Set your TOMS up like a pro!
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- This might be the simplest, easiest way to get your kit to look and feel more like a pro player's setup. Learn the concepts you need to get your tom configuration and setup to work with you and your playing style.
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Of course, all of this is just my opinion, but these concepts are a great starting point. As you gain experience, adjust the kit how it works for you! This video is really just to help beginners get their kits to a reasonable, workable starting point. If you're doing it in a way that works for you, AWESOME! Thanks for stopping by!
This should be mandatory viewing for new drumset players.
Thank you! I hope a few new players see it and avoid some of those mistakes we all made. I sincerely appreciate the comment!
Thank you for another great instructive video for those of us who have played 40 odd years to the beginner. Never hurts any skill level to gain new perspective and ideas.
Thank you! I appreciate you watching another one of my videos!
As a drummer of over 45 yrs, I always love it when someone, anyone, wants to tell you "what is right". Really, there's just what you learned and what makes YOU comfortable. STOP thinking it's your way or the highway.
You’re absolutely right. I hope it didn’t come across as my way or the highway, sincerely. But there are definitely concepts that make your life easier and your drums easier to play. You can play football with your cleats unlaced, too, but it’s going to cause you a lot of problems. Tie em up any way like, but tie em up. Thanks for the comment!
If everybody heeded your advice, a significant part of even the professionals (even though it's a minority, still significant) would have to redesign their drumkit. Look at how fabulously un-ergonomic are the kits of Igor Cavalera (recent, post-Sepultura era) or Deep Purple's own Ian Paice. It's incredible they still have all their limbs in place.
Yeah, I completely agree. At the end of the day, if it works, it works. The blessing/curse of drum kit is that it is almost unlimited in how it can be set up and adjusted. Hopefully this video gives a few people a place to start with their setup and solves a few problems. Thanks for the comment!
Throne height tip - about an inch or two higher than my knee caps works well for me.
Love it. Thank you for the tip!
Common sense that’s not to common!
Great video! Thank you!
Thanks so much!
This is exactly why I use shallower and traditional tom depths. My previous kit had a 12x9 over the right side of the bass drum. Switching to a 12x8 was much more comfortable to position and play without hitting the bass drum hoop.
100% agree. For me it also helped when I went from 12 and 13 rack toms to 10 and 12.
I totally agree with this video. I always preferred to sit higher and have my drums be lower and more flatly angled than other people would like, mainly for posture, comfort, speed, rebound, and sound.
And then there's Steve Gadd. He liked to sit low with his toms tilted quite a lot!
Yes. Gadd is one of the first ones who comes to mind for setting things up however the heck he wanted. There are a ton of players who are amazing, and I'd never want to play their kits! Thank you for the comment!
Different strokes for different folks! ♫♪♫
Thanks for this video. Of course, tom setup will depend on traditional vs matched grip, drummer height, tom depth (oh those vintage power toms!) etc. I love watching famous trad grip players, like Steve Smith or Simon Phillips to see how they've set their toms up! Good pics at the beginning, as well.
Absolutely excellent points. Yeah, there are definitely legends that violated every single thing I said in my video - I should have made it clear that this is a starting point and experience can really take you wherever works for you. Thank you for the comment!
Great information as always I am looking forward to the cymbal edition, keep on doing this basic stuff.💪🤜
It's on the way. Thanks again for watching and commenting!
Drum hoop height vs head surface is a factor too, and can be exacerbated by sticks with small beads and short tapers. You would have to increase the tom angle to avoid inadvertent rimshots, or aim for contact points always dead center - hard to do when playing challenging parts. Conversely, lower profile hoops (or heads that allow the hoop to seat lower) and sticks with big tips can get you that super parallel action - like a mallet on a timpani.
Excellent points. I was definitely aiming a little more basic, but I’m hoping people read this comment! Thanks for adding to the conversation!
Good video I mostly agree. This is good advice for beginners, especially with regards to drum throne height.
I think rack toms can be a little tricky to set up, but there's only so many places you can reasonably put them.
What do you think about the "stair step" method of rack tom setup like you might see with Russ Miller, Dave Weckl, later-career Neil Peart, and Jeff Porcaro? Maybe in their case, it was done to avoid changing the position of the hi-hat, but I've found even with two toms over the bass drum, it's very comfortable to have my first (left) rack tom positioned slightly higher than the second.
Also bass drum mounted tom positioning can be more comfortable for some people if they twist the mount slightly to the right, bringing the first (left) tom a little further away and the second (right) tom closer and more central, like you see with Ralph Peterson and Rob Brown. But this also puts the second rack tom over a taller part of the bass drum so it definitely won't work for every drummer or drum set.
YES! These are all great points.
I think the stair-step setup is actually really cool, and those names you mentioned are all legendary players, of course. My two thoughts are: 1) Whatever works, works. If you practice consistently, really any setup is going to work for you because you can adapt to it. 2) Those A+ list players have developed not only their technique, but their setup over a long period of time, so they've obviously got well-thought-out reasoning behind just about every millimeter of adjustment. Weckl is basically a research scientists when it comes to this aspect.
I've definitely played with that second tom closer over the center of the kick drum, but I usually have an 18 or 20 inch kick. On my main kit I have a 22, and for a long time I put rack toms on a stand in the position between the hat and kick, so I still had two rack toms, but they were both to the left of the kick. Weird, but again, I adapted, so it ended up working out really well.
One thing I neglected to mention is ride cymbal position. I really like mine in the position where the second rack tom usually lives (which is why I usually play 4-piece - I play a lot of jazz these days).
As you rightly pointed out, it's tricky. My hope is that this video gives some concepts to think about, and it's mostly aimed at beginner players.
Thanks for the comment! Great thoughts!
Mr. CSM, thank you for another informative and entertaining program.🙏❤️👏🙏❤️👏
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching another video and for the support, as always!
@@CommonSenseMusician I don’t know if I told you, but I am 74 year old self taught drummer and a retired school teacher/varsity football coach. I spent 39 years in the classroom and 45 years on the gridiron.
I love your no-nonsense approach to your videos.
Thank you. I'm glad we connected, and I'm glad some of it is helpful. That many years coaching and teaching gives you a ton of great perspective - thank you for all you did for your students and athletes! More no-nonsense coming your way!
@@CommonSenseMusician Okee dokee, I will be here waiting patiently.❤️🙏🏻❤️
For throne to snare relation, I like reso of the snare drum is level with the top of the throne seat noting I play mostly 6.5 deep snares.
Nice. That makes for an easy reference point whenever you set up. Thanks for the tip!
Bro what is that on your chin
Ha! I’ve spent the last hour or so trying to come up with a snarky reply, but I got nothin. What you got for me? Let the roast begin…
@@CommonSenseMusician There were only 2 correct answers that could shut down my razz:
1) I got nothin. (Good job, you win)
2) Your mom. (This was the better response but you still came out on top.)
Man, I love the internet.
Common sense that’s not to common!
Great video! Thank you!
I'm glad you found my video. Thanks for the encouragement!