Setting Up My System Tuning Rig From Scratch In The Field
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- čas přidán 2. 07. 2024
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Want to see my personal rig set up from scratch on a real system in real time?
I go from a closed Pelican to ready to tune a system in ~10 minutes, walking you through every step of the way what I'm doing and thinking about.
We cover:
- How I color code my gear to make setup faster and do less troubleshooting
- Why it's critical to verify your mics before tuning
- My favorite feature on the EVO 8
00:00 - Intro & Equipment
03:05 - Connecting Interface, Mics, and Console
09:17 - Mic Verify in Smaart
13:13 - Recap - Hudba
love this! excited for this series!
Always informative- thank you Michael!
Thanks Michael for sharing!
Always enjoy your videos. It was awesome getting to work with you, and learn few things too.
You're very welcome, Casey!
Amazing work as always Michael! I have suggested your course to a couple of friends, I think that they will love it!
I think at some point I will do it as well, to get another point of view and maybe learn something new.
Be able to to see how others approch this, it's always amazing.
Thank you so much!
Dude! This is AMAZING!
Please make second part.mic placement how to tune.time alinement.eq
It's coming!
Yessssss we need this video
Have you dropped it yet?
@@MichaelCurtisAudio I see that your coherence is set 0% or close to. How you deal with non "perfect" data?
I am a Nigerian and I have been really looking for how to learn about tuning a room.
Your channel pops up in my feed and I have been stuck on it 😃
Already saving up money to purchase our course.
Because I don't understand a lot of things yet.
Hope when I purchase the course😊, I will understand 😉
Thanks for learning!
really love these breakdowns
Thank you!
Good stuff!
Now everybody wants to know mic placement, and more importantly, what to do if things aren't right.
It's coming, don't worry!
Could you kindly make a video expalining how to use the EVO8 with SMAART? Specifically how to route all signals inside the EVO software, including the loopback feature. I have the EVO8 but can't use it for SMAART due to some type of user error regarding signal flow. Thanks! Love the videos!
If you look at the video he did about getting a system for a small concert, DJ, or mobile church service, he covers it in a bit there. A good start anyway!
Is there a part 2 to this great video? Thanks
Really a good content
Love your videos! Question, do you have to calibrate your RTA every time you open smaart? Maybe you could do a video showing how you setup smaart rig and calibrate everything.
Great info!
Thanks!
Great video, really helpful. I was overthinking the colour coding for the mics. Was trying to find tape in a sequence of the resistor colour code, but GOPY works!
One thing I didn’t hear you mention is to do the channel setup on the mixer before plugging in the OSC connection. At least check the phantom power is off. Not sure how tolerant the EVO8 is of phantom into its outputs.
That's a great point about phantom power! I'm almost positive the EVO 8 outputs have DC blocking, but not all interfaces do.
We are basically using this same setup for spl monitoring on Sunday mornings. How would you calibrate the gain on the mic so that is correct? We do have a mic calibrator but it always seems to be way Hotter than actual sound levels.
Thank you for all your hard work. Loving all these videos!
good one...
Hey! Is there a reason, why you're not using the build in signal generator of the CL3? Loved the video!
Hi Michael! Great and helpful video like always!
Question; how do you send signal from your console back to smaart? Because you’re sending the pink noise to a channel in the console right? and need to send that noise back to smaart for reference right? How do you do it? Through a matrix? An aux? I,ve seen some videos where they loop back just in the audio interface and some others do the loop back for reference from the console! I hope you can guide me on this! Thank you!
hi. please tell us more about setting up the reference signal. I have the same audio interface. thanks
Hi man,i've always enjoyed your videos,and your audio calculators are a really great help..just curious,what are the lenghts of your mic cables?
Thanks, Gomer! They're 100ft cables. I also carry four 25ft extensions.
Nice video Michael! Waiting for a next lesson.
In the second section you said that EQ is the last part of the process. But we should tune speakers timbre (EQ it) first, then align it, cause EQ-ing means (little but still) phase shift. Does it make sense?
Yes, that makes sense. You're right that EQ for each subsystem precedes alignment, but I almost always add some broad tonal shaping EQ to the rig once I'm hearing all PA elements at once.
This information is so helpful!
Question, do you recommend using something like Waves “Tract”? And if so, would you be willing to do a tutorial on it?
You're very welcome! I personally haven't used Waves TRACT yet, but am hoping to get a copy and try it out soon. The EQ within the plugin itself in and of itself is just fine, but the most common error when using the TRACT plugin is folks not carefully WHERE to put the mic for measurement data, as well as having a systematic workflow to work through different speaker zones.
@@MichaelCurtisAudio I appreciate the response!!!
Hi, when doing the target trace for multiple matrix line, do you do each matrix line at a time? For example, my left and right running matrix 1&2, my mid fill running matrix3, if i do trace target for my left and right, then when i turn on my mid fill the trace target for L&R will be affected. Do you suggest to turn mid fill on while doing trace target for my L&R? If i turn mid fill on when doing trace target for L&R then when doing trace target for mid fill it will affect my previous setting for the L&R right. Can you please suggest what can i do for this case. Thanks in advance.
Hi Audio University, I have a question. Most of the time in live sound applications, the speakers sound distorted when the full band is playing. (Keys aren't hearable, bass sounds muddy, drums isn't clear) Do you know what causes this? When I test them alone it's fine and it sounds good. I also checked the amplifier and it's not clipping at all. My gain level on the digital mixer is always -18dbfs.
Is also possible to use The DBX driverRack PA2 and get the same result ?
Hey Michael, great series of videos, I currently have the same setup as you, except with TM1 mics. Smaart works as it should on PC, however on my 2020 Mac Air, I can’t get any input to Smaart, RTA doesn’t show anything on any input. EVO mixer shows that my routing is correct. What am I missing, care to share your settings? Thanks
Hey, Douglas. I've had the same issue with my EVO 8 rig with my 2020 MacBook Air as well. I usually end up having to unplug the interface, restart MacBook, log in, then reconnect the EVO 8, start up the EVO 8 Mixer software, THEN launch Smaart, all in that order. Give that a try.
@@MichaelCurtisAudio mine was permission related to microphone for Smaart in privacy, Rational got me straight, now if I could get the iSEMcon mics, there’s no ETA per Rational Acoustics
hey quick question... I've seen your videos and i've tried to follow your instructions to tune a PA. I use a UA Arrow and i usually cant get the same results you get, should i buy a focusrite?
Hey, Gabriel. You should be able to get great results with the UA Arrow. Have you measured a speaker in the near field and gone through each part of your signal chain just to make sure you're getting accurate data?
@@MichaelCurtisAudio hey i see you usually answer to most of your comments thanks🙏 and yes i usually get as far as calibrating the mic and after that i can't get the right readings but i will try again and see if i can troubleshoot.
Not sure why I’m having trouble understanding the reason to loop back the reference noise… what am I missing by thinking you can just turn on pink noise and do your measurements? Where does the reference loop come into play? Thanks!
The way I understand it is that if smaart don’t have a reference signal, in this case the loop back, how is going to know the difference between a good flat frequency response and the frequency response coming fro your sound system? (Which for sure won’t be flat) the loop back is to tell smaart: here! This is pink noise, it has a flat frequency response (the goal), I want you to compare this signal with mine (the mic capturing the pink noise coming from your sound system) and show me the difference between the two, so I can try to match them through EQ… like I said, in the end the goal is a flat frequency as possible (or target curve of your choice) according to the room.
I hope this help, and I hope you don’t mind me commenting… I was just going through the comments sections looking for answers too!
When you mesure your system PA Did you dou it with your mic on axe 0° or more like out axe 30° ?
I always start with the microphone directly ONAX with Main L or R (assuming it's a left/right setup).
Hey Michael yre you using Waves Tract and if yes is it possible you dio a short rundown, videos about that are really rare and all of them show actually nothing
That's a good thought. I'll see if I can use it on an upcoming gig.
Can’t tell you how frustrating it is to get my rig setup while handling FOH setup, stage patch, wireless coordination, etc in the couple hours before rehearsal downbeat. Currently working on a way to make it way more efficient
Yes, it's tough getting everything show ready in a hurry.
Hi! You mentioned wireless, would it be a bad idea to use a wireless system for reference mics?
As long as the system is LTI - linear and time invariant. Even nice stuff like Shure Axient has some amount of variance in the timing of how the signal is transmitted, so isn't suitable for tuning (although it's plenty great for wireless vocals and such). I'd like into the Lectrosonics TM400.
was hoping this would include mic positioning
It's to come, don't worry.
@@MichaelCurtisAudio nice, looking forward to it
Hello. Can you guide me through a quick shortcut to hide all information at time 9:25 in the video? I thank you
On a Mac it's (Shift + Command + H)
@@MichaelCurtisAudio thank you 🫶🏻
What a cliffhanger!
More to come!
Thing are going down if the Pelican aint open at the beginning. 😀
You know it : )
Where are you? is it your church?
At Grace Point Church. It's not my home church, but I have several friends that their either work or attend Grace Point.