Enjoyed viewing, I have (3) Liliput HO BR 52's and (1) Borsieg BR 53 (Trix) that I'll be using for my WW II German Military Layout + 11 other German DRG loco's & many military transport wagons.... I will post CZcams video of it, when completed, sometime Summer 2017. Thanks !
I think those trains were technically regarded as freight trains by the DR, and weren't sceduled as passenger trains, so it doesn't really answer the question...my guess is the 52s were used for everything especially when ressources ran low while the whole supply of tools and replacement parts was more and more focussed on the war-locomotives....
Jimmy Incredible Not entirely. Turns out there were passenger trains as well, including first class coaches carrying well to do unsuspecting Jews from Western Europe. The more you know...
Interesting...I'ld have thought the transportation of jewish people in passenger cars would have been more towards the beginning of the NS-regime, while the 52s employment in passenger traffic would have been towards the end of the war when railway capacities became more and more problematic... If you are right, and class 52s were used to pull passenger coaches with western european jews being brought to concentration camps, I'ld say this would probably not hold true for Treblinka, or Auschwitz - maybe for Dachau - for geographic reasons...
I read somewhere that German spies during ww2 actually captured American locomotive blue prints of various 4-8-4's I am curious is to why the Germans didn't reverse engineer one of our ALCO, Baldwin or Lima 4-8-4's these class 52's seem crude compared to what we in the US had. An alco northern produces over 5000 hp and 63,000-80,000 lbs of tractive effort has top speeds into the triple digits. Almost as fast as a mallard. I've read that the 52's had a top speed of 50-60 mph had a tractive effort of 45,000lbs. I know the Germans built these things for numbers and simplicity but why not have an engine that could haul things twice as much and twice as fast? Sometimes less is more.
Eggomania86 their industry was kinda messed up so they needed a lot of locs that were easy to build and maintain. Out of that came the BR-52, a minimalistic locomotive that still looks hella sexy
I think the only thing they would want to copy were some technologies for efficiency and other stuff. European trains then and now have a lot lower axle loads, so a simple copy of an American loco would be way to heavy for our tracks. The br 52 and br 50 have the nice advantage for our track system that they have even lower axle loads than our usual locomotives, so that they can and could be used on low priority branch lines. The ground beneath the tracks also has to take the heavy trains which means higher cost for track building and maintenance. And all the german locos are a bit smaller too, so American locos wouldn't even fit into our tunnels. It seems no long trains were ever needed or useful. Today the industry works towards 800m freight trains in germany, but that's a joke compared to US trains. Historically german cities have always been close together, so that might be a factor for shorter and faster trains.
Wunderschön solch alte Loks.
BR 52 is one of my favorite German locomotives. I just ordered an O gauge version from ETS.
diese 52er ist einmalig.....und immer wieder ein lohnedes Objeckt der Begierde!!!! T O P Video
Wunderbare Aufnahmen, danke an die Filmer.
Danke für den netten Kommentar..
Sehr schöner Film! Schöne Lok und schöne Wagen. Danke fürs Zeigen!
Fantastischer Ganzzug wie er in der Epoche 3 gefahren wurde...top Zusammenstellung!
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Danke für den netten Kommentar..😁
Wunderbar!
great video!
Wonderful views
Schöne Aufnahmen vom Dampfspektakel in Wilgartswiesen und Dahn.
Beautiful. Courtry. .. nice.steam Train ...,
fascinating to see such a fantastic machine doing things it was meant to do
what things it wasn't meant to do?
@@GlitchedBlox Solve a Rubik's cube
@@mcrsit Touche.
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Enjoyed viewing, I have (3) Liliput HO BR 52's and (1) Borsieg BR 53 (Trix) that I'll be using for my WW II German Military Layout + 11 other German DRG loco's & many military transport wagons.... I will post CZcams video of it, when completed, sometime Summer 2017. Thanks !
Frank Lembo that Sounds very cool
I am always surprised by how quiet steam locomotives can be when they aren't pulling a heavy train.
+Jacob Greve
Especially if you take into account the fact that she was built to last only for five years(for the duration).
Cheers!
bademeister many of these locomotives also saw plenty of work in the years after the Second World War, mostly for other countries, like Poland.
6.57 nice!! whoohoeoe! waauw!;)
What a beauty. The class 52s must have been used as passenger locomotives during the Second World War too. Or were they?
TheNw1218 They were use to send people to Aushcwitz, Dachau, and Treblinka. Does that answer your question?
I think those trains were technically regarded as freight trains by the DR, and weren't sceduled as passenger trains, so it doesn't really answer the question...my guess is the 52s were used for everything especially when ressources ran low while the whole supply of tools and replacement parts was more and more focussed on the war-locomotives....
Jimmy Incredible Not entirely. Turns out there were passenger trains as well, including first class coaches carrying well to do unsuspecting Jews from Western Europe. The more you know...
Interesting...I'ld have thought the transportation of jewish people in passenger cars would have been more towards the beginning of the NS-regime, while the 52s employment in passenger traffic would have been towards the end of the war when railway capacities became more and more problematic...
If you are right, and class 52s were used to pull passenger coaches with western european jews being brought to concentration camps, I'ld say this would probably not hold true for Treblinka, or Auschwitz - maybe for Dachau - for geographic reasons...
You can't blame the locomotive for war.
Hat die BR 52 nicht den Schweren Gustav gezogen ?
Nein, dafür wurden extra Diesellokomotiven von der Wehrmacht in Auftrag gegeben, derTyp D 311.
aber ich gehe mal davon aus das das gegen ende des krieges sehr gut sein kann das auch eine BR52 sowas gezogen hat wegen dem starken benzin mangel
Die Lok ist die " Eiserne Lady " von der Museumsbahn in Frankfurt / Main
I read somewhere that German spies during ww2 actually captured American locomotive blue prints of various 4-8-4's I am curious is to why the Germans didn't reverse engineer one of our ALCO, Baldwin or Lima 4-8-4's these class 52's seem crude compared to what we in the US had. An alco northern produces over 5000 hp and 63,000-80,000 lbs of tractive effort has top speeds into the triple digits. Almost as fast as a mallard. I've read that the 52's had a top speed of 50-60 mph had a tractive effort of 45,000lbs. I know the Germans built these things for numbers and simplicity but why not have an engine that could haul things twice as much and twice as fast? Sometimes less is more.
Eggomania86 their industry was kinda messed up so they needed a lot of locs that were easy to build and maintain. Out of that came the BR-52, a minimalistic locomotive that still looks hella sexy
I think the only thing they would want to copy were some technologies for efficiency and other stuff. European trains then and now have a lot lower axle loads, so a simple copy of an American loco would be way to heavy for our tracks. The br 52 and br 50 have the nice advantage for our track system that they have even lower axle loads than our usual locomotives, so that they can and could be used on low priority branch lines. The ground beneath the tracks also has to take the heavy trains which means higher cost for track building and maintenance. And all the german locos are a bit smaller too, so American locos wouldn't even fit into our tunnels.
It seems no long trains were ever needed or useful. Today the industry works towards 800m freight trains in germany, but that's a joke compared to US trains. Historically german cities have always been close together, so that might be a factor for shorter and faster trains.
do you mean they stole the blueprints?
is this one of the steam engines that transported the jews and poor people?
Yup
The concentration camp train in all its glory
Simply stupid, this comment under such a video...!
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