Did I Just WASTE $50,000?! (30x40 Shop that I CAN'T Use!)

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  • čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
  • I did everything right and they still tried to shut me down! I'm expanding my woodworking business FINALLY and theses are the issues I've had so far. Check out the shop update as well as an impromptu shop tour!
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Komentáře • 943

  • @marceaton3128
    @marceaton3128 Před rokem +195

    Sounds like a good time for a back up generator for the shop and house.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před rokem +15

      Yea, starting to seem that way.

    • @yellotang
      @yellotang Před 11 měsíci +5

      Unfortunately, backup generation is very expensive to run.

    • @Hogger301
      @Hogger301 Před 11 měsíci +1

      Always a negative.🤞

    • @wilburrrrr742
      @wilburrrrr742 Před 11 měsíci +12

      Yeah, but backup power generator is a good investment. It will be there after the utility company gets their shit together so it's not a loss, and you can run your AC.
      Mine is dual fuel so it runs on gas or propane. I love it.

    • @keithproctor5559
      @keithproctor5559 Před 11 měsíci +6

      Solar Ecoflow Pro is awesome.

  • @edwardhappe802
    @edwardhappe802 Před 11 měsíci +150

    Once again, the red tape and incompetence of the bureaucracy screws the citizen. Kudos to you for refocusing and overcoming the adversity. Love your videos, please keep them coming.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před 11 měsíci +7

      Thanks!

    • @christopherpardell4418
      @christopherpardell4418 Před 10 měsíci +12

      Its not the bureaucracy. Its the Privately Owned, for Profit Power company. That, or its that crappy contractor who specified the wrong things in his design only to have the power company tell him what was really needed.

    • @999benhonda
      @999benhonda Před 10 měsíci +8

      It's not bureaucracy, it's capitalism. All these smaller utility companies worry more about investor shares than providing service. There's a parts shortage? That wouldn't be a problem if they didn't wait until the last minute to replace old equipment. My parents ran into a similar situation with a water company...it took 5x as long as it should have for them to run a line and what should have cost less than $1,000 was over $3,000. Utility companies know people don't have a choice.

    • @MacNeilR
      @MacNeilR Před 9 měsíci +6

      Nope, not bureaucracy or red tape, it's just not in the interest of the Privately Owned, for Profit Power company.

    • @christopherpardell4418
      @christopherpardell4418 Před 9 měsíci +2

      @@MacNeilR Really? It’s not in the interest of the for-profit power company to have a customer that will use even MORE power they can bill him for? Do you even understand how power companies make their money?

  • @chuckfalgout9596
    @chuckfalgout9596 Před rokem +84

    As an electrician, the only concern I would have is the length of the run of your 10/3 and potential voltage drop, especially in this Louisiana heat. I saw when you fired up the saw that your bay lights dimmed. Just don't go crazy and turn on too many things at once. I ran my house like this after for a few days after Ida until I get could get the generator wired in properly.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před rokem +6

      Thanks! Ida was a bear

    • @dougdiplacido2406
      @dougdiplacido2406 Před 11 měsíci +2

      It is only temporary until he gets regular power.

    • @opinionatedman
      @opinionatedman Před 11 měsíci +12

      That was my immediate concern as well. I think he said 400 foot of 10/3. Throwing a motor of a table saw and the dust collector running, plus lights and maybe fans due to heat with no AC, decent amp draw over long distance. Low voltage can damage things, especially if "temporary"is half a year or more. I feel for him though. We got this nonsense with our PoCo as well. You can do everything right and stay ahead and then they do whatever they want. We tend to avoid dealing with them as much as possible. I transfer services, do my own disconnects and reconnects, anything to avoid having any dependency on them. They'd be late to their own funeral.

    • @flashbazbo694
      @flashbazbo694 Před 11 měsíci +17

      So, "Mr electrician", no problem with the 40a feeder breaker on 150'+ of 10ga ? , NM run exposed ?, Undervolted /overheated electric motors ?What a joke, save the "as an electrician " moniker for after you've actually learned the trade.

    • @chuckclark6162
      @chuckclark6162 Před 11 měsíci +11

      ⁠@@flashbazbo694
      I agree. That’s some janky, dangerous “work around”.

  • @StillLivinginthewoods
    @StillLivinginthewoods Před 11 měsíci +66

    This is why I always install the box on a pole, instead of the house or building.
    Then the only things that has to pass code is the pole and the box,... and everything else can be connected after the inspectors leave.

    • @LukePighetti
      @LukePighetti Před 11 měsíci +4

      Can you walk me through this? I want to understand better. Thank you.

    • @StillLivinginthewoods
      @StillLivinginthewoods Před 11 měsíci +18

      @@LukePighetti If the main breaker box is mounted to the house or building, then the electric company will inspect the box and all the wiring connected to it before connecting the power. Everything will have to meet code.
      But if the main breaker box is mounted to a power pole, like the ones commonly used on manufacturer homes, and it's not connected to anything else,.. all they will inspect is the pole and the breaker box to meet code. Then after they have connected the power, you can connect everything else as you see fit...... up to code, of course. I would never suggest that anyone do anything illegal, unsafe, or that circumvented code.
      This will generally require having two separate breaker boxes. Again, just like a manufactured home.
      ***Again, I am not in anyway suggesting that anyone violate safety codes or the law. If in doubt, find someone who knows what they're doing or pay a professional.***

    • @LukePighetti
      @LukePighetti Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@StillLivinginthewoods thanks for the tip!

    • @cgschow1971
      @cgschow1971 Před 10 měsíci +6

      This is the way old farms were wired. The poco's service ended on a pole central to the house, barn, and other oitbuilings. The meter and disconnect were mounted on the pole and wires spiderwebbed to the various buildings with their own disconnects and subpanels.
      All the wires after the meter pole belonged to the customer.

    • @davepillow8478
      @davepillow8478 Před 3 měsíci

      I just discovered your channel. I’m glad I did. Thanks for sharing your ideas. It sucks that you had to go through all this crap. Been there done that. I lived in California for most of my life, I finally got smart and moved out of California to take land of the free. I’m looking forward to seeing more of your videos

  • @mattwoods7846
    @mattwoods7846 Před 11 měsíci +33

    You should be using 6ga wire for that distance and the 40A breaker. The larger wire will stop the lights from dimming when the equipment is first turned on.

    • @danielpopa8728
      @danielpopa8728 Před 10 měsíci +5

      I suport your comment. Biger dimension of wires or compensetion transformer.... after no more voltage drop.

    • @Happy11807
      @Happy11807 Před 10 měsíci +8

      RETIRED ELECTRICIAN HERE,DEFINITELY WOULD HAVE USED 6/3with ground! FOR THAT LONG OF RUN !

    • @M.TTT.
      @M.TTT. Před 10 měsíci +5

      Thats why you turn the lights off when you run heavy draw equipment LOL

    • @jamesjacobs-sj2il
      @jamesjacobs-sj2il Před 9 měsíci +1

      @@M.TTT.Lmao

  • @DordoArizona
    @DordoArizona Před rokem +28

    If the length from house panel to shop panel is 400 feet, and the wire size for that circuit is #10, you need to limit yourself to 10amps max. The wire is very under sized a cannot handle a 40amp load (wire size for a 40amp 400’ run is #4 copper). Overloading the circuit will cause a voltage drop which will lead to the wire getting very hot (think of a toaster coil) and your tools burning up. That’s why your lights are dimming (in rush of the tools motor) you may want to down size that 40amp breaker to a 10amp instead to prevent and more current than that wire can handle.
    Be careful.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před rokem +4

      I'll have to consider that, thanks for the comment!

    • @jeffeverde1
      @jeffeverde1 Před 11 měsíci +4

      @@burnstockwoodworking If you put a voltmeter on the circuit and watch when the saw powers up, I'd bet you'll see the voltage dip down towards 100volts - which is damaging to the motor. This voltage drop will also affect the power of the saw -- I'd leave the dust collector off when cutting any hardwood or thick stock. And if you plant to be working this way for the next 6 months, you really should replace that 10/3 cable with at least 8gauge. Also check the conductor size for the run between your main panel and that service post. It should be at least a 6gauge.

    • @flashbazbo694
      @flashbazbo694 Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@@jeffeverde18ga/6ga are nowhere near adequate. He'd be lucky to get 100v...
      An overheated, arcing motor surrounded by sawdust is a recipe for disaster.

    • @jamesjacobs-sj2il
      @jamesjacobs-sj2il Před 9 měsíci +4

      @@burnstockwoodworkingLmao, don’t forget that on a branch circuit you only get 80% of the amp rating as well. So now you’re down to 8 amps. Go pull the proper size wire to accommodate the voltage drop and please understand that #10 wire is only rated for 30 amps. 350$ on wire or a BURNED DOWN BUILDING AND USELESS TOOLS WITH DAMAGED MOTORS??

    • @ronblack7870
      @ronblack7870 Před 3 měsíci

      @@jamesjacobs-sj2il THHN wire will withstand 40 amps no problem even says that in the NEC codebook. except you are only allowed to fuse/ breaker protect it with 30 amps max. don't know what is inside your romex . the wires should say somewhere if not on the romex.

  • @richardpogue4959
    @richardpogue4959 Před rokem +57

    As an Electrician, I approve this message!!! Congrats on the new shop can’t wait to get mine built.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před rokem +1

      Thanks!

    • @jeffeverde1
      @jeffeverde1 Před 11 měsíci +5

      Seriously? 150' of 10/3 NMB, with the expected motor loads, run either in the open like an extension cord, or direct buried, and it's going to be in service that way for 6 months, and you consider that "Electrician Approved"?
      Ignoring the improper cable routing between the building and the pole, at the least he should be using 6 ga to deal with the significant voltage drop he's seeing due to the long' run. That will help with the undercurrent condition he's seeing when powering on the saw and DC.

    • @richardpogue4959
      @richardpogue4959 Před 11 měsíci

      @@jeffeverde1 it’s temp power to get him through until he can get final approval it obviously will work for the time being so get off my sack

    • @flashbazbo694
      @flashbazbo694 Před 11 měsíci +4

      Richard, you obviously are at best, what we electricians refer to as a romex jockey...
      Learn the trade first, then comment.

    • @jeffeverde1
      @jeffeverde1 Před 11 měsíci +3

      @@richardpogue4959 half-ass attitude that probably matches the quality of your work. Ignoring the 150' of NMB being left continuously energized and exposed for 6 months, the voltage drop is hard on the motors of his expensive tools. Not to mention the effect of low voltage on the electronic control of the SawStop's saftey mechanism. And since you're an Electrician who's watching a woodworking video, I assume you understand that the low voltage to his table saw will cause the motor to bog on hard or thick stock, greatly increasing the risk of kickback.

  • @gilpincharles
    @gilpincharles Před rokem +16

    The power company didn't want to make it happen within a reasonable timeline. Glad to see you had the fortitude to find a way and do it yourself.

  • @BUFFALO1946
    @BUFFALO1946 Před rokem +20

    Congrats on your ingenuity to get enough power to operate.
    The only thing I see that you are going to need to overcome (after your small shop) is no to get lost in that beautiful space.
    Congratulations on building your dream.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před rokem +5

      😂😂 it is hard to get used to for sure! I've NEVER had a space this large, especially for woodworking only

  • @onlineconsumer4796
    @onlineconsumer4796 Před 11 měsíci +23

    If that was a main electrical panel that you are now using as a sub-panel, you need to check to see if you have the ground and neutral bonded.

    • @mxslick50
      @mxslick50 Před 10 měsíci +3

      And remove that bond!! In a sub panel, grounds and neutrals MUST be seperated, or it will create a serious shock hazard.
      Oh, and the 10ga wire on a 40 amp breaker is a serious Code violation, max ampacity for 10ga is 30 amps. Plus with that long of a run there is serious voltage drop.

    • @jackthomas2051
      @jackthomas2051 Před 3 měsíci

      Buy a generator. It’s cheaper than replacing everything.

  • @StefanRandall
    @StefanRandall Před 11 měsíci +16

    As somebody that works for a contractor, I get it. That’s absolutely ridiculous to get that runaround, power to ya for finding a solution.

    • @SegoMan
      @SegoMan Před 4 měsíci

      That's why you videotape all interactions..

    • @timothyhults2549
      @timothyhults2549 Před měsícem

      And just what does video tape do? Record the intrution that theres nothing you can do and that there is no accountabilty for their screw ups. THATS THE PROBLEM 😮s​@SegoMan

  • @Hjfvvdst
    @Hjfvvdst Před 11 měsíci +14

    Be careful. The dimming of the lights is voltage drop. Voltage drop can and will burn up stuff. 400 ft needs about a #2 wire size.

  • @forafreeamerica767
    @forafreeamerica767 Před 11 měsíci +44

    Since it's going to be 6 months I would be looking into solar or wind power or combination of both, just as a FU to the power company.

    • @esmysyield2023
      @esmysyield2023 Před 10 měsíci +2

      Well the thing about that is if you go solar you have to pay the electric company a service fee. Not a joke. Its like that in several states. There is no such thing as free power in this country. They will find a way to get you.

    • @forafreeamerica767
      @forafreeamerica767 Před 10 měsíci +1

      @esmysyield2023 so you have to pay them to keep the electricity off, so if you don't pay your bill do they turn it on ?

    • @court2379
      @court2379 Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@esmysyield2023You need to understand you are paying for a service still. You are talking about grid tied solar. There is little or no storage on the power grid. When it gets dark, they are providing you power. That requires staff, a power plant, fuel, etc. Costs. They have to cover those costs. It doesn't matter if you provide enough power to cover what you used. You still used a service and so charge you for it.
      Go fully off-grid if you don't like that. Then you pay for the cost of that after dark power directly.

    • @court2379
      @court2379 Před 10 měsíci +1

      I am guessing they are charging outrageous fees to get this power. 20K or more. Tell them to pound sand, and put in your own power system.
      You could do this two ways. Run your whole shop permanently off the 40A line, but install a battery bank and charger/inverter. Your average use is unlikely to tax that 40A line. The battery provides the extra amps needed when running bigger motors. But they usually run for shorter durations so you don't need an enormous battery bank to give you full output of the tools for a few hours.
      The other option is to go fully off grid with solar. The install will cost a bunch more. Particularly because the battery would need to be far larger and you have panels to buy. You can get the federal 30% rebate on it though.

    • @branchandfoundry560
      @branchandfoundry560 Před 8 měsíci +1

      It'd take a helluva wind turbine and battery bank to run a shop and you better live on a mountain top to have sufficient wind...I've looked into it for my mountain top home in Blowing Rock, NC where it's ALWAYS windy. Spoiler--it wasn't feasible.

  • @throws56
    @throws56 Před 10 měsíci +5

    As someone who works for the power company, I completely understand. Make calls to the call center, if they have a regulating body (PSC is ours in NYS) threaten to call them and then actually call them if you still dont get anywhere. That usually gets things moving.

  • @mikecorrado4971
    @mikecorrado4971 Před 11 měsíci +6

    They say you can’t fight City Hall. You proved them wrong. I love it. Good luck with the rest of your shop-build! 👏

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před 11 měsíci

      Thanks!

    • @lsucowboy
      @lsucowboy Před 10 měsíci +2

      Bro, city hall doesn't run the power company. With few exceptions, power utilities are for profit, capitalist companies.

    • @SegoMan
      @SegoMan Před 4 měsíci

      2 words - "Video Camera" always videotape interactions so they can't weasel out of what they told you and agreed upon.. It's sad the world has come to this but as Walter Cronkite would say "That's the way it is"

  • @CorbyQ
    @CorbyQ Před rokem +13

    Im sorry you are going thru all this. I will definitely add you to our prayers. Im glad you figured out a temporary fix.

  • @jimrosson6702
    @jimrosson6702 Před 11 měsíci +7

    Congrats on your new shop but so sorry for all the trouble with the power. But you’ve got a great attitude about things so when you do get your power you will be totally ready to go best of luck on getting it done

  • @WoodworkingWarrior
    @WoodworkingWarrior Před rokem +7

    Looking good! Moving into a bigger shop is such a great feeling.

  • @lw8882
    @lw8882 Před měsícem

    Great point that anger feels good for a moment, and then doing something to solve the problem is the best way of using it. Love that.

  • @tracynation2820
    @tracynation2820 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Super. I have temporarily wired many buildings, usually to get heat, lights, a receptacle, or A/C. I ran two heat guns once, 27 amperes at 120 volts, through 14/2g Romex for almost 8 hours without burning anything, but the wire was quite warm during use. You should put the 30 ampere breaker in front of the 10/3g, and the 40 ampere breaker in the shop, as 10 gauge is nominally rated at 30 amperes, but will trip a 40 ampere breaker no sweat, so if you are selective of what is operating, you will be fine. If you are doing a subpanel, never run anything smaller than 4/3g copper or 3/3g aluminum (4 wires) and a 60 ampere (or 70 ampere) main breaker, but 1,200 square feet would make me suggest a larger main of 100 amperes and for the long run, 2/3g copper, or 1/3g aluminum, although 4/3g copper or 2/3g aluminum would probably be adequate. Super shop. Good luck. 💙 T.E.N.

  • @joehanika
    @joehanika Před rokem +19

    The BS that we have to go thru with utilities/city employees kills me. There are few things as stressful as this. Glad you got it up and running!

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před rokem

      Thanks!

    • @russell7489
      @russell7489 Před 2 měsíci

      Or grow up. Life's a b... Then you die. He saved 20, 50 g doing all the elec work instead of hiring an elec who works w utility every week & has a "relationship" or just knows up front what crap is coming & compensates. Take your savings & be happy.

    • @joehanika
      @joehanika Před 2 měsíci

      @@russell7489lol… you’ve never dealt with city workers.

  • @johnc7512
    @johnc7512 Před 10 měsíci +7

    This is why people are fed up with city's and counties and move out to where there are no building codes or electrical codes.

  • @kgripen757
    @kgripen757 Před 3 měsíci

    Tough break - updated the 100 amp service to my home to 200 amp. Worked directly with my electrician as well as the utility provider, Central Maine Power. Made several phone calls to the utility company, always getting the full name and phone number as well as email to get everything on record. Although delayed by weather related events (totally understandable), the work got done (disconnect, reconnect meter, socket, etc.). Critical to bring the utility directly into the loop.

  • @brianlanning836
    @brianlanning836 Před 9 měsíci

    One of the reasons we moved to rural Oklahoma was to avoid this kind of crazy. The electrical co-op brought power to a panel outside with a meter box. I added two disconnect switches, then buried 3" conduit running to six different buildings. I brought power into the buildings and did all of the inside wiring myself. Totally up to code. Zero permits. Zero inspections. The only inspection we had was to install the septic system because that's how the state assesses property taxes. The inspector worked for the septic company doing the install. I even installed a culvert on a county road. No permits.

  • @Trudgewild
    @Trudgewild Před rokem +6

    Pounding that like button and letting those ads roll in support for your channel. Glad you got power. Hopefully I’ll have mine restored today from the Thursday storm. New poles went up last night. Feeling optimistic

  • @dvillagomezjr
    @dvillagomezjr Před 11 měsíci +5

    Good for you man! I hope everything works out at the end! I had to transform my back patio into a shop. I'm in Los Angeles and the struggle is real here as well. I just subbed btw.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před 11 měsíci +1

      I know the feeling. Before I started the channel I was working on my back porch. Then I bought a shipping container and eventually the channel. You might like my earlier content. Welcome to the channel and thanks for the sub! I really appreciate it!

  • @markjohns4651
    @markjohns4651 Před 11 měsíci +2

    I love your attitude towards finding a work around. I would look into a generator or solar. I hate the red tape they love to throw at you at the last minute.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před 11 měsíci +1

      Thanks! It is what it is at this point but I'm still coming out on top in the long run.

  • @kimcoweld278
    @kimcoweld278 Před 2 měsíci

    Wish I lived close by. I'm retired now, but still have my excavator and could run that line underground. Later when you get your electric service you could use the RV line as a secondary service so it wouldn't go to waste.

  • @scottwhite9717
    @scottwhite9717 Před rokem +3

    Great-looking shop, great solution to the power issue.
    I would have gone with a larger gauge wire like an 8 gauge.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před rokem

      Thanks! I would've as well, however, the existing wire was 10 gauge that I tied into and I was trying to keep the expense as low as possible. Thanks for commenting!

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations Před rokem +3

    Congrats for the new shop, dude! Really fantastic space you got there!!! 😃
    But yeah, they almost screwed you up... Almost! Well done, fantastic solution! 😃
    I'm also dealing with the electricity company, because I'm installing solar panels here. But luckily it's been smooth so far... They already changed the meter there... I don't know the name in English... And they're going to install the panels on Wednesday (October 30). So... Let's see how it goes. 😬
    (But I'm installing without batteries for now, still on grid... I'm going to leave it for the future for now.)
    Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @robertcampbell6042
    @robertcampbell6042 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Solar + Wind with a power wall (or two). Higher upfront costs but lower costs over time. 40 amp service as a top-up source or for use with "time of use" billing. Operator-facing fans will help with the heat and help control dust.

  • @marshalldressel9615
    @marshalldressel9615 Před 11 měsíci

    Plywood for walls! Good man!
    I used 5/8 OSB on the 20’ x 20’ room shell over my shop and then made it a huge BR, dressing room, and BIG bathroom. The entire ceiling is 5/8” plywood.
    TRUISM: All roofs leak eventually…sheetrock fails but OSB and plywood simply dry out once leak is fixed!
    Keep up the good work and creative planning/thinking!

  • @KRich408
    @KRich408 Před 11 měsíci +4

    For $50k you could have installed a nice 50a Victron solar system that would run AC and your tools without the power company ever getting a cent! I have a 2000 watt system on my RV that costs $15K The system is getting cheaper It s the Lifepo4 batteries that' are the Biggest investment. I'm Using Battle Born game changers they have 10 year warranties. You can buy cheaper brands . And if you don't use the shop at night it's a no brainier just let that 40a circuit charge the battery if you didn't get enough sun, that would be the only coat if you don't want to install enough PV panels.

  • @1pokras
    @1pokras Před 11 měsíci +7

    Congrats on your new shop! If I heard you correctly, your Romex run of 10-3, especially at the distance you're running it might be undersized. Usually we run #8 for a 40A circuit, at your distance, you'd be safer to run #6. It also might mitigate the dimming of your lights when you turn on your table saw. Consult a licensed electrician and the NEC Wire Size/Run Distance/
    Ampacity Chart!

    • @caseymiller3540
      @caseymiller3540 Před 11 měsíci +2

      I came to say the same thing. 10 gauge wire is only approved for a maximum of 30 amps. And yes because of the distance I would upgrade it to 6 gauge instead of 8 gauge. It will help with the light dimming for sure.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před 11 měsíci +2

      I would but it'd be significantly more expensive for such a temporary thing. I just can't justify spending the extra money (more than I've already spent) for something that will be temporary.

    • @caseymiller3540
      @caseymiller3540 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@burnstockwoodworking Just be cautious of using multiple high amperage machines/appliances at the same time and you should be fine temporarily. And if multiple are needed such as saws plus dust collection power up the machine that draws the most power first. The peak amperage is typically during startup unless you’re overworking the machine, this will help reduce breakers tripping during initial startup.

    • @ronaldhanes8290
      @ronaldhanes8290 Před 11 měsíci

      Could change to #6 wire and add a minisplit

  • @Platoface
    @Platoface Před 11 měsíci +1

    I hear you. Did same thing for Windstream for fiber optic. Engineer came out and told me what I needed. So I did it. Called them out said everything is ready. They came out, with original engineer and another man told me it was all wrong. I replied what are you talking about? That guy right there said that’s what I needed. He lied straight to my face and said that’s not what I told you. Took another 2 months before they could come out again.

  • @bradrock7731
    @bradrock7731 Před 11 měsíci +1

    You are a strong man. I could not take it anymore. Moved to a part of the Ozarks. No codes or permits or inspections for anything.
    I'm looking at an ad right now for a 30 x 40 x 10, installed on your pad for 12K.
    Lots of nice wood here too.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před 11 měsíci

      Room for 7 more? 😂😂

    • @user-xg1rp5oj8b
      @user-xg1rp5oj8b Před 10 měsíci

      I'm in northern California. Build then back permit is one of the only ways to get ANYTHING done. You get one person in the chain that has "a bad day" you will never get permitted and signed off for years at a time. We live in bureaucracy hell and no lemonade in sight.

  • @chrisp.76
    @chrisp.76 Před rokem +3

    Congrats on beating them. You might be able to use one of those power generators that have been advertised on woodworking videos a lot in the last 6-12 months. Maybe it could run an AC?

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před rokem +1

      Thanks! Yep, I applied for an affiliate with Jackery, that was my first course of action actually. Haven't heard anything back but it's all good

    • @jimscruggs5400
      @jimscruggs5400 Před 11 měsíci

      He maybe able to put on a softstart and work it

  • @paulsylvester1394
    @paulsylvester1394 Před 11 měsíci +6

    Sadly, we have people in positions of responsibility who supposedly work for us but in reality do not. They should be fired!

  • @JayneCobb88
    @JayneCobb88 Před 10 měsíci

    Makes me appreciate where I live even more. I don’t even have to pull a permit to build, just for septic.

  • @wizzarin424
    @wizzarin424 Před 10 měsíci

    I'm kinda in the same boat, I got a extension going from the house to the my shop, and when I need the Table Saw or welder, etc. I start up the generator for the heavy loads. I can so much relate to your problem, glad you found a solution.

  • @alanlane3869
    @alanlane3869 Před 9 měsíci

    I haven't read all of the comments, but my time in service made me first think of getting a surplus 10kw generator on a trailer. They even work in war zones. 👊😜

  • @marshalldressel9615
    @marshalldressel9615 Před 11 měsíci +2

    Hey, Marshall Dressel here. If you have a window, put in a big AC unit and run it say 6-9 before working, then take long lunch and run it more. Since you did such good insulation, you can still work but not melt!
    Oh yeah…put styrofoam on your garage doors if you have them!
    I’m giving you a thumbs up and subscribing. I’m interested in other people’s suggestions.
    A second hand generator could also run AC for your full workday.

  • @optionstrader9637
    @optionstrader9637 Před 3 měsíci

    I know i saw this video a bit late, but an easy solution in my opinion would be a 48v inverter with like 10kwh of battery. The cost would be around $4k but you can then feed the power as it is now into the inverter to charge the battery bank. it will utilize both grid and battery to power your loads being much more stable for equipment.

  • @RAkers-tu1ey
    @RAkers-tu1ey Před 10 měsíci

    Adding to the chorus below - I have a couple of recommendations: Treat that extension cord as what it is. Unplug it and coil it up every night. Get a meter of some sort for the end of run (kill-a-watt or whatever) and unplug tools or lights if the voltage drops below 100 (or 200 if 220) at the tools, or if the connection gets warm. Consider talking to an actual electrician about re-wiring the saw to 220 (most of them will do it) to reduce the ampere draw on the line.
    Maybe get a generator to run the shop separately from the saw. Good luck.

  • @michaelgutierrez6564
    @michaelgutierrez6564 Před rokem

    I wired a backup generator in a similar fashion when we lost power. I didn't want to lose a refrigerator full of food yet again. I upgraded my panel to a 200A panel after than and installed a generator inlet. Now I can power everything in my house except my electric stove an A/C unit. Now I'm working on getting a soft start for the A/C to be able to run that off the generator as well.

  • @sandikhader1801
    @sandikhader1801 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Ingenuity, perserverance and determination, the red blooded American man. Very nice job. Great shop!

  • @guytech7310
    @guytech7310 Před 3 měsíci +1

    yeah, Matt from Diesel creek had issues getting power to his shop at a cost of about $60K, just for the power, even though he did all of the trenching, conduit, & transformer pad.

  • @branchandfoundry560
    @branchandfoundry560 Před 8 měsíci

    Great to see your shop, as I'm finalizing plans now with the architect for my new shop. It's helpful to see a similarly sized space. Hang in there, buddy, these things all just take time to work through the process. You made it work for now & that's what matters!

  • @dereksmith1803
    @dereksmith1803 Před 3 měsíci

    Good for you in figuring out a workaround. I was going to make the suggestion of telling the utility company to go pound sand and just install a generator and proceed without them, but your fix works as well and it's cheaper to do, so win win.

  • @hamop3
    @hamop3 Před 10 měsíci

    If you have room in your house box, you could have put the correct size breaker in and forget the delimma with the power company. When I bought my property, I did that very thing. Installed breaker, got wire, conduit, breaker box for inside of shop. 15 years later never missed a stroke. No blinking lights either. Power tools and welder humming nicely.

  • @ModernMountainLiving
    @ModernMountainLiving Před 11 měsíci

    Good for you! I am building a 30x40 shop too. My Electrical CO-OP ran across the property I bought at a diagonal without an Easement so I asked them to move it since it went under the only place I can build with septic and setback rules. They told me if I did ALL the work they would ONLY charge me $30,000. They took 1 1/2 years to answer.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před 11 měsíci

      30k for what?!

    • @ModernMountainLiving
      @ModernMountainLiving Před 11 měsíci

      Absolutely ! Me to trench 200', bury 2" conduit, Them to replace the 50 year old direct burial wire. Finally said if I would set the meter bases they would run the 10' to transformer for $8500 including engineering fee. If I would sign a Utility Easement I could build to 3' instead of 10' of the diagonal underground run. CO-OPs are supposed to be Customer Owned, this one has an Us against Them attitude.
      @@burnstockwoodworking

  • @namtech425
    @namtech425 Před 10 měsíci

    Oof man I feel you, we just finished up our renovations to the house, the contractor was superb but the city inspectors..... and we are not done yet as we ran out of money, so now I end up making and fitting the last stuff. Good luck let look to the future, hope you enjoy that shop.

  • @testingperson8413
    @testingperson8413 Před 11 měsíci +2

    'merica!
    Make America Great Again,
    YOU DID IT!
    We are PROUD of you Sir!

  • @justinbanks2380
    @justinbanks2380 Před rokem

    Glad to see I'm not the only one who spaces screws evenly across things, even when it doesn't matter or is overkill.
    (I actually didn't even realize it until someone saw me doing it and asked why, lol.)

  • @Buffy1967
    @Buffy1967 Před rokem

    That was a genius solution, the heat will pass but I understand how bad it can be . I use fans in my garage shop . Shop is looking good. So much usable space , nice

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před rokem +1

      Thanks! No end in the immediate sight for the heatwave but as seasons go it'll cool off ...in a few years at least 😆

    • @flashbazbo694
      @flashbazbo694 Před 11 měsíci

      Cutting corners and creating the potential to burn your new shop down is in no way a "genius" solution.

  • @windmillbk
    @windmillbk Před 7 měsíci

    I am sorry you are going through this. It took me over a year of run around and backtracking to get power to my land. I travel through an "easement" (titled into the property) to get to my land. The person in the 5 acres closest to the road has a power box at the end of his property put there for our property to also have power. After a 6mth wait for booking the power run, At the last minute the Electrical company needed a survey of his property and legal documentation to run the power through the titled easement to make sure we were not on his property. Surveyors were booking 6mth out.

  • @guruoo
    @guruoo Před 11 měsíci

    Congrats to you, bro! I find that beating the system when it's working against you is one of the most satisfying joys in life.

  • @justinficarra6376
    @justinficarra6376 Před 9 měsíci

    Your story of perseverance is amazing.
    Thank you for sharing.
    God Speed.

  • @rkeantube
    @rkeantube Před 10 měsíci

    if you want AC, get a Micro-Air Easy Start, but you might not be able to use as many tools when AC is running, keep the RV post out there just in case, you can argue a temp setup vs a perm setup

  • @Dillonsvideos
    @Dillonsvideos Před 11 měsíci +2

    Great video man enjoyed it a lot. Great job with the shop and working with what you have.

  • @SzechuanChickenDog
    @SzechuanChickenDog Před rokem +1

    You dealt with it and moved forward. Because you are not a victim. Even though you basically were in this situation. I think a lot of people including me would have succumbed to the opportunity to sit there and wallow... Great video

  • @benwilkerson3762
    @benwilkerson3762 Před 10 měsíci +1

    If it’s the same in your area as mine, you’ll need another inspection just before the power company installs your meter. Be careful they don’t see your “jerry rigged” service entrance.

  • @roberthellebush8775
    @roberthellebush8775 Před 11 měsíci

    So sorry about your run in with insane bureaucracy!! I sorta had a corollary problem … trying to run my small shop out of a 10x20 storage unit … NO electricity! So, I rigged up a Ryobi 1800w battery power inverter … and it works. Powers a mitre saw, band saw, drill press and LED lighting. Just take the portable inverter home to recharge each night.

  • @pazmaniaoh6341
    @pazmaniaoh6341 Před rokem +2

    Glad you overcame. Good luck

  • @JerryMabrey
    @JerryMabrey Před rokem +1

    Sorry brother about your electrical problem but I'm glad to see your American ingenuity to affect, they can't keep a good man down. Congrats on the shop.

  • @eliinthewolverinestate6729
    @eliinthewolverinestate6729 Před 10 měsíci

    We usually run ground up on outlets in a shop or garage. There is no required orientation but ground up is slightly safer. And cords less likely to come out. You should run a soft start or thicker wire. You can get bigger cover plates for the sloppy holes.

    • @jamesjacobs-sj2il
      @jamesjacobs-sj2il Před 9 měsíci

      Commercial/industrial-ground up
      Residential-ground down

  • @tomstone2322
    @tomstone2322 Před rokem

    Great job love the new shop! We built a house 26 years ago we did ourselves. Had a similar situation but with the septic I spent 18,000 on a raised drain field and they told me I couldn’t use because they was going to run city sewer. I understand the frustration it ridiculous they do stuff like this. Stay strong my friend things will workout it did for us

  • @danpenry8899
    @danpenry8899 Před 11 měsíci

    My air compressor and welder would trip the breaker but I replaced the 10 g with 6g from the house to the garage and it fixed that problem

  • @user-vn6hi2bi3g
    @user-vn6hi2bi3g Před 11 měsíci

    I did not see your post earlier, run a parallel supply line 10-3 to panel and voltage drop will be signifcantly less (dimming of lights when you turn on a motor table saw etc.) and it will help prevent low voltgage damage to your equipment and allow you to use dust removal concurrently until permanent service is activated.Ray Stormont

  • @deweyabbott5310
    @deweyabbott5310 Před 9 měsíci

    This is a good lesson for everyone to video record when they talk to inspectors, this way you can take it to court they will tell you one thing an then turn around an say somthing diff, our state an congrass have aloud this

  • @donaldgulledge729
    @donaldgulledge729 Před 3 měsíci

    I have heard and experienced with my current build, that power meter panels are up to 18 months backorder.

  • @robthewaywardwoodworker9956
    @robthewaywardwoodworker9956 Před 11 měsíci

    Necessity is the mother of invention! Way to go, brother. Adapt and overcome.

  • @mybossisdrunk
    @mybossisdrunk Před 7 měsíci

    Makes me more grateful for my city. They hooked me up literally the day after i called them.

  • @davidbaulch3223
    @davidbaulch3223 Před 11 měsíci

    Looks good. It took me over 13 years to finally break down and have a mini-split installed in my shop. Thought I could make it in summer and winter with fans and "milk house" heaters. Couldn't make it any further. Summer in upper Central Texas almost killed me.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před 11 měsíci

      I'm going to be putting in a mini split very soon after I get legitimate power. Makes it way easier to go work in an air conditioned shop. Southeast Louisiana here so I feel ya on the summer heat

  • @ur22much2
    @ur22much2 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Good for you, good old American ingenuity. You make a mother proud. You got a shop , man. Take it easy, take a break, take a breath, and give yourself the kudos you deserve.

  • @Dancing_Alone_wRentals
    @Dancing_Alone_wRentals Před 11 měsíci +1

    Glad this is moving forward for you. I was guessing the problem was much bigger than six months. I thought perhaps the city had shut down a commercial business in a residential zone. Wishing you more good news to come!

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před 11 měsíci +1

      No issues there, just a regular joe building a shop and doing my own thing as far as they're concerned.

    • @Dancing_Alone_wRentals
      @Dancing_Alone_wRentals Před 11 měsíci

      that is good to hear,@@burnstockwoodworking

  • @valhallamaker8356
    @valhallamaker8356 Před rokem

    Amazing shop, my friend. Your shop, your way. And yes, our Louisiana heatwave is rough right now. Especially with all the wildfires statewide.

  • @kennyshipman9337
    @kennyshipman9337 Před 11 měsíci

    Excellent Excellent, improvise, adapt, overcome. Glad I found the channel. Looking forward to seeing more.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před 11 měsíci

      I'm glad ya found it too, welcome to the channel and thanks for the comment!

  • @willbaxter5272
    @willbaxter5272 Před 11 měsíci

    Perfect opportunity to build a content library of building out your shop space!

  • @startmaking1
    @startmaking1 Před rokem +1

    well done for taking it into your own hands bud. What an amazing space you have made. costumes huh? Cant wait to see what that is about.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před rokem

      Thanks! Yea, I got a wild one coming up, it's gonna be, uhhhh,.....different 😂

  • @jamesray9009
    @jamesray9009 Před 10 měsíci

    sounds like a good reason for solar .. I get free 250w panels that end up needing diodes .. I plan on using just for lights in the house.. then as I get more and buy more I plan on increasing the sizing

  • @chuckcribbs3398
    @chuckcribbs3398 Před 10 měsíci

    We ran power to our old barn and the electric company changed the requirements for the outside shutoff panels after we had it installed. The electrician wouldn’t install a new one after I offered to pay for it. So we got a free new one from the electric company and had another electrician install it. Took us an extra three weeks. Not too bad.

  • @DaileyWoodworks
    @DaileyWoodworks Před 5 měsíci

    Yay for government regulations! Said no small business owner ever. I’m guessing you’re in Louisiana I’m in Texas and that heat is no joke!
    Good on you for solving your own problem. Hopefully you’ve gotten hooked up by now

  • @uhadme
    @uhadme Před 11 měsíci +1

    If you put a male connector on both ends of your power cord, you can just plug it into any outlet in the shop.
    And it will feed your whole system.
    Handy gadget to have, long as there is no meter.

    • @cgschow1971
      @cgschow1971 Před 10 měsíci

      Do not do this. Reason is obvious.

    • @chrisfallis5851
      @chrisfallis5851 Před 10 měsíci +2

      They call them suicide plugs.

    • @SegoMan
      @SegoMan Před 4 měsíci

      @@chrisfallis5851 SHHHH Darwin needs work too.....

  • @donaldrhine548
    @donaldrhine548 Před 11 měsíci

    Your a true American. Never let someone tell you you cant do what you can do on your property.

  • @mikoserbousek4987
    @mikoserbousek4987 Před 10 měsíci

    Add a 50A inlet (SS2-50P connector) a transfer switch to your building to make it a little less ghetto, this can be used for a generator later. Consider looking into DIY solar- for what you paid (50k) you could have had an (off grid) system 2x to 3x overbuilt for your use case.

    • @jamesjacobs-sj2il
      @jamesjacobs-sj2il Před 9 měsíci

      Missed the fact that he’s running #10 wire feeding 40a? 400ft of #10 VOLTAGE DROP!!

  • @rickruppe4106
    @rickruppe4106 Před rokem +1

    Well done my friend! Sounds like a trip to the "town hall" or city council meeting sharing your story could give some department heads a heads up..."sqeaky wheel gets the grease". Best wishes 😀🙏

  • @lisakew344
    @lisakew344 Před 11 měsíci

    We had the same thing happen. What was funny is 1 month latter the electric company is apologizing for not hooking us up sooner.
    We keep quiet and didn't contact the county and got power. Lol

  • @ivoted7199
    @ivoted7199 Před 10 měsíci

    Yeah, they replaced my transformer when I upgraded the power to my city home. Great "temporary power" solution buddy.

  • @frankmckie2992
    @frankmckie2992 Před rokem

    Good lad .... we all need to stop sulking and overcome more 🙂👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

  • @chadpm11
    @chadpm11 Před 11 měsíci

    We used a aurora 28k Diesel generator on one of our property shops because power company wants over 100 grand to get power to the property from a substation across the street.

  • @MattMadeIt123
    @MattMadeIt123 Před rokem

    Great you got it going. FYI- 10AWG run 150' for a 240V circuit is only good for 20A with a 3% voltage drop. I'm sure this will get you by, just keep that 20A limit in mind for any extended current draw.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před rokem

      Will do, thanks for the info!

    • @AKdesignsandhardwoods
      @AKdesignsandhardwoods Před 11 měsíci +1

      I was going to add to this. You need to bump that gauge up. That voltage drop over that run is going to be significant.

  • @slippersgarage4775
    @slippersgarage4775 Před 6 měsíci

    You should probably get a lock out for the main breaker incase someone were to accidentally turn it on if it’s hooked up to anything else you could back feed that system potentially damaging appliances or worse someone else. I don’t know exactly what your situation is or if there’s even anything tied into that main breaker but that’s my advice

  • @deandavenport4907
    @deandavenport4907 Před 11 měsíci

    FYI, do NOT forget the ground. I used this technique to power my house from a generator. It worked great! My moment of glory came when I lost power during a storm. Went outside, hooked it up, and had power. Then my wife starts smelling something burning. I forgot the ground!

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před 11 měsíci

      Oh no, I'm double grounded. All is well here. Please tell me you caught it before you burned the house down

  • @oakiewoodsman
    @oakiewoodsman Před 11 měsíci +1

    Crazy stuff! Hopefully you can get it all straightened out quicker than you think.

    • @burnstockwoodworking
      @burnstockwoodworking  Před 11 měsíci

      It will, they actually came out this week and put up the new poles so maybe Ive ruffled some feathers

  • @justinbanks2380
    @justinbanks2380 Před rokem +1

    Very sorry to hear the BS you had to put up with.
    But love the "F it! I'm gonna get power to this thing whether they like it or not!"
    Congrats on taking a deep breath and making it work

  • @philstreeter9703
    @philstreeter9703 Před 11 měsíci

    Congrats. You used your brains to solve the problem. A backup generator might be handy for the AC.

  • @SinSpawn9000
    @SinSpawn9000 Před 10 měsíci

    I applaud your ingenuity for your temp fix, I would look into what kind of formal complaint or even lawsuit you could send to the power company since if your electrical needs/plans didn't change from when they first approved your layout to when they decided the transformer needed a redesign then there should have been no reason for the change on their end, if they are telling you that you have to pay for the transformer redesign and install that's basically fraud.

  • @Rsc-dz2sh
    @Rsc-dz2sh Před 11 měsíci

    hey man , a mans got to do what a mans got to do! i know your fustration i had to wait 3 months to get power to my shop.

  • @theabsentmindedprofessor8357

    Look into the solar ac systems they have come alooong way and you could cool and heat that space with them.