American Reacts Why Isn't Wales Represented on the Union Jack
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The truth is we don't want anything to do with the Union flag. Keep the Sais out! Yma o Hyd, Cymru am byth.
The current Welsh flag adopted in 1959 is the personal flag of the Tudor family...
The previous flag of the Welsh royal line was yellow and red quarters with yellow and red Lions or Griffons.
Ben Nevis, in Scotland, is the tallest mountain in the UK.
He knows, just wants people to correct him in the comments section because the more comments (like me writing this), increases his algorithm and adds to his YT ranking and money. It's why he always asks for people to answer any of his questions at the end of a video etc... Just saying! 😂
If you put the flag of Hawaii on your flag, you too would have the Union Jack represented
Now that’s a good idea. Would look much better
"Cymro o had Cymry yw hwm" literal translates as "This is a Welshman of Welsh seed" or in modern terms "He's native Welshman"
It is on the union flag right in the centre, but it's small and all red, so it merges with the cross.
I don’t want our flag on the union jack! ❤
Y Ddraig Goch is Welsh for The Red Dragon.
I feel like this is the sort of thing a referendum should be held for. Hold one in each of the four countries with two questions. 'Should Wales have representation on the Union Flag?' 'Should Wales have representation on the Royal Arms?'. Carry out the wishes of the majority on both results.
Connor - between 1603 and 1801 the Union Jack was the Saltire of Scotland and Cross of England. After 1801 the St Patrick's Cross of Ireland was added. That is the representation for Northern Ireland which by itself is not represented on the Union Jack - the Ulster banner is a St George Cross and Red Hand of Ulster. There is a St David's Cross, which is Yellow on a Black background, difficult to combine.
That symbol for Ireland didn't really catch on in Ireland much. It was chosen because it was in the Earl of Kildare's coat of arms (the Fitzgeralds,). It was already used by the Order of St.Patrick, which was created by the British monarchy around 1781, when the pre-Union Irish parliament's powers were expanded. This parliament ceased to exist after 1801 because of the Act of Union.
Princess Nest (Cambrian Princess, Latin term for Wales) was the one who advised that the Irish have the flag of St.Patrick.
Because we don't want to be, we have our own flag and it's way cooler.
Wales is amazing country love their flag and people are so friendly had many holidays there not being baised being from Scotland and a fellow celt who needs union flag when you got us celts
Snowdon/Yr Wyddfa is the tallest mountain in England AND Wales, only surpassed by some Scottish mountains.
First use of Country in English seems to be around 1150 derived from a French word meaning 'facing a border'. So essentially before we had the concept of a 'country' we did have the concept of a place with borders.
I agree allowing a red dragon in the centre of the flag would overpower the background ,i did wonder if a much smaller dragon in the centre of the flag would be more suitable but then i though that still a distraction as being the only country standing out . Hmmm dificult.
green and white is Henry VII and the dragon is the somerset archers who supported him abroad
the earliest known use of country is in the middle english period in 1150-1500 acording to google lol
Strange to me but as far as sport goes the fans of Scotland love it when England lose though the English tend to support Scotland if they play another team so does that mean that the Scots have not forgiven England for invasive battles hundreds of years ago?
Is this an old video re-released? Am having major déjà vu.
I think it's simple. Add a green line to the Union Flag. (Its only the Union Jack when it is flown on a ship)
Not true. The UK government have stated that the term Union Jack is appropriate for describing the flag in general.
@@yessir889 AH, I just looked it up and you were right. Though to be fair that was done in 2013, so I was just using outdated information.
Edit: Ten years may seem like a long time ago but I'm not subscribed to the Flag Institute, the origination that formally disputed that assertion so I never heard about it till now.
@Twiska yeah all good. I didn't know about it until too long ago either.
The fact remains, it's all about the de-legitimisation of an older culture. A culture Inwhich the majority of early settlements, heritage sites in Britain stems from. On the adding of the Wales flag, will never happen as the English/UK state has never had or will have legal authority over Wales. Wales was annexed by a Tudor because they had a right to England, not Wales. Only two ways could England and Wales have ever been legally unified...If the Tudord had been the legitimate rulers of Wales on their succession to the English throne, Or had the crown of Wales been captured from Owain Glyndwr in 1415. Long story short, as neither occurred, England, and by extension the UK has no authority to add Wales.
Correct with Mt Snowdon being the tallest mountain in Wales but Ben Nevis is the tallest in the U.K. which you likely knew anyway just forgot . The second tallest in Scotland also the U.K.is Ben Macdui which is somewhat like a large mound which i climbed with ease though tricky in snow. Helvellyn in the Lake District England is interesting with its Striding Edge where people have died usually in windy conditions but with a sheer drop on both sides making it interesting.
I'd update the Royal Arms with those of Llwelyn the Great in the fourth quarter, but then again I'm 🏴 so what do I know? I wondered if the King might do so at the Accession given his long association as Prince of Wales tbh - it seems right given the constitutional develop in recent years & common references to 'four countries', something again that's only developed I think in the last 30 years officially or perhaps since the creation of the position of Secretary of State for Wales in the mid 60s.
6:06 Yes, and because that was Britain’s flag at the time of US independence, some Americans have incorrectly used it for our flag today (especially on CZcams)
Only other minor things that irks me is it should be called ‘The Union Flag’ unless flown at sea when it’s called the Union Jack
p.s. You watch the same channels I love, but I always enjoy them more hearing your opinions! Keep up the great work Connor
I enjoyed watching that video tonight about Wales
The question above was one that would cause many an argument on the Welsh side of my family. What it amounts to is one country in our history has held power for centuries over the other three. I grew up speaking English but in the late C19th my Welsh g/g/grandmother was punished by being beaten with a cane, for daring to speak Welsh in school, and being made to wear the "Welsh Not" (no 'k'). (There are some very good short films, less than 5 mins each, on CZcams about this, showing how a London based government set out to replace the native language with English.) The coming of radio in the C20th narrowed things down to what was RP. Everyone sounding like the Queen. Southern English yes, not Midlands or the North. This has changed and will blow hopefully some dust from the College of Heralds.
I like the idea of a 'Badass Flag' though🤣🤣
There is an alternative Welsh flag that could be incorporated into the Union flag, namely the flag of St David. It is a gold cross on a black background and would be a par with the flags of the other saints’ flags that make up the Union flag.
Here’s a list of the top 20 highest mountains in the UK. Spoiler alert - they’re all in Scotland!
Ben Nevis - 1,345 meters - Scotland
Ben Macdui - 1,309 meters - Scotland
Braeriach - 1,296 meters - Scotland
Cairn Toul - 1,291 meters - Scotland
Sgòr an Lochain Uaine - 1,258 meters - Scotland
Cairn Gorm - 1,245 meters - Scotland
Aonach Beag - 1,234 meters - Scotland
Aonach Mòr - 1,221 meters - Scotland
Càrn Mòr Dearg - 1,220 meters - Scotland
Ben Lawers - 1,214 meters - Scotland
Beinn a'Bhuird - 1,197 meters - Scotland
Beinn Mheadhoin - 1,182 meters - Scotland
Beinn Bhrotain - 1,157 meters - Scotland
Ben More - 1,174 meters - Scotland
Stob Choire Claurigh - 1,177 meters - Scotland
Stob Coire an Laoigh - 1,162 meters - Scotland
Sgurr Choinnich Mor - 1,118 meters - Scotland
Ben Alder - 1,148 meters - Scotland
Beinn Eibhinn - 1,110 meters - Scotland
Binnein Mor - 1,130 meters - Scotland
Correct Diane, well put together.
The Scottish Highlands are above everything else & have been for countless Millennia.
You are right, but I also think it's a rejection of pomposity... the UK already has one of the coolest flags in the world... putting a Dragon in the middle of the big red cross, would just be showing off! :) that said, I'd be quite happy to have a Dragon on our flag!
Because Ireland up until recently was all of Ireland and was once a kingdom under the Irish.
Nope - 'Ireland' was not a united country until the English Crown received fealty from the various Earls and clan leaders and only then became the 'Kingdom of Ireland'
@@uingaeoc3905Technically, Ireland did not become the "Kingdom of Ireland" until the reign of Henry VIII after his break with Rome. Before that time, Ireland was held as a fiefdom granted by the Roman pontiff to Henry II and thence to his successors as kings of England whose title in that respect was "Lord of Ireland" and not "king".
@@MrBulky992 In short - there was no Kingdom of Ireland until the Kings of England created it.
Ireland had six separate kingdoms (at various points they elected a High King from amongst themselves but could never stay united for long and were back to fighting each other), when England conquered it they united it into one country. England never united Wales into one country though, it was divided up amongst Earls and later all of the various Welsh earldoms claimed by the King creating the title of Prince of Wales.
@@uingaeoc3905 You mean....Braveheart lied to me?! My world is shaken to the core!
Maybe it’s because we don’t want a great big bright red dragon, taking the predominant position in the middle of the Union Jack. The other 3 flags meld together quietly, and non of them take over. If Wales had a quiet flag that would disappear into the Union flag like the other 3 it might have been a different story!
A whole new flag seems to be in order, if people weren't so averse to change. Let's have a modern flag for modern people, we'll have no trouble here!
“Have a quieter flag” is so English. Everyone must be below them
@@markdonovan8884 Aesthetics is fine but rigid conformity is just a bit anal. Smaller/island nations have some cracking flags without being conservative (small c). Just combining constituent countries' flags shows a lack of imagination and underlines that the UK is separate countries and not a unified whole. What represents the whole UK other than England being conquerors and colonists over a hundred years ago?
ADHD? Everybody's got their quirks
If the possibility of independence ceased to be an issue, I would have no objection to the Union Flag showing four national animals: the English lion, Scottish unicorn, Welsh dragon and the (defunct and now extinct) Northern Irish elk. Nationalist gammons wouldn't like it replacing the current Union Flag, but we could keep the Union Jack on ships and the many foreign states that incorporate it - Hawaii, Cook Islands, Falkland Islands, Australia, New Zealand, etc. (if they decided to keep it and not take the opportunity to leave colonialism in the past).
(yes, I am aware that dragons and unicorns are not real - I mentioned the Irish Elk is extinct, but it was real and used to be a symbol of Ireland but is now defunct). There are no lions roaming England either)
It’s The Union Flag. The Union Jack is flown on a British Warship when not in harbour! People get it mixed up incessantly. The word Country was a Middle English one and dates from around 1150-1500. I used to get confused because Wales growing up to me was a Principality. (Spelling). The Unicorn has a chain around its neck and apparently it’s the only mythical animal to kill a lion. So that the Scots had to be chained, to not be a threat to England. Only an American can see a bullet coming out of a gun!!!
I'm afraid it's you that's got it mixed up. It's the Union Jack everywhere it's flown. It has been discussed and agreed in parliament in the 1800s that it's the Union Jack so please stop perpetuating your myth.
Just Google it and read any newspaper article on the subject, there are several or read the flag institute website.
It's the Union Jack...
It’s interesting you mention the lion and unicorn again, because the lion is also a symbol of Scotland and Wales, It’s even on every banknote and thats why the lion was chosen as the national symbol too. So could we still count the lion on the rampant on the coat of arms as representing all of Britain and the unicorn being a symbol of Pictish traditions? It would be very cool
@@togerboy5396 Yeah the flag of Scot’s Royalty. Some say dating back to 1222? Alexander II. However, his son didn’t use it as his banner. Then (sorry trying to remember from school history) There was an Act of Parliament in 1672 decreeing it illegal to fly. It’s only allowed to fly on Royal Residences’ with the permission of the Monarch. I used to get confused by the flag. I may be really off but James VI, used it. That’s why there are so many Red Lion pubs in England. Someone told me The Red Lion was the most popular name for a pub in Britain.
You are about 200 years out of date and STILL spouting an urban myth. It is accepted that the Union Flag may be called the Union Jack at ANY time. Winston Churchill made a point of mentioning it in 1940. It was actually brought up in the House of Commons... The Flag Institute - the Vexillogical Society states "the national flag of the United Kingdom, the Crown Dependencies and Overseas Territories is the Union Flag, which may ALSO be called the Union Jack". 😊
Cambrian Chronicles is fantastic! They have a more recent video about the Dragon on the flag and the ruler it supposedly is tied to. Very much for history nerds but I think you might enjoy that!
He's actually quite awful, he rubbishes almost all of the history of Wales and often settles on English versions of what they think or want the history of Wales to be.
Snowdon biggest in Wales, Ben Nevis (Scotland) biggest in Britain. Scafell pike biggest in England, i believe Snowden is bigger than Scafell.
Yes, Snowdon is taller than Scafell Pike. Gold star if you know the tallest mountain in Ireland...
@@malcolmjcullen I don't know, I don't know why I Don't know either, tell us ?.
Carrauntoohil
Yes it is !
I climbed each 25 years ago & missed the 24 hour deadline by 7 minutes - rather annoying 😮
You were almost there Connor. For years I’ve thought that the green section (which represents the Celtic people) should be incorporated into the Union flag. As Wales is historically a Christian nation as well as a Celtic nation (along with Scotland and Ireland) then it seems appropriate to incorporate a green Saltaire into the Union flag - taking up part of the thick white stripes.
Red, white, blue and....green? 🤮 Throw in some purple, yellow and brown while you're at it.
As a Brit (English) I love the Welsh flag 🏴 but I don't think the Union Flag should be changed as it's iconic the way it is and I think any changes to it would just ruin the look of the flag 🇬🇧
I’m Welsh and I didn’t notice that the map of Wales looks like a pig head until you said it, I haven’t laughed that much in ages, especially when my English husband and daughter had to point out the shape on the map, I can’t unsee it now 😂🤣😂🤣
Looks more like a hunchbacked crone (angel?) pointing at Bardsey Island to me. Has anyone excavated Bardsey Island for Excalibur or the Holy Grail yet? Seems a bloody big hint to me!
Union Flag….
cos it's pink, and it make the boys wink..........;-) ;-)
The Union Flag with the dragon on looks epic. I’m Welsh so naturally I’m biased! 😂
@@carlh429 I am English from Welsh and Irish stock and I agree, get the Dragon on it, I might buy a flag for the first time ever.
I'm a Cornish (Kernowyon) Brit and i agree with the opinion of my Celtic neighbour.
Theres too much going on: it looks too busy.
Could the entire Welsh flag of white, green and red not be placed over the top left hand quadrant of the Union flag in the same way as the Union flag is placed on the red ensign and other similar flags (e.g. Hawaii)?
Or, could a miniature Welsh flag not be placed as a small badge in the centre overthe spot where all the red lines cross?
It's simply because Wales was fully incorporated as part of England, in medieval times. Scotland and Ireland never were. Also, Wales has never existed as a country. Before coming under the English crown, it was a patchwork of small kingdoms and principalities. Mind you, until independence, the same was true of Ireland and even now Northern Ireland is separate.
Yes it has, it's existed as a country since 383! Stop trying to de-legitimise pre English natives of Britain. English King's Offa and Alfred both agreed upon the boundaries of England and Wales, then known as Cambria. As for incorporating Wales, that was an illegal act, as neither the Tudors or any Royal of England ever had the crown of the Britons. This is why they can't do anything with Wales, no flag inclusion, nothing on the UK heraldic symbol. For all intensi e purposes, Wales is the most free nation out of the four that makes up the UK. We have a seeperate flag, legal protection for the language. Ah well, keep trying to spin it so that you feel superior.
Didn't bother watching the video then 😂🤣😂
Oh god! A rabid nationalist! lol. That explains the over-defensiveness and the refusal to accept facts. :)
Wales is a country, as much as many English people hate to admit it.
@@markdonovan8884 Firstly, I'm not English. Secondly, please show me when Wales existed as a country, re' my original statement.
You have to stop trying to speak Welsh using the English alphabet. You wouldn’t try speaking German or Spanish using the English alphabet!
i'm not fond of wales, the place i lived there ruined my opinion.
having said that the ol union jack looks pretty 'bitchin' with the dragon on it 😅
(that's right i speak American 😏it'll be handy if i ever do a 'vacation' there)
Cool. You’re not welcome back.
@@markdonovan8884 lol I go there frequently don't be a soft little Welsh boy
@@seldom_bucket You hate Welsh people, we get it. Sorry for existing and ruining your time there.
We don't want to be on the Butchers Apron. Twll din pob sais. We are Wales!
Speaking just as a regular Yank visitor to the UK, all I can say is that the very idea Wales exists for a reason, which you'll find if you yourself visit. It is definitely a distinct place in the United Kingdom, despite any "technical" annexation in the 1300s or whatever. Distinct culture, distinct language, distinct geography, even some distinct cuisine. I'd agree that the Union flag is busy enough, but I wonder if the England-part of the coat of arms really needs TWO representations.
Wales was annexed in 1536 by a Britonnic Tudor, the earlier actions of Edward had no bearing on that. Owain Glyndwr did, however, as he is the sole reason the Tudors had to annex it. He gave Wales its autonomy back in 1409 and this directly led to its annexation upon the Tudor succession of the English throne. The annexation wouldn't have been needed had either the tudors been of Royal status in Wales (legitmate in Wales, they weren't) or had the British crown not vanished with Glyndwr in 1415.
@@WalesTheTrueBritons Thanks for the info!
@classiclife7204 no worries buddy, you'll be surprised at the amount of falsifications some anglos spread about Wales. All designed to de-legitimise the earlier and far older culture.
Maybe we should ask how we liberate Occupied East Wales and bring it back under the 🏴 flag?
Just asking the question
All 3 million of you? Good luck with that. I recommend you avoid Birmingham and Manchester, they could give you a run for your money. Start off with something more in your league...say, Bristol, then make a dash for Cornwall with what you have left; there should be plenty of B&B's available in off-season.
@@Bakers_Doesnt maybe you should ask Santa For a sense of humour this year 🤔
@@Bakers_Doesnt by the way, Tudor is A Welsh name. The Tudor dynasty are Welsh. You might want to look into Charles' family tree 😉
@@Rachel_M_ Oh, the irony! 🤣
@@Bakers_Doesnt you can't even figure out that there are Welsh people living in England. The clue is in their names, Jones, Roberts, Williams.....
Now run through all your friends names 😉
Did you know Conor, Britain had the best space rockets at the start of the space race but gave the plans to the United States who promptly put the plans in the waste paper basket.
The rockets were called Black Arrow and Blue streak, but lack of ambition 'as usual ' meant the UK lost out to other countries. I would send a link but there are very few videos about them and a simple Google search would suffice if you wanted to check them out.
Once we had a rocket.
Google search, it's in parts so see part 1
Scotland is 84 years older than England
Tallest mountain in the uk is in Scotland all 20 mountains that are the tallest are in Scotland Ben Nevis is the tallest mountain in the uk that is in Scotland
The Welsh Flag is far cooler than the English, Scottish or Union Flag so we don’t care. We have our highly recognisable Welsh Dragon 🏴 and that’ll do nicely thanks. It consistently ranks as one of the best flags out there so the English can keep their Union flag and we’ll keep our Dragon 🐉…. Yes the Union flag would look far better with a huge red dragon on it but that’ll never happen
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to be honest,i lost intrest within seconds as soon as he called it "the Union Jack"ill still give the vid a like tho
Cos let's be honest...the Welsh are a BIT...well...ya know...odd..
They rear some of the finest lambs in the UK, until the farmer chases them off.
Because Wales isn't a real country, we made it up to fool the Americans 😂😂
Mad how many of you hate us for living in a slightly different part of the U.K. and having a slightly different culture. Enjoy your race riots.
You do realise that Wales (Cambria) is older than England? The very name Britain derives from Latin and Greek translations of the native Brythonic name Preteni. Modernly known as Prydain.
@@WalesTheTrueBritons You can’t argue with them. There’s no basis for their hatred of anyone non English other than “they speak funny” etc.
@@WalesTheTrueBritons Learn to take a joke
The Union Jack is a naval flag.......he's talking about the Union Flag .........
Either is acceptable. Google it.
You are about 200 years out of date... Union Flag OR Union Jack are accepted terms for the flag of the United Kingdom - wherever OR whenever flown. You may want to look it up before making a comment on YT, perhaps ? Just saying ! 😊
Be aggresive with yourself. I was about to stop the video with your interuptions. Some ok.
Just keep most till the end and express your questions view
It’s the Union Flag not the Union Jack!!!
It's both
Wrong, Google it ! You are about 200 years out of date. Winston Churchill ALWAYS refererred to it as the Union JACK. The question was raised for clarification in the House of Commons in the 1900's. The Flag Institute (the Society of Vexillogists) have clarified it with a statement, thus; "the national flag of the United Kingdom, the Crown Dependencies and Overseas Territories is the Union Flag, which may ALSO be called the Union JACK" (wherever and whenever flown throughout the world). Just saying... 😊
Most people call it the Union Jack. Why does it matter to you what people call it? You know what they are talking about. It’s not confusing anyone.
I support the adding of the Welsh flag and removal of the Scottish 🏴 flag
As a Scot, I agree. I want eff all to do with the Cymru, English and Irish.
You already had a referendum 😂
Embarrassment mostly.
Bonkers how many of you hate a population just for existing in a slightly different country.
@@markdonovan8884That happens when people can't recognise a joke.
@@markdonovan8884 The answer is in the question: the insane ones. Others have a sense of rivalry in sports for some reason, while the vast majority couldn't care less or have an affinity for Wales. Jokes are not hate; what do "Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman" jokes tell you? Where's the supposedly "hated" Welshman? 🙄
@@Bakers_Doesnt You detest us. We can’t even use our own language without your press going into a rage, we give the Brecon Beacons their Welsh name and the daily Mail throw a fit and English people vow to never visit again. The Xenophobic, colonialist mind runs through all of you
@@Bakers_Doesnt You really all do hate us don’t you. Heaven forbid people on the same island that you own speak a different language and live a slightly different culture. No wonder the world hates you.