Wow. I knew that piston guns were hold-sensitive, and that it had something to do with the recoil and the time it takes for the pellet to leave the barrel, but I've never seen it explained like this. Thank you!
Revisiting some of your older videos . Six years later , who would have known how much you , Mr. Dubber , would have contributed to the Airgun world . Thank you sir !
I don’t care that I own couple of FX and Daystate air guns. I am never giving up my break-barrel springer! I love break-barrel springers! That’s what I started shooting, that’s what I fell in love with and I’ll die loving then
Love your videos Matt! I've been using and handloading for traditional firearms for many years but there are differences between air gun ballistics and conventional ballistics, and you point those out better than anyone. You highlight things you need to consider such as spin drift, and when it comes into play at the reduced ranges of air guns. That's one thing that I realized that helped me become a better air gun shooter - that you have to consider wind, etc. at ranges that you wouldn't even consider factoring it in with even small conventional firearms. I learned that well from you. Keep up the great work and I look forward to hearing more from you.
Now THIS was the best explanation of all airgun types I have ever seen. I used to think that the spring in a springer actually hit the pellet or the bb. Thanks for enlightening me. You got a new subscriber right here ;)
Thanks for sharing. I bought my PCP gun (AA 510 .22 xtra fac)and I love it. It was the last item accessible in Poland:))I won't sell it. I do also use Norica spring gun which can generate about 17 ft of power. Great but not so acurate as PCP. Like you said, PCP guns can be very expensive.
My QB78 thumbhole in .22 was shooting amazing after opening up the valve, bulk filling it and fitting a extended bolt probe. I’ve read a lot of trash talk about H&N Rabbit Magnum ii and in my experience it was a match made in heaven with my QB
hi matt. im a guy from sweden and my first airgun is a springloaded one, *FWB 300S vintage target air rifle* and i just adore it. the accuracy with this competition rifle is just awesome, the only negative about it is the power/weight of the gun.
One of the reasons that spring guns get a poor reputation for accuracy is that most people buy cheap ones. The cheaper spring guns use low quality piston heads and have poor machining on the inside of the air cylinder. These two things cause an inconsistent seal and air can leak past the piston head but how much air leakage occurs can change from shot to shot. Also, CO2 can be very consistent but it must be used properly. CO2 guns tend to operate at about 900 psi but this can change depending on the temperature. CO2 also cools as you use it so shooting slow is best for accuracy. I'd finally recommend that people use a bulk fill bottles as opposed to the small cartridges. The larger bottles can deliver 1000+ very consistent shots provided that the ambient temperature doesn't change too much.
I bought my first air rifle a Crossman 880 back in 1978. It's a pump up and still sold. Quite strong at 10 pumps, and you could vary the power by pump count so I could scare off some pests without killing them. I hunted with it for years as a kid and killed birds for trapping including crows and doves. Also squirrels and rabbits tho rabbits were usually headshots or required a walk up 2nd shot.
I have 3 springers, 2 pcps and my old Crossman pneumatic I got as a 13 year old in 1986. the PCPs indeed are a class apart and the power is unimaginable to someone who has only used springers. one drawback of the PCPs is that the shot count drops dramatically as you go up in caliber, my .25 Marauder only gets about 16 good shots before it needs air again, while my Steyr H5A in .22 gives about 60. a .177 version of either of these would give 100 plus shots, which would mean that you might not need to carry fill equipment in the field. as for springers, what the cost is how they perform in my experience, my Gamo big cat is only good enough for plinking and close range small animal pest control since it's a .25. I also have a recoilless Diana Air King fixed barrel side lever in .177 which is pretty accurate, but human error creeps in after a few shots because its so damn heavy. I also have a break barrel Feinwerkbau Sport .177 which has amazing accuracy for a break barrel springer, more than the Diana, or even the Marauder pcp for that matter. it's light and beautifully balanced, not to mention finished. I'm looking to get a .177 Daystate soon, but am confused as to which model to get. mainly for long range target shooting.
The old Sheridan Blue Streak pumper has survived more or less intact in the Crosman C9 series. I can still cram 12 pumps into my old Blue Streak and get 900+fps in .20 cal. I bought it in 1980. It has killed coyote, rabbit, and literally hundreds of quail and dove. Hang a small empty elmers glue bottle on a six foot string and 12 pump it between each shot. DON'T let the target stop swinging between shots. Lather, rinse, repeat for two 500 round boxes of pellets and you will forever after hit what you aim at. No matter what you shoot.
Hey Matt, this is a great idea for a series, very interesting. Thanks. However; you don't include a comment on the nitro piston design? Any chance of an addendum please?
yea. Springers/ GAS Ram scooting is challenging but FUN !!!!! PCP shooting is out standing in any way. performance, power ( in any Cal. ) last but not least accuracy !!!!! almost no recoil , depending caliber you use. FUN, FUN, FUN
3: 21 - .Thanks for the fine comparison. Multi-pumps require a lot of motion, noise, and time between each shot, too, so I don't try using my Crosman Legacy 1000 for hunting anything that might provide a second shot. 3: 49 - . Some CO2 pellet guns are plenty accurate within their range. The CO2 cools the mechanics if the gun is shot rapidly, but even then, 4 rapidly repeated shots will be accurate. They're great for small varmints and far less initial price. And a Diana Chaser is a quality and able small burrower hunting gun. Have to agree tho, many PCPs are the best overall.
I think you need to add one more category its the on board pump pcp . Its a pump pneumatic but instead of it releasing all the air that was stored at one time the pumps sends the air to a bigger tank and works in the same way a pcp works so you get multiple shots before you need to pump it up again . Unlike the regular pcp's that have to be filled with a external tank or foot pump ,there is no need for foot pump or external refill tanks with the on board hand pump pcp . The best thing about the on board style pcp is that you can shoot all day and keep your gun at the same pressure so there is no drop or a curve . You just take a shot and pump the gun one or two pumps and your at the same pressure you started with and there is no limit to how many shots you can take while in the woods or at the range . the only thing you are going to run out of is pellets and thats the way it should be . czcams.com/video/-jbzc-ssiJs/video.html
I agree there, if you limited the scope to pumper with the volume of 1377-2289 system, you ignore the range this single shot pcp design offers. Especially when adding blow open valve designs as the Sharp Ace to the table - it only takes someone to build a big pumper with blow open valve and polygon slug barrel, bonus for a manometer to gauge the exact pressure in the valve reservoir room and extra reservoir volume.
Loved all your videos and these in particular. I am interested in a high end gun either the FX Crown or the Day State Red Wolf. What I would like is a comparison on the adjustability of each plus the pros and cons of each.
Hey, I've been enjoying your videos so far. Since you reviewed air arms, FX, kalibrgun, etc.... Would you be able to do a Hatsan video as well, please. i just bought a Hatsan bt65 elite in .22 and I'm pretty sure you'll love this gun. Great video as always. Thank you
Hey mat Have you seen the HUBEN K1 its a ground breaking design giving you a propper semi auto action with a hammerless valving system ,its capable of shooting 73ftp of energy regulated!! so it can shoot point 22 cast bullets at like 1100ftps go check it out
Yeah the crossman 1377 may have low power but if you like to mod airguns and move wrenches the crossman 1377 is a great gun i think it is the most expensive airgun under $50 just because of all the aftermarket parts upgrades you can do with it. And just because a gun is a co2 powered doesn't mean you can't run. Hpa there are plenty of conversion kits and hook ups you can do but be carefull running higher pressure in co2 guns most parts in those aren't meant to handle higher PSI pressure then your unregulated CO2 tanks that operate at 800 PSI
Very nice video and explanation of the types of air guns. Do the "air spring" type have the same harmonic issues as the coil spring guns? Thank you for the seiesQ
What about the single stroke pneumatic? Obviously, they generally won't have the power necessary for hunting, but they make fine target guns. Guess I'm just old school, but that doesn't keep me from shooting my PCPs also!
I decided to go for a Co2 gun rather than a pcp, and I've never looked back. The gun is around 800fps with .177 and dead silent. The groups rival that of pcp's and is enough power for hinting.
I really like this series. I have a Discovery and kind of been looking at the Hatsan Gladius. I really like the yellow stock but don't think I can get it here in U.S..... Have fun hunting! -Nathan
Hey Matt, great video. From my experience, most people have the perception that spring air rifles are inaccurate because, in some models, you break the barrel to load the gun. Upon snapping the barrel back into place, the barrel might not align perfectly and thus, if you're shooting with a scoped gun, there would be some inaccuracy. Is this a real problem or simply myth? Cheers.
It is true about the lock up problem it is the pivot washer going out or loose tolences how to fix get brass or broze washers machine up anouther problem could be the spring that locks the barrel up i beleive is called the live jam is not long or strong enough to get a sturdy lock up. Good scoop mounts and lock tight will help the scoops moving and as well as getting tighter groops from the harmonics is to soft bed your gun stocks
What are your thoughts on the pistons, like the umarex octane? And is the Hatsan 95 any easier to control than the average springer that you described?
Hi, could you please make a test for the VULCAN air gun some people say it is the best gun in the world and we hope that you add your comments on this airgun. Thank you
please tell me why do you go for those high end pcp rifles when you can buy a .22 caliber powder cartridge rifel i mean you can get a very good .22rifle much cheaper tha some of the pcps please answer this question
Love the gas rams, figure our the hold and much more satisfying to shoot, more skilled in the end I think. Yes it has recoil but smoother then a springer. My pumpers are so easy to shoot its not as enjoyable. Same with my c02s. $1500-4500 is just not ever going to happen. I do get it though.
Howsit, Can you get semi auto pcp's in SA. doesn't have to be super accurate, just don't like the volatility of CO2, And where in SA could I get one if you can?
Hi Matt, which airgun can you recommend for hunting small to medium game?(rabbit and or springbok). I enjoy hunting birds like Guinea fowl and likewise so now I wanted to up my game but without using real rifles.
I was going to ask the very same thing. I was wondering if the vibration is the same as with a actual spring. Also, does this chambered gas have to be refilled over time?
@@MichaelOnRockyTop I think they do not have as much vibration, as there is an air piston instead of a metal coil spring, and the air is lighter. . The piston chamber gas should never need replacing. In theory.
So Matt, I should ask you, ( along with what Craig has just said...) would an underlever springer similar to the Weihrauch HW97, be a better option. I mean as far as there is no chance for barrel misalignment ? Also you didn't mention the Nitro Piston rifles, or do they respond as the normal 'springers' do ?
+Reg Sparkes Underlever is better in my opinion. I had break barrels for years and had countless issues. Nitro Piston guns will respond a little differently but there aren't that many "good" nitro piston guns out there
hi, does the stoeger atac s2 have the problem of becomeing unacurat because its a spring gun . And what do you think about the stoeger atac s2 is it a good gun to buy
i have a daisy 800 powerline it killed a skunk about 50 yards away it also can shoot through a filled tin can and have enough power to put a hole in another one behind it my dad has a blackhawk spring pellet gun that can shit 1500 FPS but it shoots through about 4 full cans and put a dent in the 5th one
+willam endler (willendler1993) I'd generally stay far away from anything shoting faster than 950 fps. If the pellet shoots any faster than Mach 0.8, then as a general rule it will destabilize. If you're jist plinking that's a different story, but for precision shooting slower can often be better
we use it for bird hunting and small game plus some plinking every now and again i think it was clocked at 1200 FPS with a red tip pellet my daisy only gets used with .177 cal bb's since it's kinda hard to get pellets in it with the scope thats on it i think it was clocked at 750 FPS with a pellet but i'm not sure since it was over a year ago
my good man I beg to differ the springer is the truest form of shooting you have to manage recoil which in term makes you a better shooter and in all honesty is more consistent than any PCP you just have to shoot the right springer the pcp is a waist of time and the springer will give you more accurate shots then any PCP get a service tune on your tx200 mark3 and kill at will
+kenny cadarett Springers have their place, but they will never outperform PCPs. Why do you think there is a seperate class for springers and PCPs in every form of competition shooting? Let's take the Extreme Benchrest for example. You need at least 50 foot pounds to even dream of placing in the top 10 at 100 yards on a windy day. Have you ever seen a springer that can shoot 50 foot pounds and still be accurate? No. Don't compare apples and oranges.
you might have a point but like I said It's knowing your rifle why do you think we all prefer a mildot reticle you just to compensate for the wind you don't need all the power you just need to understand how you rifle performs with you shooting it once you have had lead down range then you truly understand the rifle like ted in ted's hold over he wanted the $$$$ so he sent lead down range to get the $$$$ correct he held up a check for $5,000 because he sent lead down range to understand how he reacted with his rifle so it's not how much power it's how much you have shot the rifle ask a sniper
I always watch your channel and like it a lot. I don't usually comment but I disagree with your comments on spring piston air rifles. I shoot all kinds of guns from air to bullets to shotgun. I've got f.a.c.. air rifles and sub 12ft lbs PCP and sprinters and I can honestly say I can do the same with my HW97k and TX200HC as I can with PCP they are both tuned of course. A top end spring piston wants some beating. If Some people was to find fault with spring piston I would have thought it would be the weight although it doesn't bother me it helps in my opinion. Just my thoughts for what it's worth. Lastly if people learned to shoot a springer instead of going straight to PCP (a dead.soulless gun) they would find more satisfaction in there shooting achievements and make a more rounded shooter would you not agree?
I have 2 springers tx200 and a hw99, both highly tuned and I have beaten top end PCP in hft with both.. I would say I have one of the best tuned .22 hw99 in the UK, its just like a PCP but better as its a springer.
+lns41 Things are very different in the UK... Here in South Africa where we aren't limited to 12 ft.lbs, springers would NEVER be able to compete with PCPs because high power springers are a nightmare to shoot. So people stick with 10-15 ft.lb springers, and when you put a 15 ft.lb springer against a 30 ft.lb PCP the PCP will come out tops every time. When I visited the UK last year I realised that we live in totally different worlds
+AirArmsHuntingSA yes then I would say PCP lol, but in sub 12 springers can challenge pcps here in UK. only springer I think could possibly do well in FAC format is a tx200 sr as it is recoilless.
Quick question anyone can answer I don't mind but do you reckon a medium range springer would be capable of taking out small pests like pigeons or small rodents?
hi matt ive got a bit of a problem i was at my club last week the last target on the range was only 8 yards now ive got my scope scoped in at 30 yards . so using strelok it worked out 3 mil under compensation but could i hit it well no. Before you think can this guy hit anything im uss to hitting targets the size of 50p at 65 yards are yu able to advise
my hopes are to get a CO2 Crosman and to take it modify it drill a hole into the CO2 cylinder and have a CO2 compressed tank placed into it of course it's not going to be able to handle extreme pressures but it should be able to handle a lot more pressure than it had before and last a lot longer for being very cheap do you recommend anything that could be done like this or do you really recommend anything I could use for instance I've seen somebody use a solenoid switch that allows you to push it and it opens up a homemade chamber that compressed air goes into and the solenoid or the switch is pressed and allows the air to go into the barrel that's almost like I would want to do I've seen somebody use a fire extinguisher for a homemade gun but that is not my style
Personally my very first springer was a Perfecta MOD 31 ( rebranded by Umarex in EU I believe ). Really cheap gun, since it's all Chinese made you may need to work on the stock a little, sights are a bit crap so a red dot ( a cheap one, even with some parallax, will be ok if you're not shooting from quite far away ) could be useful but not obligatory etc ... Accuracy is OK, I've fired several thousands rounds without problems, I used it for plinking and had a lot of fun. I just bought a way better spring loaded gun for accuracy shooting and some pest control, Weirauch HW77, amazing rifle. I have no word to describe how much the quality of the adjustable trigger, the finish and accuracy are better than the chinese products but still ... A cheap one helped me choosing a better gun after a few years of use. Also, even it's not a top quality gun, you will train your shooting stance, breath, concentration ... Money won't buy you that ! Sorry for my English.
Thanks. I use to have Hatsan mod 33 (first springer gun, though still around beginner level) sadly though it broke. Been looking to get something simple in either Spring or Nitro piston for a rifle.
+Woods Lore I have a cometa falcon, old but gold the power in the thing is insane, if your looking for all round greatness though the best springers in the world are made by weihrauch, mainly the hw series
I definitely don’t feel like you gave Co2 a fair shake. There’s sub 200$ co2 guns that outshoot 1000$ pcps. The qb78 for example the xs60c the Umarex fusion, cr600w the b16a1 in the co2 version. All can lay half inch groups at 50 yards on co2 And can be converted to pcp with nothing more then a fill cap and regulator. If you run it off a small hpa bottle you can get a huge shot string just like with co2. No co2 isn’t viable for hunting at 100 yards due to lack of energy co2 has in 22 but I regularly take rabbits and squirrels at 50 yards with a sub 500 FPS .22 qb78 and they drop instantly with either head or Vital shots. It’s tuned around jsb heavies. To scale it’s like taking a steel shot glass to the head or heart at 500fos there’s no survival. Co2 in .25 and bigger calibers has proven to be amazing at 100 yards aswell. The bigger bore and heavy pellets actually give the co2 a better chance to expand and turn into a gas more efficiently. My friend has an mrod that he ran on c02 and it still broke 800fps with a 26grain pellet.
Wow. I knew that piston guns were hold-sensitive, and that it had something to do with the recoil and the time it takes for the pellet to leave the barrel, but I've never seen it explained like this. Thank you!
Revisiting some of your older videos . Six years later , who would have known how much you , Mr. Dubber , would have contributed to the Airgun world .
Thank you sir !
I don’t care that I own couple of FX and Daystate air guns. I am never giving up my break-barrel springer! I love break-barrel springers! That’s what I started shooting, that’s what I fell in love with and I’ll die loving then
Love your videos Matt! I've been using and handloading for traditional firearms for many years but there are differences between air gun ballistics and conventional ballistics, and you point those out better than anyone. You highlight things you need to consider such as spin drift, and when it comes into play at the reduced ranges of air guns. That's one thing that I realized that helped me become a better air gun shooter - that you have to consider wind, etc. at ranges that you wouldn't even consider factoring it in with even small conventional firearms. I learned that well from you. Keep up the great work and I look forward to hearing more from you.
Have owned springers since a kid in the 90s. Finally upgraded to my first PCP (Gamo Urban .22) and I'm never looking back!
Now THIS was the best explanation of all airgun types I have ever seen. I used to think that the spring in a springer actually hit the pellet or the bb. Thanks for enlightening me. You got a new subscriber right here ;)
Another great video Matt, thank you for all of the hard work you have put into these videos. Great work!
does anybody know about a pellet rifle that won't cock and stay
Finally it's here.... I've been waiting for this for a long time. Thank you
Thanks for sharing. I bought my PCP gun (AA 510 .22 xtra fac)and I love it. It was the last item accessible in Poland:))I won't sell it. I do also use Norica spring gun which can generate about 17 ft of power. Great but not so acurate as PCP. Like you said, PCP guns can be very expensive.
My QB78 thumbhole in .22 was shooting amazing after opening up the valve, bulk filling it and fitting a extended bolt probe. I’ve read a lot of trash talk about H&N Rabbit Magnum ii and in my experience it was a match made in heaven with my QB
Don’t know the FPS numbers as I don’t have a chrono and I no longer have the gun.
hi matt. im a guy from sweden and my first airgun is a springloaded one, *FWB 300S vintage target air rifle* and i just adore it. the accuracy with this competition rifle is just awesome, the only negative about it is the power/weight of the gun.
what is the power . thnks
640fps 6ft/lbs
Thanks so much for doing this series, looking forward to more episodes
Excellent vid loaded with info, but I have just one request and I know its a hard one, you are making us wait too much for your lovely vids :)
Another excellent video, Matt. Thanks, mate.
3:00 Where are all these excellent demonstrations which show how they work from? Is there a website?
One of the reasons that spring guns get a poor reputation for accuracy is that most people buy cheap ones. The cheaper spring guns use low quality piston heads and have poor machining on the inside of the air cylinder. These two things cause an inconsistent seal and air can leak past the piston head but how much air leakage occurs can change from shot to shot.
Also, CO2 can be very consistent but it must be used properly. CO2 guns tend to operate at about 900 psi but this can change depending on the temperature. CO2 also cools as you use it so shooting slow is best for accuracy. I'd finally recommend that people use a bulk fill bottles as opposed to the small cartridges. The larger bottles can deliver 1000+ very consistent shots provided that the ambient temperature doesn't change too much.
I bought my first air rifle a Crossman 880 back in 1978.
It's a pump up and still sold. Quite strong at 10 pumps, and you could vary the power by pump count so I could scare off some pests without killing them.
I hunted with it for years as a kid and killed birds for trapping including crows and doves. Also squirrels and rabbits tho rabbits were usually headshots or required a walk up 2nd shot.
Brilliantly informative video mate. Thank you. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼
Excellent series, even someone shooting for years can learn something!
Good info for the the the people wanting an overview. Looks like you put some effort into it. Nice series!
The beauty of PCP air guns they make an amateur look like a pro shot , springer air gun skilful shooter .
Great start to the series Matt.....well done
I have 3 springers, 2 pcps and my old Crossman pneumatic I got as a 13 year old in 1986. the PCPs indeed are a class apart and the power is unimaginable to someone who has only used springers. one drawback of the PCPs is that the shot count drops dramatically as you go up in caliber, my .25 Marauder only gets about 16 good shots before it needs air again, while my Steyr H5A in .22 gives about 60. a .177 version of either of these would give 100 plus shots, which would mean that you might not need to carry fill equipment in the field. as for springers, what the cost is how they perform in my experience, my Gamo big cat is only good enough for plinking and close range small animal pest control since it's a .25. I also have a recoilless Diana Air King fixed barrel side lever in .177 which is pretty accurate, but human error creeps in after a few shots because its so damn heavy. I also have a break barrel Feinwerkbau Sport .177 which has amazing accuracy for a break barrel springer, more than the Diana, or even the Marauder pcp for that matter. it's light and beautifully balanced, not to mention finished. I'm looking to get a .177 Daystate soon, but am confused as to which model to get. mainly for long range target shooting.
The old Sheridan Blue Streak pumper has survived more or less intact in the Crosman C9 series. I can still cram 12 pumps into my old Blue Streak and get 900+fps in .20 cal. I bought it in 1980. It has killed coyote, rabbit, and literally hundreds of quail and dove. Hang a small empty elmers glue bottle on a six foot string and 12 pump it between each shot. DON'T let the target stop swinging between shots. Lather, rinse, repeat for two 500 round boxes of pellets and you will forever after hit what you aim at. No matter what you shoot.
Hey what kind of hatsan were you using? Thanks Matt
Hey Matt, this is a great idea for a series, very interesting. Thanks.
However; you don't include a comment on the nitro piston design?
Any chance of an addendum please?
yea. Springers/ GAS Ram scooting is challenging but FUN !!!!! PCP shooting is out standing in any way. performance, power ( in any Cal. ) last but not least accuracy !!!!! almost no recoil , depending caliber you use. FUN, FUN, FUN
when are you going to upload the next part? i'll be there waiting eagerly
Always a a good video. Gosh I wish I would have some say I wanna get serious with airguns. I'd start them with this series.
What about a gas piston? It combines the easiness of a springer with the recoil of a PCP.
I believe gas pistons still recoil significantly. They still require artillery hold unlike pcp
3: 21 - .Thanks for the fine comparison. Multi-pumps require a lot of motion, noise, and time between each shot, too, so I don't try using my Crosman Legacy 1000 for hunting anything that might provide a second shot.
3: 49 - . Some CO2 pellet guns are plenty accurate within their range. The CO2 cools the mechanics if the gun is shot rapidly, but even then, 4 rapidly repeated shots will be accurate. They're great for small varmints and far less initial price. And a Diana Chaser is a quality and able small burrower hunting gun.
Have to agree tho, many PCPs are the best overall.
What about the nitro rifles?
I have a umarex gauntlet coming I plan on using co2 during the fall and spring and air for winter and summer.
i have a walther under lever and love it. it puts pellet on pellet and it's quite. maybe one day I'll get a pcp
I think you need to add one more category its the on board pump pcp . Its a pump pneumatic but instead of it releasing all the air that was stored at one time the pumps sends the air to a bigger tank and works in the same way a pcp works so you get multiple shots before you need to pump it up again . Unlike the regular pcp's that have to be filled with a external tank or foot pump ,there is no need for foot pump or external refill tanks with the on board hand pump pcp . The best thing about the on board style pcp is that you can shoot all day and keep your gun at the same pressure so there is no drop or a curve . You just take a shot and pump the gun one or two pumps and your at the same pressure you started with and there is no limit to how many shots you can take while in the woods or at the range . the only thing you are going to run out of is pellets and thats the way it should be . czcams.com/video/-jbzc-ssiJs/video.html
I agree there, if you limited the scope to pumper with the volume of 1377-2289 system, you ignore the range this single shot pcp design offers. Especially when adding blow open valve designs as the Sharp Ace to the table - it only takes someone to build a big pumper with blow open valve and polygon slug barrel, bonus for a manometer to gauge the exact pressure in the valve reservoir room and extra reservoir volume.
i have a springer for pests around the yard but i plan to get a FX once i save up for one
Thanks sir mat for your tips. I'm always watching your videos from Amlan Philippine's
Loved all your videos and these in particular. I am interested in a high end gun either the FX Crown or the Day State Red Wolf. What I would like is a comparison on the adjustability of each plus the pros and cons of each.
Hey, I've been enjoying your videos so far. Since you reviewed air arms, FX, kalibrgun, etc.... Would you be able to do a Hatsan video as well, please. i just bought a Hatsan bt65 elite in .22 and I'm pretty sure you'll love this gun. Great video as always. Thank you
Interesting, but what about high end springers like for instance from Dianna? They are supposed to be highly accurate.
Great job on this information.....really appreciated it!
Hey mat Have you seen the HUBEN K1 its a ground breaking design giving you a propper semi auto action with a hammerless valving system ,its capable of shooting 73ftp of energy regulated!! so it can shoot point 22 cast bullets at like 1100ftps go check it out
Yeah the crossman 1377 may have low power but if you like to mod airguns and move wrenches the crossman 1377 is a great gun i think it is the most expensive airgun under $50 just because of all the aftermarket parts upgrades you can do with it. And just because a gun is a co2 powered doesn't mean you can't run. Hpa there are plenty of conversion kits and hook ups you can do but be carefull running higher pressure in co2 guns most parts in those aren't meant to handle higher PSI pressure then your unregulated CO2 tanks that operate at 800 PSI
Very nice video and explanation of the types of air guns.
Do the "air spring" type have the same harmonic issues as the coil spring guns?
Thank you for the seiesQ
What about the single stroke pneumatic? Obviously, they generally won't have the power necessary for hunting, but they make fine target guns. Guess I'm just old school, but that doesn't keep me from shooting my PCPs also!
great review! always wanted to know the differences in air guns.
I decided to go for a Co2 gun rather than a pcp, and I've never looked back. The gun is around 800fps with .177 and dead silent. The groups rival that of pcp's and is enough power for hinting.
what farily good priced springers would you recommend
I really like this series. I have a Discovery and kind of been looking at the Hatsan Gladius. I really like the yellow stock but don't think I can get it here in U.S..... Have fun hunting! -Nathan
Hey Matt, great video. From my experience, most people have the perception that spring air rifles are inaccurate because, in some models, you break the barrel to load the gun. Upon snapping the barrel back into place, the barrel might not align perfectly and thus, if you're shooting with a scoped gun, there would be some inaccuracy. Is this a real problem or simply myth? Cheers.
+Craig Flanagan This is definitely a problem. Underlever is the way to go if you're getting a springer.
+Daniël Driescher Brocock seems to have very good value for the money pop's
It is true about the lock up problem it is the pivot washer going out or loose tolences how to fix get brass or broze washers machine up anouther problem could be the spring that locks the barrel up i beleive is called the live jam is not long or strong enough to get a sturdy lock up. Good scoop mounts and lock tight will help the scoops moving and as well as getting tighter groops from the harmonics is to soft bed your gun stocks
u removed ur pcp internals vid . :-( really looked forward to that fella . watched ur catalogue of vids . m8 u a top advocate 4 airgunning . peace
Thank you from a newbie. Still informative content.
Great Video Budd ;)
Great video as usual ! Can you make a review about diana 350 or diana 460 magnum ?
What are your thoughts on the pistons, like the umarex octane? And is the Hatsan 95 any easier to control than the average springer that you described?
Hi, could you please make a test for the VULCAN air gun some people say it is the best gun in the world and we hope that you add your comments on this airgun.
Thank you
Hey man I love you're vids what pcp would you recommend to but as a first and last pcp?
pump-co2 then pcp
Very good video. Amazing. Congratulations
can you suggest the best & cheapest pcp gun?....
Good stuff. Thank you.
What it mean by fill equipment required for the PCP.
please tell me why do you go for those high end pcp rifles when you can buy a .22 caliber powder cartridge rifel i mean you can get a very good .22rifle much cheaper tha some of the pcps please answer this question
Love the gas rams, figure our the hold and much more satisfying to shoot, more skilled in the end I think. Yes it has recoil but smoother then a springer. My pumpers are so easy to shoot its not as enjoyable. Same with my c02s. $1500-4500 is just not ever going to happen. I do get it though.
Howsit, Can you get semi auto pcp's in SA. doesn't have to be super accurate, just don't like the volatility of CO2, And where in SA could I get one if you can?
Yo sweet video very detailed 🙏
what you think. are the prices go´in down for PCP´s in some years??? because there so many brands !
Ye. You can get a pcp for under 200 right now.
please make a review of BSA R-10
Hi Matt, which airgun can you recommend for hunting small to medium game?(rabbit and or springbok). I enjoy hunting birds like Guinea fowl and likewise so now I wanted to up my game but without using real rifles.
"without buying the real hunting rifle."
I enjoy these guns more than real ones tbh they're more fun
Fantastic video
i agree the pump type on most points but underpowered?
What are your thoughts on Nitro Piston air rifles?
I was going to ask the very same thing. I was wondering if the vibration is the same as with a actual spring. Also, does this chambered gas have to be refilled over time?
Great question, op.
@@MichaelOnRockyTop I think they do not have as much vibration, as there is an air piston instead of a metal coil spring, and the air is lighter.
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The piston chamber gas should never need replacing. In theory.
Be a prepper i suggest spring and pump
So Matt, I should ask you, ( along with what Craig has just said...) would an underlever springer similar to the Weihrauch HW97, be a better option. I mean as far as there is no chance for barrel misalignment ?
Also you didn't mention the Nitro Piston rifles, or do they respond as the normal 'springers' do ?
+Reg Sparkes Underlever is better in my opinion. I had break barrels for years and had countless issues. Nitro Piston guns will respond a little differently but there aren't that many "good" nitro piston guns out there
nice video...im trying to make my own...need to study first
hi, does the stoeger atac s2 have the problem of becomeing unacurat because its a spring gun . And what do you think about the stoeger atac s2 is it a good gun to buy
i have a daisy 800 powerline
it killed a skunk about 50 yards away
it also can shoot through a filled tin can and have enough power to put a hole in another one behind it
my dad has a blackhawk spring pellet gun that can shit 1500 FPS but it shoots through about 4 full cans and put a dent in the 5th one
+willam endler (willendler1993) I'd generally stay far away from anything shoting faster than 950 fps. If the pellet shoots any faster than Mach 0.8, then as a general rule it will destabilize. If you're jist plinking that's a different story, but for precision shooting slower can often be better
we use it for bird hunting and small game plus some plinking every now and again
i think it was clocked at 1200 FPS with a red tip pellet
my daisy only gets used with .177 cal bb's since it's kinda hard to get pellets in it with the scope thats on it
i think it was clocked at 750 FPS with a pellet but i'm not sure since it was over a year ago
i also want some pcp airgun but now i ony have co 2 spa cp2 and its okay for plinking
my good man I beg to differ the springer is the truest form of shooting you have to manage recoil which in term makes you a better shooter and in all honesty is more consistent than any PCP you just have to shoot the right springer the pcp is a waist of time and the springer will give you more accurate shots then any PCP get a service tune on your tx200 mark3 and kill at will
+kenny cadarett Springers have their place, but they will never outperform PCPs. Why do you think there is a seperate class for springers and PCPs in every form of competition shooting? Let's take the Extreme Benchrest for example. You need at least 50 foot pounds to even dream of placing in the top 10 at 100 yards on a windy day. Have you ever seen a springer that can shoot 50 foot pounds and still be accurate? No. Don't compare apples and oranges.
you might have a point but like I said It's knowing your rifle why do you think we all prefer a mildot reticle you just to compensate for the wind you don't need all the power you just need to understand how you rifle performs with you shooting it once you have had lead down range then you truly understand the rifle like ted in ted's hold over he wanted the $$$$ so he sent lead down range to get the $$$$ correct he held up a check for $5,000 because he sent lead down range to understand how he reacted with his rifle so it's not how much power it's how much you have shot the rifle ask a sniper
kenny cadarett a
you beg to say something different what say what's on your mind
kenny cadarett springers suck
hai I am looking for a good scope for my spring airrifle. Like the one u show. any suggestions?
I have an old airgun that reloads like the pcp but doesnt require anything else than just the pellets.
hi , i just want to ask you wich air rifle sould i take the gamo cfx or the stoeger atac s2, it is the only two i could buy wich sould i choos
I always watch your channel and like it a lot. I don't usually comment but I disagree with your comments on spring piston air rifles. I shoot all kinds of guns from air to bullets to shotgun. I've got f.a.c.. air rifles and sub 12ft lbs PCP and sprinters and I can honestly say I can do the same with my HW97k and TX200HC as I can with PCP they are both tuned of course. A top end spring piston wants some beating. If Some people was to find fault with spring piston I would have thought it would be the weight although it doesn't bother me it helps in my opinion. Just my thoughts for what it's worth. Lastly if people learned to shoot a springer instead of going straight to PCP (a dead.soulless gun) they would find more satisfaction in there shooting achievements and make a more rounded shooter would you not agree?
I have 2 springers tx200 and a hw99, both highly tuned and I have beaten top end PCP in hft with both.. I would say I have one of the best tuned .22 hw99 in the UK, its just like a PCP but better as its a springer.
+lns41 Things are very different in the UK... Here in South Africa where we aren't limited to 12 ft.lbs, springers would NEVER be able to compete with PCPs because high power springers are a nightmare to shoot. So people stick with 10-15 ft.lb springers, and when you put a 15 ft.lb springer against a 30 ft.lb PCP the PCP will come out tops every time. When I visited the UK last year I realised that we live in totally different worlds
+AirArmsHuntingSA yes then I would say PCP lol, but in sub 12 springers can challenge pcps here in UK. only springer I think could possibly do well in FAC format is a tx200 sr as it is recoilless.
+AirArmsHuntingSA yes but leaning to shoot well with a springer makes you a wicked shot with a pcp
+Gary Billington well semi lol.
Whats that program he uses?
Great video
What about IGT system?
What is a good accurate/powerful PCP airgun that is relatively cheap?
Get yourself a Benjamin Discovery, it can come with a pump, and scope for under 500 dollars :)
Quick question anyone can answer I don't mind but do you reckon a medium range springer would be capable of taking out small pests like pigeons or small rodents?
Anything with 1200 fps will get the job done.
ok but will the stoeger kill rabits and pegons
very nice video make more
what is the price of the weihrauch in Rands
and the price of the aa airgun and the tx200
hi matt ive got a bit of a problem i was at my club last week the last target on the range was only 8 yards now ive got my scope scoped in at 30 yards . so using strelok it worked out 3 mil under compensation but could i hit it well no. Before you think can this guy hit anything im uss to hitting targets the size of 50p at 65 yards are yu able to advise
if it was at an incline . u would need to adjust this too
Hey man where can I pick up PcP air rifle
I have all till today :)
Regards !
my hopes are to get a CO2 Crosman and to take it modify it drill a hole into the CO2 cylinder and have a CO2 compressed tank placed into it of course it's not going to be able to handle extreme pressures but it should be able to handle a lot more pressure than it had before and last a lot longer for being very cheap do you recommend anything that could be done like this or do you really recommend anything I could use for instance I've seen somebody use a solenoid switch that allows you to push it and it opens up a homemade chamber that compressed air goes into and the solenoid or the switch is pressed and allows the air to go into the barrel that's almost like I would want to do I've seen somebody use a fire extinguisher for a homemade gun but that is not my style
what brand of spring gun would you recommend for a beginner
Personally my very first springer was a Perfecta MOD 31 ( rebranded by Umarex in EU I believe ). Really cheap gun, since it's all Chinese made you may need to work on the stock a little, sights are a bit crap so a red dot ( a cheap one, even with some parallax, will be ok if you're not shooting from quite far away ) could be useful but not obligatory etc ... Accuracy is OK, I've fired several thousands rounds without problems, I used it for plinking and had a lot of fun. I just bought a way better spring loaded gun for accuracy shooting and some pest control, Weirauch HW77, amazing rifle. I have no word to describe how much the quality of the adjustable trigger, the finish and accuracy are better than the chinese products but still ... A cheap one helped me choosing a better gun after a few years of use. Also, even it's not a top quality gun, you will train your shooting stance, breath, concentration ... Money won't buy you that ! Sorry for my English.
Thanks. I use to have Hatsan mod 33 (first springer gun, though still around beginner level) sadly though it broke. Been looking to get something simple in either Spring or Nitro piston for a rifle.
+Woods Lore I have a cometa falcon, old but gold the power in the thing is insane, if your looking for all round greatness though the best springers in the world are made by weihrauch, mainly the hw series
I definitely don’t feel like you gave Co2 a fair shake. There’s sub 200$ co2 guns that outshoot 1000$ pcps. The qb78 for example the xs60c the Umarex fusion, cr600w the b16a1 in the co2 version. All can lay half inch groups at 50 yards on co2 And can be converted to pcp with nothing more then a fill cap and regulator.
If you run it off a small hpa bottle you can get a huge shot string just like with co2. No co2 isn’t viable for hunting at 100 yards due to lack of energy co2 has in 22 but I regularly take rabbits and squirrels at 50 yards with a sub 500 FPS .22 qb78 and they drop instantly with either head or Vital shots. It’s tuned around jsb heavies.
To scale it’s like taking a steel shot glass to the head or heart at 500fos there’s no survival.
Co2 in .25 and bigger calibers has proven to be amazing at 100 yards aswell. The bigger bore and heavy pellets actually give the co2 a better chance to expand and turn into a gas more efficiently. My friend has an mrod that he ran on c02 and it still broke 800fps with a 26grain pellet.
What about diana 350 ?