Did we Make this House TOO Air TIGHT??
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Did we make this house TOO AIR TIGHT?? I may have found the ultimate vapor barrier and air control system on the market! I am always looking to new ways to improve and provide a better system for my clients and while looking for that perfect system, rockwool and SIGA Majrex kept coming up. Because we are in a cold climate we need a vapor barrier on the interior side of our insulated wall. The SIGA Majrex is a smart vapor barrier and I believe one of the only like it on the market. It allows for drying from the inside of the wall cavity out but also doesn't allow vapor to permeate into the wall cavity.
Have you ever used SIGA Majrex? It installs quite easily and I believe thanks to the way we frame our post frame homes, the Majrex will perform exceptionally. If you are curious about electrical and plumbing...stay tuned and subscribe for more information and how to on this barndominium we are building.
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Hi Kyle, My grandpa built furniture. My dad was a machinist. I code. Dont apologize for being accurate or using elegant design. It's not OCD. It's craftsmanship. Something our country no longer promotes with the current culture. It is great that you promote doing things right and not half-a.. Greg is lucky to have a mentor and not just a boss.
Well said. I've been watching this channel for a long time and I'm still addicted. Wish I knew someone around me that was into doing this kind of work. I've done construction on and off over the years but literally no one gives a shit anymore. I remember when I was younger getting into an argument with my uncle because we were remodeling a house and he got sick of spackling in the attic and started caulking the corners. I honestly don't understand how people can do anything in life and do it half assed. Idc if I was working at a Burger King I'd still do the best that I could.
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Truth! Kyle is a dying breed! LOVE the passion, craftsmanship & attention to detail.
How can I get the award
Well said that’s why I subbed
I am fully impressed! It’s just a complete czcams.com/users/postUgkxGqOCINHE0Z0E5gxzSdNi9NWGugRY5Hm2 plan with the best resources and step by step instructions . These shed plans are so satisfying as if the sheds build themselves on their own. Worthy work Ryan!
Being a homeowner of a house built as cheaply as possible. I can truly appreciate what Kyle and Greg do as they build these things. I’m looking at complete gut when I go to remodel someone else’s “just get it done” attitude
Man the contractor that built my parents place was so shit about air sealing that there is no controlling the dust. The house is as tight as a screen door, you can dust and two days later it looks like you haven't dusted in months. In the summer the 5 ton A/C on the main put of the house never shuts off, and the Humidity is crazy. I installed a ton and a half window unit in the Great Room just to suck the Humidity out and help make the house feel better in the Summer months.
I've been fighting this kind of battle with my house that was built in the 40's. I have been chipping away at bad air sealing and insulation
You pay for what you get. If you have higher building standards then earn more money to build a custom home and stop complaining
@@joseph1541 It was a 500k home when built in 2002. The contractor stole about 5 mil from 11 different builds an ran to Mexico. Idiot blow it all and got caught at a check point trying to come back in. Spent 10 years in jail. My parents were one of 3 out of the 11 that actually had something "Finished". We had to spend another 100k to fix his F'ups.
This guy came very highly recommend by people far richer than us. So more money =/= better build quality.
@johnbryant There is nowhere to stop with a cheap build. The foundation is probably substandard.
I have really no use for this information personally and yet I can't not spend forty minutes of my Saturday morning watching it. Fascinating stuff and it's always a pleasure to see real craftsmen who maintain high standards in their work.
Lol thank you
I agree, it reminds me of this old house. I'm glued to the channel.
That is because it is far excitinger than watching 22 guys fighting over a lump of pigskin.
I hope you will do a blower door test when you are done and show the results. I think it will be extremely informative as to the efficiency of the home. Keep up the great work!
Yes, blower door test!!! I want to compare with a spray foam insulated house.
I wish people had half the amount of pride in their work work that you do. A friend had a 700k semi custom home built. He went to check on the progress over lunch and found that the siding crew ran out of house wrap and were in the process of applying siding anyway.
That’s sad
Can you imagine the cost to his productivity to make all these invaluable videos? Blows my mind. I am not a builder and don't ever plan on constructing my own building. But I value the thinking and talent revealed on each build. I marvel at the details and finished product. Just incredible.
I appreciate that and hope that long after I am done building these videos can help others
My guess it’s not done for free. It’s a paid advertisement especially if a CEO is there.
@@RRBuildingsI’m assuming that’s offset to a decent degree by the money that your videos generate. I doubt you’re doing it at a big loss
Heat the house with a candle and cool it with an ice cube. Beautiful workmanship as always.
Your videos are must see for me. Well done Kyle. The addition of a camera man really helps with the visual flow of the video. Can't wait until the next video in this build.
Thanks Ty
@@RRBuildings are you going to have a cameraman for the videos from here on out? Or just the series?
Gotta move out to Illinois and start working for this man cause his knowledge on this stuff is just insane. Doing what seems to be about half of the entire project yourself is how you really make money.
Finally you're getting into proper air and mousture control stuff ;)
Looks like a pretty slick VB system. If they made a roll of the Majrex specifically for the course that contacts the floor with pre-applied tape on the bottom edge, it would save a lot of time, and perhaps give a better seal at the floor/wall junction. Especially if the insulation used doesn't have enough body to push against to get the tape to seal properly? Your attention to detail is outstanding!
I did some anecdotal testing when I build my shop. The primer for wood at concrete makes that tape stick so much better. In your application the flooring will hold it down but in a critical outside application is recommend the primer.
I would definitely want my property's built out by someone as meticulous as you. Even if it took twice as long, it'd be worth the hard work done properly.
I think the words he used were “anal retentive”.
Enjoy the longer format.
Your ability to articulate your points and your ability to teach/train on these videos is top notch.
Much appreciated!
You introducing this new system of building is amazing and I hope you get the recognition deserved
Its "new" to the channel, but its been around in Europe for quite a few years
@@Jack-OfAll-Trades That's everything in building science. In Europe for ten years and USA is way behind. Give everyone in the USA credit where it's due for making it visible here. Our suppliers are 20 years behind the curve and it's impossible to get them to catch up. This creates pressure on them to catch up.
@Luke Pighetti moisture management systems have been around here for a while. CertainTeed makes one that you can pick up at home depot
@@MrVodkaJohn that mindset is exactly why we're 10 years behind Europe for building materials. It makes no room for new technology
@Luke Pighetti Not sure what you are getting at. "new technology" this is old.
The same smart vapor barrier technology is available here.
I used certainteed as an example two fold. One being that the owner Saint gobain is the largest building material manufacturer in the world. Their isover and more important smart vapor barrier vario extra is at the forefront in Europe.
Secondly that the version made for America CertainTeed membrane is available at homedepot. It doesn't get much more widely available than a home center.
I'm not sure if you're planning on it but an air exchanger is a must have for extremely tight homes.
I think it was mentioned already, but yet CONTROLLED ventilation is critical when you build an airtight house. The good news is that you keep out unwanted air and bugs. Then you get a system that admittedly uses a little energy to bring in air from the outside and pre-condition and filter it, before you let it in. Generally you put the suction end in bathrooms, kitchen or other spaces with odors and then return the air to bedrooms and other spaces. The folks over at The Build show has done a bunch of episodes on the various bits of tech to do that. These customers are getting a house that will simply "feel" good all the time and not cold and drafty. Amazing how a little bit of attention and $$ spent on materials will probably save 50% or more on heat in cooling for decades to come compared to a house built to minimum standards. That little but of energy used for fresh air control is more than offset by heating and cooling efficiency
the thing is you can use the Yellow Siga tape which is meant for indoors and the rissan and wigluv are meant for outside, since the Rissan and Wigluv are more elastic it ressist water which is when you use paper on the roof, thats what we use in germany
Not fully true.. Rissan and Sicrall is both made for inside use. Sicrall is meant for flat surface like majrex overlap and Rissan is for corners and little details. I recommend the siga website for more infos
Great to see the craftsmanship - it's almost nonexistent where I live. All houses are built as quickly and with as many corners cut as possible, and minimum code allows it to happen because there's almost nothing about efficiency or air management in it.
This is one of the biggest issues with my 20 year old home, the wind can practically blow through the walls and right around every door and window.
That didn't take long at all and the results were incredible.
That barrier layer makes my heart happy, how straight and neat it looks! 🙌🏻
I feel like I need to retire sooner so I can hire this man to build my house. My OCD is pleased with all of this.
What the hell was that at 12’. Never thought of leaving the end you’re cutting away from attached. Makes total sense 🤯. Thanks Kyle.
GREG deserves a raise 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Looks great for a northern application (Canada) with little AC use. Put that barrier on the exterior of your framing add your insulation outside of it and then apply your cladding it would work anywhere in the world.
It serves a different purpose than housewrap, etc. It's to keep air infiltration out of the walls while letting it dry. You could certainly do exterior insulation as well in warm or hot climates followed by a barrier to keep rain out of the walls.
my knees are hurting just watching this
Wow, that Rockwool really does give you something to push against. 👏
This series is definitely an eye opener. I am looking at building a post frame home within the very near future. All these above and beyond items going into this home is making my list of what to look for and implement in my build.
If I could only get you to build mine I would feel like I hit the lottery.. You are particular like I was until my injury. Í can't find anyone to do this level of work.
On my framing, I just took acoustic caulk on the studs with a 6 mill vapor barrier, only put staples as necessary and then the caulking would seal any holes by the staples that I did use.
It helped to seal any holes from screws when putting in the drywall as well as isolating each stud bay from eachother. When you isolate stud bays from eachother it expotentially makes it more difficult for air leakage.
The log is, when you have an air leak from the outside coming into the house, the likelihood of that same stud bay having an air leak from inside the house is extremely small.
I really appreciate that you guys are skilled craftsmen who know what a level is, much less how to use it. I've been in enough places where I'm certain the subs had no idea what plumb, square, and level meant, just throw it up there and shim it and wherever finish trim doesn't line up, hey just caulk it. Having said that, if air sealing is your main goal, I can't imagine why you would go through all of this rather than just use concrete block construction. Sure block is more expensive but time is money and I'm certain you spent a lot more time on all this joint taping on the exterior, this "Mijrex" stuff, etc. Just my opinion.
Amazing Kyle.Better than 6 mil plastic vapor barrier.Thanks for sharing.
You truly are the last of craftsmen, hopefully your son will carry on.
I found this video so valuable. It will make a huge difference in my techniques as well as save me time and headaches! Thank you and I'd like to see more like this one!
Dad always said, A job worth doing . . . is worth doing well. Still true to this day. I miss you Dad.
Greg is lucky to be able to work with you. I would love to have a boss like you in the way you pay attention to detail and make the work more enjoyable verse rush rush let’s get this done. I’m sure that on occasions but not all the time.
The old man taught me when wrapping a house or room, you can take a telescoping roller arm, place it through the center of the roll, and then use a clamp to hold the bottom of the roll level with your current layer.
I'm trying to get a visual on this, but not seeing it.
I don't know what you're doing and I don't build houses but this is quite satisfying to watch
i Really think that there is a better way, less labor intensive way, to get the same effect and air tightness. I think back years ago when I put up a house with the aluminum faced foam sheets and then taped the joints. We ended up with a house that turning on the stove ventilation would actually cause smoke to come out of the fireplace from that fan. And frankly when we had a group of guests over for a party during the winter months we had to open skylights to let the excess body heat out. I think this home that you constructed will need an air to air heat exchanger to limit odors.
You should come to Norway and watch how we build here. I think you would enjoy it, and learn more about the ideas of construction you already like. We don't do post-frame, but there is a lot of focus on energy-efficiency and building in cold climates.
Kyle, I really appreciate your attention to detail, plus your explanation is top notch! Keep it up!
If your building is tight install a air to air heat exchanger. That way the air inside stays fresh and requires little extra heat.
but with energy costs..its the gift that never stops and maintenance too
it will be interesting to see the radon test results when you're finished.
If radon was a concern in their area a radon system would have been installed before the floor slab was poured
Great work Kyle and Greg, sealed tight! I hope nobody farts in the room?! 😂 😂 just kidding guys! I'm planning to do my enclosed front porch like that. I'll need to review the previous video again. Thanks for being so dedicated to the building craft.
Informative and inspiring as usual, can’t wait to start our build. Still waiting on plans to build from but we are getting closer. Thanks for all you do Kyle, you to Greg :)!
Truly great job! The attention to detail makes this an air tight and durable build! Greg will be enjoying this pace for years and years to come!
You should be proud Kyle, you Inspire a lot of diy chanells, like Ambition Strikes + say they follow the way you do things, you always get a mention .
That’s amazing
@@RRBuildings I got a messsage supposedly from you guys saying I should text you as I have won a prize!! Is this genuine?
Good materials
Good work ethic
This is honestly one of the cleanest installs I've seen in a while. I know that stuff cost more and take more time but all homeowners need to understand how important it is to have good envelope systems. What your doing is so good for the longevity, and efficiency of that structure. Saving so much in the long run!
This is pretty much standard when u build in Sweden. Did a duplex house using the Siga lineup with door blower test and there was no issue.
@32:00 Wasn't expecting so much ASMR in this video Kyle! Love the content!
You're good, well done
I am old school, in my opinion a house has to breath, if you add up the cost of all the sealing material, air to air handler to add fresh air vs how they used to do it. Plus you live in a sealed container. Then we will see studies later on how a super sealed house will cause illnesses
Looking way better than a xmas gift wrap. What a wonderfull job. Im ur fan from Brazil.
Question: Now that I've seen these two videos on insulation, I really like both the Rockwool and the Majrex products. I also really like Structural Insulated Panels (SIP) as well but they are more expensive. I'm not sure what the SIP's cost (because you can order them pre cut or full sheets) but I'm sure that they are more expensive. Watching this video really makes me re consider using SIP's and using the Rockwool and Majrex system instead due to cost and it doesn't seem like the R value is much different. I'm sure the R value is less using this system verses the SIP's but not by much. What's your thoughts on this?
Since I am no longer physically able to build a house like I was in 1989, 90, 92 (one piece at a time), I will have to pay out of pocket for everything (INCLUDING MY HELICOPTER HOVERING). My question is: what do you think doing the rock-wool and vapor barrier like you have done on this build, and cost-comparing it to a 3" closed cell foaming the exterior walls and roof would be. 30-70? 40-60? etc. on my next build. Thanks.
Good question. To do this yourself would be time consuming and labor intensive. If you paid someone to do it, most wouldn't have much experience with it, if any, and the labor cost in addition to the materials, would likely be somewhere close to the cost of 2" of closed cell spray foam, maybe not 3", but would be curious to see as well. Paying someone to do the spray foam and be done with it while I'm working on other things, is likely the way I will go. As with anything, the finished quality of a particular product is very dependent on the quality of it's installation.
You're getting really good practice at wrapping x-mas presents!! It's looking really nice guys!!
Great video! I was pretty convinced that I wanted to spray foam my building until I saw this video, and the one on installing the rockwool!
A proper looking vapor barrier on CZcams.... Now i dont come across that often, i actually had a discussion with a creator on CZcams (who builds quite large and expensive houses) because he doesnt use vapor barriers cause according to him "it gave them problems in the past"..... which blew my mind but kudo's to you sir, looks good.
This isn't a vapor barrier- it's an air barrier that lets moisture pass and dry out. There are good reasons not to do vapor barriers in most non-arctic climates.
@@rsmith02 No clue what you are on about. Marjex 200 is a vapor control layer, it doesnt let vapor in which we call vapor barriers so you dont end up with condensation inside the walls from the inside (which hot, outside is cold, condensation happens blablabla)
The only reason you dont want a vapor barrier on the inside if you are in a hot humid climates.
Its really not that complicated.
reminds me of the fiber/woven house wrap (rather than the paper stuff). Good idea and alternative to vapor barrier.
I’m in the uk and we are so far behind you guys in the states as far as air tight goes I really hope we can make up ground soon
Can’t believe you put it up upside down!!😂😂
it’s mirrored
@@TBajwa I seen that after I mentioned that and felt dumb!!😂🤣
Great air sealing details, Kyle and Greg! I would love to do this on our student-built homes as well!
My goodness, it's gonna take a week for a fart smell to get out of that house!!! Energy efficient is the topic of the day!
@@brucehayes5111 lol
Hi Kyle. We live in a cold climate, Alberta. We plan on building this summer. The wall assembly will be metal cladding, strapping, zip r6, 2x6 walls, rock wool r24, strapping and drywall. Should we use Siga Majrex taped all seams ceiling and walls between the insulation and drywall as well?
I would love to see how you seal the garage! I hate to spend all this energy sealing the house and have a drafty garage. Passive house garage door?? Would be amazing. Keep up the strong work.
it's a slippery slope with diminishing returns. at some point it becomes chasing pennies with dollars while stuffing corporate pockets.
Would this be appropriate for a southern state house in a high humidity area?? As we know, installing a traditional vapor barrier on an interior wall can cause mildew growth when used in a high humidity area. Thanks 😊
Great attention to detail.New products are fascinating.
Cool but can you wrap a Christmas present? Haha...but for real, you guys put SO much attention to detail in these builds, it's absolutely amazing! Well done!
Your videos are always great. It makes me want to build a shop every time
Excellent video! While I'm convinced Siga products are superior, what made you decide the go with your air control layer on the inside of the perimeter wall versus your outside? I'm also a big fan of the rockwall products; how would this approach have competed in price comparison with 2" closed cell foam? Keep the content coming! :)
Kyle, you are an absolute G
haters gonna hate!
love the content, every video.
perfection is in the details.
Spencer Lewis of Insider Carpentry has a Short about the necessity of wearing good knee pads. He recommends “Pro Knee”. Pricey but very comfortable. You are not doing your knees any favors on that concrete surface.
I was planning to use Certainteed Membrane in my post frame shop insulated with Rockwool. This system seems way more robust and easy to work with. That price though.
Definitely going to need a air circulation system.
It is not going to hurt anything if the Centrum extends under your interior wood framing. I am a journeyman carpenter as well as licensed GC.
As for the title, I was thinking that when I watched the insulation install video. That place is extremely airtight
Ever wonder why so many victorian and craftsman homes are still around? No modern insulating, poor water and air sealing. They were not efficient in terms of temperature regulation but because they were so bad at being air tight, any moisture that got in, would dry out from air movement.
All in the details!
And Greg helps too.
Love the channel, keep up the great work.
Very nice video. Love the details. I’m sure this was an expensive project with your extremely skilled labor and use of the Rockwool and Siga products, but I’m sure will pay for itself in a few years due to the energy efficiency. Especially if things keep going the way they are in the USA and elsewhere. Thanks guys!
I would love to see a blower door test on the house, I imagine you don't get much tighter than that.
That’s what she said
Are you going to do a cost breakdown for this build? My Wife and I are looking for what we want to do in building our forever home, and this is definitely on the list.
When I see Rissan, I see Nissan and think it has to be pronounced like the car.
just wow imptrssive as well
Are you paid/sponsored by SIGA? There are many options for this type of advanced building solutions, maybe show some options 👍👍
There is a similar tape for drafty windows and doors, Its called Navy Seal Draught shield tape.
Nice work Kyle.
I was a bit concerned regarding your knees, please try to find some good knee protection when you work on a concrete floor like that, obviously you want to have a problem free retirement when you are at that age.
Cheers from Sweden
Thanks again for this awesome video Kyle. 👍😁
Kyle, question, you’re using a zip siding on this building and you’re putting this material on the inside of the wall. Will this allow the wall to breathe at all? You are trying too air seal this building which is awesome. Or does it breathe at the top of the wall? I fully enjoy your videos with or without Craig in them. Thanks for the details that you explain. Great video.
I'd like to see a cost comparison of this vs 1in of spray foam and batt, or blown in cellulose, including labor. It seems to me the foam would be far more cost effective.
Great demonstration though.
I wonder why you are not using the yellow sicrall at all, it would usually be obvious choice for the straight seams inside. Also I wonder why I have never seen the runner here, it seems useful sometimes.
The make-up air controversy meets the air to air heat exchanger
As a automotive painter I can assure you Kyle it will leak air in that folded corner with out taping it (Every painter knows this). HAHA You can never build a house to air tight!! Great Video.
So using the Weather Logic as an air and moisture barrier on the outside, then using SIGA Majrex as an air and moisture barrier on the inside, does this not trap moisture in the wall? This might be more of a concern in a moisture rich environment, like in the SouthEast U.S.? Thanks Kyle, we definitely rely on your instruction & videos, and will be starting our post-frame buildings this fall.
Having crap knees at 71 years old from (among other things) too much weight work, I was very impressed to see you get vertical with a tool belt using just your knees. I think you have said you were a gym rat in the past. Good info BTW.
Yes, a sealed thermos. That is the way. 👍
I wish i could give you 2 Thumbs up. Great Video as always
Having lived in houses in the south with no basements, I experienced very cold floors due to the concrete being exposed along the edges of the building. Even though it doesn't get extremely cold, it still gets cold enough to seep into the concrete slab floors. How do you make a thermal break at the outer edges of the concrete so as to eliminate that cold seeping into the concrete and thus seeping into the house?
Really enjoying this series! By the way, Paul from Mr Post Frame gave you a shout out pertaining to the Rock Wool and Majrex,
Just get an air exchanger add on for new furnaces, or get a regular one like Spa use that are in tons of homes now. In response to the title/thumbnail.
No such thing as too air tight - nice work!
Cool product but once you factor the material costs of Majrex and Rockwool plus expensive time consuming labor costs for install. I would bet spray foam installation would be competitive or cheaper in cost with same blower door test results.