Helicopter Armbar OR Helicopter Triangle? (A Gracie Debate)

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  • čas přidán 25. 11. 2019
  • Ryron is on Team Helicopter Armbar, and Rener is Team Helicopter Triangle for life. Leave a comment with your helicopter submission selection!
    Watch until the end to see Ryron and Rener "demonstrate" the new Gracie Gear that just hit the shelves for the holidays available now at www.GracieLifestyle.com
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Komentáře • 360

  • @GracieBreakdown
    @GracieBreakdown  Před 4 lety +552

    Thumbs up if you want more debate videos.

  • @MikeMikeYT
    @MikeMikeYT Před 4 lety +446

    Rener: "We don't agree on a lot of things."
    Ryron: "That's not true."

  • @devitomichael
    @devitomichael Před 4 lety +130

    I’m team helicopter into another helicopter - I get my opponent spinning so fast that he passes out from centrifugal force -

    • @dogman5791
      @dogman5791 Před 4 lety +7

      I'm more into helicopter Into reverse helicopter. I make my opponent spin me then I slam into his face with my forehead

    • @delmarsimpson25
      @delmarsimpson25 Před 10 měsíci

      ​@@dogman5791the helicopter crash

    • @delmarsimpson25
      @delmarsimpson25 Před 10 měsíci

      Or just flies away from the helicopter motion

  • @TheArtofGuitar
    @TheArtofGuitar Před 4 lety +41

    Helicopter Upkick for the win! ;)

  • @mattg3537
    @mattg3537 Před 4 lety +60

    I choose unconscious opponent over an opponent with broken bones

    • @prandz420
      @prandz420 Před 4 lety +8

      Matt G armbar can be much easier to get against big opponents sometimes too though. And it’s less fatiguing if you go for it and fail. Desperately trying for a triangle and failing will leave you completely gassed and defenceless

    • @mattg3537
      @mattg3537 Před 4 lety +2

      prandz420 I don’t know this really is a tough debate... I mean a helicopter sub is already just risky overall so like Rener said just getting the opponent up in the air is the toughest part, so I think once the opponent is in the air it’s a 50/50 either way you’ve got a successful sub unless the opponent has good enough instincts to stop either submission by standing for arm bar or getting the arm in like Ryron showed.
      So I just say go with the choke over the arm bar because it’s the more threatening. And honestly in a street scenario i’m going arm bar over triangle all day since it’s so much easier to release while a triangle is just asking to be slammed Matt Hughes Vs. Carlos Newton style

    • @sory4beinanonymous
      @sory4beinanonymous Před 2 lety

      Choke them out, then break their arm. That’s what coach teaches us always

  • @cunn1n6ham
    @cunn1n6ham Před 4 lety +64

    Hahaha Ryron doesn’t agree with Rener about not agreeing 🤣love it...fun vid.
    Helicopter triangle 🔥

  • @jamesmackinnon8247
    @jamesmackinnon8247 Před 4 lety +15

    4:18 "like a baby orangutan grabbing it's mother" this is why I come here.... Classic.

  • @disgruntledwookie369
    @disgruntledwookie369 Před 4 lety +14

    That was hilarious when Ryron forced himself into the armbar :'D "armbar!", "nooo!", "armbar!! look"

  • @mattmcdonald8348
    @mattmcdonald8348 Před 4 lety +21

    When Ryron forced himself into the arm bar 😂😂😂😂

  • @yjstevechoi
    @yjstevechoi Před 4 lety +27

    Stop at Chicago or direct flight?
    Hahaha, anyone else feel me?😏👍🏼
    Love these guys👊🏼

    • @RoniRonkoKovatch
      @RoniRonkoKovatch Před 4 lety +6

      Only the dedicated fans/subscribers will know the reference to "stop in chicago" :-D

    • @RoniRonkoKovatch
      @RoniRonkoKovatch Před 4 lety +1

      @@IronChad_
      czcams.com/video/DtpgC2g6LiE/video.html

  • @ryanwolf1869
    @ryanwolf1869 Před 4 lety +90

    helicopter triangle all the way!

    • @Dude-tv6cj
      @Dude-tv6cj Před 4 lety

      If you going for the triangle, what’s to stop the top guy from simply pulling his left arm back and stopping the whole move?

    • @teabone5723
      @teabone5723 Před 4 lety

      For sure bro 💯

  • @BlueSamosa
    @BlueSamosa Před 4 lety +14

    3:09 “calm down” 😂😂😂

  • @bobbydobalina
    @bobbydobalina Před 4 lety +34

    Helicopter Arm•bar or Helicopter Triangle....?
    Answer: Yes

  • @duncansutherland47
    @duncansutherland47 Před 4 lety +28

    These two are why I fell in love with Jiu-Jitsu, thank you! 🙏❤️

  • @4bidn.Knwldg
    @4bidn.Knwldg Před 4 lety +3

    The passion you guys have is so beautiful 💯

  • @emdauph6270
    @emdauph6270 Před 4 lety +3

    "We don't agree on a lot of things but we work em out"
    "That's not true"

  • @katanaburner
    @katanaburner Před 4 lety +2

    I love these guys!!! Making Jiu-Jitsu fun since...forever!

  • @robbiedelarionda
    @robbiedelarionda Před 4 lety +4

    love both, but the armbar i did to a tough brownbelt training partner of mine whos like 50 pounds heavier and in the process my body-side foot got stuck in the gi and nearly broke as i spun him into the lock...
    After that i started doing the triangle more and its been clutch in competition!
    great vid thanks!

  • @seabass6139
    @seabass6139 Před 4 lety +13

    They remind me of two baby lions play-fighting

  • @nikander82
    @nikander82 Před 4 lety +1

    So much fun learning from this two😍

  • @gomcse
    @gomcse Před 4 lety +2

    Do more of these! Great video.

  • @seamac7564
    @seamac7564 Před 4 lety +1

    Old Blue belt here. Love, love, love these videos; your enthusiasm is contagious now I just want to roll.

  • @Xentrick
    @Xentrick Před 4 lety +1

    You guys have so much fun!

  • @Kre8or333
    @Kre8or333 Před 4 lety +1

    You guys are hilarious. The energy with you two is awesome.
    -- The answer is like Yin and Yang, it's both...

  • @theone4572
    @theone4572 Před 4 lety

    Love it! Brothers dynamics is contagious!

  • @user-do8xf6bc8d
    @user-do8xf6bc8d Před rokem

    “I only talk about street fights”🤣🤣 luv it

  • @Anonymous-ym6jq
    @Anonymous-ym6jq Před 3 lety +1

    This is the most fantastic videos. I love the knowledge, and the brother dynamic reminds me of my own brothers. Keep up the amazing vids, mad respect for you both and of course the Gracie family!

  • @chrisblanchard4938
    @chrisblanchard4938 Před 3 lety +1

    That was great. I liked the Triangle arm bar.

  • @brandonmcninja
    @brandonmcninja Před 4 lety +4

    Love it, fun one to practice on your kids 😂

  • @pacibaco
    @pacibaco Před 4 lety +1

    Hilarious banter ... but a hellofalotta great information as well ! Super stoked you two are out there giving as this great information!

  • @nosaj666
    @nosaj666 Před 4 lety

    Could you imagine what a family cookout was like? Kids a family rolling all over the place

  • @ariAMG
    @ariAMG Před 4 lety +1

    Damn guys you must make more videos,, you give us good vibes

  • @j.b.708
    @j.b.708 Před 3 lety

    i still remember the first time i saw a helicopter armbar, i still consider it the prettiest move in JJ.

  • @capitanjack2320
    @capitanjack2320 Před 4 lety +7

    The only advertisment i like to watch because of the little jokes, si funny xd

  • @YoxfordBoy
    @YoxfordBoy Před 4 lety

    BEAUTIFUL TECHNIQUE as always

  • @jitsu30
    @jitsu30 Před 4 lety +3

    “I use you as a swiiiingset...”
    Now there are 51 Shades Of Gray! You guys are the best!!

  • @MrAjpalkow
    @MrAjpalkow Před 4 lety +1

    You guys are amazing 🤘

  • @jorgeherrera1074
    @jorgeherrera1074 Před 4 lety

    I love this style of video!!

  • @Butterflylo328
    @Butterflylo328 Před 3 lety +1

    Awesome and fun to watch 👍

  • @papersamurai
    @papersamurai Před 4 lety +1

    Helicopter sweep, position before submission 😎

  • @love2fight205
    @love2fight205 Před 4 lety

    Helicopter Triangle squad for life!
    I wish I could train with you guys

  • @JDG.RealEstate
    @JDG.RealEstate Před 4 lety

    I really love this interaction

  • @LuisGonzalez-ph8zp
    @LuisGonzalez-ph8zp Před rokem

    Great breakdown love it thank you guys

  • @aydennation8892
    @aydennation8892 Před 4 lety +1

    Both options are valid and have different applications. Triangle: heavier opponents because it requires less finesse; Arm Bar: more inexperienced or lighter opponents because its unexpected.

  • @alexcampack
    @alexcampack Před 4 lety

    Awesome you guys! Parabéns!!

  • @kevintuliper6438
    @kevintuliper6438 Před 3 lety

    I love you guys great 2 learn more from u both. Gratefull 4 life!!

  • @YoxfordBoy
    @YoxfordBoy Před 4 lety

    Awesome as always guys

  • @1sunstyle
    @1sunstyle Před 4 lety

    I like the armbar because my intro was Pedro Sauer Path To Black Belt and he always liked to say "and into the armbar." Many people feel that is one of the most effective joint locks. Love, Mike.

  • @LyubomirDimitrovSilverbackbg

    I literally watched this episode like 5-6 times already :)

  • @samwalker3441
    @samwalker3441 Před 4 lety

    You guys are so awesome. I have no idea which one. Either one would kick my butt.

  • @keithminnich4017
    @keithminnich4017 Před 4 lety +1

    How absolutely cool would it be to have Ryron or Rener as your very own private/personal BJJ coach/mestre? Mannnnn that would be glorious haha. One can dream! Love both of these guys.

    • @surfersoldierforchrist5928
      @surfersoldierforchrist5928 Před 4 lety +1

      U can ! Join Gracy university in Torrance both brothers teach all levels of classes its amazing!

  • @corymoore8562
    @corymoore8562 Před 2 lety

    Haha, the debate mid drill is always hilarious and awesome.

  • @Cert116
    @Cert116 Před 4 lety +22

    My legs are too short to catch most people in triangle effectively, so I'm Team Armbar all the way.

    • @GKang93
      @GKang93 Před 4 lety +7

      I suggest you watch John Danahers video on the triangle. You just need more angle than someone with long legs

    • @Cert116
      @Cert116 Před 4 lety +1

      @@GKang93 Thanks for the tip! Great video with lots of useful information.

  • @apollohmiv42
    @apollohmiv42 Před 3 lety +1

    Life and jiu jitsu are like surfing. You can plan on what you want to do. But you have to wait and see what the wave is going to do in order to flow & surf the wave. So be ready and learn to flow.

  • @Khalil-Ibrahim21
    @Khalil-Ibrahim21 Před 4 lety

    You guys are awesome ❤️

  • @dpawsum4120
    @dpawsum4120 Před 4 lety

    Love these guys

  • @Garronrom828
    @Garronrom828 Před 4 lety

    I freaking love you guys

  • @fabiocaetanofigueiredo1353

    Great video, thanks!!!

  • @doodreally
    @doodreally Před 2 lety

    Up kick 3 times to triangle. I also love doing standing arm bar and a standing guillotine!!!! 4 years down and I cannot stop training! Can’t wait to get my two boys in there 🤙🏽

  • @jessemunerz3070
    @jessemunerz3070 Před 3 lety

    I like both of them cause armbar and choke are very successful you guys are awesome!!!!

  • @07Stylist
    @07Stylist Před 4 lety

    I love these guys

  • @MiniDonut69
    @MiniDonut69 Před 4 lety

    This was such a fun video

  • @lndn787
    @lndn787 Před 3 lety +1

    so bascically this is video should be titled "we were arguing on which helicopter submission someone be the judge of this"

  • @AmericanMMA1776
    @AmericanMMA1776 Před 7 měsíci

    "I only talk about street fights" -Rener Gracie while wearing a GI 😂 (I mean I don't see everybody on the street wearing bath robes and baggy pants)

  • @alexgarza2759
    @alexgarza2759 Před 4 lety +2

    Armbar for life

  • @josholdham1033
    @josholdham1033 Před 4 lety

    Such great videos

  • @gifts4everyseason
    @gifts4everyseason Před 4 lety

    These guys have me wanting to buy every shirt and hoodie

  • @patricktully1874
    @patricktully1874 Před 2 lety

    You guys are the best

  • @roberttompkins9991
    @roberttompkins9991 Před 4 lety

    The nIce thing about BJJ is that for every nice move there is a nice counter and a counter to that.

  • @paintdrops
    @paintdrops Před 4 lety

    you are great; thanks guys

  • @lizaalsantiago8962
    @lizaalsantiago8962 Před 4 lety

    Nice gear guys!!
    👍🏼✊🏼😉😃

  • @sory4beinanonymous
    @sory4beinanonymous Před 2 lety

    This was an awesome technique video

  • @towelietowel4513
    @towelietowel4513 Před 2 lety

    2:27 Rener only talks about street fights then demonstrates the importance of grips on a gi lmaooo

  • @darrenstettner1332
    @darrenstettner1332 Před 4 lety

    Love the debate style teaching method. The material sticks better.

  • @Tommybgoode
    @Tommybgoode Před 4 lety +2

    This was a great video! I’m team arm bar all the way.

  • @richardturner1579
    @richardturner1579 Před 4 lety

    Without doubt the triangle choke for the reasons Rener stated. Under adrenaline or drugs a broken arm isn’t necessarily going to stop someone in a fight. However you can’t fight if you are unconscious.

  • @JeanMichelAbrassart
    @JeanMichelAbrassart Před 4 lety

    Fun vid! Loved it.

  • @christianmcnally4323
    @christianmcnally4323 Před 4 lety +1

    This is hilarious and amazing

  • @jojotorres20
    @jojotorres20 Před 4 lety

    Helicopter arm bar for life plus looks more fancy 👌😎

  • @Lixgrib
    @Lixgrib Před 4 lety

    Gotta go with the armbar just because the spin looks so dope ;-)

  • @mrspartan671
    @mrspartan671 Před 4 lety

    You two are hilarious lol and the arm bar is style points

  • @robertsunday8445
    @robertsunday8445 Před 2 lety

    They make those look so easy

  • @canunotg
    @canunotg Před 4 lety

    Hahaha this was so good. This reminds me of the triangle from the mount debate you two had years ago. Don’t stop in Chicago
    I’m team Helicopter arm bar

  • @superdad6122
    @superdad6122 Před 4 lety

    Love this

  • @abberantgeck0
    @abberantgeck0 Před 4 lety

    That was super entertaining... Gonna go with....ahhhhh... Can't decide.

  • @colstonbrandon8516
    @colstonbrandon8516 Před 4 lety

    Let’s get these guys to 1million before 2020

  • @meekrodriguez6438
    @meekrodriguez6438 Před 4 lety

    Awesome videos

  • @973reggie
    @973reggie Před 4 lety +15

    This video wasn’t for us, clearly.

  • @turmat01
    @turmat01 Před 4 lety

    I'm on team Ryron on that one! I absolutely do NOT have the credentials to have a valid opinion on this, but I pulled a beautiful helicopter armbar once, and it felt like a million bucks. XD

  • @giuseppegallocorvus
    @giuseppegallocorvus Před 4 lety

    You are amazing guys! I opened the video for jujitsu, loved it for the style and the lines! ...oh, by the way, flying triangle every day🤣
    Worst thing that can happen there is that your rolling buddy gets kicked in the face, with a flying armbar anything coud go wrong when you don't master it yet.
    On the street, might be better to have the guy unconscious (safer from the legal point of view too), in a competition people don't tap anymore if they don't risk to get injured... beside that everybody expects a flying armbar when they get lifted from the hips 🤣

  • @derrick3170
    @derrick3170 Před 4 lety

    I love both 👍👍👍👍

  • @stuff485
    @stuff485 Před 4 lety +1

    wicked stuff but one question what if your a ridiculously short person trying to pull that off?

  • @spankymcbutterpants4355
    @spankymcbutterpants4355 Před 4 lety +3

    Uh, this needs to be in my Combatives program! 😂😂😂

  • @itstime2112
    @itstime2112 Před 4 lety +3

    Love the Video! By the way can you do more sparring videos!

  • @caiqueloyollahongkong8645

    Good one guys

  • @h-bomb-h2655
    @h-bomb-h2655 Před 4 lety

    Best CZcamsr

  • @MrSativacyborg
    @MrSativacyborg Před 4 lety

    You guys are rad! Ive always liked triangles better. I feel like I have more control

  • @michaelandpenelopemccollum6416

    Armbar FTW! Helicopter Triangle puts the attacker's head close enough to one's lower abs that the attacker could potentially bite that area.

  • @fatgirlboy9341
    @fatgirlboy9341 Před 4 lety +6

    I always worry kneeing the guy’s face with triangle

  • @jcerby03
    @jcerby03 Před 4 lety

    Been syncing the helicopter triangle. My body just naturally did that one. Everytime I tell myself that I'm going to try the helicopter arm bar my mind tells me "ok let's do it" but my legs and my body says "HELICOPTER TRIANGLE FOR LIFE HOMIE!!!!!"