Always had an image in my head of what these places looked like from reading the books and seeing crime scene photos, but its fascinating to see it all come together like this. thank you
S.S .A you had to think of the times this was the 60's people were not worried about such crimes happening especially in such a secluded place. The Manson murder are often considered the one event which put a definitive end to the 60's.
@@a916LEX so very true. There were so many actors, actresses people in different aspects of the business that lived all over the place Beverly Hills. As well as other places. In the 1960s even though I was a child I know that it was a different time and the era and nobody or almost nobody had security the way they have it today.
He was 8 months so he WAS a life sniffed out by those demons. They say that it was 7 murder victims throughout the 2 days of the Tate-LaBianca murders. They NEVER mention the EIGHTH VICTIM of those horrors, the unborn baby Tate was carrying. Sad because at 8 months; he was living EVEN in her womb. SMDH this world.
Maybe one day someone with enough wherewithal will buy that property, demolish the mansion, and reconstruct the original house. Bet the neighbors would love that.
OMG, I just asked you a bunch of questions on another video you did about Charles Manson and the others who did the Tate and labianca murders. I asked you about Cielo Drive off of Benedict Canyon Drive. You answered my questions on this one. By the way you did a great job using the Google Earth and explaining everything. I thought they came from the valley. That's why I thought they made a right on Cielo Drive. But it would be a left coming where they were from. This just gave me chills. I told you I was a child time when this all happened. I happened to live on the corner of Benedict Canyon Drive and Portola Drive where you told the rest of the story. I lived at 2200 Benedict Canyon Drive just right on the corner of Portola and Benedict Canyon Drive. Wow, how close to home was that? Again you did a really good job of explaining everything. I lived at that house till I was 17 years old. Like I said I just heard about it at the time. It was too much to process in a child's head. I know I sound like I'm jumping from one thing to another which I am. Today's the first time I actually heard the most I've ever known about it. Never saw anything on any movie are any book on this subject. I actually accidentally stumbled upon your CZcams channel looking at something else. Well enough of my boring story. Thank you so much for putting the facts into place for me. No drama just what I would want to see. You are pretty amazing at doing what you do in such a short amount of time. I wish I could give the same. I'm all over the place. Please forgive my grammar everyone I will see things Google speech to text.
Guy who demolished the house is a fool, would have been worth alot more as it was than how it is now - doesn’t matter what features he adds. History is worth more
Not to mention the even older Hollywood history of the house. Michele Morgan had the house built and it fit the style of those hills way better than the monstrosity that’s there now.
Some people hated association of Tate murders wanted it gone. That property has million dollar views. La is famous for destroying old properties land putting up huge houses. There is almost no sense of historical lineage of properties there.
The guy whose house they stopped at to rinse off the blood turned out to be an important witness because he wrote down and then memorized the license plates to the car. See the book Helter Skelter.
I'm really surprised that guy didn't connect the dots and think that they were involved in the murders after surely hearing about them the next day.... I don't recall that he contacted police soon after?
Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris became friends with Sharon while they worked on her last movie The Wrecking Crew. How sweet would it have been to have those 2 martial arts legends be there to greet the Manson punks as they broke into the residence?
An amateur ( abet high on drugs)with a gun against a karate world champion with a warrior mindset? I'd say the odds would be more than even. The gun was only a 22 and I think he only had 2 bullets left.
There were a lot of miles & minutes in between the ranch and the Tate home. Many, many minutes that someone could've said "WTH are we about to do? Let's NOT do this" Sad that none of them were human enough to stop the bloodshed.
They were brainwashed by Charlie into thinking they were doing capitalist pigs a favor by killing them. Charlie justified it in part with the Beatles song "Piggies" -- "in their starched white shirts [the rich] what they needs a darn good whacking." Harrison felt so bad about the use of his lyric that he refused to allow Bugliosi to quote it in his book. Susan Atkins told her fellow jail inmate that it took a "lot of love" to kill Tate. That's how a killer rationalizes something evil. That inmate told the DA and it blew open the case.
@@DexterHaven "Capitalist pigs"? Isn't it just a little ironic that the victims were "Capitalist pigs" because they made it in Hollywood..something that Charlie wanted soooo bad that he was willing to kill innocent people (that had NOTHING to do with him being a scumbag and not being able to sing a lick). I guess he REALLY wanted to be a "Capitalist Pig", huh?!
Yeah, good point. ENVY of the successful. That leads to rage, violence, death, mass killings. It plays out before out eyes over and over in Venezuela, Cuba, and Soviet Union. But the media ignores it, since they are envious too or are guilty-rich liberals, scared of bums. @@jereandco
Vianey Frias I’m happy you enjoyed it! I used Google Earth to research places I wanted to go when I realized I could use Google Earth to make the video.
This one really means something to me. As a kid and being related to Abigail Folger, I still remember the shock and horror witnessed in my family over this. It really makes it more real for me.
What a great video. 'Helter Skelter' was the first non-fiction true-crime book I ever read, way back when I was 9 years-old. This Google map guided tour taken by the killers that evening provides a fascinating layer of context to the incident that you simply don't ever see in any coverage of this case. I see you have other similar videos... Looking forward to them!
Just amazing, how you do these videos and Google Earth. I do it when I’m trying to find different businesses that I want to apply to, but you take it to the next level. Awesome work my friend.
I remember this like it was yesterday, I was sitting on the end of my bed watching it on TV, shocked and horrified to know that anyone could be so terribly cruel as those murderers were. Well, Manson is dead now, thank goodness, and we hope the others are NEVER allowed out on patrol, doesn't matter how long it is. How anyone could stab beautiful Sharon in her pregnant belly like that still astounds me. I will NEVER understand how someone could do that, evil or not. And the others who died that night also, just horrible that those innocent lives were taken from them. (No sympathy at all for those killers, never will have.)
Excellent production, Forrest. I read Helter Skelter when I was 16 (1976). In 1977 Vincent Bugliosi came to a college in my hometown (Tacoma, Wa) and spoke. I attended and was able to get his autograph afterwards. In 1980 while serving in the Air Force in California I had an opportunity to drive up to the gate of 10050 Cielo Dr. In 1984 I went to work for the California Dept of Corrections and ended up have a brief conversation with Charles Manson in 1996 while he was housed at Corcoran PHU. My next trip to L.A. I will have to drive out to Spann Ranch.
I’ve been fascinated with this case since growing up in the ‘60’s in Sylmar (Not far from the Roxford St Chevron where Rosemary LaBianca’s wallet was put inside a toilet) and hiked in the Chatsworth hills above the train tunnel, seeing people riding rental horses from Spahn Ranch. In ‘76, after reading ‘Helter Skelter” by Vince Bugliosi, I took my girlfriend and two friends in my just-bought ‘68 Mustang to the Cielo house late one Sunday night. After wandering up and down Benedict Canyon, I pulled over and a Jaguar pulled up beside me, rolled his window down and asked, “You looking for ‘The Place’?” Embarrassed, I admitted, “Yes” to which he exasperatedly replied, “Follow me!” And led us to the gate. An absolutely surreal night. I unfortunately share Manson’s birthday too.....November 12th!
Amazing job recreating this. I saw Once Upon a Time in Hollywood last night and your video showed me what a great job they also did recreating Cielo Drive
Great work on this piece of history. These videos are fascinating. I like all the little details added, like where the pistol and clothes were tossed. And stopping to use an outside faucet at somebody's house. I stumbled across your James Dean video a few days ago and now I'm hooked.
I also heard that they stopped at a Mobil station on Beverly Glen and Ventura Blvd to finish cleaning up before returning to Spann Ranch. Coincidentally, that is the same gas station that was where James Dean was last photographed on Sept 30, 1955.
Cowinkydinks...The La Bianca murders occurred in the former home of Walt Disney, 3301 Waverly Drive. Leno bought the property in 1940 They were murdered the day after the Haunted Mansion opened in Disneyland. 9 August 1969.
Actually, it was the next night after the LaBianca murders where they stopped at the gas station. That is where Rosemary LaBianacas wallet was put in the toilet tank where Charlie wanted a black person to find it being it is a predominately black neighborhood, in hopes they would use the credit cards and be blamed thus helping his nonsense theory of Helter Skelter.
@@deanpd3402 This isn't true at all, as much as I would like it to be. Disney built and lived in the house at 4052 Woking Way. That is the home later bought by Leno LaBianca, who sold and moved out of it three months before the Manson murders at 3301 Waverly, which had been LaBianca's parent's former home. The two homes are nearly a mile distant.
I have been fascinated by the Tate/LaBianca murders since 1974 when I read Helter Skelter. Over the years I’ve revisited and read what I could. I thought I knew quite a bit until OUATIH came out, and there is a resurgence both in my interest and details about this story. I am amazed at how much I didn’t know, including information contained in this video. Thanks for uploading.
Susan Knight Me too. I remember the Cielo Drive murders making headlines when I was eleven. It scared me to death and I live in the U.K. I can’t bear to think of the terror they and the La Biancas must have felt.
Fizza O Yes! Horrific. When I say I am fascinated, it is not in a sensational way. It is more the study of humanity; how people could be pushed mentally to perform such heinous acts.
Few know that Manson and 2 others drove back up to Tate house early August 9th before sunrise. Possibly to retrieve items left there, clean up any direct mistakes, they also moved bodies around, shifted several pieces of furniture..
What a cool concept for a channel! I'm really impressed with your knowledge of the subject and your presentation. I look forward to seeing your treatment of other historical events.
@@justinclayton5149 yea that idiot who pretended like he didnt know it was the murder house even though he took the door that had pig written on it as a souvenir and called the studio in it le pig or some horseshit like that. He's up his own arse.
M.O'Riley I think it was right that it was demolished. Could you imagine living in that house with everything the same as it was back in 1969? Same Carpet and everything? It’d be fucking horrible. No matter how much that place was cleaned, just knowing what happened in that house would be utterly horrific to think about daily.
Fun fact: before going back to Chatsworth they refilled at the same gas station at which James Dean took his last photo, on the corner of Ventura and Beverly Glen.
@@MariusHelleMC Well...Did you hear the story the famous actor ,Alex Guinness told about James Dean? He and his friends ate a meal with Dean at a restaurant where Dean showed his new car to him . It had a bouquet of red roses tied to it. Alex said something odd came over him and he asked Dean if he had been in it yet. Dean said no. Alex warned him as he was looking down at his watch ....It is now 10 :00 pm Thursday.....If you get in that car ...sit in it...you will be dead by next Thursday at 10:00 pm. Dean laughed it off .By the next Thursday at 2:00 pm.....he was dead. Alex thought he was a gifted young man and said he had wished he could of had the chance to get to know him.
Great video !This subject has fascinated me for more than 50 years. I was 14 when the killings happened. A couple of years later, my mother and I drove up to Cielo drive and found the gate blocking the driveway leading up to the murder house. What we saw was the same as a photo in Vincent Bugliosi's book Helter Skelter.
Thanks for the information! You are right about the pole. I have seen in many videos people think it is the originaly remaning pole on property since that time.
L B J your welcome! It bothered me when I would see videos with wrong information, so I decided to do one with correct information about this unfortunate incident.
Re the guy who came out of his house while they were washing the blood off. It's incredible that they didn't kill him as well. Whew, talk about having an angel on your shoulder!
Ummmm guys...you need to learn the story....kill the guy that came out of the house? you say? With what? Watson had already thrown the broken gun out of the window of the car and one of the knives the killers lost at the murder scene. They wanted to go back and get it but Tex overruled the girls. No weapons to kill with at the time.
@@billthompson6442 I agree....But I didn't think of it as "cursed". Just from my own experience and watching what has happened to neighbors over the years....I think people have more energy or energy that lingers after they are gone then people realize. When people shop for a home ...they sometimes are drawn to one not understanding quite why they like it or are uncomfortable being in it and want to leave . They can't put their finger on why ....just that it doesn't feel right. The home I bought ...I loved the garden but as soon as I walked in the front door....I felt I belonged there....even though something felt very sad . I didn't know at the time that ...4 different previous owners had all been painters. I'm a painter. I locked myself out the first week I lived there and didn't know what I was going to do for a minute . Then I had a thought that I followed up on...I walked around to the side of the house , near a vent pipe and started digging with a shovel from the shed. About 6 inches down I hit a lid. It was an old rusty jar with a key in it. It opened the front door. There had been no sign something was buried there.....I just had a feeling that was strong to go there. That key could have been buried in a lot of places around the cottage but I stopped there. You may call it intuition whatever ...I call it energy and intuition. The neighbors said months later they thought I was the previous owner's daughter because I looked like her and dressed like her .She died on the property , alone crying for help and no one came to help her. The neighbors said they heard her but assumed someone came to her aid. She was found deceased in the backyard by a relative visiting. There are many times I can recall of the same type of people drawn to the same house and moving in...... It's not the house... The World is full of distractions and the Human spirit is trying to filter those distractions , sometimes overloading or bombarding the senses or their instincts . The results can be good or bad. It seems like energy to me. Not everything has to be seen to know it exists. We know that.....some know it....feel it more than others and react accordingly .....just my thoughts on it.
lynn craig: What a sacred story about intuitively finding the house key! Cool story. I’m so sorry the previous owner’s cries went unheard. The poor thing.
The owner of the film move his family into the home at 1500 Cielo Drive in December of 1969 because no one wanted to rent it! He also sent Polanski the bill for the cleaning of the rug upon which his unborn child and wife were butchered!
I read Helter Skelter six years ago and tried a little google earthing myself on these locations but I wish this video was available then. Really good information here. Thanks.
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 Thank you.I am related to Abigail through the geneology of my father.My dad's brother,my uncle is our family geneologist and was doing some research on the Bailey side of our family and found that Benjiman Franklin's mothers maiden name was Folger.Her full name being Abia Folger Franklin.So Abias niece Susan Folger married into the Bailey side of our family.So my uncle wondering if any of the Folgers were still alive was sadly led to the story of Abigail's tragic death.So long story short we never got to meet her.
The choosing of the place was premeditated. And it calls my attention how they followed orders because they didn´t kill the man of the house where they cleaned the blood.
I just found your channel, it’s very interesting. I’m pretty fascinated with this case,have been for years. My birthday is August 13th 1969. Hard to believe that Sharons son would be around my age.
Quite some commentary, location accuracy from birds eye view and Hollywood history knowledge. Thanks for the info. Curious if you've done this for other infamous murders? If so ever considered doing one on the Cunanan chain of murders that ended with Gianni Versace?
I was at the house on August 8, 1993 for the 24 Anniversary. I happened to be with Skrew and Chemlab when they were on tour and they had a show in Hollywood. Trent Reznor and Flood had invited both bands back to their place and gave us the grand tour using the "Helter Skelter" book as a guide. It was FREAKY.
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 I was instructed NOT to take my camera inside the house....besides, a week later, my camera and all my film (developed and undeveloped) was stolen out of my car. They also stole my sunglasses and chewing gum!
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 Just a couple of hours. We probably left about 4:00-5:00 am. He had one of John Lennon's harpsichords in his basement. I made sure that I touched EVERY key!
Great research..I had no idea they travelled down my 'hood on Beverly Glen returning to the Spahn Ranch. How fortuitous the kid found the gun in his family's back yard---it could have easily been entangled on a tree branch for decades!
Thanks ,very interesting ,I always wanted to see the area. 50 years later it still haunts me,I remember being afraid of someone coming inside our house and killing the family,I was 12.and a fan of Sharon Tate.
Seeing these actual locations where the murders threw the clothes and gun and the way every location looks is just the way I pictured in my head reading the novel ''Helter Skelter'' and seeing the 1976 film, amazing how small the Tate residence looked and how close the neighbors were its surprising with all the screaming and gunshots echoing through the quiet canyon that no one came to help or called the police! Such a horrible crime, may all the victims rest in peace!
They made their choice , now they have to live with it. No amount of time will fill the catastrophic hole they created. They don’t deserve anything good to happen to them.!
HI thank you for doing this. It is a horror to be reminded of this. You must be tired. Nice bike. I wish I could see more of you. thank you for your work. I hope you will do more of this.
@Spermwhale1000 Yes thank you Mr. Spermwhale. Big news here in Australia all over the TV and newspapers. So is that Canada stuff with the 2 fugitives found dead which we are all very suspicious about...
I read The Beach Boy's Mike Love's book and in it he says that Dennis Wilson picked up the girls hitchhiking one night and let them hang out at his place to have sex. They never left. After awhile the girls brought Charlie around and he befriended Dennis. Dennis was a whacked out mess at this point. Dennis introduced him to Terry Melcher and they talked about recording some of Charlie's songs he'd written. When Terry realized that the whole idea was whacked and Charlie was a nutcase, Charlie was threatening Terry and Dennis. Dennis just vacated his house and didn't pay the rent. Eventually the landlord threw Charlie and the girls out. According to Mike Love, he and Bruce Johnson were actually invited over one night to meet Charlie over dinner. Charlie tried to use the girls to seduce Mike and Bruce into an orgy. Mike said he could tell right away Charlie was a con-man and a whacko , so he and Bruce were kinda freaked out by the whole thing and just split. This was like a year before the Tate murders i think
This is another crime scene that fascinates me. Helter Skelter is a great book! I actually had a brief encounter with Vincent Bugliosi in late 1999 or early 2000 in S. Pasadena. He walked into the small packing/shipping business where I worked at the time, saying he wanted to ship a pair of eyeglasses to somebody.
That guy was a piece of shit. Using the murders for his own notoriety & giving Kaspian immunity when she was clearly, clearly an accessory to murder on both nights. If you watch the Larry King interview from 09' you'll see him answering Linda's questions for her as he's fucking petrified as to what she might say.
For so long I had it in my mind that it was an isolated estate up in the Hollywood hills. It wasn’t until the last few years that I realized just how close the neighbors actually were. That is very fascinating. If only one of the victims could have gotten to one of the other houses. Or if Linda would have done the right thing and gone for help. But these scenarios likely could have led to more victims. Sadly there are just too many what if’s with this horrendous case.
Most of us that have seen the crime scene pics at the Tate residence will never be able to unsee it. It was gruesome, and the thought of the Manson family committing this crime chills me to the core.
Therese Ember do da do doo do da do doo..... that was the twilight zone theme by the way... just thought I'd mention that, what with the copywrite laws being what they are an all
Im really impressed with your knowledge of the area. This is the most thorough explanation I've seen.
simulatedbass I’m happy you enjoyed it!
Me too! Forrest Haggerty, are you from LA?
@@crmay72 yes he said he was born in it in another video... Btw me too😂
It’s called having too much time
Always had an image in my head of what these places looked like from reading the books and seeing crime scene photos, but its fascinating to see it all come together like this. thank you
Lisa Launspach you’re welcome! Thank you for commenting.
Spahn ranch is now a state park area.
The horror those people went through, you can't imagine it even in your worst nightmare
BassGirlSusan I agree, especially for Sharon who had to wait and listen while all the others were killed before her.
I believe she was restrained by a rope and had no means of escape. No wonder people have never forgotten after almost 50 years
Manson was in the desert minding his business. You just a snowflake. Get a job and u won't be mad at the world
S.S .A you had to think of the times this was the 60's people were not worried about such crimes happening especially in such a secluded place. The Manson murder are often considered the one event which put a definitive end to the 60's.
@@a916LEX so very true. There were so many actors, actresses people in different aspects of the business that lived all over the place Beverly Hills. As well as other places. In the 1960s even though I was a child I know that it was a different time and the era and nobody or almost nobody had security the way they have it today.
Anyone here after watching once upon a time in Hollywood
Super film. I loved it (also lived through the true murders)......Great final scene, cathartic.
Michael Stephan yo
Cliff hauled ass down that driveway with the tunes blasting!!!!!
нαςκεямαη You’re shallow. Best movie ever. Beautiful happy ending.
It was his worst film ..the storyline sucks in the movie ..if saw the trailer you have already seen the movie
Rest In Peace Sharon Marie Tate. (1943-1969)
R.I.P. Sharon( Baby Paul Richard) Jay, Gibby ,Voytek and Steve Parent.. you are NEVER forgotten!
😢💔😢
@THESATURNSSC1 You mean Mr. and Mrs. LaBianca?
hahahaha it happened long long time ago and you say Rest in peace, hahah fool
And Abigail Folger
Its so sad sharons son paul would of been 50 now😞 may they rest in peace together X
Nicola Brooke Paul?
@@peggysullivan5396 unborn paul richard polanski
He was 8 months so he WAS a life sniffed out by those demons. They say that it was 7 murder victims throughout the 2 days of the Tate-LaBianca murders. They NEVER mention the EIGHTH VICTIM of those horrors, the unborn baby Tate was carrying. Sad because at 8 months; he was living EVEN in her womb. SMDH this world.
@@peggysullivan5396 you didn't know that???
@@s7s7Joy I hope and pray that they never let the killers out, especially that psycho Tex Watson who I understand carried out most of the murders.
Wow, the French farmhouse of the original house fit so much more nicely in the canyon. The new one is a monstrosity.
Agreed. Jeff Franklin is a tasteless asshole.
Yeah, the old ranch house was much more homey. But after those murders, its days were numbered, I guess. Too many bad memories to sleep by.
Yeah, coincidental that he produced "Full House" and then built an over-stuffed one.
Maybe one day someone with enough wherewithal will buy that property, demolish the mansion, and reconstruct the original house. Bet the neighbors would love that.
Now that is a killer-idea! Give that man a cigar. @@dougaschenbrenner802
2:45 I recognized that sharp turn straight from Once Upon a time in Hollywood. That’s totally where they filmed it!
it is!
Definitely the same turn.
Will Devine is it but just saying i live by there and there are a lot of sharp turns like this
DAVID Sanchez it’s got the houses, the traffic lights, the stop sign on the road it all lines up
FijiStar Productions obviously i’m just saying that cuz i live on bella dr
OMG, I just asked you a bunch of questions on another video you did about Charles Manson and the others who did the Tate and labianca murders. I asked you about Cielo Drive off of Benedict Canyon Drive. You answered my questions on this one. By the way you did a great job using the Google Earth and explaining everything. I thought they came from the valley. That's why I thought they made a right on Cielo Drive. But it would be a left coming where they were from. This just gave me chills. I told you I was a child time when this all happened. I happened to live on the corner of Benedict Canyon Drive and Portola Drive where you told the rest of the story. I lived at 2200 Benedict Canyon Drive just right on the corner of Portola and Benedict Canyon Drive. Wow, how close to home was that? Again you did a really good job of explaining everything. I lived at that house till I was 17 years old. Like I said I just heard about it at the time. It was too much to process in a child's head. I know I sound like I'm jumping from one thing to another which I am. Today's the first time I actually heard the most I've ever known about it. Never saw anything on any movie are any book on this subject. I actually accidentally stumbled upon your CZcams channel looking at something else. Well enough of my boring story. Thank you so much for putting the facts into place for me. No drama just what I would want to see. You are pretty amazing at doing what you do in such a short amount of time. I wish I could give the same. I'm all over the place. Please forgive my grammar everyone I will see things Google speech to text.
Guy who demolished the house is a fool, would have been worth alot more as it was than how it is now - doesn’t matter what features he adds. History is worth more
Not to mention the even older Hollywood history of the house. Michele Morgan had the house built and it fit the style of those hills way better than the monstrosity that’s there now.
Explain that to Sharon's mother
Some people hated association of Tate murders wanted it gone. That property has million dollar views. La is famous for destroying old properties land putting up huge houses. There is almost no sense of historical lineage of properties there.
Would have been an insane air b n b lol.
Trent Reznor is the one who sold it last 😒 🤔
The guy whose house they stopped at to rinse off the blood turned out to be an important witness because he wrote down and then memorized the license plates to the car. See the book Helter Skelter.
A book came out last year titled Chaos on this whole 60,s saga.
@1StarProductions glad I’m not the only one who sees Chaos book as just another BS narrative on the case
I'm really surprised that guy didn't connect the dots and think that they were involved in the murders after surely hearing about them the next day.... I don't recall that he contacted police soon after?
@@MeeMee-gz5vp Yeah, Chaos and the writer Tom O'Neill are pure garbage...
I like the old house better.
Claretea so do I.
Wow. Absolutely amazing the time and detail you put into this. It is so appreciated. Thank you sincerely.
Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris became friends with Sharon while they worked on her last movie The Wrecking Crew.
How sweet would it have been to have those 2 martial arts legends be there to greet the Manson punks as they
broke into the residence?
Tex had a gun. Two more corpses would have been added to the list.
The thing is that watson had a gun
More dead bodies
An amateur ( abet high on drugs)with a gun against a karate world champion with a warrior mindset? I'd say the odds would be more than even. The gun was only a 22 and I think he only had 2 bullets left.
Nope it held 9 rounds! So it would have 3? Rounds left
Amazing video! Thank you so much forest for taking the time to map all this out for us enthusiasts . This is fascinating!
enthusiasts ???
@@regmunday8354 was thinking the same thing. a poor and thoughtless choice of words.
RIP, everyone of you. Excellent presentation Bud. Today is Aug. 8! Chills.
There were a lot of miles & minutes in between the ranch and the Tate home. Many, many minutes that someone could've said "WTH are we about to do? Let's NOT do this" Sad that none of them were human enough to stop the bloodshed.
jerelyn scott very true. They were also very high on meth and other drugs.
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 this is true, and yet another reason why hard core illicit drugs are illegal.
They were brainwashed by Charlie into thinking they were doing capitalist pigs a favor by killing them. Charlie justified it in part with the Beatles song "Piggies" -- "in their starched white shirts [the rich] what they needs a darn good whacking." Harrison felt so bad about the use of his lyric that he refused to allow Bugliosi to quote it in his book. Susan Atkins told her fellow jail inmate that it took a "lot of love" to kill Tate. That's how a killer rationalizes something evil. That inmate told the DA and it blew open the case.
@@DexterHaven "Capitalist pigs"? Isn't it just a little ironic that the victims were "Capitalist pigs" because they made it in Hollywood..something that Charlie wanted soooo bad that he was willing to kill innocent people (that had NOTHING to do with him being a scumbag and not being able to sing a lick). I guess he REALLY wanted to be a "Capitalist Pig", huh?!
Yeah, good point. ENVY of the successful. That leads to rage, violence, death, mass killings. It plays out before out eyes over and over in Venezuela, Cuba, and Soviet Union. But the media ignores it, since they are envious too or are guilty-rich liberals, scared of bums. @@jereandco
FASCINATING STUFF! . . . Thanks for mapping it out with such detail.
Might just be the best-described video of a historical factual story I have ever watched. Great job on this video.
walter white
It's easy for charismatic people to brainwash weak-willed people. No supernatural powers needed. Your theory is totally invalid.
Very informative! I really enjoy your videos.
Vianey Frias I’m happy you enjoyed it! I used Google Earth to research places I wanted to go when I realized I could use Google Earth to make the video.
Vianey Frias I
This one really means something to me. As a kid and being related to Abigail Folger, I still remember the shock and horror witnessed in my family over this. It really makes it more real for me.
Michael Metzger how are you related to her?
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 probably a cousin
Riiiiight. Everyone wants a piece of this case. Pathetic.
What a great video. 'Helter Skelter' was the first non-fiction true-crime book I ever read, way back when I was 9 years-old. This Google map guided tour taken by the killers that evening provides a fascinating layer of context to the incident that you simply don't ever see in any coverage of this case. I see you have other similar videos... Looking forward to them!
You read Helter Skelter at NINE years old?? Wow! I was watching The Flintstones.
Just amazing, how you do these videos and Google Earth. I do it when I’m trying to find different businesses that I want to apply to, but you take it to the next level. Awesome work my friend.
Excellent job! From everything I've read or seen about the killings, you are spot on with the locations.
Balding Ogre thank you! I read Tex Watson’s book, ‘Will you die for me’ and he gives many details in it. It was very helpful in making this video.
Love your videos, please keep them coming! Also love your book mentions so we can read more if we want. All around super awesome. Thanks.
An excellent accounting of the crime scene locations and their relationships to one another! Thank you!!!
I remember this like it was yesterday, I was sitting on the end of my bed watching it on TV, shocked and horrified to know that anyone could be so terribly cruel as those murderers were. Well, Manson is dead now, thank goodness, and we hope the others are NEVER allowed out on patrol, doesn't matter how long it is. How anyone could stab beautiful Sharon in her pregnant belly like that still astounds me. I will NEVER understand how someone could do that, evil or not. And the others who died that night also, just horrible that those innocent lives were taken from them. (No sympathy at all for those killers, never will have.)
I don't think they'll make parole. Great. But they want sympathy.
Tex Watson is a Christian now, I don't buy it. Makes me sick that he got to have children. He must never be let out.
Excellent production, Forrest. I read Helter Skelter when I was 16 (1976). In 1977 Vincent Bugliosi came to a college in my hometown (Tacoma, Wa) and spoke. I attended and was able to get his autograph afterwards. In 1980 while serving in the Air Force in California I had an opportunity to drive up to the gate of 10050 Cielo Dr. In 1984 I went to work for the California Dept of Corrections and ended up have a brief conversation with Charles Manson in 1996 while he was housed at Corcoran PHU. My next trip to L.A. I will have to drive out to Spann Ranch.
Cool. Not much to see at Spahn these days though!
It's all so terrifying ty for taking the time to explain the details!!
I’ve been fascinated with this case since growing up in the ‘60’s in Sylmar (Not far from the Roxford St Chevron where Rosemary LaBianca’s wallet was put inside a toilet) and hiked in the Chatsworth hills above the train tunnel, seeing people riding rental horses from Spahn Ranch. In ‘76, after reading ‘Helter Skelter” by Vince Bugliosi, I took my girlfriend and two friends in my just-bought ‘68 Mustang to the Cielo house late one Sunday night. After wandering up and down Benedict Canyon, I pulled over and a Jaguar pulled up beside me, rolled his window down and asked, “You looking for ‘The Place’?” Embarrassed, I admitted, “Yes” to which he exasperatedly replied, “Follow me!” And led us to the gate. An absolutely surreal night. I unfortunately share Manson’s birthday too.....November 12th!
Wow.
That’s some research. If you aren’t a detective, you are in the wrong line of work! Great job!
Amazing job recreating this. I saw Once Upon a Time in Hollywood last night and your video showed me what a great job they also did recreating Cielo Drive
Great work on this piece of history. These videos are fascinating. I like all the little details added, like where the pistol and clothes were tossed. And stopping to use an outside faucet at somebody's house. I stumbled across your James Dean video a few days ago and now I'm hooked.
I also heard that they stopped at a Mobil station on Beverly Glen and Ventura Blvd to finish cleaning up before returning to Spann Ranch. Coincidentally, that is the same gas station that was where James Dean was last photographed on Sept 30, 1955.
i thought James Dean was last photographed in the gas station up north right before he died
It is strange that they cleaned themselves before going to the ranch if they could clean there
Cowinkydinks...The La Bianca murders occurred in the former home of Walt Disney, 3301 Waverly Drive. Leno bought the property in 1940 They were murdered the day after the Haunted Mansion opened in Disneyland. 9 August 1969.
Actually, it was the next night after the LaBianca murders where they stopped at the gas station. That is where Rosemary LaBianacas wallet was put in the toilet tank where Charlie wanted a black person to find it being it is a predominately black neighborhood, in hopes they would use the credit cards and be blamed thus helping his nonsense theory of Helter Skelter.
@@deanpd3402 This isn't true at all, as much as I would like it to be. Disney built and lived in the house at 4052 Woking Way. That is the home later bought by Leno LaBianca, who sold and moved out of it three months before the Manson murders at 3301 Waverly, which had been LaBianca's parent's former home. The two homes are nearly a mile distant.
I have been fascinated by the Tate/LaBianca murders since 1974 when I read Helter Skelter. Over the years I’ve revisited and read what I could. I thought I knew quite a bit until OUATIH came out, and there is a resurgence both in my interest and details about this story. I am amazed at how much I didn’t know, including information contained in this video. Thanks for uploading.
Susan Knight Me too. I remember the Cielo Drive murders making headlines when I was eleven. It scared me to death and I live in the U.K. I can’t bear to think of the terror they and the La Biancas must have felt.
Fizza O Yes! Horrific. When I say I am fascinated, it is not in a sensational way. It is more the study of humanity; how people could be pushed mentally to perform such heinous acts.
Few know that Manson and 2 others drove back up to Tate house early August 9th before sunrise. Possibly to retrieve items left there, clean up any direct mistakes, they also moved bodies around, shifted several pieces of furniture..
Very detailed and planned out video. You did your research. Well done.
This was great. Thank you for making it.
This is very impressive video, thanks for posting.
Learned a lot of new things I never heard before .
thanks
Who is here after seeing Once upon a time in hollywood? Hit like
I intend to see Once Upon a Time. Not getting released here till 15 August.
нαςκεямαη if you hate Charles Manson and his family then you are going to love once upon a time in hollywood I know I do
Dean PD it’s one hell of a movie you will love it if you hate Charles Manson and his family
Stupid as fuck movie. His worst to date.
Saw it this weekend lol.
What a cool concept for a channel! I'm really impressed with your knowledge of the subject and your presentation. I look forward to seeing your treatment of other historical events.
Cool video, man! I was already familiar with the route, but I didn't know about the evidence drops.
Thanks for sharing! :)
Kasper you’re welcome. I’m happy it helped you out.
What a ghastly mansion that has replaced the old house. It should have never been demolished.
And never been allowed to ruin the homes original beauty,or address
Who would have wanted to move into the original house?
@@bonnieirvin5793 Trent Reznor
@@justinclayton5149 yea that idiot who pretended like he didnt know it was the murder house even though he took the door that had pig written on it as a souvenir and called the studio in it le pig or some horseshit like that. He's up his own arse.
M.O'Riley I think it was right that it was demolished. Could you imagine living in that house with everything the same as it was back in 1969? Same Carpet and everything? It’d be fucking horrible. No matter how much that place was cleaned, just knowing what happened in that house would be utterly horrific to think about daily.
I love, your voice. It's so gentle.
Thank you, for your informative video.
Fascinating...I never knew about the incident with the home owner on Potelo drive or any of the other details after the murders.
Fun fact: before going back to Chatsworth they refilled at the same gas station at which James Dean took his last photo, on the corner of Ventura and Beverly Glen.
Remind me to never stop at that station for a candy bar.😬
@@lynncraig6151 well that shouldn't be necessary, cause that station is torn down :P
@@MariusHelleMC Well...Did you hear the story the famous actor ,Alex Guinness told about James Dean? He and his friends ate a meal with Dean at a restaurant where Dean showed his new car to him . It had a bouquet of red roses tied to it. Alex said something odd came over him and he asked Dean if he had been in it yet. Dean said no. Alex warned him as he was looking down at his watch ....It is now 10 :00 pm Thursday.....If you get in that car ...sit in it...you will be dead by next Thursday at 10:00 pm. Dean laughed it off .By the next Thursday at 2:00 pm.....he was dead. Alex thought he was a gifted young man and said he had wished he could of had the chance to get to know him.
@@lynncraig6151 Alec Guinness
Chad that was the next night after the Labianca murders
Great video !This subject has fascinated me for more than 50 years. I was 14 when the killings happened. A couple of years later, my mother and I drove up to Cielo drive and found the gate blocking the driveway leading up to the murder house. What we saw was the same as a photo in Vincent Bugliosi's book Helter Skelter.
Quite the long trip for the freaks to get to their destination. How truly terrifying it must have been for everyone in that house. So sad.
I stumbled across your video, but was immediately hooked. Great video, thanks for making it. I am starting to look at your others too! Thanks.
I freaking love your vlogs! I live here and it is so much actual info, thank you!
Thanks for the information! You are right about the pole. I have seen in many videos people think it is the originaly remaning pole on property since that time.
L B J your welcome! It bothered me when I would see videos with wrong information, so I decided to do one with correct information about this unfortunate incident.
Re the guy who came out of his house while they were washing the blood off. It's incredible that they didn't kill him as well. Whew, talk about having an angel on your shoulder!
indy_go_blue60 Tex Watson said that he didn’t shoot the guy because that was not in Manson’s plans for that night.
indy_go_blue60 It’s pretty stunning, really.
Ummmm guys...you need to learn the story....kill the guy that came out of the house? you say? With what? Watson had already thrown the broken gun out of the window of the car and one of the knives the killers lost at the murder scene. They wanted to go back and get it but Tex overruled the girls. No weapons to kill with at the time.
@@jeffnelson2930, they discarded their clothes and Tex threw the gun out of the car later, not before.
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AFAIK all the bullets had been fired. Did he carry extra ammo? Had he reloaded?
Thanks for taking us through the events, so much I didn’t know about he case
Very well researched and very in depth...great video on a grisly subject
Another great video Sharon Tate story is still fascinating.
I can't imagine wanting to buy that land .I know they ripped the house out but ...still the energy there...has got to be bad.
@@billthompson6442 I agree....But I didn't think of it as "cursed". Just from my own experience and watching what has happened to neighbors over the years....I think people have more energy or energy that lingers after they are gone then people realize. When people shop for a home ...they sometimes are drawn to one not understanding quite why they like it or are uncomfortable being in it and want to leave . They can't put their finger on why ....just that it doesn't feel right. The home I bought ...I loved the garden but as soon as I walked in the front door....I felt I belonged there....even though something felt very sad . I didn't know at the time that ...4 different previous owners had all been painters. I'm a painter. I locked myself out the first week I lived there and didn't know what I was going to do for a minute . Then I had a thought that I followed up on...I walked around to the side of the house , near a vent pipe and started digging with a shovel from the shed. About 6 inches down I hit a lid. It was an old rusty jar with a key in it. It opened the front door. There had been no sign something was buried there.....I just had a feeling that was strong to go there. That key could have been buried in a lot of places around the cottage but I stopped there. You may call it intuition whatever ...I call it energy and intuition. The neighbors said months later they thought I was the previous owner's daughter because I looked like her and dressed like her .She died on the property , alone crying for help and no one came to help her. The neighbors said they heard her but assumed someone came to her aid. She was found deceased in the backyard by a relative visiting. There are many times I can recall of the same type of people drawn to the same house and moving in...... It's not the house... The World is full of distractions and the Human spirit is trying to filter those distractions , sometimes overloading or bombarding the senses or their instincts . The results can be good or bad. It seems like energy to me. Not everything has to be seen to know it exists. We know that.....some know it....feel it more than others and react accordingly .....just my thoughts on it.
lynn craig: What a sacred story about intuitively finding the house key! Cool story. I’m so sorry the previous owner’s cries went unheard. The poor thing.
There's some bad juju up there.
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The owner of the film move his family into the home at 1500 Cielo Drive in December of 1969 because no one wanted to rent it! He also sent Polanski the bill for the cleaning of the rug upon which his unborn child and wife were butchered!
The owner of the home, not film! Sorry!
Thank you for this. I love retracing steps in crime scenes.
I read Helter Skelter six years ago and tried a little google earthing myself on these locations but I wish this video was available then. Really good information here. Thanks.
My distant cousin Abigail Folger was murdered along with Sharon Tate as well.
Mary Bailey-Gates I’m sorry to hear that. How are you related to her?
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 Thank you.I am related to Abigail through the geneology of my father.My dad's brother,my uncle is our family geneologist and was doing some research on the Bailey side of our family and found that Benjiman Franklin's mothers maiden name was Folger.Her full name being Abia Folger Franklin.So Abias niece Susan Folger married into the Bailey side of our family.So my uncle wondering if any of the Folgers were still alive was sadly led to the story of Abigail's tragic death.So long story short we never got to meet her.
Mary Bailey-Gates That’s insane. What a story. I couldn’t imagine the shock when you found and your family found out!
I heard that her father put a bounty out on Manson (not my words) but of course he was too well protected in prison.
@@relicreapers571 I think that was Sharons dad but I may be wrong
Nicely done. Very informative.
Iain McCallum thank you! I'm happy you enjoyed it.
Great job, very cool the way this video was made.
Oh wow ! Thanks for sharing
Very Nice and informative vid, Forrest!
Pedro Chicherchio thank you. I'm happy you enjoyed it!
The choosing of the place was premeditated. And it calls my attention how they followed orders because they didn´t kill the man of the house where they cleaned the blood.
Thank you so much for taking the time to do this really good informative video. Some facts you mentioned I have never heard of before. :)
Sam I’m happy you enjoyed it!
Wow! Great video and awesome research. Well done.
I just found your channel, it’s very interesting. I’m pretty fascinated with this case,have been for years. My birthday is August 13th 1969. Hard to believe that Sharons son would be around my age.
My birthday was August 14th 1969, how fast is time ☹ this story has been in my mind for gawd knows how long..from Australia.
Thanks for the great videos. Could you do the Donner Family?
thanks for posting
Another wonderful video!
Quite some commentary, location accuracy from birds eye view and Hollywood history knowledge. Thanks for the info. Curious if you've done this for other infamous murders? If so ever considered doing one on the Cunanan chain of murders that ended with Gianni Versace?
I was at the house on August 8, 1993 for the 24 Anniversary. I happened to be with Skrew and Chemlab when they were on tour and they had a show in Hollywood. Trent Reznor and Flood had invited both bands back to their place and gave us the grand tour using the "Helter Skelter" book as a guide. It was FREAKY.
1santos1 did you happen to take any pictures?
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 I was instructed NOT to take my camera inside the house....besides, a week later, my camera and all my film (developed and undeveloped) was stolen out of my car. They also stole my sunglasses and chewing gum!
1santos1 how much time did you spend in the house?
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 Just a couple of hours. We probably left about 4:00-5:00 am. He had one of John Lennon's harpsichords in his basement. I made sure that I touched EVERY key!
1santos1 I didn’t know the house had a basement. Where was it?
Good job putting this together.
Awesome video bro, great insight!
Great research..I had no idea they travelled down my 'hood on Beverly Glen returning to the Spahn Ranch. How fortuitous the kid found the gun in his family's back yard---it could have easily been entangled on a tree branch for decades!
Thanks for this. Never knew the “get away” story. What a bunch of sickos!
This is one of my favorite and best videos on the subject
Very informative and sad at the same time. Thank you!
Btw, I'm an oldie roadie and some of those roads look brutal to ride up!
Thanks ,very interesting ,I always wanted to see the area. 50 years later it still haunts me,I remember being afraid of someone coming inside our house and killing the family,I was 12.and a fan of Sharon Tate.
I remember she was on the Beverly Hillbillies sometimes.
Seeing these actual locations where the murders threw the clothes and gun and the way every location looks is just the way I pictured in my head reading the novel ''Helter Skelter'' and seeing the 1976 film, amazing how small the Tate residence looked and how close the neighbors were its surprising with all the screaming and gunshots echoing through the quiet canyon that no one came to help or called the police! Such a horrible crime, may all the victims rest in peace!
Great idea for video content. I subscribed. As a student of history I find your videos very interesting
Very interesting. Thanks for posting this.
They made their choice , now they have to live with it. No amount of time will fill the catastrophic hole they created. They don’t deserve anything good to happen to them.!
They just killed Rapist assholes, NEITHER side was good!!!!
Ugh, makes me kinda sad they tore the house down to build... that monstrosity. I get people like a good mansion but 🤢 I hate that style
Great Job, very interesting to listen with all the details.
HI thank you for doing this. It is a horror to be reminded of this. You must be tired. Nice bike. I wish I could see more of you. thank you for your work. I hope you will do more of this.
50 YEAR ANNIVERSARY COMING UP THIS THURSDAY.
@Spermwhale1000 Yes thank you Mr. Spermwhale. Big news here in Australia all over the TV and newspapers. So is that Canada stuff with the 2 fugitives found dead which we are all very suspicious about...
Dude can work that google earth like a champ.
Having had an extensive forensic investigation background I can very much appreciate your diligent attention to detail. Bravo Sir very well done !
Thank you for the video👍 Good job.
I read The Beach Boy's Mike Love's book and in it he says that Dennis Wilson picked up the girls hitchhiking one night and let them hang out at his place to have sex. They never left. After awhile the girls brought Charlie around and he befriended Dennis. Dennis was a whacked out mess at this point. Dennis introduced him to Terry Melcher and they talked about recording some of Charlie's songs he'd written. When Terry realized that the whole idea was whacked and Charlie was a nutcase, Charlie was threatening Terry and Dennis. Dennis just vacated his house and didn't pay the rent. Eventually the landlord threw Charlie and the girls out. According to Mike Love, he and Bruce Johnson were actually invited over one night to meet Charlie over dinner. Charlie tried to use the girls to seduce Mike and Bruce into an orgy. Mike said he could tell right away Charlie was a con-man and a whacko , so he and Bruce were kinda freaked out by the whole thing and just split. This was like a year before the Tate murders i think
This is another crime scene that fascinates me. Helter Skelter is a great book! I actually had a brief encounter with Vincent Bugliosi in late 1999 or early 2000 in S. Pasadena. He walked into the small packing/shipping business where I worked at the time, saying he wanted to ship a pair of eyeglasses to somebody.
Did you speak to him? Tell him how much we all loved his book?
@Spermwhale1000 No Homer, not Charlie, although that would've been nice, he was talking about Vincent the Bug.
That guy was a piece of shit. Using the murders for his own notoriety & giving Kaspian immunity when she was clearly, clearly an accessory to murder on both nights. If you watch the Larry King interview from 09' you'll see him answering Linda's questions for her as he's fucking petrified as to what she might say.
Excellent video, thank you
Wow fascinating. Google Earth works great for this. Good job documenting this thanks. I know this area a bit may check it on the motorcycle sometime.
For so long I had it in my mind that it was an isolated estate up in the Hollywood hills. It wasn’t until the last few years that I realized just how close the neighbors actually were. That is very fascinating.
If only one of the victims could have gotten to one of the other houses. Or if Linda would have done the right thing and gone for help. But these scenarios likely could have led to more victims.
Sadly there are just too many what if’s with this horrendous case.
I live in Canada, but I did take a drive up Cielo Dr. when I was there, having recently read Helter Skelter.
@1StarProductions There is no point, I'm just saying . Got a problem with that ?
Fascinating. Nice work!
Brilliant. Thank you so much for that.
Most of us that have seen the crime scene pics at the Tate residence will never be able to unsee it. It was gruesome, and the thought of the Manson family committing this crime chills me to the core.
Similar horrors happen every day of the week somewhere in the world, but they arent sensationalized.
Both Manson and Terry Melcher died on November 19th...13 years apart.
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do da do doo do da do doo..... that was the twilight zone theme by the way... just thought I'd mention that, what with the copywrite laws being what they are an all
That’s strange indeed.
T-Birdus Thoracis: It is strange.
Rainblaze: Manson’s birthday is the same day as Anne Hathaway & Princess Grace of Monaco: November 12.
Manson was a Scorpio.
Better than they both didn't die on Friday 13th.
Great video, well done
Great video, felt like I was watching a movie. Heard some details I didn´t knew before.