Just a Man | EPIC: The Musical ANIMATIC
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- omg that's probably the first time I got emotional doing an animatic. Like, at the end, I had to take a lot of breaks to chill out for a bit. But, I'm immensely proud of how all of this came out, so yeah. Hope you like it :D
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Just a Man | Epic: the musical Animatic
Music by Jorge Rivera-Herrans @JayHerrans
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THE TREE BED
The tree bed 😌
Wolfy!! Big fan
Ody’s reaction to Penelope presumably moving the bed from the tree: “I SPENT SO LONG MAKING EVERY TINY DETAIL ON THAT BED AND YOU YANKED IT?! AFTER ALL THAT YOU YANKED IT?!”
@@CHB_is_hereImagine looking forward to sleeping in your marital bed for 20 years and then you heard your wife uprooted it. Poor Ody in that split moment.
The way Odysseus holds Astyanax at the beginning like he held his own son, then at the end how he just grabs the blanket... he cant even bring himself to hold Astyanax like a child or he will not follow through. 👌👌👌
can we just talk about the fact that Zeus said that the gods will tell that kid of his past if odyseus hides it from him and raises him as his own. thats the most greek god thing to do, to make sure your life sucks
@@CaptainPoseidon282 besides that, some of the gods were on the troyan side, so it's likely that they would tell that to the infant just to fuck up Odysseus for making Troy lose
Yeah the previous song makes that clear. It still would be a harsh choice if Ody actually parented him well enough which he does with Telemachus later. So it's much much less of a certainty, not even a 50/50 chance since the Gods themselves were never really good parents to even their favourite children.
All Odysseus needs to do it be honest as early as possible and be a good dad and he avoids 99% of his problems. Tl;dr just a whole load of Olympian projection.@@animacaodeumamador1006
I’m way too attached to a dead mythical baby
Neoptolemus: "that was such a good fight, I'm so glad I got to avenge my dad"
Odysseus: *INTENSIFYING PTSD*
Exactly! Why did he do it in front of him? He had a perfectly good Cliff.
Oh man the irony. In the myth Neoptolemus was the one to throw Astianax (Hectors son) from Troy's walls, just for the fan of it. Yeah, he was such a lunatic as his father was....
@@user-ze1sy6hl2b tbh that story does conflict with the continuity of the Epic Cycle where all the Greeks are preparing to go for home and Odysseus is the one who does it. (Don’t wanna look up the name rn)
The story of Achilles son killing Hector’s son is actually a snippet of one story.
@@user-ze1sy6hl2b
And he kill priamo beeting till death with the dead body of astianax.
Glad Astianax mom had a little chit chat with him later on.
The p stands for pre
The child did NOT have to look into the camera like that 😭 stop hitting me in the feels
"Drop kick da baby"
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@@EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE737 And make it do a flip!
@@Rose_WhiteRoseDIS IS DA WAY💃💃💃
@@That_daughter_of_Apollo17 " But... THIS CANNOT BE THE WAYYY!!! "
This absolutely destroyed me. Such a fatal blow with the ten year old Telemachus and Penelope. Now that I've suffered, I'm hitting replay.
SAME- I swear this is emotionally RUINING me
Then clicking to rewatch yet again
Did the same thing. Help my shirt is soaked with eyeball water, and I'm pretty sure my sweat is made of tears at this point.
I love how you included the detail of Odysseus and Penelope's marriage bed from the Odyssey. For anyone who doesn't know the Odyssey's end (slight spoiler), Penelope is skeptical when Odysseus returns home and reveals himself. So she tries to trick him by saying she had moved their bed, because only a few including the real Odysseus knew it was made out of a real tree. I think (it's been almost a year since I last read it so this is based off memory, correct me if I'm wrong) Odysseus is shocked and upset and asks how she managed to do it considering how he made it out of a tree. Penelope realises it's really him, they reunite and live happily ever after....... Until you remember there's a sequel to this...
LONG OVERDUE EDIT #1 (sorry it took a year):
the ‘sequel’ is called the Teleology, ALTHOUGH it was made WAY AFTER THE ODYSSEY and is by a DIFFERENT AUTHOR SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED CANON IN HOMER’S UNIVERSE. Especially because it's a lost epic anyways.
ALSO Ik that now in the EPIC musical Odysseus isn't successfully coerced by Circe (sidenote: I have made a long comment in the replies on this topic [pls check it out before arguing: it's the second part of my 7th reply] but basically in the ODYSSEY: Circe holding his friends/crew as hostage and only letting them free when Odysseus agreed to sleep w/her ISN'T actually CONSENSUAL so I don't qualify it as cheating) so in the EPIC universe the Teleology cannot be canon (because in the Teleology Ody is accidentally killed by his illegitimate son).
BUT I made this comment well before I knew how much EPIC would stray from the Odyssey's and Greek mythology canon.
Pen: Oh btw I moved our bed
Oddy: I-- wh-- HOW?!?
he also wouldn't shut up abt his bed in the Song of Achilles
He isn't just upset. He rants for a paragraph or two about the bed and the general vibe of that scene is: HOW IN THE FLYING FUCK DID YOU MOVE THE GODSDAMNED BED?.
@@akumasstorytime3910 oh yeah I remember that part 😂
@@iliketea1427 it's my favorite scene in the Odyssey.
One of the things I love about this song is that the question "When does a man become a monster?" has a double meaning. When does Odysseus become a monster, to protect his family? When does the baby become a monster to avenge his? I think this animatic does a really good job of keeping that question mutual between the two of them. I don't think it's ever clear which one Odysseus is asking, and I think that's the point.
I like to point out the beginning deliveries of line 'I'm just a man' was used to justify he can't harm the baby but as he continues on the song, the line 'I'm just a man' was used to justify this cruelty. He tried to reason with the act, saying he's just a man, he can't do it, but at the end of it, sadly, it's because he's just a man can he be capable of doing such a thing
I think another meaning for that line could be that he is not a god but a mortal and therefore he cannot change the baby's terrible fate. The only thing he can do is kill him and thus prevent him from turning into a monster.
@@yanirap.t.2654 Another interpretation, is that Ody is denying that he has become a monster by doing this, that this is not his moment where he has gone too far, and become a different person entirely. He is 'just a man', and the gods say he must do this, so who is he to defy them? He is no one, he is just a man.
All around good interpretations, for me I'm just a man meant to say that he was capable of both good and evil. Besides, man in human always refer to us being a flawed being. Thus for this moment, he is just a man is that he also want to live a fulfilling life with his family and didn't want any threat remains for the rest of their life, so he just a man means he also selfish for his own self and loved ones preservation. He is a man indeed.
Man, that one shot of Odysseus in his armor, carrying the baby with a distance in his heart, unlike Hector, who holds the baby close to him in his armor with his smiling wife, like Odysseus and Penelope would with Telemachus in that same situation...
Knowing full well neither Hector nor his wife will ever be coming back to save him, while Odysseus has to live with the guilt when he goes home to his own living, loving family...
Destroying one family tree, grown from love in a time of war, destroying one just like his own to save his own, not knowing that everyone else aside from Penelope and Telemachus will be ripped away from him in the very near future to possibly compensate...
That Shit Hit Different™
The way you drew Astyanax expression before Odysseus dropped him hurts ahh
I literally wanted to cry 😭
@@CHB_is_herebruh I am crying 😭😭😭
@@PauloSpinola Same
SO GOOD. Your take on "Close your eyes and spare yourself the view" is the most gut-wrenching I've seen, like Ody just stabbed *me* instead. It's such a literal interpretation of what Odysseus is surely _thinking_ in all of them, but showing him physically covering baby Astyanax's eyes and steeling himself as he lifts the sword until he finally accepts that he can't make himself do the deed so violently ... it's very effective. Love that you've shown Neoptolemus in the crowd, since in myth it's usually him doing the killing if it's not Odysseus. It's a nice nod to other versions, and a reminder that though this moment pains Odysseus it's precisely because of the type of man and warrior Odysseus is (one who considers everything, a strategist, and who despite his best efforts cannot harden his heart completely) that it does so, unlike Neo who is usually portrayed in the moment as a mindless ball of rage with no care for honor or laws or consequence only violence. Sidebar that I love your design for Neo in both of these--such an effective shorthand for what I described, just by showing his face constantly in chaotic shadow!
Aa tysm for writing this haha! Also on Neo that's supposed to be blood, not a shadow. Thought if I drew full black blood on his face like on the Horse and Infant animatic it would get too distracting.
@@gigi2820 Oooh that makes just as much sense, idk why I never read it as blood, but now I'm imagining this kid styling his hair / doing war paint over the whole top of his face with the blood of his enemies and yep. That tracks.
i interpreted that in two ways: one is his genuine desire for the baby to suffer as less as possible (like the baby not seeing what was supposed to be the incoming stab), and the other was for himself, basically making the baby faceless so his conscience doesn't eat at him
I love that animatics aren’t just work in progress instead they are just the whole thing, no more content than the animatic, I don’t mind though, they have a sort of charm to them.
I love the look of the baby when he's about to be thrown off.. like he knows what will happen. Usually animatics make them oblivious to whats about to happen (which is equally hearthwrenching) but for there to be a feeling that he knows something is wrong.. uff
Amazing animatic as always
sorry but for some reason your comment made me think of him throwing the baby like a baseball
@@alexanderberry1665Lion King style, lol
Come on, it was just a baby! My heart hurts right now, i'm not even lying when I say ' I cried a lot.' Gigi, you are so incredibly talented, by far one of my favorite animators!
OHOHOHO THIS WAS DELICIOUSLY PAINFUL
The visuals were stunning, I especially adored the tree growing out of the baby… what a great callback to both Odysseus and Penelope’s olive tree (and the fact that he was basically destroying someone else’s) and the lyrics that the baby “will grow an avenger”
Yoo so glad someone noticed that! This tree symbolism was mostly for myself since I didn't think anyone would get, so tysm for noticing :D
ikr!! I love the tree symbolism
Listening to this song and now watching this animatic gave me very similar imagery of his armor by a large imposing tree. I have cried everytime I have seen this.
Look, ive listened to hundreds of musical tracks before. I love them. Each song from Epic I listen to is my new favorite.
But this one? The section with his Mother is not only one of the best musical song segenents ive heard, but its one of the most evocative and beautoful peices of music Ive ever heard. The fact your (actual) Mum sang with you i think adds layers to this that tao into something pat music. Something universal.
Something beautiful.
Thank you for creating it.
ok i think an AMAZING detail that’s going unnoticed is the black tree growing around the baby! if i’m right, that symbolizes how the act of killing the infant would only be the first of many acts ody commits, until he eventually loses all his morals and would do anything to see his son and wife. which is. wow. such a cool and heartbreaking detail 😭.
The "close your eyes and spare yourself the view... How could I hurt you?" made me tear up omg
A toast to another great animatic by a great artist. 🥂🥂🥂 Also a moment of silence for baby Astyanax 👶💔👶💔👶💔
yes
in some stories he survives, look it up its kind of amazing
i don't know anything about this musical, but this song gave me so many chills, DAMN
The baby's little face at the end 😭😭😭
I like how the future of the child is this really dangerous Beast like man but still has features that show he is human
while main character his monster is just a black void lacking any similarity to a human just a suit of armor showing that his monster brings him too far
His crew looks so shocked when they realize hes at the window and it breaks my heart
I like how Odysseus initially has his eyes closed when he sings "Close your eyes and spare yourself the view." It's like he's trying to spare himself as much as he wants to spare the child. Then he opens his eyes and immediately backtracks, remembering how badly he does not want to do this.
That ending kinda has me in tears
YES! the helmet showing him losing his humainty becoming the very thing he's trying to protect his family from, goddam gigi hitting it out of the park!
I love love LOVE the way you portray Odysseus! He's just so tired, desperate to go home, and I was literally gasping when I saw his younger self fade back to the present. Huge props, this made me cry buckets
the imagery of the tree growing is beautiful
I feel like the line “when does a man become a monster” has a double meaning. Like when does the baby that he holds become the monster that will seek vengeance against him, or when does he himself become the monster for taking the innocent life of an infant.
I thought the pop at the end was the kid hitting the ground and actually yelled: YOU DID NOT!
Lyrics really makes me cry 😢😭
That tree growth was such an intriguing way to portray Odysseus's way back to his life (seen through the window) becoming obscured by Asyntax (the baby) growing up, yet it was strangely elegant at the same time? It was almost a connection to the olive trees that comprise Odysseus's bed, like there's a shared motivation to return to loved ones in that revenge.
“When does a comet become a meteor?”
When it hits the earth.
“When does a candle become a blaze?”
When it catches the house aflame.
“When does a ripple become a tidal wave?”
When it strikes the shore.
“When does the reason become the blame?”
When it is assigned to another.
Each of these questions can be answered with the same idea, that something changes when it does harm to something else. That is when a man becomes a monster.
Bloody hell that's deep
OH GOD YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE TO HAVE THE BABY ACTUALLY NOTICE AND RESPOND TO THE DANGER HE'S IN AT THE END MY HEART
...now I don't want to see it on stage. Now I want to see all the animatics compiled into a whole animated musical by you and keep it under my eyelids till the die I die. Such a good wooooork. Every next installment is somehow better than the rest and makes the whole set elevated.
Gigi this was amazing! I absolutely love it! The flashback. The tree. Penelope and ten-year-old Telemachus. The flash of Ody being a monster. Everyone seeing Odysseus about to drop Asyanax from the balcony as the battle comes to a close. It's amazing!
I feel so bad for astyanax he's just a baby and got caught in all cause aphrodite wanted to win some random beauty contest
Omg seeing the baby looking down, so innocent and unknowing, made me tear up so bad. THE FEELSSSSS
YALL IM BROUGHT TO TEARS EVERY TIME I WATCH THIS
Odysseus; “Hey Zeus you’re not gonna make me… you know… are you?”
Zeus; “stab the baby.”
0:58 ok but the light from the war going on out side just shows how odysseus is thinking in a war like way when he is going to kill hectors son ( that’s just really good visual story telling)
You've managed to make this song with Odysseus dropping Hector's son more tragic and haunting... Incredible work.
2:28 that little frown actually shattered my heart
Esto es arte
It makes me bawl knowing he'd give anything to be home but he knows how wrong it is to do this and he wants so badly to not have to do it.
Love how the animation shows his loving father side and how he cares for the child as a innocent child yet is left with little choice.
The thing that gets me most is the child's expression of innocence and trust towards the man till he starts slipping and he gets frightened. Crying my eyes out realizing that people in war may have to come across decisions like this
He could have at least left the baby in the wilderness. It's not the first time Greek Mythology or real life had human infants adapt to nature. And he's cunning enough to pull that off. To fake a baby's death.
The only reason Poseindon began going after him was because he was arrogant, and boasted about his true identity as he left the Cyclop's island.
In other words...It's his own fault he turned out like this. He had at least two chances to change his ways. Three, if we count with his neglect of the wind sack, allowing his men to open it and delay his return.
If he left the baby in the wilderness and he survived the baby would fullfill it's destiny and kill him and his family though?@@JabamiLain
@@Oznerock they say you can't have a cake and eat it, correct ? I would do the possible to make sure he came after me only.
After 17/18 years of wait, I would exile my family to some remote isolated island (probably Circe or Calypso's, since by that point, the odyssey would have happened) and then have myself disappear into the ruins of old Troja, and seek the now grown prince, and try to have him kill just me.
As Odysseus, I would have been the one with the idea of how Helen got married, and how the kings vowed to aid in her protection. I would be the only one with any reasons to be ended.
@@JabamiLain but as said by zeus in the previous song it's either A) he kills the child now, or B) the child grows and kills his family, why can't the gods just help him out? because the gods in Helenic myth are both the good, the bad, the beautiful and ugly. Zeus in the previous song plays the role of king and tyrant.
King by ordering Odyseus as a soldier to end the war here and now
Tyrant by demanding that the child is killed or else
I love the way Odysseus sings in the first half to the baby- almost like he’s soothing him like a lullaby.
Ok,ive got three points here.
1: This animatic is AMAZING! I started watching your playlist of these animatics a little while ago, And i know every one of them is great,but this one is just...everything you do is fantastic,and i adore this one SO much!
2:The imagery and the way you draw stuff is so cool! Like the thing everyones said about:how Odysseus holds the baby close before he makes his choice,then grabs it by the blanket instead of the actual baby and holds it far from himself instead once he decides to drop it. Or the tree(?) forming the face of what i THINK is the thing that the baby was gonna become, The Monster of Odysseus in the mirror,and EVERYTHING just...wow.
3:(not related to the actual animatic,just the song)
this song is probably my favourite in this whole series so far now. Its just do beautiful in that first bit,then so POWERFUL too,and it sells Odysseus' feelings so well(even better with the animatic imo),it just..I love it!
Sorry for the long comment,i just love this way too much to not say all this.
"when does a man become a monster"
honestly i feel like not showing him drop the baby is more powerful than otherwise like that actually made me sad
It was already so depressing to hear, "Just a man", but seeing this animatic... The babies expressions... The way Odysseus held Astyanax(unsure of how exactly his name is spelt) makes me wanna cry😭... Jorge be giving even his characters PTSD... Cause i remember Pyrrhus(Neoptolomus) just yeeting the kid over the wall for the fun of it and then taking his mother as a slave, aswell as another beautiful trojan girl😭😭😭
But regardless of that... This animatic was stunning.. It really captures the emotions from the songs and conveys them in its own way... And even adds onto it in some places
If you remove the seriousness his comrades probably had an interesting conversation with him after this.
“WHY THE HELL DID YOU DROP THAT BABY!?”
The foreshadowing for Monster makes me so mad I love it
oh my goodness the animatic gave me chills! It was beautiful yet haunting the way you showed Odysseus's struggle and decision just before the baby gets dropped
I want this turned into a film so badly
No one talks about the double meaning in “When does a candle become a blaze?” Meaning that it could be him or the infant, who is harmless as it seems, but when he grows up, he becomes the ‘Blaze’ from the harmless ‘Candle’
When I discovered Epic, I had no idea there were other songs, but this was the first one I heard. I knew there was more to it so I looked and I didn’t like the songs except for 2. Both of them were Athena songs. Then I listened to the other songs and I got hooked. It’s a fun experience. I also had no idea this was about killing an infant, I thought it was shielding a ten year old from war after rescuing him, then I heard the song before it and I was like ‘what is this? I love this.’
IS THE DETAIL OF PENELOPE WEAVING AT 1:34 BECAUSE THATS HOW SHE SPENT HER TIME TRICKING THE SUITORS WHILE ODYSSEUS WAS GONE?? omg i love this so much 😭😭
CURRENTLY CRYING BUT ASIDE FROM THAT, THE WAY ODYSSEUS GRABS THE BABY LIKE A BAG OF GROCERIES IS SENDING ME 😭😭😭
And the shot of it during the meteor line adds to to
Odysseus : " I'm just a man..." ( says with incredible lip syncing on screen in a very tense moment)
3 secs later: *POP*
I'M SOBBING WTH
THE WAY HE FIRST HOLDS THE BABY LIKE HOW YOU SHOULD BUT THEN HE ENDS UP HOLDING HIM IMPROPERLY LIKE OTHERWISE HE WONT BE ABLE TO GONTJROUGH WITH IT UGHHFGGHH
This is so good. Penelope looks so regal, I absolutely adore her design. The tree growing out of/around the baby >>>>>; I also love a good mirror shot. Thank you for sharing this with us, it was an absolute joy to watch 😊
THE OLIVE BRANCH TREE THAT ODY MADE AS A MARRIAGE GIFT 😭😭😭
Love the Mimikyu sm>>>>
(And ye ofc the animation too ✨️)
WHY THAT BABY IS SO CUTE! 😭
The image of the boy growing into a tree. I just now realized the song is about the child and Odysseus
Oh my god, the baby is so cute, I was dying inside everytime I saw him, especially at the end looking down and being scared :'( Baby Asyanax noooo!
bro i almost started crying
It was beautifully told. I loved the internal conflict between duty, love, fear and consequences. It is those conflicts that makes our life difficult because no one wants to make a bad choice for oneself, the one they love or for others. Yet when we come to the crossroad there is no turning back and we have to weight our choices to move on. I remember playing witcher 3 and being so frustrated that no choices were "good", there was always a consequence to it even if you thought it was the best thing to do at first. But it also was echoing deep down on how important it is to understand that our actions have consequences, we tend to not want to suffer the burden of complicate decision but to me an adult that shoulder his choice is a true adult.
That moment he looked in the mirror and his reflection changed... That was a punch to the gut
Incredible
look, I love this traumatizing masterpiece, but the fact that right after that trauma of him dropping Astyanax there's a cute little popping sound effect killed me. And I loved it btw, almost cried but I loved it
god this one never fails to make me tear up :') the tree sprouting out of the bed, the flash of Odysseus as a monster in the mirror, the EXPRESSIONS and the one last look of the baby at the viewer...absolutely gutting.
The way he just put his hand on the baby’s face made me laugh a little
The last "I'm just a man" at 2:30 is just too good
Honestly the biggest tragedy of all of this, is because of... whatever godly intervention was there- Odysseus was FORCED- to do this- all because of "god's will"-
y did this make me cry
this made me cry👍🏼👍🏼
"When does a garbage become a meteor:
Music in this video for “Just a Man” sounds a lot better than the official released music. You can hear it in the chorus, sounds so much better!
I know I sound like a terrible person for this but it would be really funny if there was a falling whistling sound at the end when it cuts to black.
Omg the tree makes a skull face Wow!!!
holy shit, this hurts. and this cold is just making it worse. I am literally crying and I'll keep crying no doubt the more I watch.
LOVE THE WORK AWSOME!!!!🥰🤩😍
(me after finish making the animatic) YOU COULDNT HAVE SPOKEN MORE TRUTH THAT IS ALSO ME
this song makes my heart ACHE
Even hurts more that even if Odysseus had tried to take Astyanax home, that poor baby wouldn't have survived
I love how you made the braches of the tree for a skull to signify the baby's fate, it was beautiful and heartbreaking at the same time.
I think what really broke me though was the end where baby's face got more concerned as Odyseuss was holding him over the ledge
I dunno if it was a blessing or a curse to find these songs so late. I'm glad I got so many amazing animatics to watch for it, but wish I was here when it started. :(
ASTYANAX'S FACE AT THE END KILL ME
this infant... my heart is broken
How… how dare you… this is… this is sick, and evil, and twisted. I cried so much. How dare you make that toddle so realistic and sweet and showing fear. How could you ruin my day, no, my YEAR with this immaculate piece of art. I’m subscribed now. I’m addicted to your animations that rival Pixar in beauty and emotion. The framework, the colors, the simplicity… you are a true artist.
OH NOOO RIP BABY
Mi corazoooooon con eso no se juega 😭😭😭
The only thing, I think, Mr. Jalapeño needs to add is a babies scream or cry at the end of the song. I think It would really solidify the choice he made to the listeners
Wasn’t it the son of Achilles whom threw Hectors boy off the castle walls
All of his men are just so confused like: DUDE WTF!?!
Funny enough, this is the second version of how Astyanax dies. In the first, it's Neoptolemus who kills the child. Though, the Greeks had this weird thought process for the Neoptolemus version of the myth, namely in the fact that with some of the paintings on their vases, which is basically ancient fanart, Neoptolemus beats Priam, the last king of Troy, to death with Astyanax's dead body.
In Greek mythology, the Greeks feared that if Hector's infant son, Astyanax, lived to manhood, he would rebuild Troy and avenge Hector. It was decided that he would be thrown off of walls of Troy, but Odysseus wasn't the one who committed the deed. It was Achilles' son, Neoptolemus. Overall, I thought this was a great animatic. Keep up the great work, gigi!
this is so amazing i cannot and its exactly how i pictured it! amazing i cannot