Olympus E-M5 MKIII vs. E-M5 MKII
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Olympus E-M5 MKIII is finally here! We all have waited for the upgrade to Olympus E-M5 MKII. In this video I will put these two E-M5 -series cameras head to head and compare their features.
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I am more than happy with my Mark 2, as of this stage I would prefer to expand on lenses and accessories for the mark 2.
Would you recommend the em5 mkii coming from an em10 mkiii. Video features don't really concern me, more of a stills person.
I prefer E-M5 MKII, it has a metal body and I found it on offer, E-M5 MKII + 14-150mmII + 45mm F1.8 all three at 670 euros reduced from 1870 euros
I'm looking for the same combo, could you share where this was ?
I still have the E-M5 Mark II, and I love it! Especially with the 17mm 1.8 or 25mm 1.8, this thing is small, compact and very powerful! Also the build quality is outstanding, and the battery will never let me down in my travels.
Great comparison and couldn't agree more with all your points. Thanks for adding your voice to bringing the "Mysets" back! This is a huge mistake. I did a survey last week and more than half those surveyed use the mysets.
I m quite happy with the Olympus E-M5 MKI which I ve had for 5 years and I see no need for replacing, after all I kept my Om1n film camera as my main camera for 30 years before going digital. I m a semi professional photographer now but for 4 years I was a full time photographer with the Om1.....
How is the focus on the Em5 mark i? I seriously intend to cop it.
I had a hard time deciding between the two but I have pre-ordered the MK III because I think it has the edge for what I want in a camera. I wear glasses and it sounds like the new viewfinder will be a plus, I intend to photograph birds and there again it sounds like it has the edge I want. There are other features you mentioned as well I like so I am looking forward to receiving it and getting out and photographing the heck out of everything. Considering I only have the Olympus E-20 and the Olympus SZ-16, I think this will wow my socks off.
Peter, in the future, would you mind saying "the new one" and "the old one", or "mk3" and "mk2", instead of "this one" and "this one"? (Especially when you're showing some graphics on screen and in no way indicate which one is which particular "this one".)
Good point and realise that it is confusing.
@@ForsgardPeter I wish my photo pusher didnt go bankrupt!I was about to sell my 5mkii and order the 1mkii!the deal breaker with mkiii was the battery life!everybody says that the picture count was about the same, but I´m not sure about the video recording time being the same!!!how big is the difference in recording time in Cinema 4K on the 5mkiii compared to the 1mkii?
Peter, I think your videos' production quality is fantastic, and your audio is really good. Have you considered using a teleprompter? czcams.com/video/YeRu4xYH_W0/video.html
Peter, I think your videos' production quality is fantastic, and your audio is really good. Have you considered using a teleprompter? czcams.com/video/YeRu4xYH_W0/video.html
Hands down for your review and honest thought. I think that if someone needs a "V-log" camera may take the Mark III. For the rest the Mark II IS the camera to have. (Sometimes I think why Companies won't creat an "almost perfect" camera instead Mark.......)
Good advice about buying a used camera and saving money for other things - like a lense or dinner with the spouse :)
I don’t think I will replace my lovely metallic and high quality body E-M5 II for a plastic E-M5 III, with already old components released in 2016. This new version is just a E-M10 IV...a bit disappointed.
Actually, it is more like a mini E-M1 MKII.
Peter Forsgård thanks Peter, I trust your opinion and might definitely change mine too once I will be able to handle with my hands...late November here in London I guess.. But I am afraid will wait for the titanium or silver version:-) is the E-m1 II made by plastic?
No.
Exactly, I love my sturdy Em5 Mark II! It's so classy looking! When I'm out shooting I get many compliments on it. And one question I get asked alot is, if it's a film camera? It's just so beautiful especially when I have paired up with the pancake lense...
That is the best description of this camera a E-M10 IV...spot on.
Thank you Peter! As always, a great assessment, balanced and well informed. Personally, I am keeping my EM5/II and I bought the EM1/II. So, I think I have the best of two worlds: a light and bright camera for street and landscape, and and a heavier and more sophisticated one for more challenging situations (sport, wildlife..). With the additional treat of not having to change lenses! Thank you Olympus! For a newcomer, though, the EM5/III is a fantastic camera: (almost) all in a single body!
Jean-Marc Rapp I think I will do like you: will buy a E-M1 II, instead of that plastic body...
Fabio Petito By the way, I bought my EM1/II at eInfinity for a great price (new body for 900!), and it was delivered quickly in perfect shape. I found nowhere else such a bargain.
Love your video Peter, I'm an Olympus EM-5 Mark2 user and the news of Mark 3 is ever so exciting. But what is more exciting than the news is to watch a channel reviewing Olympus cameras and lenses, because there are not many creators based on Olympus ecosystem compared to other brands. That is why, I've been watching your channel for tips and reviews for sometime now. Thanks for a great content! We'll be more than exciting to hear more from you. =D
Thank you.
I bought the mark 111 when it first came on the market. I have an EM 1 mark 111 which I absolutely love. The plastic camera drove me mad, I had waited a long time for the camera to be released and was bitterly disappointed when I found out it was plastic. The catches on the metal bodies are the best with the plastic it feels soft and it seems that damage could easily occur. I sold the mark 111 and bought a mark 1 for a very low price, I have had more photographs accepted for sale using the mark 1 than any of my high end models. I think I will buy a second had mark 11 to see what happens.
Thanks for you videos they are most helpful
Em5 mark iii is plastic? Not metal/mqgnesium like the Em5 mark ii?
@@sadeqsegaraga8766 I bought another Em5 mark 111 for lightness and features.
The battery is too small for this level of composite cameras 📸
I've just upgraded from my PEN E-P5 and purchased the E-M5 Mark 3 with the 12-100 lens. I've only ever used the 25 and 75 primes on the PEN so the zoom is something new for me. So far it's been fabulous! I'm really enjoying your videos Peter, very informative and motivational... Thannks!
Thank you!
I shoot the oly em5mkII and the ep-2... Have no need to upgrade as I use other cameras as well... But I find myself drawn to the classic images of the EP-2 more! These are my travel and daily family pic cameras and I think they are perfect for this application. The size factor has stolen my heart.
Till 2019 i shot with Pentax DSLR's and never used Oly.
In Photoclubs I tested all kind of gear and never wanna go to Heavy FF DSLR.
In summer of 2019 I have hiking trip around Alps as a photographer of team. And I was looking for something smaller, than DSLR. From "Olympus Lithuania" i got DEMO EM5mk2 with 17mm + 14-42mm Oly lenses. And... In 18 days trip I used my DSLR just once. When I come back home, and start looking for brand new Oly, EM5mk3 was released. BUT... on small sensor 16mpix has less noise on RAW files. On 11.11. sale I've got brand new EM5mk2 Silver with huge discount.
With Leica 15mm f1.7, Leica 30mm f2.8Macro, Oly 45f1.8 and second battery all setup weight just 1024grams...
I love this gem and many new options of Olympus.
But menu is terrible... ;)
3:29 Not only can you customize some buttons or dial positions to change to some My Set on the E-M5 mk II, but you also get 2 more buttons (B-Fn1 and B-Fn2) on the battery optional portrait grip, giving you a total of 8 buttons, one more than the E-M5 mk III. As well as, well, a 2nd battery you can swap without removing the grip. As far as I know, there's no power portrait grip for the mk III. Therefore, usability wise, the mk II trumps the mk III.
True, but then the camera is much bigger.
With 5mkii and 5mki for that matter, you have a choice of battery grip and two batteries for extended battery life. In that config it works well with heavy lenses. When doing street, off comes the grip and on goes the small 17f1.8. Olympus have dumbed down the 5mkiii in that regard and killed it for my needs.
If they had left the grip config, I would have been tempted, but I'm also disappointed with micro USB instead of usb-c (really in 2019 nearly 20!) and for the price plastic and smaller battery are a big no no for me. The evf and rear panel should be higher resolution too.
If olympus feel the need to differentiate between em1 mk2 and em5 lines, I think the dual card slots, built in grip and larger buffer depth and faster shutter for sports etc are enough. The Em1 mkiii, when it arrives, would surely trump the em1 mkii anyway, and the price difference between 5mkiii and 1mkii is so small, why does it matter to them!
As is often said in the video about the 5mkii, "it isn't a worse camera because of the 5mkiii's arrival". The same could be said for the em1 mkii. I suspect, a lot of people who invested in the em5 line of cameras feel somewhat abandoned by this change of emphasis and loss of adaptability in the new version. To me, as others have said. This is an Em10 mkiv.
The E-M5ii can save a MySets into the unwanted Mode dial slots, iAuto, SCN, Art, or the thing that looks like paving slabs. Very useful for jobs that have complicated settings like Astrophotography. What I've never understood is the way Olympus make changing exposure mode so difficult.
The E-M5ii has a headphone out on the handgrip you are holding, and if you wear glasses there is a wide eyecup for it.
perhaps I should have said exposure metering mode, centre-weighted, spot etc. You have to delve into the menu and cannot put it on a Fn button
Thanks for the great review. Today I had the opportunity to see and test in person the OMDEM5MIII in the PhotO Plus Expo in NYC. I liked the new features, I can’t deny that you can see the difference.
I brought my OMDEM5MII and put it next to the new one. You can feel it’s a little bit lighter. They gave me an explanation of why to go that way and it is understandable due to new sensor and other new feature. The only thing I didn’t like was the battery life. Yes, I can use the USB to charge it, but it is more items to carry on my bag.
I’m more simplistic and like to have just the essential. I’m going to keep my current camera and spend the money in Pro Lennses. If in the future I want to change my camera, it would be for a level up, but I love this camera.
Getting lenses is a good choice also. What lenses are you planning to get?
Peter Forsgård Hi, I’m looking for the wide angle rectilinear 7-14mm pro. I do a lot architecture and landscape photography.
That lens works great with those subjects.
Thanks for the comparison Peter, very useful. I really like the look and feel of the EM5 II's metal body, it exudes quality rarely seen at this price point. I was thinking about buying a second Olympus EM5 body to go with my EM5 II and decided to order a Pen F instead of the EM5 III and keep the money saved for another lens.
Pen-F is a good choice. What lenses are you planning to get?
@@ForsgardPeter I already have the 17mm f1.8 and 12mm f2.0 so the choice would be between the 45mm f1.8 and the 25mm f1.8. I really like these small primes, a shame they don't all have the manual focus clutch.
I’ve presently got the Pen-F and EM-5 mk II. Very happy with both although the Pen is a surprisingly heavy unit by comparison so I tend to travel with the EM-5.
I have the Mk III on order and am looking forward to the slightly lighter body.
I shoot video with a dedicated video unit so, other than short clips, not too concerned there.
One important thing to remember for those worried about the new plastic exterior is that it is still weather sealed and magnesium frame inside so there’s a weight reduction with no loss of strength or integrity.
That’s what finally sold me on moving up.
Thanks for comparing the 2 cameras Peter. For me I think that the 4K video and AF is enough reason to upgrade to the MK III.
Yes, the much better AF is a good reason to upgrade.
Just tried my friend's EM5 III, there is no doubt it offers better features. But then again, the plastic material really feels uncomfortable to hold and the different in image quality were not significant. I think i will keep my plan to invest in a good 7-14mm f2.8 PRO lens
Buy the Pan-Leica 8-18 instead
Great comparison! I own the Em5 Mark II. Which I love! I don't think I would upgrade the the III. Planning on purchasing E-M1X after I can save money for it. In the meantime, I'm shooting beautiful images with my Em5 MARKII...I own several lenses and for me I love Olympus cameras. Therefore, I will be staying in the family.
Thanks Peter, a well balanced and informative video.
I have not had my mkii long, so would not be upgrading.
The only thing that tempts me in the mkiii is the autofocus which I suspect is a boon when capturing kids and other spontaneous situations.
I get why Olympus have made the design decisions on this, to attract in new customers including vloggers.
If you have never picked up the mkii or a nikon fm2n you might not have that physical and emotional response to the solidity of a metal / magnesium body.
On the other hand there is probably a good reason why apple make iphones from glass and solid blocks of metals so maybe it is not just an old guy thing!
I love my pro 2.8 zoom, but in honesty in use I still enjoy my plastic fantastic 45mm f1.8 and don't feel that would put me off, so who knows. Glad it's not a decision my pocket and heart need to make :)
I have only just bought my EM5/2, I do like the camera very much. For an upgrade I feel the EM1/2 would be a better buy, same batteries would be one reason and I dont like the plastics added to the EM5/3. I have an old EM10 and the black paint has worn off the top edges of the camera giving it an old look. I never shoot videos but better focus for birds as you said would be nice.
Not same batteries
Great video!
Thanks for taking the time to show us all the differences
Thank you for making the comparison video; I found it very helpful. I have a pair of 5.II bodies, and was wondering if it was worth it to upgrade one. The improved AF and 2-stop noise improvement are *very* tempting, but at the current price point, I'll wait. In addition to the body, I would need to get a few batteries and at least one external charger.
Just tonight, I was looking at some slides I took at the Oshkosh fly-in in 1994, with my original-model Canon Elan (EOS 100 in Europe). That camera is stone-age simple compared to today's equipment, but it gave me some great images. So I think the 5.II will be just fine, at least for now. :-)
My EM5m3 (black) is on preorder. I use back button AF. One of my favorite things on the camera is the new position of the AEL button that will be so much better for back button AF compared to the previous EM5 versions.
It is much better.
Hello Peter, Thank you the comparison
I just don't get the logic behind the grip. Olympus makes the camera with bad grip and in order to make it usable you need to get an additional grip which will add cost, weight and some height to the system ??? Normally we buy an additional grip for vertical functions? So where are the savings ??? They should put a good grip on it or not at all like PEN-F, but something between is just not practical.
It is not bad, the gripis just better for my hands. I am used to holding a bit bigger camera.
Hello Peter, I've watched this comparrison many times and I'm writing this as a proud owner of the EM-5 mark II, I bought it at half the price of the mark III because it was the "of the shelf" model. (Actually bought it as a Kit with the 12-40mm 2.8 for under 800€) I will miss a bit on the AF compared to the mark 3.. but I still can't complain for what I get. And now I can take pictures in the rain also.. that's really great not to have to cover the camera if it starts raining.
Cheers!
Great to hear. E-M5 MKII is good choice.
I really love my em 5ii, but I’ve lost many birds shot, and I do very much indoor shooting and need that extra stop. So the mark iii is very attractive for me right now. But there is one problem with birds and olympus, if you wanna good reach, there is only two good choices and that is the Olympus 300 + 1,4 converter, or the Leica 100-400, and both lenses costs more than a new camera...
What do you mean, 'with Olympus'? What alternative system do you know where you can get comparable lenses cheaper, or even at the same price? Also, the 75-300 will get you many nice shots, even if it's not quite up there with the other two…
Peter I like your reviews. They avoid all the nonsense of the little things that really don’t mean much for the average joe, They concentrate on the real things that are usefull
Thank you.
Hi very nice video. I am looking for a mark ii because i just have a better feeling about the metallic bodie there. I would use it for film and photography while traveling. Question now is if the better AF is really necessary since i am not a professional. And if i buy the mark ii which lenses would be the best?
The AF is something that I value and would go with E-M5 Mark III. Lens depends on what you are going to photograph. A kitzoom is a good option for general photography. The 14-42mm pancake is a good choice.
Olympus does have best menu system in the business, that is why it is so confusing to people because they are custom to complete mess menus in other brands without any hierarchy and logic order in them. Others just place some most needed stuff to front and the throw all rest randomly in mix. While Olympus places all most needed to their Super Control Panel and then rest settings in the menu in their belonging categories. Like focusing related settings are in AF menu, display related in Display menu etc. The Olympus although went wrong direction in E-M1 II as they went black and white with yellow highlight and removed the sub-menu (categories) names, replacing it all with A1, A2, A3 etc. And you can read the category only at top of screen once you are there.
Olympus should go back to original OM-D color coded and category named menu, but soon they might just do what others does, randomly throw features in mix because so many is whining about menu as they do not understand what they really are doing but just repeat the echo chamber.
I agree. I always found Olympus menu system to be easy. I love the super control panel.. it's my go to for everything. When I use my Cannon I tend to find it more confusing. I guess it's all relative. Just matter of preference..
As a long time micro4/3 user, I went to buy this camera, and I tried it in store, and it was very disappointing. It felt like a toy. The new body is all low quality plastic and it's very disappointing at this price point. I wanted to switch to Olympus for smaller size and I like the Zuiko glasses, but there's no excuse for such a low build quality at this price point. I would rather have a little heavier metal body than this all plastic one. Also in the same store I could get a new canon eos R with EF adapter at the same price as the EM5III+1lens. Olympus really needs to rethink it's strategy here, if the build quality is dropping compared to the last model em5II and the competition models, so should the price... Also the new IBIS in now smaller ? not sure about that, having smaller more fragile moving parts in an all plastic body isn't very reassuring. At least other manufacturers offer a metal chassis at this price point.
Does the EOS R has the same features. IBIS is very good in E-M5 MKIII. You can get 2 to 3 second shutter speeds hand held and the IBIS is relly good when shooting video. The size of IBIS is not an issue. Olympus has a very long experience with IBIS.
@@ForsgardPeter Thank you for your reply. yeah I wanted to switch to Olympus mainly for the IBIS, but I do mostly still photography so an OIS is also as effective as an IBIS for me. I mostly own Panasonic and Canon glasses so right now Olympus and canon are both an option for me. Maybe I will wait a few months for a next gen em1markIII, otherwise I will switch to a canon mirrorless R, since they have similar prices. I know it may seem trivial but as an outdoor shooter, I've had many bad experiences with plastic only cameras since after a while UV's and heat destroy the plastic and Metal parts usually survive better.
@@automaticimprovements6957 I am not sure about that comment, after a while UV and heat destroy plastic, I think you may find the modern polycarbonate co-polymers are pretty awesome, and are you really going to leave you camera lying outside all day 24 7 for years in the desert!, I think not, of course I personally like the feel of the magnesium alloy. As an aside my house has an outer plastic cladding that looks like weatherboard and still looks new after 30 years!
Big mistake to change the haptics of a camera. Nikon did that with the latest D5xxx models and it ruined their reputation, never mind how good the electronics might be. The joy of ownership of a well-crafted device must not be disregarded, or it's the end... as Olympus is unfortunately now demonstrating.
@@automaticimprovements6957 In lens stabilization in plenty of situation isn't as effective as in body one. I'll take in body one any time.
Thank you Peter for the great content. Your experience is appreciated.
Thanks.
smaller battery in plastic body... just great! sorry, but i waited for this release im just very dissapointed. very.
In my wedding work i didn't find much different between the em1mk and the 5mk2 in high iso
I was thrilled to see a lighter smaller body- I bought it specifically because i find the heavy cameras hard to use and carry, not just hard to stabilize on my fine wrist and too big for my hand but impossible on my back when I am carrying tent and gear- if durable plastics will provide this I will gleefully replace every metal brick lens and body with the smallest possible plastics- as long as it is weather sealed- because the same people that want low weight like myself tend to be roaming outside. Studio shooters can have audio and video, I would happily remove it all to save weight.
I can see where Olympus is trying to reposition this camera. More as a thing you can keep in your bag all the time and maybe as a viable alternative to the excellent iPhone etc cameras. The em5 now has Bluetooth so I can see this can be paired with phone GPS and headphones all the time. This is a great addition and is essential if cameras are to compete with iphone. The autofocus is also a great addition. I think Olympus have understood where cameras need to go. This means acknowledging what phone cameras bring to the table and what people will expect from their devices. This means portability and connectivity.
And if a plastic body means that you can take the camera out with you more then great.
for that you have the pen series...
I have been debating with myself for a few months. Should I buy the M5 iii , The M5ii or the M10 iii. I have watched many of your videos and find them very informative as I am not a professional photographer. Then all of a sudden my mind was made up when Olympus advertised a special offer on the M5 MKii with 14-150 Lens for only £599 GBP. I just could not resist. It has now gone back up to £1199GBP I am one happy guy.. THANK YOU for your videos
Great choice with a great price.
Thank you again Peter for a great video. I love the way you compare and talk about the cameras when comparing. It's the god honest truth and not colored in salespitches.
I completely agree with you. Is the MKIII good? Yes. Will I run out to the shop and buy it when I have the MKII? No, not for my usage. If I was to mainly take pictures of birds and fast moving objects then maybe yes. But for my usage I do not get enough value for my buck. Many others will though! The only PROS for me is the new AF and the bluetooth while the biggest CONS are the smaller battery and the lack of the headphone jack. The smaller battery I could live with IF you could use it simultaneously while usb charging. Don't know if they will update this later in a firmware update. There is one downside to that and that is that it will break the weathersealing while charging. Maybe that is the reason they choose to not allow it.
CHEERS:)
At the moment no camera can be charged via USB while shooting. Sony A7 something can be used with USB-power, but not charged. There must be some kind of a technical issue taht makes it hard to do.
Peter Forsgård GoPro7 can be used with USB external power for long timelapse so it is technically possible, though it does use USB C.
Tone Edge This was possible with the Hero 6, 5 and 4 too. Even without USB-C😊
But GoPros do not have mechanical shutters and zoom. Still, there is no reason, in my mind, why this shouldn't be possible. Even if the power from powerbanks are not 100% proficiant in delivering what is needed, they are able to deliver a certain amount of power to counter the power drawn from the battery and thus therefor prolong the operational time.
I was thinking to get the EM-1 Mk II or an EM-5 Mk III, but I just found an extremely good bargain on a basically new EM-5 Mk II (with the FL-LM3 flash), a 17/1.8 lens, a tripod and an extra battery for $500 USD. Honestly at that price I could not say no to the 5 Mk II.
You made a good choice. That is a great price.
Going to buy the Mark lll.
watching your video 4 years after publishing... i just got 2 oly e-m5 mkII hardly used for a very good price. under 2k klicks. like new. and i love them but i miss a few features. but its all firmware related oly could fix easily but they are eol i guess. anyway, i love them. btw one of them is a titanium edition in very very good condition. as i am used to nikon (d500+ huge lenses) i fell in love with used mft equipment now. i can carry a whole set on my bike. dont need a truck for my nikons. lol. the mk3 i find a bit weird but never touched it. absolut pro on the mk2: headphone and mic jack and the additional portrait and battery grip ... cons: autofocus is laggy but still ok. but the 40-150 is a bit messy on the mk2 - pumping.
The titanium edition is nice. E-M5 Mark II is still quite capable camera.
On my view, choosing polycarbonate was not a smart move. It is difficult to justify losing built quality/robustness for a negligible 55g weight loss. Do you really think a polycarbonate body will last in the same way the Mark II metal body does? Especially if we are talking about portability and a fantastic travelling camera - which means occasional knocks and drops...
Another point is the battery. While I was not expecting a Nokia-like battery life-time, I am sceptical that switching to a lower capacity unit (pursuing weight loss) will keep the same performance (or even improve it).
All in all, was there any Mark II user complaining about the weight of that camera? I don't really think so...
Hi Peter I have the original em1 and the em5 mkii. They are great for my purposes and I’m still very happy with the images I get. I agree a professional may see advantages with upgrades but the difference for me is not of great importance. We can get starry eyed with bells and whistles.
Sure if one of my cameras dies then I will upgrade.
You are on the right track. No need to upgrade if happy with what you have. Wise decision.
May be look at the weatherforecast Peter? Nice review, clear and informative as always! And as an Olympus user too: nonono, you are very right about the menusystem! Just look at Matti's menu's on his Panasonics I'd say.
Next time I see matti, I need to check his cameras.
Excelente video gracias por compartir sus conocimientos 👏
Great video. I only got the EM10 MK2 and really enjoy the camera. I am i the proses to sell off all my nikon dslr gear and only go with mft and going to add another body to my mft lens collection. For that matter my wife actually convinced me to go for the new EM5 MK3 as it will be a massive update and still stay with the small body form. Will still waite a couple of months to see when the price reduce.
Hello, Peter! Thanks for the review. I have bought this camera just today. I was so much excited when I got home, started to play around with it and... discovered that I can’t do tethered shooting. The Olympus software doesn’t recognize the camera. What a disappointment.
It is a shame that it does not work. Hope you are satisfied with the other features?
Peter Forsgård I have not explored the camera enough yet to give a solid answer, the overall impression is good.
Great to hear.
Thethered is for professionals
I have preordered the E-M5 III. But the new additional grip has been downgraded. In the old one there was a headphones input. There was also second part of the grip with a second battery and AC adapter input. It is not present in the new grip. You cannot have an additional power when the camera is turned on especially that now it has got a smaller battery.
Unfortunately no AC-power or battery grip.
When you first mentioned the new and improve M5 III, wow that is my second video camera. Then the wow deteriorated quit rapidly. No way to monitor the sound which I do constantly, shooting time too short due to a one battery limitation. Smaller battery probably shorted running time. Although it can be charged through the USB port it can not be powered that way.
Pass.
If I decide I need a second camera for videos I'll buy another M5 II
Do you need to monitor the sound on the second camera? The video quality is much better than the E-M5 MKII has.
@@ForsgardPeter The video quality is much better than the E-M5 MKII so that would/could make the E-M5 MKIII the short running time, soundless main camera. :) If I was just making photos I would consider it as a replacement.
Great breakdown. Really informative to a newbie like myself. I realize tht in the review, these cameras are said to Not be ideal for fast actiom, buuut Can either one of these work at all for action or sports shooting? For example: most speeding cars, trains, bicycles, animals etc?? Will shooting action with these be too much of a battle/ way too difficult? If neither one than, any recommendations for compact size cameras similar size or even smaller to these That can capture fast / action pics? Thank you.
Neither of these cameras are meant for fast action. It also depends on what type of shots you plan to make. From OM SYSTEM the best solution would be OM-1.
I like the LUMIX menu system better in the MFT ecosystem. You are right, the Olympus menu system should be improved.
It might just be that the Panasonic GX8 is an outlier, but I could never find the functions I was looking for, after a year I sold it and bought an em5 MkII. things are so much easier to find now, and ibis works in all modes!! totally worth giving up 4k and the 20mpx sensor.
Frost Yeah IBIS is superior in Olympus... menus, eh.
great review!
You can pickup a used mk2 very cheaply. makes sense to spend the extra cash on a good lens, or mic (if vlogging)/tripod or even on computer upgrades (still have to edit these images after all).
Great comparison, thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Not sure why you say the Em5 Mk ii or Mkii (around 6m40s), are for Casual shooting. These are fairly complex cameras for Casual shooting! :-)
Peter going back over the various reviews of Olympus cameras, I don't see a specific comparison of the CAF and AF of the EM1 Mark III and the Em5 Mark III. I expect the EM1 Mark III would be better at CAF and AF than the EM5 Mark III.
Yes, E-M1 MKIII is better.
Peter, thanks for your effort in reviewing Olympus cameras. As you’re a photographer, could you please tell Olympus to go back to tilt screen? For Photographers is vital to take photos BEHIND the camera. I ditched Olympus for this. I just can’t stand this flip out screen.
I an also oa big fan of tilt screen in photography. The flip screen has an advantage though. It can be turned away so that the screen is not visible.
I recently bought a PEN-F and I love the ability to flip round the screen so it is protected, and then just use the EVF. I much prefer using the EVF instead of the screen.
I also have Canon DSLRs which have fixed screens, and a Canon G1X Mk 2 which has a tilt screen, and I think that at least 95% of the time I prefer the screen system on the PEN-F. I bought an external EVF for the G1X Mk 2, because having used it for a few months I decided that I much prefer using a viewfinder, although the EVF makes the camera considerably larger. The only time I prefer the G1X Mk 2 screen system over the PEN-F one is when holding the camera above my head, because it’s easier to hold the camera with both hands.
Thank you again Peter for a great video!
Thank you.
I just need to stockpile em5 mkii for next 4 years (!sic) upgrade candidate...
I'm going to get mark III I think, want to replace my original E-M5. Better video quality and faster shutter speed (ran few times into problem trying to use f1.4 on a bright day). Also have few legacy lenses so focus peaking would be nice.
It’s worth mk 2 in 2022 ?
Hi Peter, I love your videos and your style. You speak very well and have a nice accent. Thank you for making the effort.
I feel the EM5-iii is an improvement but I think I'll keep the EM5-ii and buy an EM1-ii when it becomes cheap enough. My comfort zone for camera bodies is $500. I know that means I need to wait and buy when the technology gets old but you made an excellent point at the start of your video. Just because a new camera comes out it does not make the old one bad.
May I point out an error. You erroneously stated the maximum fps for the EM5-ii with electronic shutter is 11. It is in fact 16. One more comment is that this latest video seems quite muted in colours, almost like someone rubbed some vaseline on it.
I need to check my facts!
Sadly if you wait too long they stop making the EM1 mk2, but can still buy second hand
Thanks for posting this! I have the EM5ii, and I have been waiting to see if it was worth the money to upgrade to the EM5iii. Since I also have an EM1ii, I am not seeing any reason right now to make the swap. I have small hands, but I like the grip on the EM1ii. Does the extra grip add a lot of weight to the EM5ii? Do you think the improved handling is worth the added weight of the grip?
The grip weighs 120g (4,233oz).
Enjoy playing in the leaves! They'll be gone soon enough -- wow Fall has come and is finishing up fast it seems! The photos looked similar, but the MK III seemed to have a little more "pop" in the yellow of the leaves. Certainly seems like there are a good number of improved features in the MK III -- with not a huge difference in price. I would not expect the MK II price to drop a large amount yet. Yes -- this would be considered vlogging.
I missed the best part of the leaves, but happy to catch a few.
@@ForsgardPeter -- from seeing your videos (and Matti's) it looks like your Fall there goes pretty quickly -- so yes, you'd have to grab the opportunities when they present themselves. Aha -- photo challenge -- get good outdoor photos of the leaves actually falling! Maybe not the "in-focus" subject of the photo, but in the foreground between the camera and the subject -- but take the shots so that it is obvious that there are leaves falling, but still capture the subject of the photo well....
Oh and the MkII actually has 8 buttons, if you configure the right and down arrows!
This can also be done with the E-M5 Mark III - thankfully it hasn't followed the vicious simplification applied to the E-M10 Mark III, which lost that facility amongst many others.
Peter, I have been enjoying some of your videos, but now I have a bit of a dilemma. i switched 5 years ago from Canon DSLR to Olympus 5 mki (perhaps I should have waited for the mkii). I really like the combination of portability and flexibility with the e-m5 and I am a huge convert to mirrorless. I always like to jump a generation, so now feels like the perfect time for an upgrade to mkiii skipping the mkii. I am not a really serious photographer but enjoy landscape photography during long hikes and try some action shots (not very successfully with the mki) from time to time. So here is the dilemma. The mkiii is now double the price of mkii, and the E-M1 mkii body I can get cheaper than the 5 mkiii. For less money than mkiii I can also get a mkii with a 12-40 pro lens. Then I think about my mki. With mkii or iii it is redundant. So my final option is the E-M1 with the 12-40 and retain my old E-M5 mki when I want a lighter combo. Normally I use the extra grip on the mki too as I find it greatly improves the handling for me - so in this situation I guess the E-Mi will not feel so different? Any help with my dilemma is appreciated!
You can still get great images with the original E-M1, but if you can get the E-M1 MKII with 12-40mm cheaper that E-M5 MKIII go for that combo.
@@ForsgardPeter thanks Peter, I went for the e-m1 mkii combo as felt much better in the hand, especially with the 12-40 lens, as well as being cheaper (ex demo kit )
One question: as far as I know the MkIII has less EVF magnification then the MKII which is about on par with the EM1MkII: does the OLED EVF makes enough difference to make you dismiss the image size?
I my opinion it does.
No OLED on Olympus
Actually E-M5 MK II possible to buy already under 500 euro (of course used body,but sometimes in shiny condition).Great benefit if E-M5 MK III is like its a "E-M1 MKII mini" ,but it cost now 1300 euros body.Its worth to pay just 300 euros more and get truly great E-M1 MK II. About future of E-M5 MK II.Even cheaper possible to buy E-M1 MK 1 body,sometimes even with grip,and if you in photo only (video by this camera is so so),its much better deal plus it has phase autofocus,missed on E-M5 MK II.Just IMHO.
p.s. And what also good thing Olympus support their old semi & professional cameras with new firmware releases relatively long after they rolled out from current sales.
Grazie Peter. Dopo quello che hai detto, credo che prenderò una Mark 2 usata con garanzia che ho visto a 300 euro e comprerò un buon obiettivo. Saluti
I'm kind of pleased that the mk III does nothing for me because I love the mk II and I see no reason to upgrade. Saved me some money, but can't help feeling that Olympus dropped the ball here. The 5 was always the most innovative camera in the market before. A missed opportunity.
And the mk iii feels much cheaper because it is so plasticy. For me that is a step back and the reason why i will not buy the mk iii.
@@thorstenbrand4803 do you already have hands-on practice with the mk iii?
@@carstenellwart3315 yes, preview at my Olympus-Shop
@@thorstenbrand4803 still going to buy the 1mkii early next year for the video functions!its a half step upgrade!bigger sensor but shorter battery life for a cinema 4k video camera!deal breaker!I love my 5mkii!
I would first play with the 5.3 before making a judgement call to never ever buy one.
Hi Peter and thanks for the informative video!
When you talk about image quality and noise levels, did you compare the raw files straight out of the two cameras? It has been known that the 20 MP sensor has a better S/N ratio (despite the smaller pixel pitch) because it is a newer tech sensor. So, how much improvement is there really between the MkII and MkIII just looking at the raw files?
I would say between 1 and 2 stops, but that is something I need look a bit closer.
Massively disappointed with the new plastic construction. One of the reasons I picked up an EM5 II was the rugged build!
It is rugged and it has the same weather sealing as the E-M1 MKII has.
I have no camera actually so i hesitate between Panasonic and Olympus. My favorite lens would be the 12-60 Leica + One prime, and rent a 50-200 leica if necessary for a particular nature travel. I don't like the 12-40 or 40-150 ranges. The E-M5 III appeals me by the contrast autofocus. But the material seems cheap for surch a price...
It is very a durable camera. Great for travel and the 12-60mm Leica lens is a good choice for it.
I use mainly for nature photography (macro and birds) and i struggle a lot with autofocus (mostly when i try to focus a flying bird and also when triyng to use C-AF they use to focus and blur a lot and dont stay focused during enough time for me to capture the bird). Can be that the camera (second hand em5 MII) that i have is a bit rusty and maybe a need and upgrade? Thanks
How about doing a new crossover with @sulantoblog ? Olympus om d em 5 mk III vs Panasonic G90. Not only because I have trouble choosing between the two but also for the joy of seeing you two in the same video. :)
I was talking to Matti today and we might do that!
Hi Peter, I really like your comparison reviews. I'm looking to buy my first micro 4/3 camera second hand and can't decide whether to get a E-M10 mkii or E-M5 mkii. The thing that pushes me off from the newer models is the quality of their bodies and price as I'd like to get something cheap. I'll be using the camera only for taking photos during travel, is it worth to pay a bit more for E-M5 mkii' weather sealing? Are there any other pros that come with E-M5 mkii?
Thanks. I would go with E-M5 MKII. Both the E-M10 MKII and E-M5 MKII are still quite good cameras. for travel the weather sealing is at least for me quite important. Of course the lenses need to be sealed too. For travel photography the differences are not that big.
Great comparison! Can you tell me please from where did you buy the gandgrip for Olympus omd em5 mark iii? In Sweden you can’t find it.
Looks like it is not available anymore. Very strange. I tried to look into Olympus accessories but it is not listed anymore.
Does the presence of phase-detect AF on E-M5 Mark III make it significantly better for use with legacy Four Thirds lenses?
I have not tested it, but it most likely it will.
Peter, I appreciate my comment is coming well after the fact and I hope these are still monitored. Can you please tell me what camera strap you're using on the Mk III. Thanks.
I personally like to use PeakDesign Wrist cuff. Any strap that you feel is the right one for you. I personally do not like to use the ones that come with the camera. The logos are so visible. I do understand that manufacturer wants the name there, but it screams expensive camera. When traveling and making street photos I do not want that.
I just bought a EM 5 mark II I'm sure it will be fine
Sounds great!
Thank you, I really like it.
Robert how has the em5 mark ii been since you purchased it. Any issues with it?
@@sdhute I'm very happy with it and haven't had any issues at all. I've got the 14-150mm zoom and saving up to get one of the pro lenses. Cant believe Olympus sold out, Back in the day of film , Olympus was my camera of choice.
Hi Peter. I have Olympus om-d e-m5 mark iii. And, in one of the your videos (which I do not remember which one exactly) you were telling using AEL/AFL button to switch the camera on/off, If I remember correctly. Would you please share with me some more information how to do it in this camera? I have already checked the camera settings and I couldn't find it. Thank you.
Did you find how to do this?
@@balintgyori8047 No. I was expecting a return from Peter but I think he has not seen my message yet.
Thanks Peter for this comparison. Difficult to say if I'll keep my MkII or not. As I'm a recreational user of MkII since 2015. If MarkIII has major improvements I'm not sure I'm using them often. Maybe once, I remember missing some photos with my MkII and a standard 75-150 it was puffins taken from a moving boat in Norway .. I touched the limits of MkII capabilities, stabilization and lens features.
After hearing that a 16Mp is enough for standard printing did the invest in a 20Mp is a plus ? do I have a better image quality ? could I perceived it ? no sure again.
Maybe the age of the MkII push me to renew before obsolescence?
Is anybody have same questions , What do you think ?
16 and 20 Mpix is almost no difference, and if the technology (process) is not changed much, 16 Mpix will have better signal to noise ratio.
Thanks for the video Peter. May I enquire as to the make and model of your video light? Also is monotone more widely available across the various settings? On the mark 2 it can’t be accessed in hdr 1&2 or hand held starlight.
Falcon Eyes F7 amzn.to/2NfwBjT. It is an RGB light, but it seems that it is not the best for skin color. I had to do more color correction than usual.
Monotone is not available in HDR-mode and some other modes.
For image quality, you didn't compare the same pix/shot.
Peter, was wondering what software you are using to edit your videos on that allows the text overlays and special effects, and what is the learning curve to use it.
I use Adobe Premiere Pro and yes there is a bit learning curve.
5:35 you said that mkiii is 40 g lighter than mkii, but you forgot to mention the materials both cameras are made of. Undoubtly the mkii is better made than mkiii, many people complain about the plasticky sensation of the mkiii.
E-M5 MKIII is a better camera and it has actually better weather sealing than E-M5 MKII.
E-M5 mkiii of course is a better camera, it’s the newest one. But do you have proofs that the weather sealing is better? Many people is saying the materials are worse...
very useful
Hallo Peter, thank you for this very interesting video. Can you please tell me, if the new camera shares the same battery meter and indicator as the EM 1.2. Best wishes Robert
Thanks. No, it does not it only shows an icon of a battery with small bars that indicate the amount of power.
Peter Forsgård Kiitos !
Have they made it easier to use back button focus with the AEL/AFL. On the mark 2 the button is tiny and difficult to use with that lever around it.
Yes they have, it is a lot better to use.
If I only shot stills and used AF-S, I'd stick with my E-M5 MkII. It's great for stills. I'm not a pro, so I don't use a lot of the features. BUT... I do shoot video. While I like the video out of the MkII, the AF-C can be terribad at times. Often it's fine, but sometimes it goes off into la-la land and won't come back. That, and adding 4k are just about enough to get me to upgrade.
The AF is usable on the new one. Especially the face priority works really nice when using AF C+TR.
to improves your viewership more you need to have more closeup shots of your products with a minimum 50% of the video. Also shows more photos and videos from the camera at 30% and finally yourself standing there with 20% of the videos......anyway thumps up for you for a good video
That is something to consider, thanks.
Which one is better for indoors video shooting?
E-M5 MarkIII is a better video camera.
@@ForsgardPeter thanks 🙏
I would be interested about performance saving pictures by fast mode serial shots, I hat some message that on using UHS-1 it was slow and the camera blocked several seconds.
You are using E-M1 MKII? The top memory card slot is UHS-II, so use that if need fast saving or film 4K-video.
@@ForsgardPeter Hi Peter, I ment the new E-M5 III!
Works the Phase Af also with mFT-lenses or only with FT-lenses? Whats about Face- and eye detection as Sony did at the Sony A6400 / 6600 in C-AF Mode?
asks the husband of Gabriele :-)
I have not tested ho the autofocus works with Ft-lenses. It is my plan to a video about the FT-lenses, but have had a chance to get a hold of any lenses.
Am I the only one asking for Exposure bracketing in 2 stops increments? How hard is that when competing cameras do it for years?
You can use HDR mode. There you have the 2.0EV difference. You can make 3, 5 or 7 images. It will record those image as separate raw-images.
Shoot in RAW, you dont need to exposure bracket
the price differences would be around almost $800 (€720) if you choose to buy a used e-m5 mark ii
Then it is.
Used will always be used, having owned the EMmk2 from new I know what goes wrong and it ant pretty
Which model of the OM system has reliable GPS so that we can remember each location of each photo we took when traveling etc. etc. thanks. How does WiFi help? And what are the pros and cons between WiFi vs. GPS.??
The only OM-D camera from OMDS that has built in GPS is E-M1X (and the Tough-cameras). With other cameras you need to use OI.Share app.
@@ForsgardPeterthanks Peter! Does the Olympus App fir GPS on the other cameras work efficiently and reliably?? Thanks!
It does work quite well. Sometimes with abit older Android phones there might some problems.
@@ForsgardPeter thanks so much! Do you think Olympus will ultimately survive?