😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 I love your comment! 😆 🤣 😂 😹 Yes, how have I survived over 40 years of riding without it?..oh yes, proper bend assessment, correct entry speed and planning.
I wouldn't write off trail braking completely. It has it's uses on steep downhill corners. It's another skill to have in your toolbox, even if it's rarely used.
@kaine4472 braking downhill or on a closing bend isn't trail braking by the definition of the trail brake fans. Thats just braking. Trail braking when you've misjudged bend severity is corrective braking. There's no need for "trail braking" by fan boy definitions.
This is a great explanation. I’ve been trained to the highest level and used the techniques every day for over 20 years. After 43 years riding, I still make mistakes on every ride. In Wales recently, I took position 3 on a 180 degree closing bend in perfect riding conditions. A motor home came around the bend towards me with enormous mirrors which protruded onto my side of the road and I had to drop my head to one side to avoid it. Every time I get it wrong, it reinforces that safety over rides ever other aspect of your ride.
Of all the videos on cornering and bends that I have watched, this must be the jewel in the crown! After several courses on safety and positioning over the years as well as motorcycle tour guide certification, this is the one reminder video that summarises everything I need to be looking for. Basic concepts set out in a comprehensible fashion and explained through several minutes of examples with some hints for proper observation thrown in. Russ, I will indeed be watching it over and over again.
Thanks, yes, irrespective of the legal limit, the real limit is following the "be able to stop....." rule. This is what some people can't see when saying that I'm riding too slow, I'd always ride to my available view anyway, even if limits were removed.
Been riding for over half a century; still learning after all these years. Almost everything on this video I do but, most of the time, I don’t know I’m doing it. For me, the value of watching is relocating the muscle-memory to the brain where it gets rinsed ‘n washed then settles back to the muscles where it belongs. Well done - thanks!
I've watched many of you videos over the past few years.Its a shame instructors like you weren't about in the early sixties, perhaps many of the guys l knew back then would still be with us...We had to learn on the job so's to speak. Motorcycles have advanced tremendously since my first tentative, wobbly ride on an Italian Bianchi. Tyres, brakes, suspension and chassis geometry all play a part in making riding a lot safer... The variable is, as always the riders brain and his/her ability to process whats going on around them....Great instructional video, even for old bikers like me. Because we can all profit from never stop learning... Like all things Motorcycling its a skill that constantly needs honing...Feliz Año Nuevo de España
Ridden that route a few times, and in the first few times I didn’t have this video to think of but I’ve ridden a few times “listening” t you talking me up it in my head! It’s a good one to think of your limit points, speed and positioning as you say. Plus with the quarries there can often be a lot of muck and water run off.
This is such simple advice & should be obvious.I was caught out by a corner that tightened unexpectedly, the camber tipped away & the whole road level dropped! If I'd been pushing it at 10/10ths then even if I'd seen what was coming, I'd have been out of options. But I wasn't & had enough grip & reaction time to get around it, even if I was left shaken up.
As always, another great upload. I'll probably send this to my current associate after my next observed ride on the weekend with him. I like to reinforce what I teach with videos like this because it highlights the correct things - Safety THEN Stability THEN View, not view first. I did a commentated demo ride as part of my last ride with them and I was highlighting how much I was concentrating on the safety factor, especially moving away from oncoming vehicles and reducing speed when view reduces. We need more people like Russ, less trail braking CZcamsrs who don't prove their points!
At 41 secs Russ was trail braking ie still scrubbing speed when leaned over, that's what trail braking is, sometimes it's done for longer or at a quicker pace, it really depends on the type of bend, usually bends well beyond 90 degrees, which in UK we don't have many, that's why it's a technique to be confident of using, on the rare times you use it. Alpine passes are a perfect example. I don't know why it's viewed so negatively 🤔
@Grahamvfr braking downhill or on a closing bend isn't trail braking by the definition of the trail brake fans. That's just braking, as is braking in a bend to a hazard. Trail braking when you've misjudged bend severity is corrective braking. There's no need for "trail braking" by fan boy definitions. They argue it loads your tyre and increases turning ability in the event of an emergency but setting your speed before the bend does the same thing with less wear to bike parts.
@@RoadcraftNottingham oh god it's a YT nightmare.. My only concern Russ is that by having 2 camps (assuming we all fully understand the terminology correctly ) is that anti trail brakers may create a fear amongst novice riders of braking whilst leaned over, which is 'ultimately' undesirable as a mind set, but perfectly fine if executed correctly. So Russ are you saying if the limit point keeps coming towards you (as it may in 90 degree+ bends/curves) and therefore you are still dragging brakes to hold that limit point,, then that is not trail braking???
@@Grahamvfr That's right, you're continuing your brakes as is needed for that particular situation. Pro-trail brakers purposely keep their brakes applied past the tip in point because they believe it loads the tyres and suspension, making the bike turn tighter. Watch Canyon chasers and Moto Jitso for their explanation. I may be doing another upload to clarify this but sufficed to say, all those in the pro trail brake camp will not listen and go as far as to insult my experience because they're basically brainwashed. I've tried trail braking at all speeds and by not trail braking as they instruct, wear my bike parts out a lot less and have my bike nicely balanced by setting my speed for my view early but if I'm going downhill, say to a roundabout, of course I'll brake but to me that's just braking for a genuine purpose.
Excellent presentation and advice, the principal point being never compromise safety for position and always be in a position where you can stop in the distance you can observe. But don’t forget, there are hazards which can even catch the most experienced rider out such as the sudden appearance of a muntjac running across the road. Luckily, it was only a close encounter but it made me realise that we’re not 100% invincible.
Very informative video! In places like the Lake District (near me) there are lots of open spaces where sheep roam freely on and off the road so it is wise to travel slowly if there are sheep near the roadside. Many of them are used to traffic but you do get the odd one that jumps across the road when something comes along, particularly a motorcycle. Also at this time of year mud from farms is a problem and a risk.
Really enjoyed your explanation, It was very clear and easy to follow. Even though I've been riding daily since I passed my test in 1983 I was never totally comfortable that I was getting it right every time. I'll take your advice and watch it again. Thank you
Great video, straight to the point, explaining how to take the bends. I've been watching your channel since I started riding bikes over 10 years ago. I am now IAM Roadsmart qualified and learned a lot from your videos. I know you mentioned it but I'd like to point out how important it is to be in the right gear. I found my position on the road was good, but I had a habit of being in a high gear, slightly overshooting the bends and had to tap the rear brake to make it round the bend. My instructor told me to drop one or two gears and it made a lot of difference. Hopefully this will help new riders 😊 Keep up a great work!
Good video Russ, I closing, steady or opening - closing view, close your throttle , gear down to mid range revs, steady view , steady speed, opening view, open throttle is safe to do so and relevant - depending on where the next bend is ahead and SSV.
I have to admit, when I've gotten comfortable with corners I have charged them a bit, but fortunately I've still maintained the paranoia about what could be around there (such as officers with hand speed detectors). But riding with paranoia is tiring. I think of the speeds I saw some of my riding buddies going in the past, and I notice many of them don't even ride anymore. Perhaps they had one too many scares or couldn't trust themselves not to get suckered into competing with others. At any rate, it's a game I shouldn't play anymore. It seems very basic, but having the SSV principle articulated is a big help, so I'll use that on my next ride. Cheers Russ. As a side note, I'm impressed that ST1100 is still going so nicely. I remember asking you about them a while ago and I was tempted to try one, but sadly all the examples I've seen have been... craptacular, really. The last I saw had badly brown brake fluid. Though it was still better than the old FJR next to it, which had the worst case of suicide throttle I've ever felt - the stiffness was of moving it was nearly comparable to pulling Excalibur from stone.
I'm glad you're going to have a practise of SSV. I've seen many a rider relying on luck when it comes to bends, but the luckier they are, the more they see it as skill and get a false sense of security. Pan's on 98k now, a bit trigger's broom but still loving it.
I’m starting on getting advanced training and your video brought everything together I’d been told about cornering in a perfect and simple way. Everything I’ve read now makes sense and it’s so easy the way you explained it. It was a penny drop moment for me when I went out and practiced it.. thank you 😊
An excellent demonstration and explanation of using the system to read and assess bends, I always recommend your's and Mike Roberts videos to associates, wishing you a Happy New Year and thanks for taking the time to make these excellent videos
That was brilliant fella. I have been riding for 30+ years. I know that road very well and ride it exactly the same as you did. I have learnt to ride like yourself by experience. SSV has been my mantra. I just didn't know it. Derbyshire has millions of cyclists and even more quarry lorries. It alters the way you ride. I tried advanced riding a few years ago and thought it was dangerous. So walked away. Nothing like what you just did.
Thanks. Unfortunately, many people are and have been put off advanced training because their observer, who works in an office normally and only comes out on Sundays for a few hours doesn't have real world instructing experience and has taken what louder trainers/ex cops have said as gospel without questioning like you noticed. There are some good trainers out there, but finding one is pot luck. If you're local, feel free to book an assessment session with me, now you know how I train. Cheers
I would like that mate. I live in macclesfield, but will travel. Can you send me your contact details please? I'm coming back from a huge self inflicted bike crash last year. Would like to evolve my skills and training will help massively. Thank you. @@RoadcraftNottingham
Really good summary, thanks again Russ. As an Advanced Trainer for Wiltshire RoADAR, I often send out your videos to help explain to associates to really get the point across.
Russ - thanks as always. Clearly there was no need during this ride for the ever-divisive [idiotic??] trail braking. I have come to a conclusion about trail braking and want feedback, from you or the peanut gallery about the technique I employ. Your close-hold-open approach aligns with my understanding that speed determines the ability of the bike to navigate a corner successfully or not. Nick Einach over at Yamaha Champ School might call this principle "Radius = MPH." With your approach, speed is managed to such a degree that trail braking is totally unnecessary. My conclusion is: Trail Braking can be a life-saving technique if the fundamentals of speed management and SSV are not applied beforehand. It is truly a technique for track riding that *may* have *some* useful applications on the street. "If I wasn't trail braking I never would have seen that squirrel in time," becomes a moot statement if one properly manages speed before ever meeting the curve. I'll watch again but I'm not sure you touched the front brake lever once during this video. Trail braking only becomes necessary when limit points and speed are out-of-sync and the rider must make an urgent correction. Conversely - the smooth application of brakes in emergency situations, in particular in curves and intersections, is a valuable skill. I would like to think I mimic your approach to riding, where I match my speed to the distance I can see ahead (and posted limits of course 😇.) That being said, I do not understand if there is a detriment to my safety or the safety of those around me if I employ "trail braking" as an addendum to this strategy. For example, I will close throttle to slow down for a given corner such that I know I can brake in the distance I can see. Simultaneously, I rest my fingers on the brake lever and apply just enough pressure on my brakes to illuminate the brake light. I do this until the corner opens and I can open the throttle. I don't think what I employ counts as "trail braking" per se, as my speed is determined before the corner as a result of my visibility/limit points/road conditions/etc. I do, however, tend to cover my front brake in a corner out of an abundance of caution should anything get completely FUBAR. At the very least, it may cut my reaction time by a few miliseconds and reduce the risk of grabbing a big handful of front brakes. I am uninterested in finding out how Road tastes so please lmk if I am doin' a stupid. Peace, Love and sincere appreciation of your new audio equipment across the pond. -Dave
We agree...People get the definitions wrong.. .Braking downhill, to a roundabout or on a closing bend isn't trail braking by the definition of the trail brake fans. Thats just simply braking on a bend as is needed. Trail braking, when you've misjudged bend severity is actually corrective braking. There's no need for "trail braking" unless on track. I appreciate your comment buddy. 😊
Trail braking is a tool you should use if you're out in the twisties and you want to go at a faster pace. It is safer if you are going faster as it changes the geometry of the bike (compressing the front forks and changing rake and trail) squashing the front tire rubber into the road increasing the footprint width, creating more traction. Also, slowing down will help the bike to turn easier and quicker and we all know that greater lean means greater risk. We want to get the corner over with as soon as possible. Can I suggest you go checkout MotoJitsu?
This really brought home the relationship between the bend closing and the bike's closing speed. Language is funny in that its all reversed, not just English, mind. I guess its a common trick of perception. We talk about a bend closing, holding, or opening but the bend is really just lying there not doing anything other than gathering potholes. Its really us riders that are closing in on the bend, holding our pace, or opening out the bend by slowing down. Great way to bring back agency to the rider. Shit doesn't just happen on a bike, we are the ones making it happen. And squirrels of course, the little bastards ;-)
Almost 2 years with my license, 3000 miles and still nervy on twisty roads . I shall watch this again several times . There is still a missing piece of the jigsaw puzzle to help- me become a more confident rider . I’m also very curious as weather or not we apply the same knowledge when we drive our cars on country roads ????.
This is fine advice for a fairly lowland terrain road network but the challenge comes when you get into Wales and Ireland etc with their historical roads that, for cost reasons, simply follow river valleys (with so many bends that they run out of chevron signs for even bad bends), then they have bridges that take the road suddenly perpendicular to the direction of travel, whereupon a neighbour, freshly passed through his bike test, came to grief, hitting the side of the bridge, head first into the water... get the best bike you can afford kiddos, preferably with cornering ABS and traction control, bearing in mind that motorcyles are decades behind cars, which have had ABS since the mid 1990's
Yes, Wales certainly takes more focus and skills but the principles remain sound, even there 😊 I'm also a fan of "run out of talent aids"..rather have them and not need them than need them and not have them.
Excellent vid, well narrated too. All motorcyclists can benefit from this type of riding tutoring. Any chance you can educate the dim car drivers who just go tearing around blind bends & tight corners without a thought on being able to stop in a hurry?
Hello Russ, The head mechanic at out local Triumph /Honda dealer just found a buck in the middle of a turn .He is out of hospital now but the Goldwing is worse for wear and that is with 40 years on the saddle .. I had a close dance with a young un a few Autums back . Dear and traffic coming out of side roads and driveways always make me ultra alert ... IS this road anywhere near Denby ? I do have to visit that pottery next time I get to the UK :) and the Nottingham museum has some wonderful 13th century balister Jugs :) . Thanks as always for this clip ... We just got 8 inces of snow so it will be a few days before I can get out again on the bike ... Yours in New England , Guy
Great video, thanks. One situation I find frequently and not sure the best way to deal with it. When filtering between 2 lanes of traffic approaching traffic lights - then as I near the front of the queue, the lights change to green. Is it best to accelerate through, or try and awkwardly rejoin one of the lanes?
if you are riding like that they could say you are racing , if you are moving 1 - 3 you are just asking for the boy racer to push passed you and get run off the road unless you are going fast - racing you are riding on the road not the track
Actually it would be easier to do a track day with an experienced rider than mess about with public roads. Btw if you cant see round the corner you do as a car driver would, apply caution. You cant go fast on public roads. You should know that. R
All done without idiotic trail braking. Amazed you survived without it, Russ.😱😁
😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 I love your comment! 😆 🤣 😂 😹
Yes, how have I survived over 40 years of riding without it?..oh yes, proper bend assessment, correct entry speed and planning.
Every time he closed the throttle he was trail breaking. That's true for any bike not having a front wheel drive :p
I wouldn't write off trail braking completely. It has it's uses on steep downhill corners. It's another skill to have in your toolbox, even if it's rarely used.
@kaine4472 braking downhill or on a closing bend isn't trail braking by the definition of the trail brake fans. Thats just braking. Trail braking when you've misjudged bend severity is corrective braking. There's no need for "trail braking" by fan boy definitions.
@@martinbakker7615 Nonsense 🥹
This is a great explanation. I’ve been trained to the highest level and used the techniques every day for over 20 years. After 43 years riding, I still make mistakes on every ride. In Wales recently, I took position 3 on a 180 degree closing bend in perfect riding conditions. A motor home came around the bend towards me with enormous mirrors which protruded onto my side of the road and I had to drop my head to one side to avoid it. Every time I get it wrong, it reinforces that safety over rides ever other aspect of your ride.
Thanks. Any good rider will see areas where they either mess up or can improve. Commendable. Thanks for your comment.
Of all the videos on cornering and bends that I have watched, this must be the jewel in the crown!
After several courses on safety and positioning over the years as well as motorcycle tour guide certification, this is the one reminder video that summarises everything I need to be looking for.
Basic concepts set out in a comprehensible fashion and explained through several minutes of examples with some hints for proper observation thrown in.
Russ, I will indeed be watching it over and over again.
Nice, simple works, even on a wet day. One important little point, you were riding at the speed limit. If I've ever had an issue, I was going to fast.
Thanks, yes, irrespective of the legal limit, the real limit is following the "be able to stop....." rule. This is what some people can't see when saying that I'm riding too slow, I'd always ride to my available view anyway, even if limits were removed.
Been riding for over half a century; still learning after all these years. Almost everything on this video I do but, most of the time, I don’t know I’m doing it. For me, the value of watching is relocating the muscle-memory to the brain where it gets rinsed ‘n washed then settles back to the muscles where it belongs. Well done - thanks!
So simple and easy to understand it’s almost foolproof. Another gem Russ thank you ☺️
Thanks Chris. That's exactly what I was aiming for.
Very nice, simple explanation and demonstration of a topic that is often made overly complex. Good to see you on the Pan again
Thanks. I keep forgetting how rewarding that bike is to ride well.
So nice to still see you okay Russ. I had some lessons with you 10 years ago. Best instructor out there.
I've watched many of you videos over the past few years.Its a shame instructors like you weren't about in the early sixties, perhaps many of the guys l knew back then would still be with us...We had to learn on the job so's to speak.
Motorcycles have advanced tremendously since my first tentative, wobbly ride on an Italian Bianchi. Tyres, brakes, suspension and chassis geometry all play a part in making riding a lot safer... The variable is, as always the riders brain and his/her ability to process whats going on around them....Great instructional video, even for old bikers like me. Because we can all profit from never stop learning... Like all things Motorcycling its a skill that constantly needs honing...Feliz Año Nuevo de España
One of the best videos I've seen on bends - thank you
You're welcome, and thanks.
And this is typical of why I want my Grandson to learn with Russ!! I have a RoSPA Gold - doesn’t make me a good teacher…!
Ridden that route a few times, and in the first few times I didn’t have this video to think of but I’ve ridden a few times “listening” t you talking me up it in my head! It’s a good one to think of your limit points, speed and positioning as you say. Plus with the quarries there can often be a lot of muck and water run off.
This is such simple advice & should be obvious.I was caught out by a corner that tightened unexpectedly, the camber tipped away & the whole road level dropped! If I'd been pushing it at 10/10ths then even if I'd seen what was coming, I'd have been out of options. But I wasn't & had enough grip & reaction time to get around it, even if I was left shaken up.
As always, another great upload. I'll probably send this to my current associate after my next observed ride on the weekend with him. I like to reinforce what I teach with videos like this because it highlights the correct things - Safety THEN Stability THEN View, not view first. I did a commentated demo ride as part of my last ride with them and I was highlighting how much I was concentrating on the safety factor, especially moving away from oncoming vehicles and reducing speed when view reduces. We need more people like Russ, less trail braking CZcamsrs who don't prove their points!
Very kind of you to say, thanks. I just think some people make it harder than it needs to be. Cheers.
At 41 secs Russ was trail braking ie still scrubbing speed when leaned over, that's what trail braking is, sometimes it's done for longer or at a quicker pace, it really depends on the type of bend, usually bends well beyond 90 degrees, which in UK we don't have many, that's why it's a technique to be confident of using, on the rare times you use it. Alpine passes are a perfect example. I don't know why it's viewed so negatively 🤔
@Grahamvfr braking downhill or on a closing bend isn't trail braking by the definition of the trail brake fans. That's just braking, as is braking in a bend to a hazard. Trail braking when you've misjudged bend severity is corrective braking. There's no need for "trail braking" by fan boy definitions. They argue it loads your tyre and increases turning ability in the event of an emergency but setting your speed before the bend does the same thing with less wear to bike parts.
@@RoadcraftNottingham oh god it's a YT nightmare.. My only concern Russ is that by having 2 camps (assuming we all fully understand the terminology correctly ) is that anti trail brakers may create a fear amongst novice riders of braking whilst leaned over, which is 'ultimately' undesirable as a mind set, but perfectly fine if executed correctly. So Russ are you saying if the limit point keeps coming towards you (as it may in 90 degree+ bends/curves) and therefore you are still dragging brakes to hold that limit point,, then that is not trail braking???
@@Grahamvfr That's right, you're continuing your brakes as is needed for that particular situation. Pro-trail brakers purposely keep their brakes applied past the tip in point because they believe it loads the tyres and suspension, making the bike turn tighter. Watch Canyon chasers and Moto Jitso for their explanation. I may be doing another upload to clarify this but sufficed to say, all those in the pro trail brake camp will not listen and go as far as to insult my experience because they're basically brainwashed. I've tried trail braking at all speeds and by not trail braking as they instruct, wear my bike parts out a lot less and have my bike nicely balanced by setting my speed for my view early but if I'm going downhill, say to a roundabout, of course I'll brake but to me that's just braking for a genuine purpose.
It's such a simple an intuitive topic, yet I still learned a lot from watching this video!
Many thanks.
His Russ I have been riding 46 years and your videos still intrigue me 😊and make me realise I am still learning. Happy new year.
Thanks Raymond, we're all learning in different ways. I'm still finding new ways of explaining things to you guys which makes me happy.
Excellent presentation and advice, the principal point being never compromise safety for position and always be in a position where you can stop in the distance you can observe. But don’t forget, there are hazards which can even catch the most experienced rider out such as the sudden appearance of a muntjac running across the road. Luckily, it was only a close encounter but it made me realise that we’re not 100% invincible.
Yeah, that squirrel was a particularly dangerous hazard too! 😅
Very informative video! In places like the Lake District (near me) there are lots of open spaces where sheep roam freely on and off the road so it is wise to travel slowly if there are sheep near the roadside. Many of them are used to traffic but you do get the odd one that jumps across the road when something comes along, particularly a motorcycle. Also at this time of year mud from farms is a problem and a risk.
Absolutely, animals can be very unpredictable. Reducing speed and position always reduces risk. Thanks for watching.
You make it look easy, Russ.
Thanks, many, many years of practise and continuous concentration to achieve exactly this goal. 👍
Really enjoyed your explanation, It was very clear and easy to follow. Even though I've been riding daily since I passed my test in 1983 I was never totally comfortable that I was getting it right every time. I'll take your advice and watch it again. Thank you
Brilliant-simple, memorable & effective!
Great video, straight to the point, explaining how to take the bends. I've been watching your channel since I started riding bikes over 10 years ago. I am now IAM Roadsmart qualified and learned a lot from your videos.
I know you mentioned it but I'd like to point out how important it is to be in the right gear. I found my position on the road was good, but I had a habit of being in a high gear, slightly overshooting the bends and had to tap the rear brake to make it round the bend. My instructor told me to drop one or two gears and it made a lot of difference. Hopefully this will help new riders 😊
Keep up a great work!
Good video Russ, I closing, steady or opening - closing view, close your throttle , gear down to mid range revs, steady view , steady speed, opening view, open throttle is safe to do so and relevant - depending on where the next bend is ahead and SSV.
As usual Russ, there is always something new to learn from you. Great video
Thank you. 😊
I have to admit, when I've gotten comfortable with corners I have charged them a bit, but fortunately I've still maintained the paranoia about what could be around there (such as officers with hand speed detectors). But riding with paranoia is tiring. I think of the speeds I saw some of my riding buddies going in the past, and I notice many of them don't even ride anymore. Perhaps they had one too many scares or couldn't trust themselves not to get suckered into competing with others. At any rate, it's a game I shouldn't play anymore.
It seems very basic, but having the SSV principle articulated is a big help, so I'll use that on my next ride. Cheers Russ.
As a side note, I'm impressed that ST1100 is still going so nicely. I remember asking you about them a while ago and I was tempted to try one, but sadly all the examples I've seen have been... craptacular, really. The last I saw had badly brown brake fluid. Though it was still better than the old FJR next to it, which had the worst case of suicide throttle I've ever felt - the stiffness was of moving it was nearly comparable to pulling Excalibur from stone.
I'm glad you're going to have a practise of SSV. I've seen many a rider relying on luck when it comes to bends, but the luckier they are, the more they see it as skill and get a false sense of security. Pan's on 98k now, a bit trigger's broom but still loving it.
I’m starting on getting advanced training and your video brought everything together I’d been told about cornering in a perfect and simple way. Everything I’ve read now makes sense and it’s so easy the way you explained it. It was a penny drop moment for me when I went out and practiced it.. thank you 😊
That's exactly why I did this upload. I struggled to understand properly in 1984. Thanks for the feedback.
As a Rospa member your instruction is great clear 😊
Thanks. I hate uploaders who waffle. I say "KISS....Keep it simple stupid"
Brilliant video! Gets straight to the point and easily rememberable
This is absolutely spot on. Very similar to that of The System of Car Control for emergancy reposonding. Great video 👍
An excellent demonstration and explanation of using the system to read and assess bends, I always recommend your's and Mike Roberts videos to associates, wishing you a Happy New Year and thanks for taking the time to make these excellent videos
Thanks, yes, Mike is extremely knowledgeable and we often have interesting private "conversations". We enjoy playing devil's advocate.
Great explanation of useful riding tips again. That squirrel said thanks by the way. 😁
😂 thanks and you're welcome Mr Squirrel.
Another super lesson, it reinforces in my head what I've been doing for years. Well done 🤓
Great to hear!
Great video there Russ!! Really helpful and simple to understand! Now to put it into more practice!!
Thanks, practise makes.....better and better 😂
Excellent video. This is the method the police use as well as noting the amount of white paint in the centre of the road, more paint more danger.
That was brilliant fella. I have been riding for 30+ years. I know that road very well and ride it exactly the same as you did. I have learnt to ride like yourself by experience. SSV has been my mantra. I just didn't know it. Derbyshire has millions of cyclists and even more quarry lorries. It alters the way you ride.
I tried advanced riding a few years ago and thought it was dangerous. So walked away. Nothing like what you just did.
Thanks. Unfortunately, many people are and have been put off advanced training because their observer, who works in an office normally and only comes out on Sundays for a few hours doesn't have real world instructing experience and has taken what louder trainers/ex cops have said as gospel without questioning like you noticed. There are some good trainers out there, but finding one is pot luck. If you're local, feel free to book an assessment session with me, now you know how I train. Cheers
I would like that mate. I live in macclesfield, but will travel. Can you send me your contact details please? I'm coming back from a huge self inflicted bike crash last year. Would like to evolve my skills and training will help massively. Thank you. @@RoadcraftNottingham
Very sensible and I can help you with that. Roadcraftnottingham@gmail.com
Simple, straightforward and understandable, excellent.
Thanks
Really good summary, thanks again Russ. As an Advanced Trainer for Wiltshire RoADAR, I often send out your videos to help explain to associates to really get the point across.
So brilliant, thank you.
Russ - thanks as always. Clearly there was no need during this ride for the ever-divisive [idiotic??] trail braking. I have come to a conclusion about trail braking and want feedback, from you or the peanut gallery about the technique I employ.
Your close-hold-open approach aligns with my understanding that speed determines the ability of the bike to navigate a corner successfully or not. Nick Einach over at Yamaha Champ School might call this principle "Radius = MPH." With your approach, speed is managed to such a degree that trail braking is totally unnecessary. My conclusion is: Trail Braking can be a life-saving technique if the fundamentals of speed management and SSV are not applied beforehand. It is truly a technique for track riding that *may* have *some* useful applications on the street. "If I wasn't trail braking I never would have seen that squirrel in time," becomes a moot statement if one properly manages speed before ever meeting the curve. I'll watch again but I'm not sure you touched the front brake lever once during this video. Trail braking only becomes necessary when limit points and speed are out-of-sync and the rider must make an urgent correction.
Conversely - the smooth application of brakes in emergency situations, in particular in curves and intersections, is a valuable skill. I would like to think I mimic your approach to riding, where I match my speed to the distance I can see ahead (and posted limits of course 😇.) That being said, I do not understand if there is a detriment to my safety or the safety of those around me if I employ "trail braking" as an addendum to this strategy. For example, I will close throttle to slow down for a given corner such that I know I can brake in the distance I can see. Simultaneously, I rest my fingers on the brake lever and apply just enough pressure on my brakes to illuminate the brake light. I do this until the corner opens and I can open the throttle.
I don't think what I employ counts as "trail braking" per se, as my speed is determined before the corner as a result of my visibility/limit points/road conditions/etc. I do, however, tend to cover my front brake in a corner out of an abundance of caution should anything get completely FUBAR. At the very least, it may cut my reaction time by a few miliseconds and reduce the risk of grabbing a big handful of front brakes. I am uninterested in finding out how Road tastes so please lmk if I am doin' a stupid.
Peace, Love and sincere appreciation of your new audio equipment across the pond.
-Dave
We agree...People get the definitions wrong.. .Braking downhill, to a roundabout or on a closing bend isn't trail braking by the definition of the trail brake fans. Thats just simply braking on a bend as is needed. Trail braking, when you've misjudged bend severity is actually corrective braking. There's no need for "trail braking" unless on track. I appreciate your comment buddy. 😊
Trail braking is a tool you should use if you're out in the twisties and you want to go at a faster pace. It is safer if you are going faster as it changes the geometry of the bike (compressing the front forks and changing rake and trail) squashing the front tire rubber into the road increasing the footprint width, creating more traction. Also, slowing down will help the bike to turn easier and quicker and we all know that greater lean means greater risk. We want to get the corner over with as soon as possible. Can I suggest you go checkout MotoJitsu?
Really appreciate your time and effort! This is brilliant - from an ongoing learner.
Thanks, many people already know this stuff, just nice to have reminders.
This really brought home the relationship between the bend closing and the bike's closing speed. Language is funny in that its all reversed, not just English, mind. I guess its a common trick of perception. We talk about a bend closing, holding, or opening but the bend is really just lying there not doing anything other than gathering potholes. Its really us riders that are closing in on the bend, holding our pace, or opening out the bend by slowing down. Great way to bring back agency to the rider. Shit doesn't just happen on a bike, we are the ones making it happen. And squirrels of course, the little bastards ;-)
Say what you want about perception regarding bends but leave my squirrels out of this! 😉 😜
Thanks mate 👍👍👍👍👍
Almost 2 years with my license, 3000 miles and still nervy on twisty roads . I shall watch this again several times . There is still a missing piece of the jigsaw puzzle to help- me become a more confident rider . I’m also very curious as weather or not we apply the same knowledge when we drive our cars on country roads ????.
The principles are the same.
Always nice to get a bit refreshment from you Russ. I’ll take the other persons point on trial braking…whatever next …smashed avocado on toast maybe😅
Good stuff as always. Thanks Russ and all the best for 2024 😀
Well explained and demonstrated. I've shared with my fellow observers and my allocated associates.
Thankyou. 😊
@@RoadcraftNottingham no, thank you! 😉
This is fine advice for a fairly lowland terrain road network but the challenge comes when you get into Wales and Ireland etc with their historical roads that, for cost reasons, simply follow river valleys (with so many bends that they run out of chevron signs for even bad bends), then they have bridges that take the road suddenly perpendicular to the direction of travel, whereupon a neighbour, freshly passed through his bike test, came to grief, hitting the side of the bridge, head first into the water... get the best bike you can afford kiddos, preferably with cornering ABS and traction control, bearing in mind that motorcyles are decades behind cars, which have had ABS since the mid 1990's
Yes, Wales certainly takes more focus and skills but the principles remain sound, even there 😊
I'm also a fan of "run out of talent aids"..rather have them and not need them than need them and not have them.
Excellent vid, well narrated too. All motorcyclists can benefit from this type of riding tutoring. Any chance you can educate the dim car drivers who just go tearing around blind bends & tight corners without a thought on being able to stop in a hurry?
That's sadly many motorists, including bikers who are all lucky there's nothing around the bend.
Like all talented bikers u have a Pan. Good video.
😆 it's an unwritten rule.
Hello Russ, The head mechanic at out local Triumph /Honda dealer just found a buck in the middle of a turn .He is out of hospital now but the Goldwing is worse for wear and that is with 40 years on the saddle .. I had a close dance with a young un a few Autums back . Dear and traffic coming out of side roads and driveways always make me ultra alert ... IS this road anywhere near Denby ? I do have to visit that pottery next time I get to the UK :) and the Nottingham museum has some wonderful 13th century balister Jugs :) . Thanks as always for this clip ... We just got 8 inces of snow so it will be a few days before I can get out again on the bike ...
Yours in New England , Guy
Excellent long and short videos👍
Thanks 👍
Perfect explanation and examples. Thank you
Brilliant video, really. And happy 2024!
Thanks, and happy new year to you too.
Great video as usual, learned a lot here! Thank you!
You're very welcome.
Excellent video as always, thank you😊
Thankyou!
You're welcome!
more videos pls
awesome video, thank you.
Brilliant, thank you.
You're very welcome!
Thank you.
You're welcome!
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Great video, thanks.
One situation I find frequently and not sure the best way to deal with it. When filtering between 2 lanes of traffic approaching traffic lights - then as I near the front of the queue, the lights change to green. Is it best to accelerate through, or try and awkwardly rejoin one of the lanes?
It's best plan in your head how long they've been on red for and prepare to bail out of the filter.
happy new year, Russ
You too buddy.
@@RoadcraftNottingham hoping for more videos, than 2023
I have plans
@@RoadcraftNottingham glad to read that. i always enjoyed your vids very much, even you werent my subs as much, lol
can you do your A2 licence on a 125
No, that's A1 on a 125
if you are riding like that they could say you are racing , if you are moving 1 - 3 you are just asking for the boy racer to push passed you and get run off the road unless you are going fast - racing you are riding on the road not the track
Who's "they"?.. In over 40 years of riding, that's never happened. Where did you get that from?
its happen to me a few times if you are keeping to the speed limit last week for one
Who are "they" and what's your story?@marksteven6116
Actually it would be easier to do a track day with an experienced rider than mess about with public roads.
Btw if you cant see round the corner you do as a car driver would, apply caution. You cant go fast on public roads. You should know that. R
Just slow down
But how much?
So much better than that motojitsu flop