Heroes in History: Afeera
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- čas přidán 8. 02. 2023
- And we finally have our Heroes in History on Afeera.
This one was not an easy one to make, and I'm sure it shows. As a student who has researched the Islamic expansion, that effect on Europe and the Middle East, and the European response (ie. The Crusades, Reconquista, and Balkan Wars), I was incredibly excited to research and dive into this. The developers did already say that Afeera is based on the Mamluks, but I wanted to double check and make sure.
I recieved quite a bit of criticism for saying this in an impressions video though, and I've been told by numerous people that she's actually Persian. In this video I break down all the evidence I could find, refute a comment that tried to mock my stance, and I even add a few memes at the end of the video for good measure.
I do hope ya'll enjoy!
I bet my entire life savings this comment won’t get pinned.
I shall send you my Paypal information post haste.
oh boy!
@@RavenKnightYT uhhhhhhhhhh…. What’s Paypal?
@RavenKnightYT his life savings are negative. Checkmate
Huh, so the developers were right about it. Go figure. At least we can finally confirm that Afeera aren't just a compilations of every known Middle Eastern warrior.
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If there was one thing I found frustrating about this video, it would definitely be the sudden appearance of a Grammarly Ad during the Mamluk History discussion.
Honestly my favorite part about Afreea is that she's literally what I needed for a writing project I'm in the middle of. When discussing with my friends the setting and feel about some of the characters I can boot up for honor and show off Afreea. Love the hero!
Ooh this is gonna get some controversy. I applaud you Raven! Great video
It seems like any subject regarding Islam or Arabic Culture always turns people bananas! It’s like this simple culture from the Middle East stirs the blood of all!
For the record, as an atheist, I actually like both Middle Eastern culture and I like how Islam is very misunderstood thanks to media! I mean, compared to Christianity, at least Islam teaches that Allah is forgiving and loving regardless of who you are!
@@ulfberht4431 I wouldn’t call Islam very forgiving, what with their treatment of women, gay people, and anyone who doesn’t conform to their Faith. And, similar to Christianity, people have abused the excuse of their faith to commit atrocities. Just look at Khalid ibn Waleed. He was known as the “Sword of Allah” for his successful campaigns against the non-believers. A story goes that one night, he got drunk and murdered a fellow Muslim General and r**ed the General’s wife. When some Muslims demanded that Muhammad’s successor, one Abu Bakr, Condemn Khalid’s actions, Bakr replied “I shall not sheath the sword that Allah has drawn against the unbelievers.” Are there good and bad on both sides? Yes. And I agree that Islam is misunderstood by the modern media. So is Christianity. But they’re misunderstood in the wrong ways. Islam is far more brutal than people make it out to be, with the Sunnis and Shiites quite literally fighting each other since Muhammad left this world. And because of the Old Roman Catholics and Puritans, all Christians are deemed misogynistic, homophobic, zealous pieces of crap, regardless of if they are Orthodox, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Baptist, Modern Catholic, Anglican, and other less notable denominations. Jesus taught Forgiveness, Muhammad taught Submission (which is what Islam actually means). The Jizyah quite literally was a tax on Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and Hindi people for not conforming to their faith. To say the Christian Kingdoms didn’t do something a kin to this is laughable, but to disregard the Islamic peoples actions just because another Faith did it is alarming.
@Kristopher Prime
It does but not as often or as relevant as Islam. Sure Christianity teaches to “love thy neighbour” and that God loves all mortals etc., but they also teach you to fear him and how he will smite you even if you do the simplest things wrong. Granted that’s more of the west Burroughs baptist warped ideology of Christianity, but even communities outside teach us to fear god. That’s very contradictory. Whereas Islam always teaches that Allah is always forgiving and they are very consistent with it.
@@ulfberht4431 Objectively false. The Quran teaches that nonbelievers are enemies of Allah. Christianity says to leave nonbelievers alone besides spreading the gospel, wheras Islam completely supports forced conversion
@@kingalaric4431
How do you know that? Are you saying that the Quran actually says that based on word of mouth or have you actually read that? Even if the Quran said something like that, do you not think it’s implying non believers in a different context? Also, many Muslims take the context of their sacred books out of context all the time, and Christianity is no different! I’ve seen many people trying to convert others into Christianity and saying that “if you do not accept Christianity as the true religion, you are damned in hell regardless of how noble you are!” Even though the texts don’t say that at all or it is taken out of context or is out dated by today’s standards! So yeah, Christianity is no different when it comes to taking sacred words out of context! Care to challenge me on that your highness?
Always love your videos about the history behind for honor characters
Appreciate the amount of effort u put into ur vids. Thanks
Recently discovered your. Chanel and have been binging your fh content. I would love to see a series like this but around the different arms and armor of the heros
I loved this video Raven and keep up the great work.
When talking about for honor lore you should keep in mind that it was never meant to be realistic. It is a fantasy world that has some things based on our world. So I don’t understand why people get mad at things like female warriors because for honor at the start had them for every faction. Just don’t think of it as our world think of it as the for honor fantasy world. People like apollyon would have a big impact on the world and female warriors were a thing before Apollyon’s uprising. So I would say it is very likely at least 1 group of female warriors would be tested or made in the Middle East (remember for honor world). Females warriors played a big role in wars in for honor and they seem to be used a lot. Just think of for honor of as fantasy game that doesn’t lean too hard on fantasy or think of it as some kind of alternate history thing because that’s what their doing. It was never meant to be realistic or true history.
Love the vid keep up the good work
The world you're looking for is Low Fantasy, as is it's not something at the Caliber of Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings (although I'm being very nuanced about that claim), it's a tad closer to some form of reality that mirrors history, with a few creative liberties.
What a great video. I couldn't wait for this. When I first saw Afeera I thought of the Mamluk as well, though right from the start, the Persian influence is very apparent. What I would say to that is how Persianized the Islamic Caliphates became after Persia was conquered. Administration and governance were taken from Persian customs, so Persian elements in an Arabic warrior can be expected.
The mace and shield was a very common weapon in the middle ages as well, as the blunt force of a mace can at times do more damage than with a sword, which may not penetrate armor.
amazing video for one of my favorite heroes and cultures!!! loves it ❤❤❤
You had me at Wes' Oblivion guard voice.
the last part where you made an attempt at making a funny video did make me chuckle which is quite the feat mister. good work indeed.
I was looking forward to this, perfect video for Dinner... in my room... alone.💀
Still great Content Bro👍
RavenKnight for story writer at Ubisoft
Who agrees?
19:26 gave me a fine chuckle. Love this video, i did some research myself just because i was interested, and my biggest conclusion was that she was indeed a mamluk. I find it crazy that people can just be so rude just because someone’s early impression or idea doesn’t match theirs. My conclusion was that he played orochi. (Apologies to any respectable orochi players)
This video is very much appreciated and it was entertaining and intriguing to watch. You really nailed it.
But I've just 2 or 3 things I would like to say from my own standpoint.
First you provided a reference or a source to how the prophet mentioned that females shouldn't be in war. (Paraphrased I don't remember the exact lines). This hadith if it is one, may or may not be authentic. Every hadith found in Islam I'm sure your aware of, goes through an authentication process. I believe it has to pass approximately 6 stages to be classified as authentic. I've not heard of this hadith yet, but I just wanted to put that in there.
Second, I'm curious to know who this 14th century mamluk was. Who is yabuga al kasaki? If I'm spelling it right. Do you have a reference on him?
Lastly, it's more of a standpoint comment. But as a Muslim myself you mentioning the phrase "before islam was a thing" is rather confusing for me. Its a very common misconception that islam was "founded" by the prophet Muhammed peace be upon him. In islam we don't necessarily believe this, now idk if you are Muslim or not. I'm not sure I don't want to make assumptions. But we believe it was the first religion. For example with jesus peace be upon him. We believe he brought the injeel with him. His own book I guess you can say, but obviously as time passed changes happened and in the end another book called the bible was formed and obviously Christianity began. This isn't a targeted comment, I'm very respectful for what you done here. Just wanted to make this clarification. Eventhough you most likely already know this.
Good video though👍
Awesome video Raven. What is the instrumental music used in the video. It is awesome.
Love the video as always who cares if people won’t agree you are the expert
I really want a Persian immortal hero and am very happy Afeera isn't Persian, because then all my dreams would be crushed. Love the vid raven keep em comin
I like the mamluks, I wish we could've gotten a HEAVY BOI with a two handed Mace but it is what it is
Also love the vid raven
Shugoki kinda has a mace since a Kanabo is a club
An indian with an gada mace oh boi
So, give her a spear and she's the Shieldbreaker from Darkest Dungeon.
Facts
I think this hero being female only was to balance out the medjay being male only. I don't care either way really like the design and move set of her
One male and one woman for year, same think of warmounger, Gryphon, kyoshin and pirate
All the people saying he is wrong I trust the historian over some guys in the comments
Ong
is he a historian? hes a good teacher but im not convinced
I'm from Egypt and my family’s name is Mamluk, Aunt?
Wait Raven you said broken glass would taste terrible with pepper, but what about salt then. Would it make a salty glass or broken salt
Salt is always good.
@@RavenKnightYT You just had to say that didn't you 🤣
Yes! New raven knight video! WOOOO HOOO
hmm i think the snake motif is taken by nobushi more tho. sleek and striking like a viper when coiled. but yea she doesnt realy feel like a gazele
Nobushi is more of a viper, Afeera is more like a python.
@@GeistDrachen or an octopus you know they love to wriggle all over you with thos tentacles
After learning about them and their history I feel a little more comfortable about having my head bashed in by them
I learned something!
Also dance at end.aa cute
Okay you got many things wrong
1.the seljuks were not mamluks they were independent oghuz turk people who basically worked as mercenaries in Iranian center Asia before establishing their own state.
2. The reason why some rulers mistrusted and mistreated 'their' mamluks is because they weren't their mamluks in the first place. They usually would get freed somewhere in their careers such that upper elite of the Mamluks were free men. There loyalty was only to the person that bought them and raised them and eventually set them free. So they couldn't be inherented by the next rulers. So what happened is that next ruler would seek to replace the old mamluks with his own mamluks. That is the case with your example Al-Muazzam Turanshah who abused his FATHER mamluks because he knew that they weren't loyal and tried to replace them with his own mamluks {the Muazzami}. You can notice this in that mamluks were named after there ruler Turanshah father's mamluks. al shalih were called the Salihiyya for example
1.) I did not say they were the same thing. I said they started out as slave soldiers and then rose to be a major part of the Islamic Empire's fighting force. The Mamluks were another form of slave warrior.
2.) Well thanks for telling me that...but that's not something I got wrong. That's more just added information.
So you say I got MANY things wrong. I really didn't, but thanks for sharing extra information.
@@RavenKnightYT 1. On the first one
My point is that the seljuks were never slaves in the first place. They were a turkish clan that worked as mercenaries. They were not slaves that bought from the market and inducted into a master household or anything. They were a turkish clan that started out with a warlord named seljuk who was in service to the khazar. Before moving to Islamic Iranian world. Converting to Islam and getting involved in the power struggles there
2. My second point was that the reason any of the mamluks were abused wasn't because they were slaves. But because they were free. The relationship between mamluks and their masters weren't normal slave /master relationship. The mamluks were supposed to call their master 'father' with love. There fellow mamluks in the household were their brothers. The master wasn't abusive to them anymore than a father would be abusive to their sons in a medival society {actually hitting your children is very common here in Egypt still}. I am sorry if I came off as aggressive it wasn't my intention
I feel like we should have gotten an entire faction for Middle Eastern and African warriors, with the Afreera and Medjay being two of the members.
I would love ancient israelites, they have pretty interesting weapons and armors from what i read once, but fuck it im sold on a full middle eastren faction. There’s plenty to take from them and even mongols
I'd like to see a duelist character for the knights.
Peacekeeper already kind of fits that archetype to a certain degree.
I think a Rapier hero is the only missing weapon left for Knight faction.
Knights are missing too many weapons tbh. They still don't have Warhammers, Polehammers, Poleaxes (no, LB's Halberd is not a Poleaxe), Falchions, I mean shit, the Knight faction STILL has not gotten the literal late and most famous interpretation of a Knight in game, the full played from head to toe Chivalric Knight with a heater shield and Warhammer. The closest we have to that interpretation is Warmonger, but she's obviously an inspiration to the Holy Roman Empire Gothic Knights with her Flameberge and German style plate armor especially with the Sallet helms she has.
I just don't get why all her feats aren't last laugh
That was a real missed opportunity.
I'm honestly mildly disappointed that we didn't just get a janissary with a Kijil. I was playing too much assassin's Creed back then.
I really hope we get a true Mamluk hero one day. It feels so damn weird how they finally added an Arab hero to the game and.....its just literal fantasy as a concept. Same with the Kyoshin, the act of taking pop culture stuff and thrusting it into the game is truly getting irritating. Then again, if Ubisoft had some sense they would have dropped the whole Outlander thing by now and just committed to cresting new factions every couple years. Makes me wonder the kind of characters they would have made out of middle eastern weapons if they focused on an Arab faction like they did with the Wu Lin.
I came here expecting to yell into a void about who they were, but you RIGHT. I'm very glad, but i still wanna yell about something. I'm gettin old
So I was playing bannerlord while listening to this and accidentally chased 2 enemy cavalry off a cliff
If their agility is anything like the shinobi I already hate them
It's not as good as shinobis, much stricter timing.
I've got a theory as to why the sphere only showed the afeera, Ravier's mask and when Ravier saw the sphere she got a way for horkos to win the war.
My theory is that the afeera asked the sphere to show them danger to Arabia and because they gave a vague question they got a vague answer in return. The reason why Ravier saw how horkos could win the war was because she asked the sphere a very detailed question or maybe many questions to find the answer she wanted. Also I saw something about the lore in the loading screen tips and it said that the afeera rebuilt the sphere but it wasn't like the original.
Well that could be a decent explaination, but you think the people who had the orb would know about it a tiny bit more to not make such a stupid mistake and asking.
RavenKnightYT!!
To me it is obvious Mamluk. The shield, trousers, armour, helmet, moveset and designs to me just shows the inspiration from all cultures the Mamluk would be made of. No Mamluk was the same Afeera is unique combination of them all.
Plus Ubisoft love to make Islamic Female leads after all the original Assassins creed was going to be an all woman sultan guard (sound familiar 😂)
They need to add Polynesian warriors into this game
They probably will,
great video raven just some words from a stranger use people doubt as fire you are a great writer I make music and write and do other creative things as well and im deff not famous or anything by any means but just use the naysayers as fuel to the fire for great raven night content stay blessed
nice gameplay
Haha funny heavy kick heavy go *BRRRRRRRRR*
It would be cool if they added a Mayan or Aztec warrior for ancient central America civilizations
Actually there’s some women’s participating in wars in battle for example in yarmok battle ( maybe u can read or check about it ) and there’s women’s participating since the ( prophet peace be upon him ) yes they more do medical stuff and give water to soldiers but there’s women’s carried a sword and fight . Maybe you can do some search about them .
I mentioned Yarmuk in the video. They didn’t participate in a combat role.
@@RavenKnightYT actually there’s and i can give u names 🙄
@@aab5904 please do. I’d be very interested. Could you also provide the sources that tell us that they did in fact fight? I’m not saying I don’t believe you. I’d just like to see more than a list of names without an explanation as to what they did. I know there were women at the battle, but the sources I found say they did not fight the Byzantines.
@@RavenKnightYT sure . khawlat baynt alazur , 'am hakim bint alharth , salmaa bint luaa ، 'asma' bint abaa bakr .. I recommend to u khawla baynt alazur story ,, notice maybe some the names are not to accurate because the spelling difference between arabic and English so sorry but i do my best to make the names so accurate
Best Outlander hero.
She speaks arabic in a jordanian dialect lol. Pretty clear where she’s from
This... Kind of right while still story topical Europe (cartoons arab). Let me clarify.
Mameluke was as expandable as ranger US or commando UK. Mameluke was the closest to a 'true professional army' in middle age by our standard, and That is what makes them powerful.
In the middle age 'true professional army' were expansive (as in unachievable expansive).
the middle age armies are some kind of conscription ill-train & ill-armored or mercenaries costly & with no loyal.
(to learn the sword you need years to learn the rifle you need weeks that was the reason why a 'true professional army' were expensive)
So in order, to make a strong loyal soldier, you have to train them young, & raise them yourself to in-true their loyalty. That's what a knight is. The Mameluke & the Janissary were scale-up of that so a lot of children were needed the Sultan's solution was slaves (especially with Mongol product war-orphan slaves on an industry scale)
So Why did I say yours were cartoons arab? because slave armies were frecking expensive the only one who managed to achieve it was al-Malik al-Salih (the 5th Sultan) and he go the extra mile because of the Crusaders, Mongols & most important lack of people he can truth.
The actual expandable soldier was the forced militia the free men who were told to fight with minimum training & poor equipment.
(in the 7th Crusader, Shia Muslims were actually planning to ally with the Crusaders and their force would have doubled but the Shia connector (who I don't remember his name) died in the Crusaders' ship which was abnormal, led to the loss of goodwill to the Crusaders (man actually died of natural cause) that was not a rare thing)
1:05 off topic but what is that nuxia execution
Likely a tease for her herofest.
Can you do a video about warriors from india if possible?
Eventually I might.
Thanks
Hey nice
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I think Ubisoft shot themselves in the foot when they called the place "Arabia". They could have said they were a generic middle Eastern warrior, avoiding the controversial nature of Islam entirely. Instead of a Sultana they could have had a queen, and add more Indian inspirations and boom, no more sus stuff with the crusades.
NO GIVE ME MY CONTROVERSIAL WARRIORS
Still better than the shitty scorpion rip off 😂
FIRST
Second
W arab Afeera
Looks cool but too bad it’s gender locked
sharh al siyar al kabir i have never heard of that hadith being authentic not all hadith are authentic.
Why do you think it isn't authentic?
a real persian would never claim this islamic thing as it's own, this thing is not persian, it's insulting to even consider it persian
kulah khud is the translation for the word Helmet not a type of helmet, and the poem sang in the theme song is Persian because A) ubisoft can't separate islam and Persia which are very different, B) they know it's different but if they do the muslims will bomb them
Or, and this is much more likely, C: Just for style and creativity. Your mindset near the end ain't subtle.
@@dragonbornexpress5650 no it's not, in Iran muslims always go in uproar when we go to Cyrus the great's tomb, when we talk about ancient Persia, when we call ourselves Iranian instead of muslim, they want to destroy anything that has to do with Persia and Iran it's not subtle because i hate them as much as they hate us
You're talking as if Persia wasn't under islamic rule for 14 centuries now.
@@marsaeternum1003. "Uh.....sir? This is a Wendy's."
sources : trust me bro
…but…I literally gave sources.
POV: you didn’t watch the vid.
POV: You can't survive without trying to argue with people, even your arguments have no basis
if they were muslim then afeera is not based on them
Except...the devs themselves said that they were...
Damn I will love to see those Arabian sabers !
What bothers me is that people have been asking for a Central American warrior & yet they gave this character a clearly Lucha inspired moveset.
It does exactly fit in the lore, and due to the continental shift, they're most like even further away than before.