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I am in total agreement 100%. Ebikes have become popular and the State of CA wants their share. It's an unnecessary extra layer of bureaucracy that only benefits the State. The bureaucrat who introduced this bill is only trying to satisfy his/her constituants that clutch their pearls saying that ebikes are dangerous etc. This ebike licensing program benefits nobody but the State, it's additional revenue. You don't want the State of CA (DMV, CHP) to run any program because these agencies are truly incompetent and inefficient. Who pays for all this, we do.
There many e bikes that are dangerous to any body .with the one second delay in power surge as with the himingway cruiser. Any not to say the weight of the bike .
There are parents that would give a kid anything they want without using any sense in what the kid is able to handle our operate properly. License no but age limits .maby
What’s wrong with the CHP ? They have to some of the best cops on the country.
...and when I hear freedom, I smell a trump supporter
@@stevenreyes3680 The CHP are some of the elite no doubt. But you don’t want to have them, a valuable resource, waste time on eBike policing. They have much more important issues. BTW I am definitely NOT a supporter of TFG very opposite of that!
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You don’t see bikes on the freeway, not usually. And you don’t see LAPD on the freeway...I don’t see where the CHP would have anything to do with e-bikes. I’m in Portland anyway for 40 years now. I don’t even see cars getting pulled over here.
Anyhow, I geared my BBSHD monster to 30mph-ish with a fresh charge on flat ground. So it basically conforms to the 28mph speed limit for e-bikes. General rule of thumb, o eye all (traffic) laws and you’ll be fine. Unless you run into a real prick...
@@stevenreyes3680 Agreed Steven! Sounds like you have an awesome ebike. I have the Magicycle Cruiser Pro and love going 28 mph on level paved ground. Yeah my point was about administrative deficiencies with state agencies. Have fun in Portland 😂👍🏻
As a person with a disability who cant get a license.. my ebike is the only way i can get from my home to work everyday, or run errands when i need to.. not everyone CAN GET a license and things like uber or lyft are way too expensive to take every day, so i totally agree with you we need to stop this before it starts
I'm with you on that. Over a decade ago I had my DL medically suspended. Within the state I can't legally use an electric scooter as they require a DL. The only thing I have left, happily, is my e-bike that gets me around locally, and is part of my multimodal commute when I combine bus and metrorail usage (thanks to my bike locker at the nearest metro station to home).
You can still get a sit down scooters this only applies to ebike. But a standing e scooter will be better if you dont want to be pulled over. Remember it's still limited to 20mph. Unless they will apply this to bikes, scooters, unicycle, skateboards, rollerblades.
Anything that represents freedom must be restricted. Freedom leads to happiness and who knows what that would lead to.
This is why you can't have a bicycle in North Korea - they offer too much freedom.
GOVT/POLITICANS looking for EASY money/lookin to get in your back pocket .../smells of demorats
@GnosticPaul you make yourself Small. I have not had a licence, registration, or tags in a decade. Suck it easy small guy.
I am a little late to the ebike party. I bought my first ebike in July 2023 (a Heybike Mars). I am 68 years old and a native Californian. I have not ridden a bike for over 40 years and having a blast riding with my dog in her cargo basket here in the Central California Sierra Mountains.
I think you answered your own question about why the California DMV might require an E-bike license in the future? Seems to me that California DMV wants to regulate the extreme speed and driving abuses that are occurring and standardize (control) the ebike manufacturing and general marketing of them. Look at "California's Ebike Incentive Rebate Program" requiring market regulations and testing. Is that program ever going to begin? Maybe 2024?
Thanks for all the videos I have learned a lot from you. You have been very helpful and I hope you are feeling healthier. I have had my share of confusing health issues as well.😃👍🙏
You're not late. I'm over 65, and I got my first ebike at 64. I wrecked my first one, so I bought a new one a few months ago. I live in a small town in Arizona, where only a few people ride them. I love my ebike.
In New Brunswick Canada, you have to get it licensed but if it goes faster than 32km you cant get it licensed
Another reason Canada is going off the deep end, besides your WEF groomed Prime Minister. So Sad, time for you to try to take back your country, just like in the US. Need to stop being sheep!
Do they check the speed? 😅
@mr.monitor. I live in Manitoba, speed limit is 32km here but don't have to license it as mine can go 59km and the cops here have given me a thumbs up lol
The problem are those California parents giving their kids Surrons. Then those kids are riding them (and doing stunts) in the streets. There is a whole subculture of this out in CA. Surrons are electric dirt bikes not e-bikes, but proponents of those powerful rides claim they're e-bikes so they can get around the motorcycle license issue.
that surron trend or whatever is stupid and yeah basically i guess ruining it all for the rest of us. i mean i dont have an ebike, i was wanting one just for basic transportation if i need it but honestly since this i may as well get a electric scooter instead
They are not electric dirt bikes. No surron can keep up with a Yamaha yzf 250. They can't even hit big jumps. Surron is nothing more than a powerful electric bicycle with no foot pedals.
@@kenshinhimura9387 it's a dirt bike, and yes they do jumps. They are freakishly modifiable. By no definition is it a bike, scooter or moped maybe, but the motor output puts it squarely in the category of motorcycle.
Exactly, they should just crack down on high powered "e-bikes" like Surrons and Talarias. Train cops to be able to identify these types of bikes and check for license and registration. Certainly they should not be allowed to be ridden by minors on public roads. there's some people that use these on bike lanes and sidewalks, but they often don't get fined.
They can't even enforce current laws regarding street takeovers for dangerous driving stunts, not to mention the open shoplifting costing citizens millions of dollars and stores closing by the hundreds and yet they're gonna enforce some new e bike laws? You gotta be kidding me.
Those 80 Lb e-bikes doing 28 miles an hour on multi use paths should have insurance .
Yes they should be held to the same standard as every other motor vehicle
Thank you on wanting to change the throttle issue on the e-bike classes. I have a 750w Class 3, but it was installed with a throttle (in which I use). Personally, it's a non-issue that only complicates matters as i maintain appropriate speeds pending where I'm at, and maxing at 28mph as allowed.
As long as accidents continue to increase because of daredevil kids also adults with no helmets doing 25+ mph on sidewalks ,it's going to happen motorists that are increasing pressure on politicians to pass more laws , mopeds & motorized bicycles with pedals that go 30mph are now required to be have a one time registration fee ,license plate have at least a M2 license and wear helmets, so I see your point but as long as there are more and more knuckleheads out there they will ruin it for us responsible riders.
California: Let’s go green!
Also California: Not before we can profit
If this pass and other states begin to do the same, it can effect many of those while has some type of handicaps that the only fastest way to get to work or store is on a bike or e-bike will take away the privilege to do so forcing them to walk everywhere and depending on where they are can be more dangerous. I hope licensing does not pass.
Don’t hope… call your senators office and have tell them you want a NO vote on e-bike licenses. Have your friends call, tell everyone
Only other horrific liberal states will follow suit. If you want freedom, move to a red state............period.
Right food delivery people would be out of the job its the region why there using a bike in the first place... if it happened no more jimmy jons delivery yikes. and a lot of time people dont have time to go out to so this is bad
I think they are only licensing e-bikes not bicycles.
I no longer live in Califirnia so I can't speak to California laws, but here in Wisconsin, children 14-16 who want to drive a powered watercraft must complete a boating safety class, and they are issued a license to operate. It sounds like this bill is trying to create a similar program for a bike that is powered by something other than a human. This may be a "closing the barn door after the horse has gotten out" situation due to the vast numbers of ebikes already out there, but I can see a useful purpose for having a training program for children who otherwise may not have some of the mental understanding of the rules that most get in driver's education and training courses before being issued a license to drive a car or motorcycle.
🎉 35 mph!! This should be the regulated speed not the current slow rate.
Why? 35 is the speed on Many city streets.. and isn't really that dangerous..
And ...
i don't want a law but you said it yourself: "you just HAVE TO teach your kids". Unfortunately, laws aren't made for the people who follow common sense/curtesy. If there is a loop hole/opening it will be exploited. I have been riding my ebike(always pedaling) for years and go out of my way to not make others around me uncomfortable. While many( I would say most THIS year) ebike riders seem to show off/ fly by others at 25+ mph on crowded bike paths.
I can sprint at 25 miles per hour. It's not that fast.
@@kenshinhimura9387 Thanks for contributing? The average bicyclist rides between 11-13 mph based on varied terrain. Public bike paths are not for racing. According to google: The world's best cyclist in the tour de france average barely 25mph. I love my ebike and its the best thing I have ever bought/built in the last decade. My feelings arent hurt by regulation for the safety of all.
The training is about learning the rules of the road. People with licenses are supposed to know them. I can't say I agree but I think we should teach bicycle safety in school during PE or something like that.
What's PE?!? Kids today don't even know what that is!
"The training is about learning the rules of the road."
If that was the case, then the bill would also be legislating that regular bike users to be licensed to use roadways.
We used to have a nationwide program that promoted schools teaching bike safety. Somewhere along the line, that died. We need to bring it back. Ten- to twelve-year-olds can handle some basic Rules of the Road courses in school, but ultimately parents should be .... *GASP* parenting their child. What I wild notion. If they don't ticket the parents.
But only for ebikes?
I met the politician that wrote this bill. She is based out of Encinitas.
The motivation is because locally there have been ebike fatalities. However, from my personal perspective, the blame is on drivers rather than cyclists. As a pedestrian I am nearly struck by vehicles probably once a month that ignore crosswalk signals and human beings because they're either not paying attention, have vision/reflex problems, or simply do not care that they could potentially take another human's life. If licensing worked then I wouldn't have to worry about being struck by vehicles when the crosswalk tells pedestrians to cross. I've felt safer walking in Seattle, Baltimore, and New York City than the suburban California town I currently live in.
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A 12-year-old can't enter into a legal contract, also I don't think the government of California will change the age of a minor to 12, rendering insurance irrelevant. If the rider is 12 and causes an accident, you cannot file a court case and expect to receive payment since the government knowingly allowed the minor to have the license.
when I ride my bike with people who don't normally bicycle, I'm constantly telling them how to ride so they don't get killed and so people know what they're going to do. there's a biking etiquette to know so that everyone is predictable. I know what it's like to see people who don't ride regularly. One time we were in a pack of 10 or so bikes. 2/3 of us made it through a light. The other 1/3 were supposed to stop. We stopped because we were going to wait for the other bikes that didn't make it. Well, one girl who barely rides a bike decided she wanted to keep up with her boyfriend so she ran the red and didn't realize that she can't go as fast as when she's driving a car through a yellow/red. Two cars almost hit her. We spent the next half hour trying to calm her down before we got going again. Of course you can't control what the other side does, but you can control what you and your friends do. I have been hit 3 times by cars (2 times I was riding on the road on a traditional bike, going maybe 17 miles an hour when the driver didn't check their mirrors and opened the door in front of me, giving me no time to stop; and 1 time where the driver tried to make a right at an intersection even though I was in front of him and moving with the flow of traffic forward). but that doesn't mean that bicyclists shouldn't be educated on rules of how to ride and share the roads.
@@onlysublime Bicyclists should absolutely learn how to ride a bike safely. You'd assume the lycra clad folks that spend thousands on the hobby would be well behaved and not put themselves and others in danger. Unfortunately I see them behaving more poorly than ebike riders with exception to some teenagers.
In any case, the answer is for cyclists and drivers to be educated. That is a responsibility that falls on parents and individuals, not the government.
Then make that county have a license 🪪 not the rest of the state!
Good to see you making more videos and sharing your knowledge.
Supreme court has decided dozens of times that licencing for travel is unconstitutional. Why stop at bycycle liscences? What accident does a liscence stop?
What about cars?
Exactly!
@@MZRFaith what licence stops car accidents? If a licence qualifies you to drive, why do people still wreck? The supreme court cases were about traveling in your private conveyance or car on public roads you already pay for.
@@sterlingwelch4528 the worst drivers are the ones that didn't get any training or license. I've met Vietnamese drivers who came over from Vietnam and didn't know the right of way ruleshere.
There has NEVER been a SCOTUS case that ruled the requirement of licensing and insurance to drive a vehicle on a public roadway is unconstitutional. You must be one of those Sovereign Citizen nut bags.
It's bad parenting. I live on the beach of OC here in So CA. Every day I ride I see minors doubled even tripled up on one bike with no helmet and often texting on a phone. Then I see Surons with kids on wheelies in high-traffic areas often with no helmets or proper helmet. I see future dead people. These are Indulgent parents that give their kids $1000 iphones and multiple thousand-dollar ebikes going faster and faster lacking bike skills and situational awareness. So now the nanny State of California is here to rescue us and to be daddy and get another tax out of this. Who is going to enforce this? I rode up the Santa Anna River to from NPB to Riverside and there are thousands of homeless and stolen bikes. It's almost unrideable. There are a lot of nice trails where the City has ruled no Ebikes but only Karens enforce by yelling @ the kids and the entitled kids are laughing @ the laws rules and adults. I see bike lanes where people and children triple up and make it difficult to pass. Not long ago I was in a bike lane and a teen next to me crashed into his buddy I bunny-hopped his bike but he was being an idiot but I used to be a pro ridder 50 years ago and old guys like me don't heal well. With more e-bikes and faster e-bike tech, this problem is getting more acute by the year.
In the UK the law is that the bike must have a 250w motor which goes at 15.5 MPH ..This has become a grey area because a big percentage of people buy e-bikes with 750w motors that have been restricted to 15.5 MPH By the companies ,but of course there is a way that you can de-restrict these motors which will do 28 MPH ! ,so what some people have done is make it so you can switch between the two speeds ! What they don't take into account is the speeds of 15.5MPH & 28MPH are based on throttle only ! Even if you ask the Police about e-bikes they don't even understand what the law is ha! Even funnier in some parts of the UK the Police are now using e-bikes .In my view 15.5MPH is way to slow because most speed limits in the UK are 20MPH or 30MPH ! My view is they should up the speed of e-bikes to 20 MPH !
I want to get some place today not tomorrow, plus 20 mph is slow. The people that need the classes are the people driving cars. I'm talking from getting into and accident and getting a broken femur. It all happened in a bike lane from a car that didn't follow the rules. I don't like driving people in cars think they own the road. If we are going to save the planet, gas has got to go, any way shape or form.
I get your kids can handle Ebikes, But you are out there with them, I'll bet. But I see these freaking 6-8 kids all over the road going well over 25, (some look like they're close to 50mph). They've caused at least four accidents.
pretty soon they will want to tax how many steps you take in your walking shoes haha.
I concur, this is obsurd. There are more important and recurring issues the authorities should focus on. One of which you mentioned is atvs being riden on the streets, yet a bicycle is the focus for them, ridiculous. I hope it is fought vigorously and shot down because again there are more important issues floor these officials to address that to pick on the ebike community.
Well, it is Commiefornia; it was only a matter of time. Leaving that horrid state was the best decision of my life. What a dumpster fire.
I'll bet dollars to donuts that my truck registration will be less than Commiefornia's E-bike registration fee. Any takers?
CZcams has lots of videos of 60 mph California “ebike“ gangs, racing through the cities and breaking every traffic law. These are organized events that they call “group rides”. All unregistered vehicles… Probably related.
This ^^
Yep. It's going to be the same as it was with RC Aircraft (drones). 99% of the people doing it ride responsibly, but a few idiots with youtube channels will ultimately bring the whole community down. If baseball bats were a new technology, there would no doubt be idiots posting videos knocking balls through windows and Karen's using these videos as ammunition in court to get baseball bats banned. Its the world we live in.
You know I bet you it's going to come out that some whiny regular bike riders got together to come up with this idea because they're tired of us being on "their" trails. It's going to be a bunch of weekend warrior doctors and dentists who buy all the best gear and bikes but have no clue what being a cyclist really stands for.
I got my ebike because I CAN'T get a drivers lic. due to eye problems so I can get around. I live in San Francsico where tons of people are buying/using ebike to get around.
Confiscate & Crush all SurRons, Talarias and E-dirtbikes ridden on public roads.
Just Make the On-Road/Off-Road line CLEAR & SEVERE‼️
Off-Road riding no problem.
Here in BC Canada, you must be a minimum 16 years old to ride an e bike, I agree with you, parents should be allowed to say when their children can ride e bikes. If they make e bike owners needing to insure them and/or have some sort of license, then this should apply to all riders on public roads, regular bikes or electric bikes including electric scooters.
Yep, make it hurt everyone, then the voters revolt. Good idea.
Lmfao 16 for an e bike? That's a joke. You can drive a car at 14 in the USA with an adult 21 or older in the car with you. At 16 you get your driver's license and can drive wherever you want by yourself.
@@kenshinhimura9387 Yes, I think it's stupid too. Just last week my son and I saw a family riding e bikes together and the kids couldn't have been more than 13-14 yrs old. I thought it was kool.
@kenshinhimura9387 it's not 14 in most of the usa.
@@mr.monitor. I didn't think so too. I thought it was 16.
I can see having some kind of insurance in case you get hurt or you hurt somebody else similar to a card but I don't see you needing a license to drive a bicycle
I could understand restricting under 12 to residential roads without a parent present. Or something that would keep children of major traffic roads.
this is being pushed by insurance companies. this will cost californians a ton and the state will also lose money implementing (thus costing the tax payers even more)
I concur w/everything you said, Kyle. This bill is far overreaching in their supposed safety goals, and obvious (to some of us) that this is merely another means to generate revenue. 💰
On Next Door, I’ve read posts of accounts where sub-16 yr olds were racing thru parking lots, weaving in & out dangerously in front of cars. There are inconsiderate & irresponsible people of ALL ages, and it’s the behavior of these specific individuals that should be penalized to de-incentivize them to behave this way, and NOBODY else.
This is not something that taxpayers should be burdened with. It IS a real issue, as I’ve read about them, but an e-bike license is NOT the answer.
There needs to be better legislation. The wording literally everywhere in the world is terrible. The legislation needs to be worded in a way that takes into account the nuances of using electric power. For example, in the UK there are anecdotes of ebikes being impounded because the motor has markings indicating that the motor exceeds 250W. This is ignorance at the extreme and government-sanctioned theft. You can very easily have a motor that exceeds 250W and yet is in compliance through speed limiters and power output limiters. Now, don't come slide into the comments with "It is still illegal. UK/EU motors are only 250W" because they aren't and simple physics can verify that. They're well over 250W, marketed as 250W. This is just one example.
The problem is ebike tech and batteries are changing so fast that they will get up to 100 mile range and 60 miles per hour for the average buyer...
At that point you encroach on the motorcycle world... There has to be some demarcation point .. Where we say hey this is not a bike but a motorized equivalent.. Same as they do with certain sized cc gas powered mopeds and such..
Keep this true for the lower end units as bikes but hey if your on a bike and can go seventy or eighty then you should have rules to follow..because you can be a real danger..
this is in response to these jerkoffs with 50 mph e-cycles and scooters ruining it for responsible e-bike riders
In the '70's and '80's there were these classes of vehicles in NB, Canada. It makes sense that there should be reasonable facsimiles on the electric side...
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This is going to be an ongoing fight as ebikes get more popular. We they have the freedoms given to someone who is walking or the lack of freedoms that someone driving has.
With you 100% it’s ridiculous, they just can’t get enough of our money. What’s next baby strollers! 😂
Email your congressman, no licences for ebikes
I think the problem is there are some areas that have kids out of control you actually posted a video of them on here a little while back lol but down here in Orange County there are a couple groups of kids that are in groups of more than 50 people and they fixing up there bike to go extremely fast and they are driving in the streets and not stopping at red lights
It is unconstitutional to charge to use your constitution rights < You do have the right to travel and it cost nothing < I will fight for my constitutional rights
You cannot keep engineering for common sense. You can still have a valid driver's license, passed the stupid test, pay your fees, and still wind up a fatality by a distracted driver on the phone.
Boulder city Nevada is already enforcing city policy and ticketing and impound of electric bikes not law policy
I own several e-bikes. Would I have to register each of them? Personally, I think the law should crack down on those who speed, not fret about bike classifications or add new layers of bureaucracy.
Next they'll want to require seat belts for golf carts
sounds like data collecting and a cash grab to me
Lawers, lawyers, liers!
Collecting money from children 😅
I have two motorcycles and four bikes. I’ve seen videos of kids on ebikes in cities that ride recklessly and think they are cute. How should that immaturity be punished?
That's already illegal. Cracking down on the behavior would put a stop to it.
Totally agree with ya. I would like to add my opinion added alongside yours....
Make all classes throttle capable. Bump class 2 to 25mph, still trail way leagal. Class 3 limit at 35mph. This would mean that those would be able to keep up with traffic in the residential thoroughfares and within 10mph on main thoroughfares.
If they were to set the moped class to those that can do 38 to 55mph, that would cover the bulk of those with that type of power.
Quite frankly, I believe we need to have speed limits/restrictions rather than motor restrictions. Meaning... what difference does it make if it were a 750w or 1000w motor if it is locked to a max of 25mph? The 1000w motor will give you more torque if you have hills to climb.
I believe the main problem with those who are making these laws don't even use the equipment or understand how they work.
Thank you for your hard work and for sharing with us.
I personally feel that bumping up the maximum speeds on all three classes of e-bikes would be unwise. To start with, riding faster does not guarantee a quicker and/or safer trip. On the contrary, many caged motorists (cars, trucks, SUVs, ect.) tend to speed up whenever they see a cyclist pacing or outpacing them. This type of scenario could create potential roadway conflicts leading to interrupted riding. Let's not forget what I like to call 'The Wave Theory' (not the real 'Wave Theory' on light waves) where the masses start attacking a portion of the population who engage in 'popular' activities. In my experiences and readings, popularity and speed are two elements which grab people's attention. E-bikes are both of those elements. Now more people are attacking e-bikes because they're both popular and faster. Increasing the maximum speeds on these devices will just piss more people off, which will then serve as a cataylist for more government and civil overreach.
South Australia ebikes are limited to 250w no throttle only peddle activated. However all bike retailers including the large retailers sell 1500 or higher, with throttle, so illegal bikes are everywhere as are unregistered pit bikes. This is a concern when pedestrians, babies in prams, dog walkers, elderly need to share the same path. Our police can charge you as unregistered vehicle or any other breach of road rules. If you have a car license it will be deducted points for the offence, if do not have a licence that would be an additional fine and affect your opportunity to obtain a driving licence in the future. However this does not stop or slow the illegal bikes as police don't make a priority. PS ebikes are great in responsible hands.
This is absolutely ridiculous! I agree with you 100%
California taxing and laws are always about the money, and control.
It’s all exactly what your saying the question “cui bono”, who benefits???
THE STATE is the answer it gets more people into the system or the Matrix and the control of the police and the courts system!!!
You nailed it!!!!
I have a e- moped style bike. I disagree with your comments about them. Because a safe speed exists and speed limits should apply. No need to single them out. Ride safe and do the speed limits. I ride 10-15 MPH on trails pedaling, 25-30 MPH with traffic in a bike lane. I try to use back roads. I hate being next to cars.
Chester Police in the uk
There have been a lot of comments regarding E-Bikes and particularly the homemade or adapted bicycles fitted with batteries and motors sourced off the internet.
E-Bikes or EAPC are built specifically as such with motors and batteries tested and conforming to legislation and safety testing. The kits bought off the internet will not conform to the legislation and therefore are not EAPC's. When a bicycle is fitted with one of these kits they become a moped and require MoT, TAX and most importantly INSURANCE. it is not possible to get insurance for these bikes so if used on the road will be subject to siezure under section 165a of the Road Traffic Act.
Below is a basic guide to EAPC's. We strongly recommend that you do your homework prior to buying or fitting these kits off the internet.
Key points
E-bikes that meet the current EAPC regulations, minus a few exceptions, are treated as normal bicycles. The basic requirements are:
the cycle must be fitted with pedals that can propel it;
the electric motor must not exceed a maximum continuous rated power of 250W; and
the electric motor must not offer electrical assistance beyond a speed 15.5mph.
Any other e-bikes that do not meet the EAPC regulations are subject to type approval and any associated registration, tax and licencing
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When I got my first e-bike I was asked if I was going to ride on BLM land, and found out that the fed classified anything over 750watts is considered a vehicle, so I got the 750 watt that is considered a bike so I can ride on public lands. This law sounds like a way to put more money in the state’s pockets, Minnesota has adopted the federal standards for state trails
Wtf is BLM land?
I’ll be moving out of Minnesota if they implement a license to ride a bicycle 😅
I've talked to a few cops in Minnesota and they all said they don't care about that stuff as long as you're riding responsible. My bike has gone 35 and 1 cop said he wants to upgrade his motor to go faster than 28.
@@MNMetalMachine that’s cool the cops aren’t worried, but I’m keeping an eye out for the lawmakers.
@@MNMetalMachine that’s good, I may upgrade to a 1000watt unlocked
Bike safety IS a matter of education. I am all for requiring e-bike safety classroom study, similar to what I had to go through to obtain a hunting license in my state. Let these kids see how devastating brain injury can be. Bring in volunteers suffering from slurred speech and motor deficiencies as the result of crashes. Scare the living bejeezus out of the wannabe daredevils. E-bike manufacturers and retailers must demand the certificate before completing a purchase. No licenses, just a certificate of completion.
This is what happens when you make electric bikes that go 50 mph and you have CZcamsrs. Driving in the road doong 45 and showing it off to the world. Shouldn't have ever made an e bike faster then 20 mph my opinion
Against this in principle. That being said, Police don't care about any of this here in LA. Maybe some nicer neighborhoods with well-to-do cops and less people will give you trouble but it reality it really won't make a difference. Go spend an afternoon on the Santa Monica/Venice bike path; see all the contraptions people bring to the trail. The amount of people in CA driving without insurance is estimated to be north of 30%. Motorcyclist without licenses is estimated to be north of 50%. I've been riding my Cake Osa+ without a plate or motorcycle license for about 5 months (it's essentially my car-type vehicle) and no cop has ever said anything. All of this is to say that Californians always find a way to get around things because they know that it's a numbers game. IF you get busted, you still end up paying multiple times less than if you went through the cumbersome, expensive processes set in place.
Its simple really they want accountability if you want to be a road user you should have a plate or somthing showing who you are.
We see it often ebikers crahsing into people and running
Yes loss of freedom and communism should do the trick! Why is restriction your go too? You a commie?
Great review I bought my Ebikes for work n ride around a little
Any regulation that is enforced by bureaucrats with a badge can eventually be an inadvertent death sentence in that enforcement. .. But, like this commentator suggests, a bright line between bicycles and mopeds needs to be drawn.
This law would benefit me. I don't have a driver's license. No, I didn't lose it due to DUI's, I just never got it because I never trusted myself behind the wheel. As it stands, the only way for me to legally put a motor on my bike to get up hills, is to take a driver's test in a car I would never drive again. I could finally get a job that's further than 5 miles away. I can finally use pedal assist after popping a lung on a hill last year. that would be nice.
Go-karts, dirtbikes, 4 wheelers, scooters, etc. are usually limited to 1 knuckle head family with kids that rides around the neighborhood for a couple of summers. Ebikes are being sold to the masses now and people are just as dumb on ebikes as they are in automobiles. School zone speed limit is only 20 mph. and every so-called e-anything has some shady software that allows it to go way faster than 20 mph with a DIY settings change. The technology of today means that every vehicle with any kind of motor needs to be licensed and insured to hold the morons on the roads and walking trails accountable and keep careless minors from operating them. A five year old knows how to ride a motorcycle responsibly🙄
I agree with you totally. And with 1 though 3 class ebikes. And I think the same with two wheels that go as fast as super souped up mope pad.
The bill doesn't suggest prohibiting a 12 year old from riding ebikes. It suggests prohibiting an 11 year old and younger from riding ebikes. A bike that will go 20 to 28 mph at any time (not just downhill) if ridden in the streets will likely test a youngster's judgement beyond his/her capability. Most states require that a person w/ a driver license have an additional endorsement to ride a motorcycle. That is because there are different considerations for riding two wheeled vehicles on streets. If you drive around Tucson, you will see several "WHITE BICYCLE" monuments to riders lost to careless driving from a car driver or SOMETIMES from the cyclist. It seems reasonable that if a child is going to ride on the streets and roads that they should be required to demonstrate a knowledge of traffic rules and safety considerations. There was a recent NY Times article about the seemingly high accident rate w/ teens and e-bikes. Anyone who thinks, "My kid is more capable and wiser than other kids."... will likely suffer a severe disappointment someday. Dirt bikes are different from street bikes, or e-bikes. They are seldom hit by cars or trucks. Seek a balance in the discussion just as we seek a balance on our two-wheeled transports. (FYI - I am an Arizona e-bike owner) www.nytimes.com/2023/07/29/health/ebikes-safety-teens.html
Too late. It passed. CA Vehicle Code 21235 (D) if the bike has any kind of power, other than feet, the operator has to be licensed or have a drivers permit. Same as a motorcycle. Although e-scooters can drive on road that have posted speed limits of 25 mph, they are only allowed to go a maximum of 15mph. (CA Vehicle Code 21235 (B)).
This is for SCOOTERs not ebike.
The operator of a motorized scooter shall not do any of the following:(d) Operate a motorized scooter without a valid driver's license or instruction permit.
@@lawaynesplace thanks.
We better be able to get a bike that could go up to 200 miles then per hour cause that’s what a license for you could go faster than you could without one so we better get faster bikes
In the UK you have to be over 14 to buy and ride an electric bike
This idea is insane, even for California.
How many mopeds are still in existence? SCOOTERS--with no pedals--are not mopeds. 30mph on power only should be the point at which full street-legality (lights, signals, horn, license) should be required.
Just did a group ride with a 9y,10y, 12y and my daughter (18y). I taught them all how to ride safely. The two yougest were on bikes that do 15mph max,and the older ones on 20-22mph. The older ones kept darting ahead of the group, wanting to go max speed smh.. But everong had fun. I agree with maybe limiting speed for 8y -12y and requiring helmets but a license sounds ridiculous.
Responsible riding and sharing the road/path and building the infrastructure separate bike and walking lanes- . - no licence needed if jerks dont ride 35+ mph (or faster) on walking trails or sidewalks. if you hit a person on a bike going any speed its not going to end well bikes need the xtra watts to get out of the way of cars and climb hills.
I believe it's for over 1000w in ca
There has to be a way to punish people acting a fool on high powered E Bikes. Cop has to write a ticket or hand out warning to someone. These people need a name and address. Photo ID is the best way to get the fine out and keep track of the kids acting like fools. Class you take makes sure you know safe use and rules. Therefore there is no way to say "oh I never knew that law".. Etc.. Mopeds here in Michigan have age law and registration stickers. One time deal. There has to be some way to distinguish who gets to go into real bicycle territory .. Parks and pedestrian areas ..class one, two & 3... And what can not go on some trails. Class 2 in some cases, class 3 and higher. And would I let my kid under 12 ride around on an Ariel Rider Grizzly ? Hell No! But some clueless parents with more money than brains probably have already bought their kids a Grizzly.
QUESTION KYLE , WHAT'S THE BEST GREESE TO LUBE MY 1000WATT HUB MOTOR'S PLANATARY GEARS
I'm all for people who are gonna ride electric bikes on the road go thru a 10-15 minute online website course that shows do's and don'ts and you agree and approve you understand the rules of the road when riding an ebike. Doesn't need to be a license but maybe a digital wallet type of thing so if you do get pulled over for breaking the law or an accident it has your info on this website / digital wallet to see who you are if you dont own any form of ID and it goes on your ebike record. But realistically it's not gonna stop anybody from just riding even if you have a bad record of breaking the law on your say "ebike license" its still hard to catch people and around my area no cops even care about us on bikes like they do say in "new york" But there needs to be a way of making sure people do understand the rules of the road before getting on them.
I am totally against anything restricting my decision to ride and have fun with my ebike. People are right about California being overreaching on practically everything. Regulating ,licensing and taxing will ONLY benefit the Government.
i think that you need to differentiate , the types of vehicles we're talkin about ...when a suron x and an onyx rcr fall in the same category as those pedal bikes with a motor on them
i DONT think that most people aren't worried about a 10 speed with 750w motor there worried about a 13 year old racing down the street , wheelie-ing on a SUR RON down the middle of the street
people need to stop using a blanket term of "e-bike " for an entire series of vehicles that are VERY different animals
i think sur rons and onyx's need to either be class as a class - 4 , OR a motorcycle license . i'm cool with that BUT i'm not cool with them falling into the same category as any old mountain bike with a pedal assist
It's all about the money
When it comes to having kids get IDs, I'm sure there's probably some federal law against it. State law does not trump federal law. So challenge it in court i guess.
Shit I thought the the 3mph in the UK was stupid, but that would take the biscuit. And it would be very hard to implement it in my opinion. Hope this is not implemented.
The U.S. Constitution does not specifically address the use of e-bikes, but one could make a case based on several constitutional principles. Here's a potential statement:
"The restriction of e-bikes by authorities can be considered unconstitutional if it infringes upon the rights of citizens without a compelling state interest. The right to travel freely is an implicit liberty protected by the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the U.S. Constitution. While this right primarily protects interstate travel, it has been extended to intrastate travel as well. If e-bikes are being used as a primary mode of transportation, especially for those who cannot afford or operate other forms of transportation, limiting their use could potentially infringe upon this right.
Furthermore, if e-bikes are being used for pleasure, restrictions could potentially infringe upon the right to leisure, which is recognized by the United Nations (but not explicitly in the U.S. Constitution) as a fundamental human right. Arbitrary restrictions that do not serve a compelling state interest or are not narrowly tailored to achieve that interest could potentially be seen as a violation of the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the 14th Amendment.
People thought the state was concerned about the environment!!! They don’t car they live the way they want cause they tell you ! Keep thinking that and tell yourself again the government is out to keep your free.
Yet the electric scooter rental programs don't need a scooter license? 🤔
On the surface I see so many youth riding on the sidewalks. If they ride on the road with cars. I Cary an air horn for driveways. I make sure they see me before I cross a cars path.
Also riding at knight is very dangerous. For safety, All riders at night need front & rear turn signals. Taking your hands off the handle bars to signal at twilight to signal. Pot holes and narrow or non existing bike lanes.
For safety I’m in. But of course the government will abuse this. Then if you get a ticket on your E-bike, will it take away your safe driving discounts on your auto insurance?
I see your point of view?
Don't be a crash test dummy. The more ebike involved accidents occur, more regulations will result. Humans are fairly self destructive.
A license is a hazard to privacy. Police will demand to see the license and add you to their many databases.
So if your riding your ebike with the power off, do you still get a ticket?
Good question! Makes me think about installing a switch to cut power. 🤔
There should be licenses for electric bikes and bicycles. Good thing because many adults cannot ride a bicycle properly using road hand signs. If adults cannot ride properly a good thing that children under 12 not allowed to ride.
If you are interested in protecting the environment you should be promoting electric bikes not hindering them. I think requiring a license and insurance would be a deterrent to using an electric bike.
Not for class 1 pedal bikes, but yes for class 2 and 3.
Why do kids under 17 need an ebike, that can go 20 mph?
Here in Michigan we got golf carts all over the streets with kids piled in them standing up on them no license or even a orv permit I do believe that 1000 watt or bigger need to be classified as moped class my e bike is 28 miles an hour But if I do only get 18 miles so I average 12-14 mph and they are safer than walking Look at Biden !
I believe the bikes should also be registered that would longer the theft rate as you can't register a stolen bike. License for rider gives them a way to ticket the reckless who speed and do all sorts of stupid stuff.
They can ticket people with out a license too. You everyone who gets a ticket while driving has a DL?
10 year olds on e-bikes have terrible parents .
It’s all about mining additional revenue .
Man if insurance wants to fix my cheap 1600 dollar Chinese ebike when i wreak it or they replace it altogether might be cool but i really dont see them doing this half these ebike companies go out of business in 3 years it seems dont think it will happen
eBikes should be defined as 1000watts or less. And those with bigger motors are electric motorcycles. eBikes class I, II, and III should not need restrictions.
How about freedom and no restrictions? Commies and crybabies would hate that!!
@@sterlingwelch4528so you think actions like those on Suronsters channel should be legal? Gangs of 50 or more kids on Surons going 35-45 running red lights, riding wheelies in the middle of the road, disobeying every traffic law we have should be allowed?
@@raytschudy8643 allowed? How can you stop it? The cops can't.
I know this comment will be unwelcome here... but I love the channel.
As both a cyclist and a driver, I only see this as a good thing. The main downside I see of this is the age aspect for children to commute.
Otherwise, if everyone knows the rules of the road, it would prevent a lot of tragedies between cars and cyclists. As a cyclist, I try my best to be seen and to be predictable in traffic.
Cyclists do sometimes behave unpredictably, lane split, ignore controlled intersections, and act as pedestrians when convenient.
As a driver, I would be devastated by injuring/killing a cyclist that put themselves in that kind of scenario.
The main problem remains that cyclists/motorists have to share the same roadways. There should be more dedicated cycle lanes where cyclists do not need to follow the "rules of the road"
If the "steak-holders comittee" is to consist of the DMV, highway patrol and cycle groups then the later will by definition always be outvoted.
If cars would slow down going through the cities, I wouldn't have to ride a 60-mph e scooter to keep up with traffic.
What's funny is the biggest danger to ebikers is vehicles...and that's a ebiker following all their laws. If you have ever been hit by a suv while on a bike you will know it's painful and scary. Nothing a bike can do when vehicles don't follow their own rules.
Enforcement is going to be the biggest issue. You need to have "probable cause" in order to stop someone. Does this mean that law enforcement could stop any young individual just because he/she was riding an e-bike? Law enforcement hardly ever stops anyone who rides a regular bike on the wrong side of the road. This new proposed law would be a waste of time for everyone.
Probably cause is all they need. The fourth amendment has been usurped by terry vs ohio.