Did Hulk Hogan Nearly RUIN Impact Wrestling?
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At long last, it's time for Brian Zane to look at Hulk Hogan's wild time in TNA! From his auspicious debut, to his heel turn, his feud with Sting, Aces & Eights and more, whatcha gonna do when HulkaMAYnia finally reaches the end?!
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I dunno, man. Superfoods is a marketing term, and probiotics aren't that effective compared to prebiotics, brother.
DIXIE CARTER, BISCHOFF AND HOGAN ALMOST PUT TNA OUT OF BUSINESS. I WOLUD'VE PICTURED JEFF JARRETT AS THE LEADER OF THE ACES AND EIGHTS AT THE TIME AND WOULD'VE CHALLENGED OVER THE POWER OF TNA/IMPACT WRESTLING.
Hogan actually made the TNA game.
The second one.
I find it funny that the sponsor of a video on Hulk Hogan is a multivitamin.
Train, say your prayers, and eat your athletic greens brother!
As I once read, if someone ever writes a book about the history of TNA/Impact, the cover needs to be Dixie desperately holding onto Hogan’s leg
That is needed
Russo and Dixie holding onto Hogan's legs.
While Jeff Jerrett cries in the background after seeing what they did to his company.
I'm glad this is the top comment. It's so easy to blame Hogan and Bischoff, but look at what they had to work with on the management side in terms of 'enablers'.
Yeah, Hogan is awful but he was hired by people who knew he was awful and for some reason wanted that.
The answer is yes.
In my opinion TNA was at its best right before he came. They were never going to be as big as WWE. Bring him in only only weakened the homegrown stars that they had at the time.
Dixie carter helped out a lot as well
@@knomad75 2007-2009 was peak TNA. The roster was stacked with talent, matches were constantly great. Were they gonna be as big as wwe? Never. But the product was a good alternative to what we had
He turned it into WWE/WCW-lite. Which was the worst thing they could have done.
LET ME TELL YOU SOWMTHING BROTHA
I WAS AT THE TOP OF MY GAME I WAS PULLKNG NUMBERS AEW WOULS DREAM OF AND THAT JOBBER STING WOULD RUB MY BACK AFTERWARDS AND CONGRADATE ME. But he is a
Hogan didn't screw Impact... Impact screwed Impact. By hiring Hogan.
True
Sidebar, I think Dixie Carter should get her own video in the future. Whether it's her heel run or a character study, she is worthy of an examination.
I'd watch an examination of her in between 2 gentlemen of color.
Did Dixie Carter ever do anything good for TNA, other than provide it with financial backing?
@@jliller She didn't even do that right! Ask those who worked at LensCrafters and Dollar Tree while on the roster.
yes!
@jliller Didn't even do that right. It's why there were always stories about production people threatening to walk unless they got paid.
The sad part is that TNA was on a bit of a course correction by the end of 2009. They finally put the title on AJ. They signed Nigel McGuinness and put him in a feud with Kurt Angle. The tag team scene was rolling again with MCMG, British Invasion, and Beer Money, and they signed the Young Bucks at the end of 2009. They had the potential to do great things. Then Hogan pretty much undid everything on his first day.
Not to defend Hogan but let's be honest for a single second... It wasn't his company, it was Dixie's, Hogan wasn't in charge of signing, Dixie was... Did he really help ? No but undid anything? ... Mental gymnastics you must be good at.
The Young Bucks? You mean Generation Me
@@supersasukemaniac What are you talking about? They spent two and a half years in their original run, ending up in some of TNA's all-time classic tag matches.
OP is totally correct: Brian was kind to use the word "nearly" in the title. Hogan certainly wasn't alone in running TNA into the ground, but he was absolutely one of the main catalysts.
@@supersasukemaniac lmao okay well first off, it's more so looking back because they could wrestle then... As for the latter .. use Google for once in your life bud. 2009-2011 isn't "barely a month"... If your gonna be a d bag, at least be accurate and look things up . Now back to your tissues and Roman with you.
@@HeinerGunnar Jeremy and Max
The funniest thing about the attempt at a second Monday Night War that Hogan & Bischoff tried doing with TNA is that Spike was never committed to it. Even when Impact aired on Monday nights against Raw, Spike would still air that same episode later that same week on Thursday, as usual, so there was literally no reason at all to ever watch Impact on Monday, since you could just watch it later in its entirety on Thursday.
One thing I will give AEW credit for is they have their show on Wednesday, even though I would rather watch aew than z WWe these days
Eric announcing "Monday night war" was one of the funniest shit in wrestling history. TNA couldn't even compete with ECW, which was lowest rated WWE product.
I truly think Eric has a brilliant mind for wrestling and business. However, he was still stuck in the Monday Night Wars era and tried everything he could to bring back some legitimacy to himself, and by extension, his new "pet project" in then "new" TNA with him and Hogan onboard. Ultimately, craving the fame and success he had during the wars had massively stifled his creativity.
It’s pretty hilarious how many times that Hogan failed at recreating the nWo.
-The Band (Middle Aged nWo)
-Immortal (Unrecognizably Watered-Down nWo)
-Aces & Eights (Hell’s Angels nWo)
I was there that night 20:24. It was so awkward watching Dixie holding on to Hulk as he walked away. Rather than saying fuck you, we dont need you...she made everyone watching feel less than as if TNA wouldnt survive on their own without the mighty hulkster. It was sad and felt sorry for everyone on the roster seeing it. It was my only TNA show I would attend.
It's her character
Yeah that was brutal. "Character" doesn't really excuse that by acting that way, she's essentially saying "no one else matters, and the blood, sweat and tears of our home grown talent just isn't good enough". Big yikes.
The sadder part is that this was happening during a storyline where Aj Styles was threatening to leave the company.
Is that the WCW Hardcore Championship Belt I see in the background?
If so…. FREAKIN AWESOME!!
The change to a four sided ring was actually welcomed by the wrestlers, because the six sided ring was much harder to bump on. AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels I think brought it up in their interviews.
Actually Aj has said that while the bumps were harder on six sides he preferred it because it made them different and it gave their product an identity. Still though 4 sides is understandable for the wellbeing of the talent for sure.
@@SirRavixofFourhornPlus he cut a promo where for a PPV they brought it back.
They were tricker to work around. But someone said that the change ended up doing gangbusters for the TNA toys if they could market a 6 sided ring to go with your toys
@@joshc1981Impact had the double whammy of a lesser-quality figure (Jakks Pacific with accessories that couldn’t be removed, like Bully Ray’s hat) and a less popular product. If they’d had a six sided ring when I was a kid I would’ve bought that and used it over the WWE play sets just for variety.
Six sided ring looks cool on TV and marks love it but wrestlers prefer a normal ring
I remember they announced Spike was cancelling Impact the night that Samoa Joe debuted in nxt and I described it as "The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down"
And all the people were singing lmao
I was at that Genesis PPV and several other shows in 2010. To say the shows got worse quickly over that year is an understatement.
That's bull$hit, I remember being hyped for TNA but like u said it just started going downhill in 2010 cus of backstage incompetence! TNA could've been a legit #2 promotion!
@@billblaski9523 It was #2.....because there was nobody else. RoH had better wrestling but TNA had a better presentation and an actual TV deal.
I was too. My friends and i walked out after hogans promo.
I have to agree especially with changing the 6 Sided Ring into a traditional 4 Sided Ring was one of the dumbest things ever and that's just the first of many blunders when Hogan was there. I really blame Dixie for all the stuff that happened cause TNA was gaining some traction but Dixie was the one who made those decisions y'all remember that Talent Meeting she had saying what they did was not enough which made them look stupid.
@wave201988 don't forget the part where she said that anyone who didn't get on board needed to look for work elsewhere.
I distinctly remember being in a doctors office with my dad and being in a waiting room where maury or something was on. A TNA commercial came on hyping up hogans return and this little old lady next to me says "Don't that Hulk Hogan know hes too old to be wrastling now" followed by a chuckle. Dont know why but that popped me pretty good.
Granma knows what's up
Was she a stunt granny?
They had Hulk Hogan on the season finale of The Ultimate Fighter that year and my dad said is he having money troubles
Grandma burying Hogan on the mic
These Hulkamaynia videos make me appreciate Bobby "the Brain" Heenan and Jesse "the Body" Ventura even more! Those two guys had so many great one-liners about Hogan.
Sadly, the 2010 decade was the start of the current rosters (TNA and WWE) being treated as second rate
Dixie: "If you dont want to be here, you can leave!"
Lo-Ki: "aiight, ima head out"
And then he would go on to be in NXT Season 2
He's probably not the best example seeing as he has a reputation of being hard to work with. He returned to the company and was told by Dutch Mantel to go home because he was whining about not being in the world title storyline.
I'm starting to fear for Brian's mental well-being after seeing that intro.
Hulkamania is killing Brian :(
Just like it killed many careers, both Hogan and Bubba the Love Sponges marriages, and John Graziano (almost)
Cute comment, mark
@@humanipulationnation Don't work yourself into a shoot, bro. ;)
TNA had issues long before Hogan came in, over reliance on past stars, booking issues, lack of advertising, not paying wrestlers on time and fairly. If Hogan and Bischoff had taken the time to understand the companies strengths and weaknesses and then worked to improve them, they could've made a positive impact. Instead they ended up compounding a lot of the issues. AJ Styles expressed his frustration about the situation in the interviews he gave after leaving TNA. He was particularly angry about Hogan not promoting the company and thought Hogan was embarrassed by the poor attendance at house shows. Kurt Angle said the company almost went under due to Hogan and Bischoff's spending. I think the bright side of this is that Dixie Carter was forced to relinquish control of Impact by selling it to Anthem Sports.
They shoulda kept the six sided ring. It was definitely unique
I agree 💯
While it looked unique the wrestlers hated it
@@JamaalDaGreatest And don't forget they did bring it back, only to drop it again precisely because the wrestlers voted against it.
TNA had a really great roster during Hogan's time in the company but unfortunately, they fucked it up in spectacular fashion.
TNA's legacy in a nutshell
I don't think the roster was ever TNA's problem. They always seemed to be brimming with talent. All the company's problems came from the idiots in management.
Agree, the main event scene should have been the Fortune guys as singles wrestlers
When Styles said him and Bischoff didn't even know all the talents names I was like damn man that's rough
By they you mean Dixie.
Watching several videos on Hulk Hogans time in TNA recently, it's become very clear that Bully Ray was the biggest success story during the Hulk Hogan era.
Austin Aries also
WWE wanted to bring Bully Ray back but they didn't want to use the Bully name because they had a thing against bullying in place and thought it'd contradict what they were doing about fighting bullying
He mentioned on a podcast also that Hogan never promoted TNA whenever he was on TV never mentioned them at all despite being under contract was ridiculois
I was hoping you’d get to this. Can’t wait to watch
And I wasn’t let down!
Same
@@claymathewselevator8121 Someone already talked about Hogan's time in TNA, and he will get upset when he sees someone else do a TNA video without his consent. He's the only youtuber that can only do TNA related content because he's about being original, and not be like the idiots from WhatCulture or Cultaholic or PartsFunknown or Wrestlelamia
@@ricardonb6375 it’s MarkyD. I know who it is and his vid was great as well, but it’s always nice to get two different views on a topic. Different view points can let you learn more about things, and someone my bring up a point that wasn’t said earlier. One person shouldn’t get to do all the vids on a topic and then no one else can do it. It’s always nice when there are two different view points on a topic.
MarkyD has no standing to be claiming anything. He’s late to the game.
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain" - I think perfectly sums up HH
Except he was never the hero to begin with, he only acted as such until the 80s were over.
@@BeyondDaXI went back and watched Hulk Hogan back in the 1980s and dude was a low key heel back then.. Watch how he did Randy Savage and Mr. Wonderful..
He became the villain permanently for me with his heel turn promo in 96, it really felt like the real guy talking then.
Refised to lose to Bret as well@@kenrickeason
9:26 the six-sided ring is known to be hard to work and at least slightly more risky to use, but damn if it wasn't cool and iconic and a major part of Impact's DNA. It's not the same without it.
I'm a little sad you didn't mention that Flair's group Fourtune... the successor to the Four Horsemen... with Four in it's name.. had like... 6 people in it...
We Need More TNA Videos
- Jeff Hardy
- Perc Angle (Kurt Angle)
- Main Event Mafia
- Scott Steiner
- Triple H Vs Jeff Jarrett Reign Of Terror
Scott Steiner in TNA would be a great companion piece to his Scott Steiner in WWE video
Main Event Mafia member Rampage Jackson
MarkyD has covered all of those topics on his channel
@@ricardonb6375 Yeah but this guy does it slightly better
Ngl. I know many look on this poorly, but it certainly was entertaining in number of things. Like Joker Sting was one of the best things ever. Angle vs Jarrett was a great feud. Anderson in the main event scene, the guys within Fortune. Bully Ray's rise, Bobby Roode's rise. Just some of the bright sparks, shame it slowly started going down hill bit by bit, to the point the mid 2010s was kinda eeehhh, and I say that as one who loved TNA/Impact those years.
Hogan's TNA theme is actually just the nWo theme you would hear on the Playstation games.
In reality I blame Dixie Carter cause she pretty much treated the classic TNA Roster like mid carders cause much of the roster was cut within 6 months. Think about it in 2007, 2008 and 2009 had a very deep roster, and by 2010 they had some former WWE and WCW talent and a lot of the TNA Originals were gone in favor of them. Now I was happy to see Jeff Hardy and RVD back but having AJ Styles turn into a Ric Flair rip-off was ridiculous and the bookers and Dixie are to blame for TNA's downward spiral.
"In this ring right now are the guys that reinvented this business...and Sean Waltman."
he was there
Their biggest blunder was treating TNA like there was something wrong with it when they arrived. They had just had their best 3 years before this, and it seemed like it was crescendo-ing to this moment that would push them to the next level
But instead Bischoff and Hogan set out to change everything about TNA that set it apart. So it became an island of WWE castoffs making a WWE-lite without any of the aura, name value, or majesty that WWE has.
They brought in Vince fucking Russo 11 years after his last good idea ffs
Something to be said for backing yourself and your own uniqueness, especially when it's weird perverted over-the-hill old men telling you you're defective.
I remember Hogan in TNA
My dad told me on January 4th 2010 that you can either watch Hogan's Debut in TNA or see Bret Hart return to WWE
Well I picked Bret Hart Make his WWE Return
Good decision
@Clay Mathews Elevator
I knew that Hogan joining TNA was going to spell uncertainty and trouble
Short Answer: Yes
Long Answer: Yeeeeeeeeeeees
I remember when TNA moved to Mondays. My friends and I managed to get 2 televisions hooked up on the living room and watched both shows. We only did that for 2 weeks.
The fact you lasted 2 weeks is admirable at best.
One of my “favorite” Hogan promo lines from Impact: “The main problem that we have is that we have a problem.” Uh huh.
With the rumors of AEW potentially getting a 500 million dollar TV deal and a huge Wembley show, it makes TNA look even more pathetic in retrospect.
TNA, at different points, had WCW legends including Sting, Kevin Nash, Scott Steiner and Booker T. They had ECW legends including Mick Foley, Sabu, Rhino and Raven. They had Jeff Jarrett, the epitome of and old southern heel. They had Christian coming into his own as a main eventer. They had the top drawing wrestler of all time, Hulk Hogan. They had the greatest wrestler of all time, Ric Flair. They had legendary tag teams New Age Outlaws (VKM), Dudley Boyz (Team 3D), and the Hardy Boyz. They had future WWE Champions Drew McIntyre and Bobby Lashley. The had the future recognized best wrestler in the World, AJ Styles. They had Desmond WolfeThey had a ton of other "Originals" with upside, including Samoa Joe, Christopher Daniels, Bobby Roode, Jay Lethal, Alex Shelley, Eric Young, Petey Williams, James Storm, and Chris Sabin. They had Abyss, which started as a bad Kane ripoff and took on a life of its own. They had the Young Bucks, who became AEW centerpieces, and buried them in the X Division. They had Okada, the greatest Japanese wrestler ever, and turned him into a Green Hornet parody. They had CM Punk, and let him go to WWE to become a star. They had Jon Moxley for like 10 seconds. They had EC3, a great talker with serious star potential. They had Rockstar Spud, the next coming of a great comedy wrestler They had Xavier Woods, the mouthpiece for one of the greatest stables in WWE history. They had Eli Drake, a current rising WWE star with Rock-like qualities, and they couldn't get him over. They had Gail Kim, one of the greatest female wrestlers of all time. They had Awesome Kong, one of the great Female Monster heels. They had The Beautiful People, one of the greatest female stables who drew legitimately high ratings for a while. They picked up WWE greats Victoria and Mickie James to round out the division. They had Broken Matt Hardy, the most innovative pioneering gimmick of the past 20 years. They had the Allie-Laural-Braxton love triangle, which gave us awesome heel Maria, hot mess Chelsea Green, and my favorite wrestling wedding segment of all time. They had stables like Main Event Mafia, TNA Front Line, and Aces & Eights.
And, most of all, they had PERC FREAKIN ANGLE! That alone should've taken them to another level.
AEW got where it did starting with a Chris Jericho, a Japanese Gaijin, a WWE mid carder, and a merry band of Indie darlings and their friends.
Dixie Carter is the single worst wrestling promoter in the history of our sport.
And despite all this, after losing everything, Scott D'more has booked one of the better wrestling shows since 2017 with next to nothing in terms of star power.
I ASLI liked alpha male Mounty Brown. Eric Young during his peek. James Storm and Wild Cat Chris Harris. Did you say Mr.Kennedy?
They had the Legends Championship that seem so unique, special at the time.
On top of that they supposedly had some of the great minds that turned WWF & WCW to higher levels.
Eric Bischoff and Vince Russo.
But these idiots are good with some ideas, but putting it all together they were just bad. Many of these people were all about themselves.
That's why I don't like Jeff Jarrett in AEW. You can't have old guys taking other younger wrestlers spots who have more talent. You keep adding wrestlers like that and you'll slowly but surely ruined a company.
If WWA couldn't sell out shows in England in 2001/2002, what hope did TNA have a few years later? WWE didn't return to the UK for a stadium show for 30 years because at no point would it have sold out until the last 3-4 years, where, uh-oh, there was a pandemic. AEW are riding/causing a wave of popularity along with WWE that simply wasn't possible between 2003-2015. A time when wrestling was the most uncool thing in mainstream entertainment
Going say way too much words. Next time try to split up your sentences to make it little easier to read.
As for your statement yes they had all best legends but that can carry you so far till people get sick of them and want new and exciting.
Hogan and people at time in charge was not great at handling the new talent they basically repeated what they did in wcw. Which is fuck the new stars lets use older talent and push them so hard that fans will tell us that we suck and they hate it.
Tna would be better off with someone who cares about business and not some old wash up power hungry douche
Jim Cornette had the perfect line to describe Impact you can be in the witness protection program and be on Impact and nobody would notice
Another person who suffered from the Hogan regime was Nigel McGuinness (fka Desmond Wolfe)
As a former ROH Champion, he was super over with the IWC, and they kept fan voting him into giving him a massive push, but since they were trying to make Abyss the next big thing, Wolfe was punished for getting over on his own
Zack Ryder in 2011 syndrome
Which is kind of funny considering how Abyss was booked, going from actual monster to adding layers upon layers of dumb lore, to becoming pseudo-Mankind, to getting magic powers from Hogan's HOF ring, they just couldn't seem to get stuff right with him until they did the Joseph Park angle.
Honestly I became a wrestling fan at the start of the 2010's, so Hogan's TNA is the TNA that always comes to mind for me
It's the TNA that _still_ comes to everyone's minds... for some reason.
That’s when I got into TNA
Peak TNA was 2004-08, though the second half of that was mostly a plateau. Many of us believed at the time that the company could totally maintain its niche in between the all-ring RoH and all-soap WWE as the best of both worlds, a beautiful blend. Instead they went all in on WCW 2.0 and Monday Night War 2.0, clearly disastrous. They stripped away everything that made TNA the enjoyable alternative it had been until that point, going for cookie-cutter instead of unique.
Almost everything since Hogan has been nowhere close to the same, even though they've had plenty of great talent the last 14 years.
It did have some very good moments, especially around 2011 and 2012, when other people got a shine, like Robert Roode, Austin Aries, James Storm, etc. The tag team scene had some spectacular matches still and whenever they actually tried, so did the X Division. And the first half of Ace's & 8's was genuinely intriguing. Not to mention, they had some genuinely amazing production at times. Bound For Glory 2010's entrance set is one of the most beautiful sets I can ever remember.
Peak TNA was 05 to 08
Love it when Brian Zane reviews TNA stuff
The one good thing Hogan did there was bringing back the traditional square ring.
Yes, the hex ring was different and made them stand out. But wrestlers HATED running the ropes and bumping on it. Just ask Sting.
The ropes and canvas were so much stiffer, leading to much more long-term wear-and-tear.
It's why I'm so surprised AJ Styles' career has lasted as long as it has.
One thing that can be said about AJ is that he's smart about and very in touch with what his body can and can't do at any given point in time, so he doesn't aggravate anything small and nagging that could become a major injury or long term issue. Also helps that, unlike the guys in the 80s and 90s, he isn't burned out on cocaine constantly.
@@davezanko9051And, lest we forget, DDP Yoga.
If you're a wrestler and you don't do DDP Yoga, you're an idiot.
Pro wrestling owes so, so much to Diamond Dallas Page.
@@coldsnap5742do,you,understand, how,to , use, com,mas,,,,?
as Worf said, "You cannot tarnish a rusty blade."
“I’ve been in the back all day long with all the talent that are running so hard!” Okay Hogan, name 5 of those guys right off the top of your head
"No you haven't, you just got out of your limosine!" -Jim Cornette, 2010
@@DLRXI ran a 2bit wrestling organization, and drafted off the success hogan brought to pro wrestling. - Jim Cornette
Honestly, between what was going on here in TNA with this and what WWE was doing (and going to do in 2010), it was THOSE companies like Chikara (damn, that takes me back), ROH, and PWG that kept my love of wrestling alive. Without them, I probably would have lapsed out of wrestling around this time.
I did lapse out of wrestling at the time, to your point. I had Cena Nuff of new Hogan getting shoved down our throats on one side (My dad joked at one point that they'd have Cena defeat a lion, tiger, and bear 1-on-3 in a handicap match soon enough.), and sure enough, actual Hogan shoved down our throats on the other side. You are spot on about those smaller companies being the only good things going at the end of the 2000s and early 2010s.
The Lapsed Fan Podcast is currently doing their "TNH" (Total Nonstop Hogan) series, and its pretty clear to me that nobody knows what they're doing in this company. What a cluster fvck!
"this company." Nice.
JP sounded like he was going to cry when he saw Impact make WarGames boring.
Brian's impression of Hulk Hogan should be used on every episode of this series because it is hilarious.
I think he should do the hogan voice all the time with no explanation
Right up there with Jawnny and Pulse from Deadlock
@@radthepaisley dude
I just remember watching that first Monday episode of IMPACT, and the very second they went to a commercial, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels hugged in the ring on RAW. I knew right then this experiment was going to fail miserably.
Hogan's debut on Impact took place just as Raw was starting, which kicked off with Bret Hart making his first live WWE appearance in over a decade.
The closest we'll get to seeing Bret vs Hogan (not counting their Nitro encounter)!
I grew up on Hogan and I will still never understand how/why companies kept going back to him as if he was going to turn things around.
Bubba Ray was there as living evidence it was a post ecw world..and they resumed like universe began with wcw invasion amalgamation...and as crazy as that sounds to watch like a train wreck love letter to Vince Mcmahon... They made it unwatchable. They perfected it to fail.
Exactly
Hotdogin n grandstandin
"big name mean more eyes, more eyes mean more money", probably. Same reason why people rarely take chances with new writers/bookers and hire Russo instead, then it all comes back to bite them.
I remember watching the first Monday night TNA shoe and will never forget that incredibly stupid domed cage match with the hole at the top that NOBODY it seemed tried out beforehand since NOBODY could get out! The crowd showered the arena with boos, laughs , and a lot of change the channel. I rewatched it on the replay a few days later and they piped in cheers and cut the match by a lot!
The poor boys never had a chance at getting out of that thing. Surprisingly I don't think that ever had that kind of match again. I only say that because of how many times TNA did dumb things over and over.
Does anyone else remember that?
Steel asylum,the one you saw was the fourth one.
"Homicide is still trying to climb out to this day."
These are the videos I absolutely love! A video revolving a certain wrestlers time in a particular company. Still to this day I rewatch Vader in WWF, Roddy in WCW, etc. and now add this to the list of great classic videos. Thank You Brian!!!!! Awesome work as always!!
I was in the crowd for the taping of the two go-home shows for Bound For Glory 2011 (Hogan's pretend retirement). The audio was so bad, you couldn't even tell who's music was playing, much less understand what was being said on the mic. That whole segment was baffling live and nobody in the crowd had any idea what was going on.
This was my experience of that segment:
Hogan came out for the long "THANK YOU HOGAN" entrance, talked for a few minutes, then Sting came out, said something unintelligible, the video played on the big screen (with unintelligible audio), Hogan got all worked up and screamed something into the mic, Sting looked happy about that, said something else that nobody in the arena understood, and left while Hogan flipped out in the ring.
WTF!? In those days, TNA needed a better sound system more than anything. Even WWE house shows were far superior, sound-wise.
16:53 wrestling fandom as a whole would come off a lot better to outsiders if we would take this perspective on many events in the business. We love to hate certain matches, moments, things & people in the business for good reasons, but a lot of them came about because we fans begged for it. I feel like Brian had a healthy take on it here & I wish more would see it like this.
I love it when you do videos like this as TNA is such a blindspot in wrestling for me. Isn't it rather sad that Hulk Hogan's last match was some six-man tag at a house show and not some grand retirement match 10 years earlier?
I remember watching TNA during this time as well as RAW and Smackdown. I was only watching Wrestling since 2006, but TNA had wrestlers that I was fans of: AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, The Pope D’Angelo De’nero, James Storm and Christopher Daniels.
However, during 2010: it was just the most trainwreck tv show with TNA: failed Monday night wars, ABYSS goes from monster, to poor wish version hulk, to talking about they. Then the Immortal nonsense. And that was just in 2010.
"Laaaaaaaazy Booking!"
Glad to see you're still a Corny fan.
3 years felt way longer than that lol
I think it would be fitting if Brian reviewed the whole Immortal storyline in TNA, as ties into both this video and Aces and Eights creating a trilogy of sorts.
That Hogan/Sting match at BFG wasn't all that bad as the action was decent considering both men's respective ages and the finish made sense a far cry from their previous encounters
Plus, it did give us that iconic Hogan face turn after the match
The frustrating thing is that it's not hard to book something amazing with Hogan - Book the Old Hogan redemption angle. An old deluded heel with huge ego who can't really wrestle, having bad matches and winning anyway t massive boos... But eventually he gets humbled by something, and he becomes a mentor to some young guy you want to push, and eventually he agrees to one last match where he just takes a lot of punishment but refuses to go down. He hulks up for the last ever time for the win, then gets carted out because his knees exploded.
One thing I remember from his TNA run was his encounter with LAX and I can't remember which member accused him of discrimination and Hogan responded with "I'm not racist" which aged like milk
this video unlocked so many memories of watching this era of tna lmfao. like my family still quotes the “is it me or is it friggin hot in here?” from when taz joins aces and eights😭
Did you know Hogan and The Rock are the only guys in the WWF/E to hold 4 different versions of that title.
Undertaker, Cena, Triple H and Bob Backlund held 3 versions. (I'm not including custom like Stone Cold and Edge.)
Careful Brian, I think "lazy booking" is copyrighted by Cornette.
I was actually just wondering if they'd patched things up. Cornette at one point jokingly called Brian his illegitimate son but they had a falling out a couple years ago over severely disagreeing over AEW's EVPs.
@@yojoeski Love to hear Cornette talk about old wrestling, and decimate new stuff, but he has a falling out with everyone, Brian Last has to be a complete yes man.
@@willymassey8273 To some extent yes but I've heard Last disagree with him on more than one occasion. The major difference is that Last usually approaches it from a "respectfully disagree" position rather than trying to call Jim out or start a fight over something. I don't think Last is a yes man, but I definitely think he's much more diplomatic than Cornette is and that to me is what makes them work.
To answer the question...No, because they were headed in that direction anyway, but his presence didn't give them the boost they hoped for. Russo did significantly more damage to the brand (and having Dixie's support for awhile was a red flag)
Oh man, the Hogan and Bischoff Era of TNA Wrestling feels like a bad childhood fever dream nowadays
I’ll give this era some credit, it did create the iconic Bryan Alvarez “Gold Boat” TNA Rant which is still the greatest moment in the history of Wrestling Observer Radio
Brian in this video: "Bischof doesn't get enough credit for what he did in WCW."
Brian later in this video: "Bischof's last great idea was 20 years ago and it wasn't even his idea!"
23:02 This statement here sums up post 1980's Hulk Hogan so perfectly!¡!¡! Not to say that he's never done the job for anybody ever but there are so many instances where he delayed a guys push or contributed to the demise of their career altogether just because "that didn't work for him brother". For years an up and coming babyface would've gotten massive (good) heat by beating Hogan clean yet you really don't see any instances of that. The same could be true of a heel beating Hogan whilst he was a babyface, resulting in massive heat to compliment the push. He could've helped sooooo many of the boys later on in his career yet he rarely (if ever) did so.
The Nasty Boys splatter paint gear is a guilty pleasure for me
07:26 *A WILD SLAPNUTS APPEARS!!*
it's pretty obvious, but I'm inclined to reframe the Hogan & Co period of TNA as more the most visible symptom of what happens when you have Dixie's insane infatuation with ex-WWF/E guys and giving them boatloads of money for the pleasure of showing up. taking into account Kia basically saying they gave her $40k a year, Daniels saying he was damn near the red in his bank account, all the bullshit with Joe, and not paying AJ, it's becoming clear that it wasn't just a story of not appreciating what you have in favor of finally getting the toy you always wanted as a kid, but that they never once cared about the talent that gave TNA its identity. it almost seems inevitable.
As someone who spent a few years on the outlaw mudshow southern indy wrasslin scene, "pilly gimmick" makes me laugh every time I hear it. Everything is a gimmick, my friends. 😂
Thanks for all the work you put into this month... Brother Jack Brian Zane Dude!!
-HH
Challenge for this video: see how long it takes for Ed Leslie to show up. For wherever the Hulkster goes, the Beefer is never far behind.
EDIT: Mentioned at 4:42, there we go. xD
Brian, have you listened to Bischoff and Prichard talk about this time in TNA? I found it quite enlightening.
Hogan's gonna Hogan...he wasn't the main issue. The issues were in the back office, where Dixie and the Carters believed (amongst other nonsense) that they could just inject Hogan into the mix and that would be a panacea, and didn't know what they didn't know. As Bruce Prichard said, "you could have dropped the Undertaker and John Cena in the middle of a TNA ring in that time, and it would have barely moved the needle."
Hulk is iconic but he is also the kind of guy that makes it hard to like him for sure.
I remember watching this whole experiment and praying that it would end quickly. I hated everything about it, especially the immortal storyline The Aces and Eights was good
The original death of TNA... They were flying high at the end of the 00s. They were consistently putting out a better product than WWE, and had enough buzz around them to bring in big name stars (Hogan, Flair, Foley, Bischoff, etc.). Then, instead of using these stars to highlight their amazing homegrown talent, and continuing to do what brought them to the dance; they changed everything put all the focus on the washed up legends and ruined the company. Smh...
In short yes , yes it did
Absolutely
Ngl I kinda liked the Joker Sting, Sting/Hogan feud
There was *one* appearance where Hogan did bring up TNA, and it was American Idol of all shows! It was a very brief mention that didn’t mean anything for them, but it still happened.
Dixie is ultimately to blame, since she wanted to be in charge over any logical sense, and had no intention of selling her company even when it was painfully clear she was in over her head.
And she told the roster to respect her decision and look what happened.
I still believe her father kept funding her fascination with wrestling because he knew it would keep his idiot child from wanting a higher up job at Panda Energy where her incompetence could cause real damage.
I was like 12 when Hogan came into TNA and I still remember that episode where the 6 sided ring changed. And I couldn’t understand it then and couldn’t believe how fast it went downhill
I used to prefer TNA back in the day over WWE until Hogan came into TNA. I didnt like the direction it went & stopped watching shortly after. Still havent tried to watch it since.
I had forgotten that episode went up against the raw where Bret returned. I was at that show in the nutter center.
You can't convince me that Hulk Hogan doesn't want to have relations with his own daughter. He's more loving and more intimate with her than he is with his own wife. It's insane what you don't notice when you're a teen watching this stuff unfold.
can't blame him. his daughter looks quite delicious.
Donald trump syndrome
Just the picture of him putting sunscreen on her butt and that one episode of hogan knows best where he straight up picks ice cream of Brooke's breasts
Seems to be a problem with a lot of rich guys with power and a sec addiction. The way they live affects their brain.
I’d been a loyal TNA fan up to and somewhat beyond that point, but my last memory of TNA before the current era was Dixie grabbing Hogan’s leg. But I knew they were in trouble the moment I saw the Nasty Boys. Hogan, Bischoff, and other WCW refuse couldn’t have done a better job of nearly destroying the company if they tried. They upended everything that made TNA an entertaining alternative, and I’ve never forgiven them for that (and more).
In the UK TNA was a very big deal. You got FX the channel TNA was on as part of the standard Sky package. For WWE you needed an expensive Sky Sports subscription.
My dad and I watched TNA every week, but when Hogan, Bischoff and the other cronies got involved we very swiftly fell out of love with the product
Let's also remember that the dumpster fire that was Victory Road 2011 took place during this period.
I was always convinced that Vince sent Hogan/Bischoff to TNA to destroy it from within.
I'll give Hogan credit. His on-screen exit was and still is hilarious.
Crazy thing is Impact is still a thing. But between 2004-2007, shit was awesome.
Sadly, they seem to have less than 500 dedicated fans in attendance these days.
I bought the January 4th episode through the PlayStation store way back when, and it’s still on my PS3 til this day. Was hoping Homicide’s awkward climb out of the Xscape hole would be preserved in full but no such luck lol
8:29 even Russo haters (some justified) have to give the man credit for being the first to rip on Hulk publicly in a way he'd had coming for a very long time. Vince went to bat for the WCW young guns at the time against Hogan, despite knowing he'd be castigated for it (at the time).
The problem with Vince is he has the attention span of a gnat high on meth, many of his ideas would end up going nowhere… I do give him credit for building a midcard and having storylines for them, but man the 3 minute matches, the Raw episode where the Brothers of Destruction ruined every match, and the non stop title changes that made no sense
ur stealing the HAWK's Thunder Zayne......
If he's not careful he's going to get a brick to the head
@@williamcloos1488 Or a punch to the gut
@@ricardonb6375 a kick to the slaso and the stroke.
And take his girl
@@williamcloos1488 he might slap him one..
i would like to see w3 cover dusty rhodes in wwf cause its interesting how vince kept trying to ruin the rhodes family even under his own brand
We're at the point where this is becoming nostalgic to me. lol
If you think Brian Zane is miserable, The Lapsed Fan decided to go all in on everything Hogan in TNA, including his lawsuit against the spinal fusion company that promised him one last go in the ring.
its worth noting that the 6 sided ring was brutal to work on apparently, so thats why Hogan pushed to change it.
It's also highly notable that when they dropped it, some of the TNA roster stalwarts were annoyed at first at what they saw as loss of identity, but they soon realized how they had been getting needlessly beaten up by the six-sided ring. And it was needlessly, as it doesn't actually add anything to the matches other than "gee, we look different!", which comes off as cheesy. AJ talked about it in his appearance on the Stone Cold Podcast.
Bringing it back in 2014, following an obviously rigged fan vote, on the other hand, drew a lot of complaints from wrestlers and led some to abandon the company.
One of the first things Scott D'Amore and Don Callis did when they were brought on to run the show following the chaotic fist year under Anthem ownership (itself worthy of a whole chapter in a video on the post-Spike, pre-D'Amore regime TNA/Impact) was to poll the wrestlers (you know, the people who actually have to work in the damn thing!) what they wanted, and the squared circle won overwhelmingly. It's no coincidence that the first set of tapings with the return of a four-sided ring saw the return of Austin Aries, who had been the single most vocal critic of bringing back the six-sided ring. (That Aries wore out his welcome in less than a year is more just him being a head case.)
To hell with the algorithm I want the full intro
Impact Wrestling after this and the whole Styles baby Doll stuff is lucky to still be in business although not at the level it did during the TNA vs WWE Monday war aka the death of TNA as a WWE competitor
It’s sad the Claire Lynch storyline was my introduction to AJ, Christopher Daniels and Frankie Kazarian
Calling that a war is generous lol
@@DSFking It's like the Falklands. For a war, you need one side to occasionally win. WCW was winning the battle against WWE until things went bad. TNA never got close to that.
Bloody hell, what was the timeline for this, Claire Lynch and Aces & Eights? Did they all overlap or come along around the same time?
What a holy trinity of shit.
For all the great wrestlers they had to not be able to do better means there is a plethora of blame to go around. Hogan, Russo, Eric B, Nash and for sure Miss Carter.