The Mystery of the Bili Ape
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- čas přidán 16. 05. 2024
- A big project I've been working on, about a subject I don't hear anyone else talk much about: the legendary Congo Apes said to be "Lion Killers". This video is longer and slower than my other videos, but I hope it's' enjoyed.
Wikipedia Article for the animal. There's not much there but in case you want to look at it here it is: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bili_ape
Sources Used:
Karl’s Ammann’s Website karlammann.com/bili.php#.X1FA...
Articles influenced by Shelly Williams
karlammann.com/pdf/new-scienti...
skeptoid.com/episodes/4689
www.theguardian.com/science/2...
Articles focusing on Cleve Hicks (both factual and unfactual)
www.discovermagazine.com/plan...
anthropology.net/2007/07/17/b...
Other Valuable bits of information:
usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/...
www.nbcnews.com/dateline/sear...
web.archive.org/web/200711181...
web.archive.org/web/200711181...
(Non Royalty Free) videos used:
Note: All videos should presumably fall under fair use, as not only is a small fraction of the video used, but my video and the means I use these videos falls under education.
Christian VIGNA Video: • Les éléphants de Nyoni...
Lukuru Foundation Video: • The Bili Ape
Cleve Hicks' Video: • Bili apes: First conta...
Science Bob Video: • Elephant's Toothpaste ...
EVNautilus Video: • Googly-eyed Stubby Squ...
More clips of Bili chimpanzees here: czcams.com/video/kyp2P4ywHF0/video.html czcams.com/video/_Zi-1oeGhh4/video.html czcams.com/video/X2H5s7vNgms/video.html czcams.com/video/PHp1lFeLfqw/video.html czcams.com/video/z8A30gacZSg/video.html
Thank you so much Dr Hicks!
@@TheBudgetMuseum My pleasure. And thanks for your interest in the Bili chimpanzees!
The bravery of scientists who go into the wilds to gain biological knowledge is admirable!
@@balazsvarga1823 It is also so much fun!
@@thurstonclevehicks Hunting and killing lions sounds ridiculous.
Maybe the real Bili ape was the friends we made along the way
My friends are ugly as fuck……
My friends looked like apes anyway
My friend: you think I’m a big dumb ape?
Hahaha bro your comment is funny as hell. That's like the moral of the whole story
😂
There's a theory in biology called Island dwarfism/gigantism where species get larger/smaller on islands compared to their mainland relatives. I'm guessing the jungle acts like an island and since nutrients are abundant and they are the only creature filling their niche they are able to grow to larger then average size
Adaptation
I've never heard of insular gigantism. Only insular dwarfism.
The mechanisms of evolution are not limited to Natural selection (adaptation) and Sexual selection (who gets chosen to breed by opposite sex). There is also Genetic drift/stochastic forces, and there is Founder effect/limited genepool.
Likely they were a small population that became pretty isolated (this doesn't have to mean geographically, it could be behaviorally, or both).
The population is large enough, or has enough few outsiders joining, that they aren't totally inbred into extinction via deleterious mutations, however, they just don't have the genetic diversity that most chimp populations do.
Also it's not uncommon for the most high ranked males to do most/all of the mating, whereas most females get to breed.
Let's say some brothers take over the male hierarchy, and their family carries some bizarre neutral mutations for great size and crest, well maybe the size and crest was what gave them an edge... and say it's X linked so descendents of both sexes can carry this gene. You may wind up with a small population where this look predominates.
Then you can explain most of the behaviors because of size. Because they are big/heavy, nesting in branches causes accidents so they learn to make nests on ground. Chimps and orangutans differ in behaviors from troop to troop, there are troops that wash their food first, or use certain sticks for termite gathering etc. They have "cultures". So these guys developed a culture of nesting on ground. Occassionally, when a leopard has stalked or threatened them, some of the biggest males kill it. Chimps hunt monkeys as teams and can seem extremely blood thirsty, they can even hunt one of their own species and all tear him apart. So Occassionally a few have taken down a leopard. Thus the "lion killer" legends.
The only thing that doesn't derive easily is the odd apathy. Could be due to how this solo villages ancestors interacted with locql wildlife for thousands of yrs. Maybe they never hunted Chimps bcus there was other meat plentiful, or bcus these Chimps were bigger, or for spiritual reasons. So these Chimps learn to ignore men and no reason to fear, there just seen as strange hairless Chimps too "stupid" to understand troops communications.
Anyway some or all or none of that can be true. My point is just that it can all derive as cascade effects from an initial situation of a small, pretty isolated population, and with hierarchy and thus genes dominated by a certain family of large, robust genetic freaks.
@@rickwrites2612 thanks
@@Kurus-pq7xw an example of it is the kākāpō! It's a giant, flightless, nocturnal parrot that lives only on a couple islands around New Zealand. They became larger because of the lack of predators, and abundance of food.
I genuinely feel this is the first proper, no-nonsense video on the "Bili Ape", thank you for this!
Yeah yeah the CZcamsr doesn’t care
Bob Gymlan did one about it awhile ago.
I disagree. The first 10 minutes was very deceptive and misleading.
@@peterthompson8014 why? I want to learn
Sounds like a hoax or a joke. Feral? Howls at the moon? Hunts and eats lion? Is that not ringing a bell for anyone else? Sounds a lot like Goku from the original Dragon Ball (not Z).
Humans with extra growth hormone will have brow ridges, too. It's kind of natural in primates, generally. Remember what Andre the Giant looked like? All that bone above his eyes? Or "Jaws" from James Bond movies? There's a condition called "acromegaly" where the glands are just a little over-active, and you get great big people with big bony faces, knuckles, etc. Some are darn near crippled by it if it's too extreme. Sometimes, you just see a really big person!
These apes are Humanzees. Chimp human hybrid species
This can also occur from having a high amount of testosterone. Specifically the brow ridge being being more pronounced. My husband has a very prominent brow and jawbone. I call him a Neanderthal all the time.
@@mrhead2781 I have a friend who definitely does, but she’s suuuuper short, like, her head is lower than my shoulders, and I’m not that tall.
Look at valuev the boxer lol
@@mrhead2781 Where is your evidence that these apes are humanzees? Or are you just confusing your imagination with reality?
"Large males consistently flee from humans"
that's how they grew to be so large.
TRUE
4:15. "when encountered by humans
, the apes would be completely fearless"
Im sure the big cats that can climb sometimes hunt young or old/sick chimps, wouldn't be surprised if some are killed by adult chimps defending their troop. 2 to 3 chimps would probably take out a leopard without too much trouble if they were so inclined. They are insanely strong, fast, and have insane bite and grip strength.
Also, it's not a huge surprise there is a group of huge chimps...Look at NFL linemen next to your average adult male...
@@alantaylor6691 you gotta admit though, they still look ripped af
Leopards are highly opertunistic predators especially young leopards, some leopards have even been recorded to take down 900kg Eiland. So it wouldn't surprise me that therr are leopards probably a young one with less hunting experience took a chance on a chimp, but I doubt one or two adult chimps can take down a full grown 80 -90kg leopard a leopard at that size is even a chellenge for a female lion. Leopards are known to even kill male gorillas and I doubt a large chimp can stand up to a male gorilla. Chimp hunt in packs and that gives them at advantage, so 3 or more chimps together could probably kill a 50kg or less leopard
@@reharp2037 hi Reharo. Yes chimps are ripped af. Chimps are unique among the great apes in having a super low body fat percentage. 1% for males and 3 - 4 % for females. All other wild great apes are similar to fit humans in body fat percentage.
And as you know with humans, being cut makes you look more muscly. For example strongmen have more muscle mass than in season bodybuilders but because the bodybuilders are cut they appear far more muscle bound.
Not to say chimps aren’t good on muscle mass, but due to body fat percentage down around the 1% for males, they appear far more muscle bound than they would with a higher body fat.
In arms the average male chimp is about 1.5 times stronger than the average man. In legs, slightly less. But in a fight they will beat the average man by more than 1.5 times over on account of their maul.
Look at all chimp and gorilla attacks on humans and it’s always the maul that causes all the damage. They don’t have King Kong strength to rip us limb from limb like is popularly claimed
@@alantaylor6691
Did you read what the author of this " study" wrote about themself??? They are " Sauron", or " rather, Sauron as he should have been". They claim to be " CEO at Mordor Social Services Inc. for the Rehabilitation and Support of All Black Creatures1954-present" and studied at the " school of hard knocks".
I'm open to the idea that past concepts of the relative strength of various primates may be inaccurate, but, please, find a ( muuuuuuch) better source than this one if you are going to try to convince anyone of anything.
I highly doubt that considering leopards are fully capable of killing full healthy male chimps
Seems like a fairly isolated population of chimps that just run large and tend toward a crestlike structure, maybe due to founder effect. Say a few brothers dominated the local troops male hierarchies and thus contributed most of the local male DNA (female chimps all get to breed so a founder effect in them would be more pronounced if introduced through the dna of males who dominated breeding). Especially if it was x linked alot of the future generation members of both sexes could carry the gene. Then you have a population that trends toward the large and robust, they may Break tree nests branches so pass down to kids to nest on ground. Chimps do pass on learned behaviors and these have been known differ from population to population or troop to troop, ie what kind of termite sticks they use, etc.
Oh OK, got to the end of video, he basically says this lol.
It is somehow like the Kodiak bears, thats what it reminds me of
Yeah, that's a pretty normal sequence of events. It even explains why larger ground bedding individuals might be more wary than the younger and simply smaller, and why they might need to be fearless in dealing with predators. Its an adaptive cascade.
The dead chimp pictured being held by two men doesn't even look abnormally large. It just looks like an average size adult male. Maybe the fact that it is a bit closer to the camera and also that the men are squatting creates an illusion of greater size. Plus people in that region are typically small in size. Also I think most people's idea of what a chimpanzee looks like is largely determined by movies and tv shows which generally include juvenile chimps.
I thought that too, the chimp in the picture is just a chimp, and maximum-weight chimps can top out at 200-lbs anyway, so this picture isn't out of the ordinary. The jaw size, which is much larger than human jaws, gives the illusion of size as well.
That chimp is huge and those people are not small. They are clearly bigger than average Chimps. Scientists agree on this much.
You have to remember african humans are typically a lot shorter as well
@@limpa756 you can't make blanket statements like that. Africans are among the tallest people on the planet. The widest variations of humans exist in AFRICA.
From the shortest to the tallest.
@@limpa756 There are african tribes that average shorter heights as there are african tribes that average very tall heights...
In the Tutsi tribe, located in rwanda (central africa) men average an austounding height of 1.83 meters... While another different tribe called the Mbutsi tribe, from the Democratic Republic of the Congo (also central africa, not that far from the Tutsis), men average a height of just 1.37 meters tall... So yeah you get the point.
This is a lesson in sensationalized zoology. Never believe extreme claims. Still, this seems like an interestingly distinct tribe even if taxonomically, they’re undistinguishable from chimpanzees.
It's like the Hutus and Tutsis
😂😂😂.
You've clearly never heard of the well documented 3 year war.
go look into that and tell me its made up.
Take a good look at those Chimps chief.
Eeeeeejit
Never believe extreme claims without good evidence to back them. Keep an open mind, but remain skeptical until it is proven.
That should be the way people approach things like this. But they always seem to wander to one or the other extreme. Either believing it like a religious person's faith in a higher power or completely dismissing it as impossible and heckling people for even looking into the matter.
@@girlbuu9403 ... 100% And its frustrating. Seems like every good idea gets taken down a rabbit hole
Maybe these chimps that are larger are actually on their way to becoming a subspecies or a new species itself. We are just discovering them at a very early stage of them becoming a new species. They are larger in size so maybe there is more to come!
Question is do they exist anywhere else on earth if not do they have similar adaptions like the mountain gorilla like resistance to inbreeding it's actualky been proven some animals like certain primates can survive at low populations with only hundreds of individuals because of of there genes.
I hope they survive and evolve long after us
Or maybe they lieing that they regular chimps to keep this species safe
Apparently they don’t even act aggressive or fearful toward people. They just inspect you.
New species??? Impossible.
Nice video, they're just big buff chimps, not some bizarre cryptid animals.
People really tend to overexaggerate their sizes (Joe Rogan for example) and say Bili apes are 6ft tall. If I'm not mistaken, researchers did have one Bili chimp named Kermit who was described as being the size of a female gorilla and weighed between 270-300 lbs. Kermit was shorter than average human but much larger than a regular-sized chimp and hyperactive as fuck.
Yeah I believe their maximum height is still exceptionally large (5 feet or so) but nowhere near 2 meters. I haven't actually heard of the Captive Ape your referring to. The one in the video is a female named "Bili" who appears to be rather an average chimpanzee in terms of size.
@@TheBudgetMuseum I was thinking of the chimp in this video: czcams.com/video/4riL1EPv2VA/video.html
The video was recorded before youtube existed and uploaded over 10 years ago before they concluded that Bili apes are just chimps, so the description of that video is still outdated.
Randall Savage came from this group
Change my mind
Just like sizes in pornography
@@Sterlicht-Verheugen 🤣😂🤣
Always fun to see isolated-Gigantism taking place, seems like a pretty solid example of that, considering how relatively isolated that stretch of jungle is, compared to most others that are ether easily accessable by both predators and competition, or been wrecked by humans.
i fail to see how this part of the jungle is isolated for apes. from human perspective, yes very much, but for apes?
May the CZcams algorithm treat this with grace
*suspenseful music*
"It's just a chimp. No, seriously, it's just a plain old chimp."
LMAO
That was a very well made video if I ever seen one! You did a tremendous job with you research and the editing was on point! I really hope your channel will grow!
Congo is so large there is probably TONS of new species not discovered yet just like in the oceans... crazy to think there is still more out there hidden deep!
Lmao there is math you can do, only like ten or twenty species are left to find in the ocean
@@colt4518 ???
@@colt4518 I don't think you fully understand how little we know about what's in our waters
The oceans thing is not entirely accurate. Most of the ocean we haven’t explored yet would be impossible to live in due to pressure. We’ve discovered most of the livable parts of the ocean, so while there are possible new species to discover, it’s likely a very small number.
@@colt4518 There's a lot more than that, but they're mostly insect species or other small creatures.
Thank you for this video, it is the most comprehensive video about the Bili ape that I have yet seen on CZcams, with more complete and accurate information not found in the others!! Well done and thank you again!
Very interesting i can see you put a lot of work into the project,i liked that you put descriptions on the photos so none of the photos can be interpreted out of context,i loved your words at the ending and the pace and structure of the video.
This was a brilliant video from a narrative design level, a research level and just general presentation! I'm only just now getting into your channel but it's definitely great from the video topic choices, content chosen and more specific the level of research and attention to detail.
I felt this was a great historical and biological dive into real-life zoological research and had parts crytpid debunking, parts comparative zoology and parts real-life research from the field. What a cool journey!
This was SO interesting. I really enjoyed it! I appreciated your final conclusions. A good lesson and needed by everyone, not only for those who traverse foreign jungles to hunt legends and enigmas. Well done, and well presented!
Amazing video, can't believe it's on such a small channel. Really hope you grow.
The legends say the bili ape protects an ancient city in the heart of the congo
really???
There’s a book and movie about that you know?
Ia, ia! Congthulhu fhtagn!
@@jeffharden2797 Congo by Michael Crichton! I loved that book
Arrr the 1990s Congo wasn't a bad movie.
While my favorite dinosaur is probably a dilophosaurus or the velociraptor, sauropods have a special place in my heart as I was obsessed with them as a child. So the fact that one was found called Dreadnoughtus nonetheless, to find out how off they were about the size was extremely disappointing. Any knowledge is good knowledge, but misinformation just ruins the happiness surrounding it.
Apehtrpodaur is my favorite!
Parasauralaphus is my favorite 💖
This has been the best and most informative video on this subject so far! 👍🏻
Would be nice if researchers and locals didn't kill all the big ones to take a look at them.
I think the poachers go after the big males as trophies, which is why they're so timid.
@@harrymills2770 no if that was the case we would hear more about them. They live in a very very hard part to reach in the Congo forest which is the 2nd biggest rain forest in the world.
Think how many parts of the amazon is still unexplored but add the fact Congo is unstable and you might run into Joseph Kony there, they got more shit to worry about.
Joe Rogan watched half this video
Joe Rogan is full of snot
@@steveessig6739 yep, sadly was a fan for awhile until it became very regular for him to change his stance on controversial issues. I don't doubt or know one way or the other about Sasquatch but he was open to the idea as should most intelligent people that can't find proof one way or the other, then out of no where he began his "it's just a bunch of unfkable white guys"
I couldn't believe he took that route because I really thought he was very intelligent. Sadly to me, if thousands of people (many of which don't want any fame or credit) report sightings and encounters of a massive upright or bipedal being in areas where no other ape would ever be, it's just ignorant to write it off. Especially by saying "it's just a bunch of unfkable white guys" 😐
@@j_toledo419 people change their minds, deal with it
@@valenj.9307 ong lmao
@@j_toledo419 so he's not intelligent because he doesn't believe that there's a giant ape in America, walking on 2 legs, seen everywhere but without any credible evidence? Maybe you're the not so intelligent one.
"Billy come eat dinner"
"No Mom I'm learning about my long lost brothers"
Yeah
Can you begin linking your classical music selections, I've heard these songs before but I can never find their names. The one you used in the build up bili ape reveal threw some nostalgia at me.
If you're referring to the piece starting at 09:17, it's Antonín Dvořák's symphony No. 9 ''From the New World'', the 4th movement. It was driving me nuts, so did some internet sleuthing.
Love that piece. Any clue on the piano music at the end?
@@AnthonyNaslas Pretty sure it's Chopin's Nocturne op. 9 no. 2
@@timpasschier3936 That sounds like it! Thanks so much!
Oh, man, this is some nostalgia. I remember avidly researching Bili apes back when I was in elementary school. That was before the DNA testing had been done, though, and I lost interest before they made the final call on whether or not the population was a new subspecies or not.
Cool to know that they got their answer. Obviously, I'm not advocating for continuing armed conflict in the area, but I do hope that the wilderness areas of the Congo region remain relatively unbothered by humans.
Please write another paper and tell me more about your elementary school research
The story was very well told so thanks just the same! It's important to note that there ARE local/native tales that sound incredible but turned out to be true- a good example would be the indonesian tales of the Ebu Gogo on the inland of Flores. Look it up!
Also, when europeans began communicating with native americans from the interior of north america, various tribes all told consistently of some huge, colossal animal with a long nose that worked like an arm- they were of course talking of the woolly mammoth.
going back to the greeks, the nemean lion may have been a european cave lion as heracles killed it in a cave. trolls may be scandanavian stories about the last neanderthals. I find that interesting. We may be getting an inadvertent anthropology lesson that neanderthals lived in small family units often in caves, disliked loud noises, and hoarded many things in their cave, and toward the end when they were dwindling kidnapped young travelers so they could have a mate.
thumbs Up for good solid research & for the courage to air your findings!
oh my gawd another awesome channel discovered. keep doing what you're doing man. some like me are just seeing your channel for the first time. i'm sure you'll snowball to a 100k subs in no time.
Our cousins seem to fall under the same rules that we do, such as gaining specific traits pertaining to their group and environment
Thank you so much for taking the time to put this together.
@Antique Appraisal Interesting comment, "Antique Appraisal".
First video I watched on your channel and I'm hooked! Fascinating stuff man
And now we know the rest of the story. Kudos TBM for sharing. Great 'Presentation'!
Oh my!.. I think I have found a new favourite channel 😍👌
There is almost always a bit of truth in most legends. But whatever the truth may be I would prefer that they be left alone or studied from a distance as most animal interactions with humans end badly for the animals.
What a superb and measured presentation. Thank you.
I absolutely love your work , thank you!
Commenting to help the algorithm. Great work, checked out your Great Apes vid and subbed :)
This was an actually amazing video
That lead up with "new world" was spectacular! Worth the wait!!
Surprisingly informative, excellent job with your research! Thank you!
So essentially chimps have different ethnic groups and these guys are essentially the larger warrior culture. Ape Spartan Norsemen? An isolated apaclachian clan with a slightly over active pituitary gland? It’s kind of nice to know that we’re not the only apes to do this stuff
Even if all of our immediate relatives are dead at least the chips are just as bad of “people” as we are
Orcas have a similar thing to races as well. I believe "races" or ethnic groups can appear in any intelligent animal with culture
Any population isolated for long enough will have traits beneficial to survival in it's territory become more pronounced. Evolution, as science understands it, doesn't stop.
Bili apes may have been isolated for long enough to develop characteristics that would reduce if reunited with the parent group.
This is the most incredibly well made CZcams videos I have seen in a while and I watch a shit load of videos similar to yours I have just never seen your channel before
It's 6 am where I live and I just finished this video. It's always a great start to the morning when I've learned something new. Thank you for making this video about Bili apes. What a great story about hoe a genuinely interesting research subject can be dampened by selfish scientists.
7:37 hell yeah, return to monke
In all seriousness, this is a super cool and interesting video
Thank you so much for this video
It's a shame that people only seem to care about conservation methods when something new seems to exist, it's not surprising, but it's a shame.
So glad to have found this channel. 😊
Your videos are great. It was nice to get to hear the Noctures as well.
This video reminds me of a computer activity I did at my elementary school. Basically, they showed us an article about Tree Octopus and we had to do conclude if we believed it. It was made to teach us about false information and to look into sources of articles. Cool lesson to teach kids.
Tree octopus sounds AWESOME though, and I wish this was a legit cryptid I could half-guiltily/half-ironically watch documentaries about and almost yearn to believe in.
Thank You for your research.
I like the exploited
Great video, and I love the subtle classical background music!
Very interesting! Thank You for the video and information 👍
“Are they some new species ,a sub species a hybrid species” Well you see it’s none they’re just built different
Thank you so much for making this video. I first heard of Bili Apes like 2 years ago, felt it was a little too good to be true but still believed they were a very peculiar undiscovered subspecies of chimpanzee. Then, a few months ago I saw them being listed as Eastern Chimpanzees.
The large Congo has tons of undiscovered animals, just like the oceans, areas humans haven’t touched. They discovered only a few new species so far..
@@TheBaBaTV only half of canada is explored
This is very well done and informative.
Thank you SO much for this! This has made me even more curious about this population of chimps!
Seeing all those pictures I was like "that's just a chimp!", "that's a large chimp, doesn't look like anything else to me".
- "in the end, the Bili ape turned out to be just a chimp"
*surprised pikachu face*
Every species has unnaturally large spawns sometimes I mean, we are also Primates, and not everyone is the average height of 5'9, I'm 6' myself, and someone like Shaq is 7'1, also the tallest person on record is 8'3", so it is indeed odd how large these chimps are, but, it's nothing we've never heard of before
I appreciate this in depth analysis! On the Billi ape!
really interesting clip well done !!
What a great lesson for science deniers and silly belief believers on how science is self repairing and just generally not a good place to attempt to spread misinformation....thanks for the research and video, I found it extremely interesting.
What relevance does that have to science deniers? Why would you even mention science deniers? they're just going to deny it. Just like flat-earthers seem to figure out a way to explain away pictures of the Earth from space. I personally think these people know the Earth is round, they are just assholes, who can't stop trolling
@@zenolachance1181 I was referencing the point that some make about science being controlled by a select few and decided by opinion more so than individuals that just deny it. I could have been a bit clearer on that.
@@michaelfox2433 got it
Well when you think about it, it makes sense. There is even an example in humans. There's a Russian boxer by the name Valuev who was 7ft tall and had a prominent brow ridge that made him look like a missing link between modern and ancient human species. So these apes were so isolated that it's natural certain genetic traits like being larger than normal would be more common.
Thank you algorithm for sending me here. Subscribed.
i cannot explain in words how much i love your monkey related videos. they make me so happy
I think it's even more interesting acknowledging that such physical & social diversity exists within one species, especially one that's so closely related to homo sapiens.
Its not at all interesting. Look at humans, indeginous humans that life in jungles tend to be much smaller than for example african humans that life in a steppe or flat lands. We humans even have midgets and giants. So its nothing special that in our closest relatives there are differences in appearance, strength and social structures. Its evolution and we humans are nothing more than hairless apes, so we just need to look at ourselves to make predictions about other living apes.
It also does in our species, espresso in Africa. There is a tribe from the Congo forest called the Baka, which were historically known as Pygmies. There is another tribe in Rwanda called the Tutsi, which is arguably the tallest tribe in Africa.
Here in Canada we have found wolf coyotes, Coywolfs. A mix. In Nature it is possible.
@Jason O'Connor
No, they actually can reproduce, just looked it up.
Coyotes and wolves are in the same genus, Canis, as they are much more closely related to each other than chimps are to gorillas. Chimps are closer to us than to gorillas.
BillyWolf
First of all.....thoroughly enjoyed this, no over dramatising and filled with facts without ANY boredom! I can admit that when I normally make comments I pause the video but with this I watched it all the way through! Wonderful!
On to my next points, I can kind of understand why someone would lie to get funding, let's face it funding for the more obscure research is thin on the ground but it not only negates the research made which could be completely factual but makes fund hunting harder for others! And finally, surely you are going to have genetic anomalies in family groups exactly the same way we have in our own families?
Thank you for this information. ❤
they start to nest on the ground when they get older or if they become more familar with their surrounding
Welcome brother the algorithm brought all us here. Now we can return to monke and ape
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No, I am not disappointed, and I enjoyed the slow style of your video. Don't dumb yourself down! ❤️😘
What a ripping yarn. I enjoyed it immensely, thank you
You couldn't pay me to go to the Congo! That place is where the stuff of nightmares thrives. Everything's bigger faster more poisonous and all around deadlier . That being said I would love to see video of others exploring the densest parts if there's anyone crazy enough to wear a go pro through there. There's places on earth that are still prehistoric and the Congo is the best example I can think of.
True, the amazon is larger but congo is much less explored
I remember this specifically because I have a lot of friends who are bigfoot enthusiasts. They were all like "AH HA this vindicates us" then it turned out to be all faked and they were pretty mad about it.
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Well done. Surprised this doesn't have more views.
You definitely kept it honest, I to am a little sad, any new species is exciting, but they are animals, and amazing animals 👋🙂 thank you for your hard work and research 🦧👍🦘🇦🇺🦘.
It's not surprising, some primates might have great abilities to avoid/ eluded human and maybe they understand that this act determins their survival, it doesn't mean they don't exist, just like Crocodiles, Alligators, Caymans and maybe more we might not know yet.
There is also a species of Bili which reside in hilly regions, aka hillbillies...
Really nice video, many thanks OP.
Thanks for sharing such amazing and interesting research.
I think some of particularly the older photos of hunted bili apes probably make them look larger because the men in the picture may be significantly smaller than we assume.
I don't know if there are any indigenous peoples one might classify as "pygmies" in this area of the congo (though I have heard mention of a short people called twa or something like that in the context of the rwandan genocide). but even not genetically small men in africa, and certainly during the horrific colonization of the congo, may have not reached a tall height due to malnutrition. it would also presumably have been common for the white people taking these photographs to select small natives to pose with the dead animals to deliberately exaggerate the size of the animal.
there are twa people in the congo, and they average 1.5m in height.
Bili is in the northeast, there are Asua Efe and Kango pygmies in that region but not exactly at Bili apparently
Well almost 100 subscribers, it won't be the biggest or the most important reaching but it's still something
"Well almost 100 subscribers, it won't be the biggest or most important reaching but it's still something"
That's what you sound like, stinky boy
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just found this channel, you make great videos
Bruh these videos are fire. I don't even really care about animals like that. But your videos are so interesting I gotta subscribe.
Here is an interview in which I discuss what it is like to work with chimpanzees, as well as the inspiration behind my children's book: czcams.com/video/zhqf0jjIYhk/video.html
I will add my own first hand experience here about chimpanzees, they are very smart. They learn extremely fast and have a culture and things that they teach their young.
Groups of chimps have often been recorded hunting mammals as a troop and while I doubt they’d necessarily ever hunt lions it’s certainly possible that they’d be able to kill lions, especially if they’re isolated.
They’d perceive the lion as a threat by default
^When he literally says all this in the closing statements. ^
Especially as revenge for killing young/territorial disputes.
Glad I found this on my binge through Monkey and Ape related content.
I'd love to watch more of your vids after seeing this one.
You just convinced me in this video that just like normal people, some scientists (with PHDs and all) will still lie about things just to further their careers. We shouldn’t just take a person’s word for anything just because they have the word “Doctor” before their name. We have to do our own research and examine other people’s research to reach a conclusion.
I think my mother in law might be a Bili ape
I gave a like and subscribe because this was a quality video. Nice
When I was a kid, I had a Del Ray Star Wars book called “The Essential Guide to Alien Species”, circa ~2000. At 18:07 he’s using the same image of a human from that book to compare size to the Dreadnaughtus! A fun reminder of my childhood and (fingers crossed) a deliberate nerdy Easter egg
16:00 "VERY REAL ANIMAL FOUND IN MY BACKYARD, MIGHT BE A LIZARD OR SOMETHING" lol
Damn imagine a chimp that measures 2 meters 6’6 that’s scary as hell, they might be weighing at 230-300lbs, probably as strong as a jr silverback, and multiple of them now let that sink in....
Even bili apes are not as strong as gorillas
Busted!!! I love it.