Why Can’t We Be Happy for Wrexham?
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- čas přidán 15. 04. 2024
- Wrexham have achieved promotion for a second straight year, but the once darlings of the football world now seem to be annoying the masses with their Hollywood ownership and influx of cash.
Do some angry fans have a point? Or is this a case of jealousy and of hating anything that gets over-exposed?
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How can you hate on a team or a show that takes time out from football action to spend a whole show on autism? A series of episodes on the ladies team? They’ve done it the right way, I love this story.
Exactly! In addition to actually producing a winning team, which money doesn’t always buy, they’ve invested in the community, the fans, women’s sports and have been massive advocates for those with special needs. Even if you want to hate these guys you’ve gotta get really creative!
Nailed it
I love what the guys are doing at Wrexham. Being an Ipswich Town fan our new owners have returned the club to benefitting the community which historically was a large part of the clubs objectives.
I was blown away by what they've done to make the stadium accessible, led by Kerry. A sensory room, a quiet stand, raised platforms so that wheelchair users can have a different view and not just for home wheelchair users but the same on the visitors side too. They are thinking of everyone, I think that's awesome.
@@junpi8562 absolutely, they’re use of resources to accommodate the disabled is perhaps their most admirable change
Its not just the team they are helping. They are also helping the town prosper as well. The town was in dire straits. Rob and Ryan loved the fans and the town. Thats why they bought it. Jealousy is a green monster. I love Wrexham.
Wrexham is the reason why I'm even into football as a Canadian without a MLS team near me I had zero connection with the sport but I seen a compilation of best moments from the documentary and got into it from there I now watch every game I can and have a local group fans that get together for big games I honestly believe no other team could have done that to the extent Wrexham has
How can this be a bad thing? You don’t have to be from a town to support a club.
Plus they have one Canadian owner!
It's important to remember too that Wrexham have been in the second and third tiers of the English league system lots of times in their history, being this high in the league system is nothing new to Wrexham, listening to some haters I sometimes feel they just aren't aware of this, or just choose to forget, whereas REAL fans who know their stuff respect Wrexham and don't see what's happening as a Cinderella story at all, a lot of REAL fans see this as something the club deserves after having to endure many years of what was extremely poor ownership. I went to art college in Wrexham for 2 years in the late 80's as a teenager and it's a cracking town full of lovely people, as an adult I'm neither from Wrexham or a Wrexham fan but I couldn't be happier for them, tier 3 is nothing new to them, and I remember them being in tier two for about 4 years straight when I was a kid, they were an incredible team for many years and the best team in Wales at times too, so their decline was heart-breaking, and the only thing which annoys me is the Hollywood FC haters thinking they're getting chances they don't deserve simply because of money, well the way I see it good things happen to good people sometimes, and the people of Wrexham deserve everything which is happening to their club right now, at the end of the day REAL fans aren't annoyed by Wrexham because they respect the history of the club and know all that's happening right now is good ownership is putting them back into leagues they deserve to be in, I will always have a soft spot for Wrexham as I grew up in the same village as club legend Mickey Thomas and will never forget his freekick when they knocked Arsenal out of the FA Cup!
Well said!
I'm from Cardiff and a big Cardiff City fan, but I'm pleased as punch that Wrexham is doing well. Ignore the haters. Wrexham's success is great for Welsh football.
This is a well reasoned response.
It’s all jealousy….but I don’t think the wrexham fans really care about what other fans think…it’s a brilliant rollercoaster..wrexham fans have been in the doldrums for such a long time…and bloody hell….what fantastic owners…
I totally agree and no I don’t think they care either. Their apprehension with the ownership was if the club would lose its identity but it seems like that has been priority 1B to the 1A of winning and the documentary has done more to amplify the club’s history and identity more than anything. I love the story all around.
Honestly as a boy who grew up watching Wrexham playing in the wxm youth system this is nothing short of a fairytale for us. Can we understand the animosity at times? Of course! However shall we shun the support from Rob and Ryan based of others I'll feelings? Again of course not! Thank you for your further exposure, and we will enjoy this whilst it's our time, and I hope to be humble enough to celebrate others' success in the future and bot be bitter.
@@TheTaffy84 I absolutely love this response! Enjoy every second of it and I hope it continues.
Great points! I would also add that the idea of the "underdog story" pertains to the town (its economics, loss of industry, etc.) and the fan base (who previously saved their club with their own money and drove out shady prior owners who were real estate devolopers trying to ruin the club to sell the ground)
Absolutely! It’s not this particular group of 25 players that are underdogs, it’s the history of the club. That’s a huge point people are missing. Well said!
Big Red Dragons supporter here from South Africa. From watching Welcome to Wrexham starting from season 1, it reinvigorated my love for football; previously I had almost lost all interest in sports all together... so I am really grateful to Rob & Ryan, Wrexham and their community for that fact! And as you say, who doesn't love a good underdog story? I cannot wait to see Wrexham AFC get to the Premier League one day, and mark my words, by the time they do that, they will be one of the most popular/followed teams in the whole world! :)
Lastly, I wanted to point something out with regards to people mentioning in the comment that other teams or people are "jealous" of Wrexham because of R&R buying the team etc. It is not actually jealousy that a lot of people are experiencing, but actually envy. I had this pointed out to me when I made a comment on another youtube video from somebody else, and it made a lot of sense when I looked into what they were actually saying:
"Envy is when you want what someone else has, but jealousy is when you're worried someone's trying to take what you have. If you want your neighbor's new convertible, you feel envy. If she takes your husband for a ride, you feel jealousy."
A very good point, it probably is more envy than jealousy, though you could argue that Wrexham took a promotion spot that fans of other clubs feel could have been theirs. I’d say it’s some of both.
@@pitchsidepub for sure, probably a mixture of both envy and jealously perhaps :)
A rising tide lifts all ships. The exposure that Wrexham are getting has a knock on effect. Who outside of the UK had ever heard of Notts County prior to the show?
Only dedicated FIFA Road to Glory enthusiasts! But I agree, the exposure to the lower divisions should benefit everyone.
To be fair Notts County is a bad example, lots of football enthusiasts all over Europe knew them. They even hired Sven-Göran Eriksson about a decade ago not long after he left the job as England manager.
Me and I live in Australia.
100% correct. …… 100%!!!
@@SjomalingPhotography the point is well taken though. The exposure of Wrexham benefits the entire lower levels.
Wrexham rebuilding a Great Proud Team for years. Seeing this Great history of the team. Learning to rebuilding from the ground up. Looking at the team facilities and the way they have players. It ashamed how far they have fallen out of favor with the community.
I dont see Wrexham falling out of favour with their community!!
the whole town is buzzing from what ron n ryan are doing they are gods in wxm
It is total jealousy, every one of the people crying about it would be the ones cheering the loudest if it was happening to their team.
I'm a Liverpool fan had plenty of success and rich owners. There's nothing for me to be jealous about Wrexham.
What I don't like about Wrexham is that this looks like a novelty by some American celebrities. They aren't life long fans, they aren't institutional investors.
As he points out the model is not sustainable. They aren't building long term success.
Let's be real the moment these yanks get bored they'll ditch Wrexham the club will end up bankrupt and fighting for survival again.
Been a wrexham fan since 1984 we have been threw some bad shit over the years and now it has all fallen into place and loving every minute of it . Would unt want any other owners they are genuine and vet highly thought of in wrexham love them to bit's
Sports are all about money and just because that team and not the team you support is getting injected with cash doesn't mean it's wrong or a bad thing. It's just jealousy at the end of the day.
I agree!
Personally I LOVE the hate we get from other teams and fans. I feel like the Emperor from Star Wars....GOOD....I CAN FEEL YOUR ANGER!!!!! I salt my popcorn with the dried tears of jealous football fans.
As you can see from my background I love a good Star Wars reference!
I get people might be upset because my team has been a basket case for years but Wrexham deserved a good story rather than getting annoyed about it. And if I was a Welsh supporter from another team I would be happy that people actually know anything about the team. As someone with Welsh roots it is annoying trying to explain where it is to people.
It's amazing that Forest Green Rovers wage bill is top 5 in the league but they're going to be relegated with another loss. Money doesn't always equate to promotion. I think R&R have hit upon how to ensure Wrexham can maintain the momentum they've gotten - invest in the community, grown your brand and reach globally, build up the secondary and tertiary aspects of the club. Many lower league teams should take notes.
That’s a key point, am I flux of money doesn’t always equate to success. We see it at the top levels too. Chelsea has no return on their financial investment so far. Barcelona has spent their way into a financial crisis. It takes more than money. I’m their case, I believe their marketing brilliance makes the spending more sustainable because it’s not a one-time injection if cash. They’ve created ongoing revenue streams. And they appear to know how to spend it.
We Americans always pull for the underdog. it's just what we do. Before Rob and Ryan bought Wrexham, i, and I'm assuming most Americans never heard of or knew anything about how the pyramid system worked in football in the U.K. We now understand a lot more on how things work. What the two owners have done with their documentary has brought a vast new fanbase to not only Wrexham but also to other teams in the lower teirs. I fine myself checking out what other teams are doing, too. I want to know what notts county is doing and looking to see if stockport won. I think this will end up being a win-win for everyone down the road.
And long shot but maybe he helps bring promotion and relegation to American soccer!
I enjoy being a fan and I enjoy it when I'm attacked for being a new fan! Like what the hell?
Every team in the league benefits from the success of Wrecsam. Whereverer Wrecsam play , the home team often sell out whilst the rest have their season's biggest attendance. As much as they hate us they all want to watch us. Ironic or what?
You 100% right! Its comletly different to those other US-investors / arabian-investors in this football world…. and its reminding me what was important 30-50 years ago in this sport = the regional aspect, the community of Wrexham is on fire. I was there last Saturday witnessing the game and the promotion-festivities etc.
you can have all the money in the world buy the most expensive squad and it's not a guarantee for a championship or promotion once it didn't click and you can also have the lowest budget squad that clicks and it's history , don't know why someone is hating on a club that is blessed by good owners after years and years of struggle. all those "they did a shortcut, it's just money" is really a bad argument, because why won't an owner with a lot of money not use his money to make his/her club have a better percentage of winning?
It’s refreshing to listen to a balanced and fair review of our journey since R&R invested and took over our club
We will always attract the haters, but that’s par for the course.
We have like many other commenting been going to the racecourse through the thick and thin times, but these days quite remarkable times , so just just enjoying the ride
Onwards and upwards , Cmon you reds 🇨🇦🇺🇸 🏴 😀
I like many others now actually watch football. I never had a team I liked or even wanted to like. But now thanks to Rob and Ryan I have a team I like. I now find myself checking the scores every week. while also watching videos of people talking about new player signings for the team. But Rob and Ryan have done it well. They did not just buy a team and try to play football manager with it. They bought a team and put the right people that know what they're doing into the right spots to take care of it.
Those getting annoyed with this wonderful story are almost definitely, jealous. And yes Wrexham has the highest wages bill in League-2 but the 3rd highest is Forest Green Rovers as you know, who are bottom and going down and out of the EFL... so it's not just money. It's getting the right people and having the right supportive ethos - and Wrexham AFC is doing this so well = so success follows. Love this show of yours! Cheers, Philip from Sydney, Australia :)
Thanks Phillip!
The hate is annoying, especially because the haters would NOT be complaining if it were their team that Rob and Ryan chose to buy.
You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned SALFORD CITY!
A real world example that money and tv exposure only take you so far.
Not Jealousy really. A a Stockport fan I do get a bit pissed off with the disproportionate coverage they get when there are other success stories around. We've gone from 6th tier to 3rd in much the same timeframe and get maybe a quarter of the coverage after 3 titles.
I can understand that. But it's not Wrexhams fault theyr owners are also clever business / marketing genius. And beeing famous.. It's a bit unfair, but unfortunatly that's the world we live in. But look what happens in every top league.. hundreds of millions are spend just for wages, buying 1 big name forr 99mio just to sell -shirts for 160.- is the new normal
It's not Wrexhams fault. They picked us, because of our history and our story. And we have been in the championship before. I saw Wrexham beat West Ham 4-3 in 1979
Very good listen, would love to get your thoughts on one of our Livestreams in the near future
I’d love to. Send me details at pitchsidepub@gmail.com
Speaking as a Liverpool fan, it disgusts me to see comments on social media attacking the owners for not doing enough. I've supported the team for 50 years, some great years at the start, a hell of a lot of terrible years in the middle, and some truly dreadful years with the owners before FSG who ONLY cared about money and did nothing to help the team, and damn near bankrupted us...
FSG have flaws - they are not perfect, I don't think any owners ever are. But they've rebuilt a stadium the previous owners wanted to sell for cash. They've built a brand new training center, invested wisely in players when bearing in mind the FFP rules that clubs that are not Manchester City, Real Madrid, PSG, or Barcelona have to follow (and Chelsea in the last two years since the UK government confiscated the club and sold it)...
There's a right way and a wrong way to run a football club. I've seen Liverpool run terribly. My hometown is Bury, where the father of Phil and Gary Neville was on the board of directors for decades. Yet his sons chose to invest in Salford when their home town club that their dad was a director of was going under...
The Wrexham guys are doing a fantastic job, in the right way, and are investing in the community as well. They will hit a ceiling, of course they will. But they both seem to know that already and are putting things in place to make sure that they hit the ceiling like helium balloon rather than a wrecking ball
Agreed about the Wrexham guys. I hope my comments about the FSG guys weren’t taken out of context. I mentioned that I hear a lot about them needing to spend more but I don’t personally believe it. The club is funded more than enough to compete. It’s just something I hear at times.
@@pitchsidepub There was nothing to take out of context. There are a lot of fair weather so called fans of Liverpool who want FSG out because they refuse to bankrupt the club chasing instant success, and those people genuinely annoy the hell out of all true fans who understand that there are rules and restrictions in place for a reason, and attacking the owners for following those rules is stupid
Nail on the head.... Jealousy from other fans (understandably IMO). It's seems it's 'human nature' today, to hate on someone or something that _finally_ has a stroke of unbelievably good fortune....even after years and years of struggles.
Everyone knows the story how the fans of the club refused to let it die - raising over a hundred grand, in less than a day - which in a small, working class town, is just unreal - kids selling their pushbikes, raiding their piggy banks, folk drawing out their savings accounts, offering the deeds to their houses as collateral even, ANYWAY they could raise that money, to save the club being chucked out of the league - just because a scumbag owner had deliberately racked up massive debts hoping he could bust the club - and sell the land for a massive profit.
But NO..... people forget all that, and are bitter and jealous...because they wanted THEIR club to have that stroke of luck.... It's a sign of the times I'm afraid.
Love this passion. This is why it’s such an awesome story!
Love the video. Totally agree. More owners could invest in lower level teams!
This is how i feel 🎉❤. Great Video..
Thank you!
Rob and Ryan paid £2 million for Wrexham - hardly anything in today’s ‘market’. Yes they’ve added to that but they are genuine owners and how many can say that? Time will tell if they stick around but they will leave Wrexham in a better place and for that I am grateful. The two owners have done so much for individuals in the community too, chipping in donations to many, many individuals. What is there to knock? 100% jealousy
Well said!
As someone said in the documentary, if it had happened to a different club, we'd be moaning too. So what? We're not playing friendlies for entertainment. The matches aren't exhibitions, they are battles in a war that repeats each year in every league. We can't be worried about the opposition's fans' feelings.
The issue is fundamentally the UK is quite negative and when you introduce football into it then negativity and hatred creep up, the rest of the world always look for the best in people usually.... just keep on with the positivity, it's fantastic for the community and the club.... haters will always hate buddy.... you only have to look at the premier and championship teams.... they all hate each other.... it's bad trait and it will always be around unfortunately
i liked the show, i think im just waiting for that new season to come out so i can know what happened
Will Stockport County be making a series?
That’s really up to them, isn’t it? But I can guarantee if they had famous owners who could swing them a tv deal that would make the club tons of revenue, yes you’re damn right they would be.
I love my league 1 team Stevenage. But I don’t live there. I live in Orlando and I support my local club, Orlando city. Live football will always win. Go support local.
I have yet to meet anyone here in Europe who dislikes Wrexham, every club has its haters, those of course exist mainly due to rivalry issues. But speaking to football fans at the local pub I have only heard positive things about Wrexham and their consecutive promotions.
That’s good to hear. There’s no doubt in my mind that the negativity I saw this past weekend, which motivated me to make this video, is driven in no small part by the fact that Twitter is where I get a large portion of my football engagement from and is a cesspool of negativity. I wish anyone at my local pub had any interest in this sort of thing, though the exposure from the documentary probably makes them more capable of discussing Wrexham than breaking down Jurgen Klopp’s pressing style.
Great video, but your point about Salford City 'not doing shit' was wrong. They had never *ever* been as high as the Football League in their history, they have always been amateur/semi-pro, and were two leagues where Wrexham were when taken over and got three promotions within 5 years into League Two where they finally hit a plateau. Wrexham are more of a sleeping giant with the past history of being a professional, successful team, the stadium infrastructure and fanbase etc. to tap into. Salford just don't have the historical fanbase to help support that growth.
All fair points and “not doing shit”
was more snarky than detailed, but to the point of everyone assuming money and exposure would lead to immediate success, I think everyone immediately assumed after they were purchased by the United players that they’d go shooting up the pyramid and that hasn’t happened. Not to diminish them getting to league two, but now everyone seems to think just having famous owners and outspending your opponents means automatic continued success and Salford is actually a great example of why it’s not. But your points are very correct they did have a much larger mountain to climb.
@@pitchsidepub Oh yeah for sure. I think it's the notion that two opposites can be true at the same time. Teams can spend a lot of money and can go up, but can also spend money and not make progress after a certain point. It still requires good management and shrewd spending. I'm a united fan and our owners have been leeching money, our spending has been utterly atrocious - how much for Anthony and Maguire? When we could have spent on far better value for better quality. One of the biggest things Wrexham did well was immediately bringing in an experienced CEO, and Shaun Harvey to the board. They all have the club, and the community's, best interest at heart.
Great video brother 👍 Up the Worldwide Reds 🏴🇺🇸🇨🇦🇧🇷🇦🇷❤️
Thank you!
Cardiff fans tend to like Wrexham, I mean, the friendliness isn't reciprocated usually but it's whatever.
Couldnt care less about the haters i.e.stocpot ,scabs ,sagpies etc full of boring ,ignorant types.We are league 1 and NL record points champions.
The future is bright,the future is Red ! UTST1864.
I don’t know all of those names but I’m gonna learn em. Love it!
Well said. You just won a follower.
Welcome!
Background sound is too high for those using headphones… fights with your speech.
Noted thank you
Who wouldn’t be a fan of wrex?
I thought the same thing until this weekend, but I saw a ton of hate on Twitter (I know, I know) about them “buying promotions” and things of that nature.
Then there’s stuff like this from the League Two community:
www.reddit.com/r/LeagueTwo/s/f4MsWB0zHC
And that’s a mild one, but there’s a groundswell of hate that I’ve only seen over the past week or two that I just don’t understand, other than it’s jealousy. Otherwise this is just an awesome story and we’d all be trying to replicate it if we were famous movie stars.
The promotion/relegation system is the fairest system and great for those climbing the ladder but is also the reason for the never ending financial chaos of the clubs and why there’s constantly clubs being bought/sold. The best clubs are the ones with owners willing to literally burn cash with no expectation of profit (i.e. man city). It’s a wholly unsustainable model for 99% of owners
The MLS model is based on sustainability with revenue sharing (to help the struggling clubs and maintain competitive balance) and a salary cap (most recent salary cap was $4.9M, lower than wrexham’s). It follows the NFL model n actually leads to profitability across the league. Obviously no relegation but the US doesn’t have enough quality clubs for that to really even be an option.
So the MLS model makes ownership predictable and somewhat profitable and leads to a balanced league while the FA model is much more exciting for fans and allows anyone to climb the ladder but also makes ownership, for the most part, an unpredictable money pit because success is directly linked to how much money you’re willing to lose. Pros and cons for both I guess. Cheers
I’d argue that the MLS model is WILDLY profitable for owners, maybe not on an annual basis but on the certainty of franchise value appreciation year over year. That also comes at the expense of player salaries which are suppressed thanks to a salary cap. So while it does add an element of competitive balance to the equation, it also is incredibly favorable towards the owners at the expense of the players.
Additionally, there is more than enough infrastructure for lower level teams in America to create a Perfectly adequate second and third division. In fact, you could make a very easy argument that MLS itself has about 10 teams, too many and a third of the league should be the start of a second division. Not to mention how much those lower division teams would be buoyed by an open system that gave them the chance to actually be promoted and even more, so yes, a trickle down revenue sharing system was implemented in the way that lower division English teams receive a small portion of premier league television money.
So the only real pro-argument to a closed system is if you are an owner and want the cost certainly of your franchise value, which they have the right to fight for given the exorbitant franchise fees many of them had to pay. That’s the biggest obstacle at the moment.
All fair points. The salary cap should definitely be higher if they ever want to compete with any top flight euro league. Also agree that lower leagues could be formed starting w the worst mls teams. I think the quality would drop off significantly at the start but would improve over the years.
MLS and it’s lower leagues would also be competing with 4 other well-established pro leagues (NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB) for ticket sales, sponsorships, etc, which isn’t the case in the UK
@@Cheebahawk236 yeah for sure more competition here though I think they’d blow NHL out of the water. By some metrics MLS already does. And despite being a lifelong baseball fan, I think if done right it could surpass baseball too.
They hate Wrexham cause is not happening to them 😂
Definitely a lot of that happening
It all comes down to money. Now tell me there's no money involved in the premier league.
Look at League one & the championship, still extremely high.
You’re right, Chelsea has purchased their way to [checks notes] 9th place.
What will all haters say next season when they see the wage bill for the majority of the league one teams they’re joining, they’re triple if not quadruple what Wrexhams currently is, Ryan & Rob are going to have to dig deep from here on in, but I’m sure with the right sponsorship etc they’ll do it.
Not really true. There are only 5 teams in League One currently who have a higher wage bill than Wrexham. Two more players of high league one standard or perhaps even championship standard and Wrexham would be second in the league not too far behind Derby.
I’m not sure their current business model of just outspending the competition is going to be sustainable but they’ve also been pretty open about that. They’ll have to continue to generate more revenue to keep up, but they’ve also been really creative on how they do that.
Graduate to league 1, ??! in the U.K. we call it promotion . Quite surprised you don’t call it soccer 🤔
I’ll bet you’re fun at parties
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Not sure why people always just revert to “you’re just jealous” when someone else doesn’t like something
Depends on the arguments being made, which in this case I’ve all found to be quite weak.
Greetings from Finland! Sometimes you kinda miss the bigger picture. We are talking about Football as a sport and what we as fans would like it to be. I have followed the UK top leaque since the 80s and most of the time it has been great. Then the criminals from Russia, Middle East and what not ruined the joy with their dirty money. Do we want that or do we want to watch and follow a club and follow a story bigger than just the game? I do. "Anybody" could have bought Wrexham. These guys are not tycoons or some shady "business men". Their only fault seems to be, that everybody likes them and they are famous. But do not think for a second that all this has just fallen from the sky😮😊. And to the other fans, millions of "new" people are also watching your team and I think your team sponsors are not wery sad about that😅❤❤❤.
Maybe something got lost in translation because I said variations of almost all of that. Not sure what bigger picture I’m missing, but welcome from Finland!
@@pitchsidepub Hello! I was not commenting what you said. Fully agree! I just tried to confirm what you said that we fans/people need stories like that. And even here we have our own "fan club" for teams with similar stories. Like Afc Wimbledon vs. MK Dons. What a crazy story. All the best from Finland☃⚽🤩
All that money, sitting in 3rd 😬 jokes aside, I like what the owners are doing for the club and community, but Wrexham were favourites to win the league and/or get promotion at the beginning of the season so they've achieved what was expected of them. It's going to be good to see how they do in L1 now
The people that are pissed off are just jealous cause they (Rob and Ryan) are the the stereotypical owners that people actually want. They care about the community in Wales, interact with them and even listen to them regarding needs for the club. And the others who hate them i.e. people like Simon Jordan from talksport they are just a-holes who are failures at football management that can't understand how two "hollywood stars" can do a way way better job than people who dedicate their lives to it....its actually sad. The way he talks about them is pathetic.
We love the fact people are fuming ❤😊🏴⚽