It is shocking, as a German I am listening and it is a continuous unsettlement for being aware and to stand for these victims and live up to the injustice they suffered. The attitude is reliably changed and the commemoration of those victims will forever be alive as integral part of German culture with determination that their sacrifice will never be in vain. Today's German consciousness is unthinkable without them in mind. They will be our sisters and brothers, and ancestors of today's society. Not a single one is forgotten, forever alive. Probably, these crimes are too huge and too horrendous for the perpetrators to leave their sphere, they possibly were not able to say sorry.
I think the kind of people capable of such actions don't have a conscience in the first place, a person without a conscience can not show regret or guilt.
@@GeiserichtheVandal Hello. To better understand this kind of intelligent human being you must be able to consider that they have a conscience. For them certain groups of people are nothing more than pests. And they will follow orders to destroy the pests having not more emotions for these unfortunate fellow humans than you would have for cockroaches running through your kitchen table. You would (probably) consider these as threatening infection carriers. And spray them with poison gas. The obvious problem here is that in the mind of these accused Mass murderers the scale is different from yours because you will never consider humans as low ranking as cock roaches. Ohlendorf was hinting to this psychological situation when he told the judge that a crew of an american bomber dropping a nuclear bomb on unsuspecting civilians were doing the same "job". We know that these crews had no blood on their hands and that their conscience was never questioned. They partied after the successful mission. Please consider my reply to you as a genuine attempt to add something to the knowledge about Ohlendorf and the way he wished to be perceived. The Atomic Bomb argument really figures in his replies. But not in the video sequences online.
@@NickVenture1 Well regarding the bombing of innocent men, women and children in German cities, I do kind of agree with Ohlendorf, that was also a crime against humanity and a war crime, which was never punished. War should be between soldiers on the battlefield. I would have refused to be a pilot on such a mission. There is not really any difference between killing innocents close up or far away, the result is the same and the crime is the same. Morally killing civilians in war is wrong, no matter if you are killing them for ethnic reasons or simply because they are the enemy [without any ethnic hatred - although a lot of British etc. did ethnically hate the Germans at that point, so it may have played a factor] like was the case with the Allies.
Hearing the lack of remorse tells me, they were completely devoid of any redeeming qualities. Would I condemn them to death? No. That is not for me to decide. Revenge belongs to the Lord, no one else. Would I allow him to know any news of his family? No. He killed innocent people, why should he ever be considered any privilege after he refused to give anyone else their very lives. Esten Hozott Mr. Ference.
The thing which is so odd about Ohlendorf is that he comes across as a very pleasant person - to misquote Mr Ferencz 'when he was not killing Jews'. I recently did some research on Martin Sandberger, head of Einsatzgruppen 1a, who died in March 2010 in a retirement home in Stuttgart receiving a pension and forgotten by everyone.
Would Ohlendorf have wept for his own children? Probably. That an intelligent man could perpetrate such horrible mass-murders and have afterwards not the slightest regret, is beyond me. During the Auschwitz-trials in Germany some did say however they did what they did because they were forced to do it.
When you watch the Ohlendorf clips he s not increasing the numbers he says 90000 were reported how many of them were killed he doesnt know he thinks the numbers were exaggerated every time he wants to give his version the camera cuts away not saying he wasnt evil
It’s so easy to judge others from a distance (70+ years) - what’s going on now (2022) in China, North Korea, etc.? what are we doing now to help humanity? This is our responsibility. Not just sit back and say, “tsk, tsk” look how bad they were… what about us now?
The Bible states: "For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death." -----II Corinthians 7:10 The 1915-1917 Armenian Genocide in Turkey (Ottoman Empire) during World War 1 (1914-1918) is the precursor to modern genocide, state sanctioned mass murder, and political violence on an international scale. This was the precursor to the Holocaust, Bolshevik and Communist atrocities (including the Cheka under Lenin and the NKVD under Stalin and Beria, including Gengrich Yagoda), and Japanese war crimes and atrocities during World War II (1939-1945) and prior. The latter perpetrated in occupied Asia, the Far East including China, Korea, the Philippines, Malaysia, etc. And don't forget too Pol Pot's murderous Khmer Rouge in Cambodia's killing fields from 1975 to 1979 following the Vietnam War (1961-1975). The Bolsheviks, Communists, Empire of Japan until 1945, the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia, the Viet Cong, North Koreans, Red Chinese, etc. were all of the same murderous ilk as Nazi Germany's dreaded SS and Gestapo! So what can be done to help prevent future genocides? The proper role of government must be restored and taught to the masses. Unfortunately our socialist public schools, colleges, universities, and academia in America refuse to do so! Why? Because they are corrupted by federal money from Washington, D.C. bureaucrats. Also, the historic link between gun control/civilian disarmament must be exposed. Below are several institutions which I ardently endorse who remain not only qualified, but likewise have the moral high ground on this issue. On the Net: The John Birch Society in Appleton, Wisconsin at www.jbs.org and www.thenew american.com, respectively. JPFO, Inc. "America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization" at www.jpfo.org. The Constitution Party of America at www.constitutionpartyoregon.net Gun Owners of America at www.gunowners.org Remember America is a republic, not a democracy! It must remain so. James A. "Jim" Farmer Merrill , Oregon in Klamath County Native Southern Oregonian since November 1956. Also, Second Amendment activist, voter, Christian, and civic minded citizen.
"Former Iowa Supreme Court Justice, Nuremberg Judge, Dies June 4, 1986 DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) _ Former Iowa Supreme Court Justice Charles Frederick Wennerstrum, who presided over and sharply criticized some of the Nuremberg war crimes trials after World War II, has died of a heart attack at the age of 96. Wennerstrum, who died Sunday at his Des Moines home, was a judge in the trials of Nazi leaders in 1947 and 1948 while on leave from the Iowa Supreme Court. He blasted what he saw as prosecutors’ nationalistic and biased approaches to the trials, suggesting that some of them were more interested in furthering their own careers than in seeing that justice was done. ″The trials were to have convinced the Germans of the guilt of their leaders. They convinced the Germans merely that they lost the war to tough conquerors,″ Wennerstrum told the Chicago Tribune in 1948. Later, he said prosecutors ″failed to maintain an objectivity aloof from vindictiveness ... The high ideals announced as the motive for creating these tribunals have not been evident.″ Wennerstrum served on the Iowa Supreme Court from 1941 to 1958. He also was a U.S. district court judge for 10 years and had private law practices in Chariton and Adel. Wennerstrum was defeated in a close 1958 Iowa Supreme Court election, making him the last justice voted off the bench before the governor began making appointments to the high court in 1962. He is survived by a daughter, nine grandchildren and four great- grandchildren . A memorial service was scheduled for Wednesday in Des Moines." So maybe not 'fair trial'... apnews.com/article/7a8ef1233e68f3459364f3159b6910cb
The most memorable quote from Ben Ferencz is "War makes murderers of otherwise decent people" which makes me think of the decent people who dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Or the decent people who dropped more bombs on Vietnam than WWII killing an estimated 2 million Vietnamese. Or the decent people in Iraq War I and II who killed and estimated 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians. That Nazis were murderers for sure but why hasn't the U.S. been held accountable for all the war crimes it committed? What about other powerful countries that committed war crimes? The message seems to be "might makes right." If you are a strong country militarily you can damn well do what you please and kill indiscriminately without any consequences.
A good example of why powerful countries does not always get punished is during World war 2, when the Soviet union did war crimes but were never held accountable was because they were on the winning side. If you are on the winning side you can get away with war crimes.
I am so stupid. I, at one time, I thought this was a German cultural problem (racism, anti- semitism, hate on a grand scale). It is a human being problem. I have learned after the 2016 election it is an American problem.
Mr Ferencz is such a great man
Since I discovered this man I’ve been an admirer.
Wise and humble.
Such an amazing human being thank you Ben for everything you have done
Very tragic. Thank you for your lifetime devotion to human rights, justice, service & more still going strong. Very appreciated.
It is shocking, as a German I am listening and it is a continuous unsettlement for being aware and to stand for these victims and live up to the injustice they suffered. The attitude is reliably changed and the commemoration of those victims will forever be alive as integral part of German culture with determination that their sacrifice will never be in vain. Today's German consciousness is unthinkable without them in mind. They will be our sisters and brothers, and ancestors of today's society. Not a single one is forgotten, forever alive. Probably, these crimes are too huge and too horrendous for the perpetrators to leave their sphere, they possibly were not able to say sorry.
Much love to you, Ben.
hes such a friendly and emotional human being
Thank u for posting. God bless you.
To feel remorse and regret, they first have to accept that what they did was an act of crime ,mass murder..They never did.
I think the kind of people capable of such actions don't have a conscience in the first place, a person without a conscience can not show regret or guilt.
@@GeiserichtheVandal Hello. To better understand this kind of intelligent human being you must be able to consider that they have a conscience. For them certain groups of people are nothing more than pests. And they will follow orders to destroy the pests having not more emotions for these unfortunate fellow humans than you would have for cockroaches running through your kitchen table. You would (probably) consider these as threatening infection carriers. And spray them with poison gas. The obvious problem here is that in the mind of these accused Mass murderers the scale is different from yours because you will never consider humans as low ranking as cock roaches. Ohlendorf was hinting to this psychological situation when he told the judge that a crew of an american bomber dropping a nuclear bomb on unsuspecting civilians were doing the same "job". We know that these crews had no blood on their hands and that their conscience was never questioned. They partied after the successful mission. Please consider my reply to you as a genuine attempt to add something to the knowledge about Ohlendorf and the way he wished to be perceived. The Atomic Bomb argument really figures in his replies. But not in the video sequences online.
@@NickVenture1 Well regarding the bombing of innocent men, women and children in German cities, I do kind of agree with Ohlendorf, that was also a crime against humanity and a war crime, which was never punished. War should be between soldiers on the battlefield. I would have refused to be a pilot on such a mission. There is not really any difference between killing innocents close up or far away, the result is the same and the crime is the same. Morally killing civilians in war is wrong, no matter if you are killing them for ethnic reasons or simply because they are the enemy [without any ethnic hatred - although a lot of British etc. did ethnically hate the Germans at that point, so it may have played a factor] like was the case with the Allies.
I wish there were more film documentation covering the Einzatsgruppen trial. I wonder what Blobel had to say in his defense.
Hearing the lack of remorse tells me, they were completely devoid of any redeeming qualities. Would I condemn them to death? No. That is not for me to decide. Revenge belongs to the Lord, no one else. Would I allow him to know any news of his family? No. He killed innocent people, why should he ever be considered any privilege after he refused to give anyone else their very lives. Esten Hozott Mr. Ference.
My hero! We love you Ben
The thing which is so odd about Ohlendorf is that he comes across as a very pleasant person - to misquote Mr Ferencz 'when he was not killing Jews'. I recently did some research on Martin Sandberger, head of Einsatzgruppen 1a, who died in March 2010 in a retirement home in Stuttgart receiving a pension and forgotten by everyone.
Shocking
His country's justice...
*♾🙏🌹🕯️🕊️❤️❤️❤️BEN FERENCZ ❤️❤️❤️=❤️🇺🇲❤️🌎❤️🌍❤️🌏 **#benferencz** **#prosecutingevil**♾*
Would Ohlendorf have wept for his own children? Probably.
That an intelligent man could perpetrate such horrible mass-murders and have afterwards not the slightest regret, is beyond me.
During the Auschwitz-trials in Germany some did say however they did what they did because they were forced to do it.
When you watch the Ohlendorf clips he s not increasing the numbers he says 90000 were reported how many of them were killed he doesnt know he thinks the numbers were exaggerated every time he wants to give his version the camera cuts away not saying he wasnt evil
So you’re a Nazi sympathizer.
Human filth.
It’s so easy to judge others from a distance (70+ years) - what’s going on now (2022) in China, North Korea, etc.? what are we doing now to help humanity? This is our responsibility. Not just sit back and say, “tsk, tsk” look how bad they were… what about us now?
how come they weren't remorseful? doesn't imminent death make these people reflect and contemplate their lives?
The Bible states: "For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to
be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death." -----II Corinthians 7:10
The 1915-1917 Armenian Genocide in Turkey (Ottoman Empire) during World War
1 (1914-1918) is the precursor to modern genocide, state sanctioned mass murder,
and political violence on an international scale. This was the precursor to the Holocaust,
Bolshevik and Communist atrocities (including the Cheka under Lenin and the NKVD
under Stalin and Beria, including Gengrich Yagoda), and Japanese war crimes and
atrocities during World War II (1939-1945) and prior. The latter perpetrated in occupied
Asia, the Far East including China, Korea, the Philippines, Malaysia, etc. And don't forget
too Pol Pot's murderous Khmer Rouge in Cambodia's killing fields from 1975 to 1979
following the Vietnam War (1961-1975). The Bolsheviks, Communists, Empire of Japan
until 1945, the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia, the Viet Cong, North Koreans, Red Chinese,
etc. were all of the same murderous ilk as Nazi Germany's dreaded SS and Gestapo!
So what can be done to help prevent future genocides? The proper role of government
must be restored and taught to the masses. Unfortunately our socialist public schools,
colleges, universities, and academia in America refuse to do so! Why? Because they
are corrupted by federal money from Washington, D.C. bureaucrats. Also, the historic
link between gun control/civilian disarmament must be exposed. Below are several
institutions which I ardently endorse who remain not only qualified, but likewise have
the moral high ground on this issue. On the Net:
The John Birch Society in Appleton, Wisconsin at www.jbs.org and www.thenew
american.com, respectively.
JPFO, Inc. "America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization" at www.jpfo.org.
The Constitution Party of America at www.constitutionpartyoregon.net
Gun Owners of America at www.gunowners.org
Remember America is a republic, not a democracy! It must remain so.
James A. "Jim" Farmer
Merrill , Oregon in Klamath County
Native Southern Oregonian since November 1956.
Also, Second Amendment activist, voter, Christian, and
civic minded citizen.
Ohlendorf
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"Former Iowa Supreme Court Justice, Nuremberg Judge, Dies
June 4, 1986
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) _ Former Iowa Supreme Court Justice Charles Frederick Wennerstrum, who presided over and sharply criticized some of the Nuremberg war crimes trials after World War II, has died of a heart attack at the age of 96.
Wennerstrum, who died Sunday at his Des Moines home, was a judge in the trials of Nazi leaders in 1947 and 1948 while on leave from the Iowa Supreme Court.
He blasted what he saw as prosecutors’ nationalistic and biased approaches to the trials, suggesting that some of them were more interested in furthering their own careers than in seeing that justice was done.
″The trials were to have convinced the Germans of the guilt of their leaders. They convinced the Germans merely that they lost the war to tough conquerors,″ Wennerstrum told the Chicago Tribune in 1948.
Later, he said prosecutors ″failed to maintain an objectivity aloof from vindictiveness ... The high ideals announced as the motive for creating these tribunals have not been evident.″
Wennerstrum served on the Iowa Supreme Court from 1941 to 1958. He also was a U.S. district court judge for 10 years and had private law practices in Chariton and Adel.
Wennerstrum was defeated in a close 1958 Iowa Supreme Court election, making him the last justice voted off the bench before the governor began making appointments to the high court in 1962.
He is survived by a daughter, nine grandchildren and four great- grandchildren .
A memorial service was scheduled for Wednesday in Des Moines." So maybe not 'fair trial'... apnews.com/article/7a8ef1233e68f3459364f3159b6910cb
The most memorable quote from Ben Ferencz is "War makes murderers of otherwise decent people" which makes me think of the decent people who dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Or the decent people who dropped more bombs on Vietnam than WWII killing an estimated 2 million Vietnamese. Or the decent people in Iraq War I and II who killed and estimated 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians.
That Nazis were murderers for sure but why hasn't the U.S. been held accountable for all the war crimes it committed? What about other powerful countries that committed war crimes? The message seems to be "might makes right." If you are a strong country militarily you can damn well do what you please and kill indiscriminately without any consequences.
A good example of why powerful countries does not always get punished is during World war 2, when the Soviet union did war crimes but were never held accountable was because they were on the winning side. If you are on the winning side you can get away with war crimes.
Why should they feel remorse? They truly believed that the survival of the German people was dependent on the eradication of some certain others.
Juden
I am so stupid. I, at one time, I thought this was a German cultural problem (racism, anti- semitism, hate on a grand scale). It is a human being problem. I have learned after the 2016 election it is an American problem.