't have a different blood type or race written on it! (I am talking about the blood type being different for humans and beastmen which I think someone was explaining in the anime). But don't get me wrong, I didn't hate that Michiru was turned into a beastman but they could do it better.
I still enjoyed watching BNA though and I agree with the series needing more episodes (at least 12 more)
I was!It would had been so much better.
I liked this show and I know this show has a bunch of flaws but I hope it gets a second season.
Well,I wanted too.But unfortunately it isn't.
I found the dolphin girl episode to be the most problematic for me since it establishes that beastmen and humans are isolated even in the internet and when Michiru's photo goes viral on social media, I kinda expected there to be backlash because the phone she bought had illegal access to humans on the internet.
It didn't help that the dolphin girl is the mafia boss' daughter so I thought it would be a huge deal that she almost died but nothing came out of it. Also I felt like her seeing that post her mom made for her birthday would be a mayor factor in her deciding whether to go back but its never mentioned again.
Overall I feel like this episode could be cut out because her being able to turn back into human form is only talked about once but never again
This show just makes me sad. The presentation is so amazing but the story is so disappointingly ok and wastes so much potential it just sad thinking about how it was so close to being so good.
@@bepsucks He's stubborn and in some way even racist. He doesn't like building deep relationships with others.
@@animatorireenie8319 but wheres that weakness
@@bepsucks You mean like physical or what?
@@bepsucks I would say his PTSD (if I can call it that way) from Nirvasyl
Well it could touch those subjects its just 12 episodes feels like a bait to get more interested in this series
Beastars is 12 eps and its amazing
@E D but its not the end. So it can get better and it had alot of themes not jus humans vs beasts. Its not really that bad .
@@a.b1913 and there's a ton of anime with mediocre story too.. and remember beastars have a source material and depends on the author if the series will be good or not... BNA is an original anime w/o source material..
@Xiaomu K i think they can all grow and it would be interesting if they manage to balance the growth and the spirit of protecting the city 😊.
I agree. This show shud’ve handled pacing better so that it could fit 12 or 13 episodes or cut down other sub plots that you can’t finish by the last eps
i sorta am bugged how trigger does 12 episode series with independent stories but still think there is time for filler almost episodic feelin episodes exception of luluco cuz it was made very well tbh. Sorta the thing of establish stuff from beginning, free time for some reason, try to establish an ending from the few ending episodes, have sakuga and wildness to make people kiss trigger's boots. Maybe some nostalgia feelings here and there. I loved ssss gridman but I do sorta hate the feeling how trigger does try to tackle concepts but doesn't want to go in deep enough to have the feelings strike home or make the characters have some sort of impact to me, like trigger knows how stories and themes can be made but doesn't know how to make them fully baked. And a heavy dosage of not showing but telling to make substance. It's like trigger feels passionate but sometimes they don't wanna make the oven turn on for a few more.
While I agree that BNA isn't amazing, I'd say that it's a little unfair to Michiru's character arc just revolved around getting to know beastmen and choosing to stay in Anima City. From the very beginning, I just assumed that Michiru was going to stay in Anima City. It's not like Michiru ever really hated Anima City or had problems with beastmen; being a beastman was just an inconvenience for her because of the life she had lived, up to that point, as a human. What I think is more interesting about her character is how she runs headfirst into situations assuming that her convictions are also the convictions of whoever she's trying to help. In this way, Nazuna's story is very much tied to Michiru, because the whole idea, at least to me, is that Michiru needed to stop insisting on saving/changing Nazuna. Furthermore, Shirou's own personality parallels that of Michiru in this case, since he too acts blindly based on his own (often misguided) beliefs. Over the course of the show, both of them learn to accept other people's viewpoints, with Michiru having to more or less let Nazuna be the idol she wants to be, and Shirou seeing, through his budding friendship with Michiru, that humans and beastmen don't always have to be at odds with one another.
To elaborate a bit further: I feel similarly about both BNA and Kiznaiver, another Trigger project. Other than looking amazing, the most interesting and well-developed aspects of these shows are the interactions and relationships between specific characters. All the big stuff (i.e. plot twists and moralistic messaging) just makes the story weaker.
while not being as good as Beastars, it was non the less a good experience and i would recommend it. and yes, i do agree with what he says and disagree with some parts too. doesn’t mean i hate him or anything. i respect his opinions. ok, i’m done now.
I honestly keep forgetting that you have 5k subs, your video quality is easily the same of channels with millions. Keep it up, the algorithm will come around soon!
The problem for me is that it’s only 12 episodes. The magnitude of this story needed more than that, like 21 episodes.
Well...
...at least the Ending Theme and the animation of it was awesome, right?
It's late at night and I'm not an intellectual but I gotta say this.
Now I have to see this show.
I have yet to actually watch it (the show in question) and your video.
Mostly because I was highly skeptical of it. I run in furry circles and while I see more people gushing about Beastars, BNA has it's own fans who love the stylishness of the show. I've seen a lot of passionate artwork directly tied to the themes Beastars puts forth but I have yet to see someone liking BNA for what it's actually about rather than hype and fun jokes about it being the year of the furry and such. I'll come back to this video soon enough, and I'll see what you have to say then.
It's honestly pretty good. I think that as long as you aren't looking to critique something it's a pretty good anime. The art style is awesome. The way that reds and blacks are used in action is great. I will say that the characters although they don't have much development, they're fun.
It's no beastars but I honestly fell in love with Michiru. I've never understood how some weebs can love can love a person so much until I watched it. I've always been like I like that character or love them ironically. But I would say that if I had the chance I'd out of anyone in any anime want to befriend Michiru Kagemori.
-I Also want to note I'm not one of those people that will actually for lack of a better word "Crave" Their "Waifu"
Anyway If you do decide to watch it love to see you join the people who like it. If not that's okay too..
So? Have you watched it?
I personally think BNA is pretty good and enjoyable overall, but some of the plot twists are kinda predictable at times. The animation and music is so good tho!
Trigger: "I like this anime. Let's work on it."
CD Project Red: "Wait! Can you make an anime based on our game, Cyberpunk 2077?"
Trigger: "Give BNA ten episodes! We're working on Edgerunners now!"
Basically this show is enjoyable exclusively in the terms of animation, character design and music, the ending of episode 12 just ruined it for me when we learn about our antagonist being a pure beast. It really shattered everything that could build a sensible explanation of how this world works. The fact that Ginru managed to defeat the pure beast and induce a raged state in him is so ridiculous 😫 Had so many hopes for this show, it seemed quite solid to me for even a 8/10 but then the last episodes just flushed all the potential down the toilet. And I just don’t like when there are these “hax modes” in anime when a protagonist executes something that defies logic completely using his willpower or something to win.
The character designs aren’t particularly original IMO. They look a lot like my DeviantArt gallery when I was 14.
I don't think that the girls at the party didn't know dolphin girl couldn't breathe, it was just that she didn't care. Which acts as this divider because we, as well as michiru see that even in younger people humans have a disregard for beast man life. Especially since that girl shrugs it off like "well she's a dolphin beastman right, water's her thing" or however she specifically phrased it.
For me I liked the first 6 episode. And the last 6 episodes fell apart.
I was looking into watching this after I binge watched beastars but decided to look into it before and came across your video, and man I say I liked it, you give a solid opinion with good argument never discrediting the show, audience or creators but instead giving it it's ups and downs like it should be.
Personally I loved bna but I can see your point I personally think that there should be a season 2 to expand on the ideas of bna anyways your video was really good I disagree with some points in your video but over all it was really good
I was actually planning on watching the series ( also recently finished Beastars).
And honestly, now I'm kinda excited! Because now I completely get what it's trying to do, instead of confusing it for a show with.....wel...... some deeper themes. Anyway, great video! Really lovin this channel :)
They never answered the question of why they were creating experimental drugs that turned humans into beastmen. For some reason I expected that to go somewhere or for there to be the twist that Slyvasta wanted to become a beastman or some bs.
I kinda want them to introduce a human who likes beast-men way too much like he would be an animal fanatic or a straight up furry if they ever make a season 2 just to see a reaction from Shirou who automatically assumes all humans hate beast-men and then gets to be disgusted by to much love for comedic effect. They did say at the end of the show that humans will now be allowed to visit animaciti. Also the show was apparently rushed due to the covid situation so a lot of stuff got left out apparently.
I think the thing in episode 4 when the partygoers put Nina in water and not pay attention to her drowning is meant to be like how some people online say they’re about fighting discrimination just to make them feel good about themselves without actually caring. Like when Lisa tells everyone to recognize the hardships Nina had faced and when Nina tried to clarify that she hadn’t faced any hardships, Lisa just doesn’t listen and just calls her cute and everyone for the rest of the party just treats her like a performance dolphin at a zoo. We even hear a couple of people say that they can’t imagine living with beastmen.
One of the problems I had with the show was how obvious it was that Okami Ogami was the Silver Wolf, it was soo obvious I didn't even know it was supposed to be a secret. There was this time we saw the Silver Wolf for the first time from a distance and I thought I was looking at Ogami.
Yeah, I saw that coming from a mile away. Having Ginrou and Shirou show up within moments of each other really didn't help. I think they could have done without showing Ginrou that one time and just kept with the descriptions of him. Showing him in the 1st ep was just a dead givaway.
Me: reads title of this video
Also me: *angry tanuki noises*
As someone who was genuinely excited for this show, I totally agree with what you're saying. When I watched the first six episodes back in March, I was ready for this to be TRIGGER's next big hit. I loved the characters, the setting, and I was super pumped to see where the story would go. Then we get to episodes 7-12, and everything you said rings true. Watching your video has got me thinking about what BNA could've been. I still genuinly enjoy the show, but I must admit even when watching the finale, something just felt off.
One more thing I wanted to mention. In one of their Q&A streams, Yoshinari Yoh (the director) revealed they had wanted to keep the show within Animacity. I think this unintentionally caused the Human vs Beastmen prjudice subplot to get ignored. I hope that this show gets a season 2, and that TRIGGER can use said season to improve on some of the plot and world building. They certainly have the groundwork for it now. And hey, this is Netflix we're talking about. There's a pretty decent chance of it happening.
tl;dr Really nice video.
"I'm Michiru Kagemori!" and "I'm Atsuko Kagari!"
have the same energy
I love BNA but In my opinion, I thought that this anime is too short (Just 12 episodes) to explain the background of each characters. Just hope they (studio trigger) will continue making this anime to the next season and tell the things they left behind.
I was really upset when Michiru turned human and it wasn’t really emotional to her or put into the show anymore after the fact you mysteriously turn into a beastman for a whole year being discriminated and bullied and cooped up in a room and then when you finally turn back into a human you just WALK IT OFF??? Or when you met your friend after she was “kidnapped” and you n e v e r saw her again no you don’t cry you just say h e y and give a half assed hug Y E A H also what was the deal with the social media scene when her mom posted happy birthday to Michiru but she said nothing or when she went back to the regular city she didn’t even t h I n k about going to her parents and y’know telling them she’s okay? yeah just leaving a note for your parents is o k a y bull crap I wish there was more emotion in this show or if they make a new season that’s there’s more elaboration on things Trigger pls put absolutely more emotion (as you can tell I’m upsetti)
see this is why im so excited to finish this show ive been writing for the last 5 years, im hoping to do exactly what this show hadn't hit for me and others and start a conversation. its always sad to me to see shows like this that have so much potential to make a impact that then fail in the actual product when it could do so much more! it hurts my inner writer and director lol
Sometimes, you don't need to start a conversation. Sometimes you just need to go "Hey, wanna see something cool?" Peppering in a few deeper things is good, but one needs to be careful that they're not just handing someone a bowl that's nothing but that pepper. It's a delicate balance.
I have a suspicion that if this show gets a second season, it will cover some of the points you mentioned.
anyone else think this deserved 24 episodes in order to be “better”
Nnnngh I’m to early to read the hot takes in the comments :(
Boom, boom, boom, idea idea idea, and then it’s over. They don’t delve into anything, just scratch the surface. Why was there so much pointless tension between characters that never led to anything? I really expected Nazuna and Michiru to have a serious falling out and they would have to fight, but that never happened. The Mob boss was suddenly a good guy at the end? Beastmen can turn Nirvasyl just by being lied to? Oh, and now that dudes a snake. Ok. Oh, and the other dude is apparently a multiheaded immortal. Ok. Why do I care? They crammed so many ideas into this show, and it left no room for character development. This led to the entire plot being completely directionless. I agree, this show needed to be 24 episodes, because as it was, it was entirely to rushed. 5/10
The Beastman turned Nirvasyl was because the one they worshiped as a god turned out to be the thing the beastman hated, human. Also, it never said that Flip had reformed. Another thing, there is character development.
You hit the nail in the coffin about it's problems
Mixed signals
Too many storylines/plot points
Unfocused
One of my main complaints is the pacing itself was just all over the place. It really threw me off the show. Beastars had a nice pacing that slowly build up to the final episodes. Beastars feels like an actual roller coaster building up to the climatic last few episodes while using its filler episodes properly to show more about the world we are watching while, as you stated with BNA, it explained portions of the world then left it as background noise and wasn't ever really touched up on again.
It was alright, nothing to jump up and down about but alright. I did think it was weird that the beast men could change to look like humans and that with a few exceptions was how they spent their lives. Most of the big reveals were really strongly foreshadowed and so obvious.
I think you summed up exactly what I think about the show.
I love the artstyle, the characters and the overall idea of the show; but the plot leaves alot to be desired. Overall the story is way too predictable and instead of having filler episodes, they could have used the time to flesh out the story, world and characters more.
With a longer run time, I think more filler episodes like the baseball episode would actually help the character development and world building. They should have either committed to the story or had the story develop in the background of multiple filler episodes.
@@dylancoles3314 "hey should have either committed to the story or had the story develop in the background of multiple filler episodes.
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Problem was, that they started so many mini arcs during the 12 episodes, filled with tid bits of information on the beastmen society.
E.g.: one of the early episodes showed that there is a crime syndicate in the city and that women apparently have a low status in beastmen society; implying a "might makes right" social structure. This is further suggested by the baseball episodes, where MURDER is allowed during a sports event.
After that they completely ignored it and never mentioned it again.
So I'm just gonna say it Michiru is actually Kars.
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
I honestly could agree with anyone saying it should have been a 24 episode season. I feel like parts of the final could have been spread out more with the entire thing ending in 3 episodes. But it feels almost like they did crunch alot in just 24 minutes. I also kind of wish that the "savage" beastmen would have been more like that rhino guy cause damn he looked cool lmao
I was too bored to keep watching at Episode 2. Then again, I'm also old as dirt and have seen the patterns and expressions and 'screams of injustice' and all that a trillion times.
Probably a lot better if you're not jaded like I am.
Awww, and I was loving the animation, and characters..
You can have your own opinion
@@ImTyMac Yeah I know, but I never watched the Anime, and I usually listen to reviewers so.. Then again your right, but again never watched the Anime.
Oreo Artisy SnowLeopard I personally loved it, even after seeing all of the negative reviews on it. But I haven’t watched much anime, so maybe my opinion is invalid lol
@@ImTyMac Well it's okay if you like it, people have there own opinions you own.
Apparently in an interview with trigger, the anime is going to be adapted to a manga from the beginning and further than where the anime ended. So a season 2 could still be on the table at some point.
This is a great video! The only point I didn't really follow was the one on wanting the show to be ABOUT solving discrimination between humans and beastmen. I actually really appreciated that they didn't go that route right away. It seems like the show is designed to get more content sometime in the future, so the fact that they went so hard on solving the issues in the oppressed community FIRST actually made me super happy and felt real enough. If they're to deal with problems of oppression from others, I really think a community (in this case, beastmen) needs to work through/weed out any parts of it that are inherently self destructive. So I like that they tackled faith as a unifying/dividing force and people in poverty keeping other people in the worst dredges of their poverty down and that they have a mafia and even that the main villain was a beastman with an ability to thrive in an oppressor society too. The fact that oppression is mentioned but not something they actively deal with was kind of smart imho, just because it makes it clear that it's something that they ALL live with and understand, but because they're within the relative safety of their community they don't get the brute force of those outside problems. It forces them to focus on solving whatever tensions beastman have between each other. That said I think your analysis of their execution was spot on, because it came off...a little wonky. This unfortunately happened to both of the main villains (no one likes a last-second crazies when you were previously compelling, lotor) Still I think that the keen focus on what happens inside the city was a solid choice.
Oh and IDK if we were supposed to think that the 'drowning Nina' scene was supposed to be an accident. I read it pretty clearly as 'non-oppressed people who do social media activism because its trendy but in reality don't care about the people they're supporting'. I MIGHT be projecting there but the fact that it was a beastman costume party that they went to in the first place (cultural appropriating because lol fun) seemed like a pretty clear tie into that ideal.
honestly coming into this video, i was like “what the heck? i thought bna was pretty good” but after watching this video i realize that this show had so much potential :( of course i still enjoyed the show since i typically enjoy most shows i watch, but it could’ve been amazing! i loved many things about this show, but the story should’ve been more expanded and in depth. nazuna suddenly going from a toxic friend to part of the team confused me, i wish they could’ve taken more time on her arc so they could truly develop her character. i so do would’ve liked to see change between beastmen and humans, it’s so bizarre to me that this show was supposed to be about the oppression beastmen faced from humans! i wish there were more humans in the plot line so this could become apparent. lastly, i wish they actually changed something between humans and beastmen. its clear that they tried to make it seem like they did by letting humans into anima city, but for true change the oppressors have to change the way they behave too. they definitely took a different approach, michiru wanted to go back to being a human but at the end she liked being a beastman more and warmed up to anima city. of course it’s key that she warmed up to the city and her beastman form, but it would’ve been great to see the series stretch far enough in order for her to test her boundaries. rather than warming up to her new life in a way that makes it seem like she’ll never leave, she should stay in anima city but reach out to people of her past, it would’ve helped show the change between humans and beastmen. oh, and i said lastly before, but i still have one little comment- the whole aLaN iS a BeAsTmAn thing is SO freaking cliché 😤 like of course there’s a super op boss for the main hero to beat, and he was right there T_T man i loved the colors in that scene and all throughout this show, but i wish they made they’re own twists and turns that made the show more interesting- and they could’ve gone without the pointless fillers lmao (they were enjoyable, but maybe if the series was longer they could’ve been spaced out to make things fun once in a while, instead we got them all in a row :/)
BUT THE OP AND ENDINGS ARE ABSOLUTE BOPS I LISTENED TO THEM FOR ALL 12 EPISODES 🙈
mm. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Is there use in wondering what could have been? I'll agree that it went a bit too quick. If they did more of it, they could expand on things and bring in more of that human vs. beastman conflict. I'll agree it's not 10/10 best ever, but it's still pretty good. All down to tastes, I suppose.
I suppose I have ulterior motives in hoping for its success. Been a fan of the kemono scene for a while, and if these recent kemono-heavy anime do well, chances are there will be more shows with them, or at least more of the token fanservice character in more shows for that market demographic. Japan handles that a bit more maturely than the west's general 'uwu nuzzles at u' style that's so stereotypical. Though, perhaps I'm deluded by my opinions and motives. Everywhere has their own seedy underbelly.
Well said. Western furry art has an emphasis on cuteness and ends up looking goofy. gives anthro designs a bad name. Japanese kemono on the other is pretty damn charming and doesn’t look obnoxious
I think the "Could have" is a thing you can say. It's frustrating when you see potential in something that will never happen. Imagine this would have been season 1. Then you can say that all the problems will be solved in said issue (political ramifications of beastmen/human conflict, Michiru's TF and is she immortal or can TF into a huge Tanuki (like the white fox and wolf) etc etc).
Agreed, it felt pleasantly slow paced but shallow up until the end where it ramped up very fast all of a sudden.
Also why did she, on her birthday, while in Japan, while looking human, not at ALL talk to her family. She had been running for a YEAR and they even made her a cake... I feel like it makes little sense
This series felt a lot like Promare, another studio trigger work. Blond guy wants to get rid beastmen/burnish but surprise he is a beast man/burnish
Cray Foresight wanted to use the burnish as fuel, where as Alan just wanted to turn the beastmen into humans.
Kill la kill: WANT TO KILL EVERY LIFE FIBER... OH WAIT... THE MAINs CHARs S
ARE A LIFE FIBER TOO?
Honestly, I have to agree with a just about everything said in this video.
I went into BNA wanting to love it. I enjoyed Gurren Lagann, and Kill La Kill still ranks among my top three favorite anime. On top of that, I'm furry trash, and, well... I think you can see why I'd have high hopes.
But it never felt like it really went anywhere, or even did much of anything meaningful with its plot.
To be fair, I get that Trigger's works aren't always about a super deep plot. And for the most part, I'm ok with that; not every show needs to have an incredibly deep story just to be fun and engaging.
Where I feel like BNA fails though is that it never really provides enough to *justify* that lack of depth to its plot. It doesn't lean far enough into the comedy, the spectacle, or really any aspect of the rest of the show to give a real reason for its lack of deep story telling.
Kill La Kill nailed it because it knew exactly what it wanted to be, and even if there wasn't a whole lot of depth to the story, it had this way of presenting itself with a certain confidence that seemed almost as if it was saying "yeah, we know, but fuck it: let's just have some fun!"
BNA on the other hand? It felt like it lacked direction, and with it, there was none of that confidence.
I wanted to enjoy BNA. I *really* wanted to love it. But as it stands, it's just...
...alright, I guess.
honestly, i feel like alot of the problems the show has could be solved if the anime was 24 episodes long instead of 12.
they just had too many half cooked ideas that werent fleshed out.
For the skyscraper scene, they should of had Michiru use her tail power right at the last second with Shirou jumping off after her only to fall straight into the ground but ending up relatively fine afterwards. It would have established that past episodes have an impact as well as showing a bit of character development/foreshadowing.