325hp APR/JB1 Stacked 2014 Gen3 GLI makes Great power vs a Tuned JB4 MK7 Golf R.
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- The gen3 TSI Volkswagen Jetta GLI starting in 2013.5 has been a somewhat of a let down to the unsuspecting owners that thought it was the same as a New MQB GTI. Well just a few weeks after blowing my stock turbo, my custom hybrid turbo project had arrived. With the addition of methanol injection, JB1 tuner to log, adjust boost/ fuel, and control the water meth system... this GLI has found an extra 60 horsepower over a Full bolt on APR Stage 2 setup (269whp) Putting it right there with the rest of the Gen3 TSIs. I hope you guys enjoy the video, there will be plenty more throughout the year. The car is still missing minor better bolt ons, but it's made a great breakthrough nonetheless.
Basics specs are;
2014 GLI DSG. Hybrid Honeywell Garret MGT1752s Turbo with a billet 48/60 compressor wheel. APR Stage 2 Software stacked with JB1 & BMS Watermeth injection. 255/40r17 Bridgestone Potenza re71r.
2015 Golf R. Custom MAP6 JB4, 3in intake, 3in downpipe, Manual Transmission.
Both cars are Tuned By Joshua Colo Tuning of CTmotorsports.
The Dyno and the races were done on the same night. Still getting use to the new GLI Power, it's a completely different animal. Dig races are on the agenda for next time. Thank you for watching.
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Awesome! Always happy to see a Gen 3 breaking some hearts!
BCH37501 its a Gen 1, the Gen 3 doesn’t have any turbo upgrades unfortunately. Gen 1 is the best EA888 out there
no this is a gen3 with a custom turbo my dude
Love it bro...quick 40-100 for sure....love the car and build my dude
Ta buena esa carrera ese carrito esta duro duro felicidades mucho cuidadito en la calle con esa maquina, Dios lo cuide👍🏻.
new to the vw community, i got a mk6 1.8tsi , looking to do a tune. but all i have is the cts intake. any suggestions on what tune i should get? great sounding jetta !
Dayumm putting in work
thnks man. im deff gonna do it then. I love vws they look sick and have good engines. I've never upgrades a car before but this should b intresting
love your build bro gonna give me a lot of ideas when I get mines I'm in FL Also... hope to maybe run with you one day...
Theodore Robinson I travel all over FL, you could certainly get to see & run the car 👍
Damn your car is movin man!
The sound ❤😍
Interesting setup. Just bought a 19 GLI. At most I'll end up just doing a turbo back exhaust, intake, tune. Seems like it would likely make similar power to this setup. I went with the six speed manual though.
MeltingRubberZ28 Yes, A new GLI will make around 320-340hp with the proper bolts ons. I currently have an IS20 turbo on this GLI. Went as fast as 11.92 at 114mph. Manual was a mistake in my eyes. You’re going to have to look into a clutch replacement once you’re tuned.
@@PrzFinest21x I knew going into the purchase that with a stick it would need a clutch if I tune it. As of right now I'll likely just do an intake an cat back. If/when the clutch slips I'll put a heavier one in and then do the downpipe and tune. I'm really not looking to race the car as those days are over for me (had a heads/cam LS1 Camaro for that) so I'm ok with a simple setup. I enjoy driving stick and really just wanted a car that had plenty of power to pass people on the highway which it already does that well.
I enjoy your channel though, looks like you're doing a solid build.
MeltingRubberZ28 Yea they’re very capable cruisers. I love the GLI. Even tho I have plans of getting more capable cars. The GLI build will continue
@@MeltingRubberZ28 Only a LS1 with heads and cam is maybe 500 whp on pump gas but in a 3500+ lbs car. Tuner cars are much more fun because people don't expect you to be fast, so when you are it's a much bigger surprise and more impressive.
Shit dude this thing must fuckin walk all over cars on the street! Haha
FF Animal sadly I haven't gotten next to any cars on the street minus the day of this video. It's damn fast on the track tho. Projected to run about a 12.2@110 this Sunday at the quartermile. Subscribe. I'll be posting footage as I race the car more
that's awesome!
that was awesome!
Nice build man I’m jealous..lol! I have a Gen 3 GLI & recently went APR Stage 2. I’m on the fence about going the IS38/IS20 route simply because of cost & time. This hybrid setup you have here sounds like it will be more budget friendly. What’s the exact compressor wheel you used & where can I get one?
DEVIL theGOAT yes, the ISturbo swap is quiet a bit, but I think it’s worth it. This hybrid setup was great for the $$$. It’s a 9blade 44.5/60mm billet compressor sources by my friend Joshua Quinones from Colo Motorsports in Puerto Rico. Another option is emailing GPop shop in Arkansas and asking for the options on an MGT1752s
PrzFinest21x thanks for the quick reply! Oh no doubt I know it would be worth it! You’re living proof & an inspiration! I look forward to more vids! Thanks again.
just buy a ford focus
Wiki Leaky Ok, Sounds good.
Do the apr flash tune and a jb do the same thing or does the apr tune changes things to the car that the jb can’t? I’m looking at getting either a jb4 or a uni tune for my car and I was hoping they accomplish the same thing because the jb units are cheaper?
Grant Volk UNI/APR/ any flash tune has increased timing and such but is obviously set to a certain PSI. (Usually 19psi for stage 2). I use a flash tune for the better timing being that I ran either a 93oct or 100oct map, and with JB4 I increased boost and fueling to match what my turbo wanted.
When you fitteed the new turbo with larger compressor wheel, did you not got EPC light or any kind of boost actuator error? I have almost the same setup (Unitrinic stage 2 with larger compressor wheel) but keep geting "p2563 code (Turbocharger Boost Control Position Sensor Circuit)". Any recommendation in order to adjust wastegate?
Matheus Valença Your going need VCDS (Vagcom) and run a few test. Most likely your Wastegate need adjusting. You want it to be fully closed. (3.5v-4.Xv) and then do a Wastegate adaptation on the VCDS to find the appropriate open/closed range. If your Wastegate isn’t closed to at least 3.5v, it won’t do a proper adaptation.
that R though... 👍
200 in 4th gear? Mines tached out at 213 in 6th
I'm trying to turbo my 2012 mk6 jetta se 2.5l. I can get tines and turbo kits for it but I CANNOT LOCATE AN EXHAUST MANIFOLD FOR IT!!! AHHHH CAN SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME?!?! Any help is truly much appreciated!!
Moneletto Every www.c2motorsports.net/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=productdetails&virtuemart_product_id=292&virtuemart_category_id=
whats´s your opinion about IS38´s compressor and turbine wheel in a MGT1752s ?
vinisss tsi I was going to try it, but I dont think the turbine fits. The guy that built my turbo had the same idea but the turbine shafts were different. To make more power Id have the Exhuast wheel clipped a few degrees & port the turbine housing
So I am deciding whether I want to IS20 or do a hybrid like yours. Why does everyone use the JB1 on top of a tune? Can't I just take it to a shop and get it dyno tuned? Also, did you have to modify your housing to get the compressor wheel to fit? Any help is appreciated.
Landon Miller You can use JB4 to add boost and control your meth over what a flash tune does. I mean, if your local shop somehow has software to tune these cars. Yea, do it. But that I know of, there is no tuneable software available for this car like Eurodyne/Cobb. And yes, the housings are machined to accept the bigger wheels.
PrzFinest21x can you not adjust afr,ignition and timing and all that with the jb4?
excellent
question, so dsg is pretty much automatic??
In operation or construction?
The operations is Automatic, it doesn’t have a foot clutch as the computer applies the clutches for you and the shifts can be either auto or paddle requested.
The construction is as if it were a manual with 2 clutches that are controlled by the Trans computer instead of a traditional foot clutch. Hope that works.
So this is the regular stock turbo by Honeywell? And what does JB1 stacked mean? (Sorry I’m a noob)
TheLegend27 This is a Factory 2014 GLI turbo that has been ported and machined to fit a bigger compressor wheel. JB1 is a piggyback tuner. My car was running both APR stage2 and JB1 stacked on top to offer more boost and fuel.
@@PrzFinest21x This is the best answer on all of CZcams.
I felt like I was standing at a swap meet and listening to two guys talk shop, while looking for the ever impossible to find "Canuter-valve" for the '83 Corvette . 😉
How much extra boost do you get with stacking a jb1? Thinking about doing that to my gti
Ismet Zonic I was getting a solid spike of 20 with a requested 17psi hold till the higher RPM where it tapered off. Now I'm spiking 23psi and holding 20psi till the end. in the setting it's set to add from .8 to 1.5psi over the APR stage 2 but in the logs it shows a solid 20psi
PrzFinest21x I'm sure that's good for extra 15-25 hp? Not gonna lie that I am a lil afraid of doing that on my gti as people have reported boost spiking as high as 28 psi on the high torque 93 octane apr tune on my mk7 gti.
Ismet Zonic Yea the spike comes early. I have the boost added the most at redline. My primary goal was to have a very linear power curve until redline. once my car makes power, it holds it constantly until redline,making 310-325 from 4500-6700rpm, with the long GLI GEARS... that's forever in the power band. Meth & added Boost in the HIGHER RPMS really helped. it's crazy now.
PrzFinest21x Yup that's a great combo right there. Should be enough to keep up with a is38 swapped mk7 gti? Would be a good race for sure
Where are these tuners located at?
I have a 2013.5 gli 2.0 tsi completely stock. I'm stuck between apr and unitronic tune I'm leaning toward unitronic stage 2 more then apr is there a big difference please no biased answers need actual people who have knowledge and would I be able to stack jb1 with uni stage 2 I already have downpipe being shipped to me
samir redzepagic You will be good with Either tune. Honesty if you plan on stacking, go UNItronic. You can flash the car at home and their support in great. I Run APR because at the time of purchase it was the only option. If you dont spend much time over 130mph, I would Just recommend JB4 and dont bother with an Off the shelf tune like APR, Uni, GIAC. With JB4 ypu can tune the car yourself and remove and sell it down the road. By far the best thing Ive bought. Downfall is no speed limiter removed, and no O2 disable, so youll need an O2 spacer for your downpipe.
PrzFinest21x thanks man I mean I dd the car I'm coming from cars over 400hp so for me it's the most reliable power I can get if I can stack the tunes I'd like to do that for more power have you heard of etuners in nj I've heard some good numbers for vw and another question intake recommendations for the gen 3?
samir redzepagic Stacking is fun, but you need meth to effectively cool all that air. As for intake its all personal preference. Do you want budget and affective of fancy? I would Say Integrated Engineering has the nicest hardware. Check them out.
PrzFinest21x definitely something budget but also affective cai or short ram ?
Johnnybravo your best bet would be to look for a CTS intake kit used or on sale
What was the torque number on these pulls? that thing parties for a stock frame turbo with hybrid wheel.
This setup a just 3 months later made 338whp/357wtq by swapping to JB4 from JB1.
@@PrzFinest21x super
Impressive considering the size of the exhaust wheels on the gt17. I’m considering a is38 swap but my main concern is fueling and the Ecu holding it back with torque limiting.
@@kevinlawrence9648 we recently started offering a “big” Turbo that makes tuned IS38 numbers while not making unusable TQ at 2000-3000 rpm, or crazy EGT. With a proper safe tune we got 370whp and 400tq. I can show you the graph. $1600 bolt on turbo solution.
@@PrzFinest21x that sounds very appealing. Would love to get more info on it.
@@kevinlawrence9648 you have Facebook? Look up Gappincheeks on Facebook. They are great group of guys dedicated the the GLI platform.
At what point did you blow the stock turbo? I’ve been trying to find info if anyone has stacked the jb1 on stage 2 with stock turbo and what their results were but the whole stacking thing is unspoken. My gli is my daily driver that could leave me with no car if I blow this turbo.
It’s not worth the risk, the stock turbo is ass. I blow the start turbo due to boost leak after installing the FMIC. But still, it’s not worth the risk. Getting a bigger, more robust turbo for the HP goal is always the answer.
I have a 2015 1.8 tsi u think I should do upgrades itd auto?
Yes. APR Tune would be awesome.
No reason not to upgrade. My turbo actually fits in it.
fellow gli owner, I also have a a gen3 and was disppoointed to find out that they aren't coming out with a stg 3. to my knowledge. I really want to take my car to th next lvl. how were u able to do a hybrid turbo
Chris S I just sent my stock turbo to my friend in Puerto Rico, who made some Billet Compressors and the. ported and polished the housing a bit to make nice and tight. It's been a great time, car is so much fun. lookin into building another one to sell to the public. looks like there is a market waiting.
Any ideas how much u would sale for?
They just release a jb4 for gen 1. What are the dangers of stacking on my stage two tune?
unidenprizes Email GappingCheeks@Gmail.com he can probably help you tune that stock turbo to the best possible on a stack.
I have an APR stage 1 1.8TSI jetta, is there any worth to getting a JB1 to stack it? I want to be able to tune it for e30 or up the power with jb1 somehow
RunOva you would want to stack it with JB4, not JB1. JB1 is old tech, also I wouldn’t stack it unless you upgrade the turbo.
@@PrzFinest21x alright thanks, i guess ill just wait for CTS's GTX28 upgrade thats coming out
RunOva hahahahahahaha, how much longer are you gonna wait? There are a few other options. IS20/IS38 swap, you can run a hybrid GLI turbo. There’s a lot More than waiting for CTS. But, it’s supposed to be a $1600-$1900 turbo. So not a bad deal at all.
@@PrzFinest21x Im not in a rush, I can wait a year if needed to, Im just not sure how the tiptronic on the jetta sport will hold. Stage 1 already causes some issues
what exhaust setup do you have now?
Iran Cruz Neighborhood hood Crush bent 3in. Catless Downpipe with A Vibrant resonator on the DP, and Another vibrant resonator as a rear muffler.
Hey guys, I am just wondering if anyone can enlighten me on the reliability complications that come with pulling out more power like this. I have a 2017 GLI and have only installed a sway bar, coilovers (bc stock strucks went bad), and just installed the Burger JB1 kit. I am concerned about voiding warranty by flashing the ECU and then something breaks from pushing the car too hard. This is why i went with the JB1 kit, because i can just unplug it and warranty company would be none the wiser. This is my daily btw.
How much longer do you have in your warranty? You best bet is to upgrade that JB1 to a JB4 and hit up the guys at GappinCheeks@gmail.com or you b facebook for a nice and safe tune. You can always ad better tires, an intake. A few things.
@@PrzFinest21x thanks for the reply man. I have 3 years left on the warranty, so still a good bit of value there. I have thought about an intake, but with that being visibly in the engine bay, I wasn't sure if the warranty company would give a hard time about it. I have been looking at CAI and turbo inlet pipes. Seems like simple things that could push me over the 300 hp barrier.
hi, did you have more turbo lag comparing with stage 2 ?
Vinicius Roberto No, the billet compressor may be bigger, but its also lighter vs the cast compressor.
hi again lol, was the injectors and hpfp oem in that time ?
Vinicius Roberto Yes. Even now with the IS38 making over 380whp. I plan on upgrading soon.
Hey man, what was the turbo off of? And was it hard to find a location to put it or was it possible to fit it in the original location?
MrSystane it's the stock turbo. With a Custom ported/polished, and machined compressor housing and a K04 47mm/60mm reverse rotation Billet compressor wheel.
PrzFinest21x oh okay, for some reason I thought this was slightly larger. If my turbo ever craps out I'll have to check out the shop you go too haha
Hi can you tell me the name of the shop that built the turbo? I want to do the same to mine it sucks that theres no upgrade kit for these cars
Lincoln Hawk Contact Joshua Quinones from Colo Tuning. He has a Facebook & Instagram which is how I contacted him about this project.
Ok great thanks
I know this is old but is this turbo available anywhere still?
Hello, do you have Facebook? Look up a page called GappinCheeks, they have recently introduced a turbo that is actually much better than this. Send them a message, they are very knowledgeable and also tune JB4 for anyone interested.
Can I stack jb4 with a Malone tune or does the stack specifically work with APR? I don’t have Facebook do they have an email? Currently ive been looking at Cts’s boss kit but it’s pretty expensive and they don’t have tuning capabilities for 1.8tsi’s. I’ve been trying to find a pro tuner local to me with little luck.
Also thanks for the quick reply !!
@@NOTaGLI Yes, Gappincheeks@Gmail.com it can be used with a JB4 stack.
Hey man I really I appreciate the info, thanks for responding so fast I just sent them an email!
wow thats awesome. my wife wont let me do that to my b7. she may let me do a apr tune lol......
I know what you mean.... my “alternator failed”, and it was pretty expensive to fix. But man was the car faster when it came out the shop 🙃
@@PrzFinest21x im a vw/audi mechanic so i do all my own work thank god lol.
@@Werewolfmage Im an Active duty AirForce jet engine mechanic, I do car stuff as a Hobby. All my own work, I just don’t know if I would like auto tech as a job😭 I’m afraid to mix work with pleasure lol
3:02 RIP my right ear...
Shadaethon hahaha, Sorry
what kind of AFR do you see ?
Gli_Fahrenheit I haven't run logs for myself through vcds. but from what my P3 gauge reads it's about 12-12.5 at WOT. if I ever run logs out comment again for an update.
Damn. i need a tune revision Asap then. i just installed water/meth and my AFR is 10.9-11.3 Wot.
Gli_Fahrenheit damnn, luckily I added water meth and a bigger compressor on the same tune. looks like the water meth and the added air counterbalance each other not throwing my AFR is off too much. pure luck lol
are you running a custom tune ? or a straight Apr stage 2
Gli_Fahrenheit mhmm, I guess it kinda custom. It's the Off the shelf APR Stage2 file with some added Boost through a JB1 piggyback back. It's holding 20psi now vs the only 17psi.
Can a gen 3 tsi make that power
Mister Chubbz This is a GEN3 TSI. Lol
So what bout one did you put with the tune
Mister Chubbz I don’t understand your question.
PrzFinest21x example: exhaust, intake, upgrade turbos....etc
Cuz I have a bone stock gen 3 and I haven’t found performance for it besides the apr tunes