Graphene Technology That Could Revolutionise F1
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2019
- Talking about a revolutionary graphene technology (that I'm involved with) that could be on the verge of transforming F1, motorsport in general, electric cars and much more.
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Marc is wielding a lightsaber in a thumbnail. What a boss.
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I thought the same thing 😂
Wow i was about to write that
Not just me then! 😂😂
It’s a big butt plug I think
Your words kind of fizzled out when the Jordan kept coming into view.
Yea graphene tech is now in my sport, RC racing. They now have graphene lipo batteries and they are fantastic.
That 2001 Jordan has to be one of the most gorgeous race cars ever!
199 looked better
My fav is the Lotus 72. That’s the one with the inboard discs and the brake cooling towers.
HHF. My dad's favorite at the time.
Agreed, what a beautiful car. My favourite.
The 1997 to 2001 cars were the best looking cars.
Yuk I thought it was an Indy car.
So now I'm thinking I should have tried harder at school...
Haha, me too! 😂
Nice for you to be involved with something with such potential!
Ouch, already have issues with plastics/glass particles in water at the microscopic level, now imagine little sharp graphene piece.
Admit it Marc, you've been using graphene in your hair for years!
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You could use graphene to create the Emperor's new clothes, it is thin and nearly transparent. However on should avoid magnetic fields, because graphene is a diamagnetic material i.o.w. it is repelled by a magnetic field.....
Excellent vid! Very interested to see if and how this plays a part in future designs.
Awesome video, really interesting. But pleeeeese do spend 100-200 bucks on some clip on mics. Will massively cut down on background noise and bump the production value:).
So, rocket engines can add it to the fuel mixtures they use to cool the exhaust ports and use 60% less fuel for cooling which gives them a massive extension to range, or, gives them a huge weight savings by lowering fuel needs for short trips.. this could make commercial space travel more affordable.. Great product
Love your channel Marc, a bit of a geek myself, and always enjoying and learning a lot from your videos. Fascinating stuff i heard on this video and it is a great inspiration to see your passion, investment and broad mind aproach to your craft. Keep up the awesome work!
I've read recently somewhere (possibly cycling?) companies are looking at incorporating graphine powder into the resin used in carbon fiber which helps add strength and thus less carbon fibers should be needed to meet same requirements adding to significant weight reduction and best of all further customization of shapes to control the various specs sought (strength, rigidity, damping, compliance characteristics is various dimensions.)
Awesome video Marc, extremely exciting tech !!
Dude awesome investment! Happy too see you have so much great stuff going on!!
Still a lot of ideas about what to do when graphene becomes produceable. Let us first focus on actually producing graphene before making applications.
This is a product, being produced and used right now...
@@F1Elvis sorry for my misunderstanding. The video seems to tell how good the product will be once it is developed and in full production / sales. Showing the product in actual use by any customer would take away the feeling of would be could be. Still lots of success as the promised results are spectacular.
I almost died laughing when they mentioned making body of a car out of graphene 🤣🤣🤣
I remember watching this video a few years back when I was researching Graphene.
Graphene coolant: - Def a potential market for high end sports cars, trakc day cars and racing cars. Many tracks/racing series at the local level forbid pure glycol for fire reasons. Water is nasty stuff for corrosion so an alternative would not only work at the high end but be a real boon for classic cars which stand idle for long periods and suffer radiator rot.
That’s mad.im in ireland doing my leaving cert this summer and for engineering the special topic this year is nanotechnology and graphene.
Good luck with your exams
Marc, quite interesting matter you brought up us again. I’ve been watching and waiting for graphene to develop into a real use material. For all reasons explained by your partner, 15 years passed away and still not massive use of it, at least not publicly. If is there any chance we could be involved on it, surely several guys would be interested on investing or developing niche applications. Keep on rolling.
When you put that in your road car, don’t forget that it will not have a massive effect on the temperature gauge in the car as the cooling system has a thermostat that will prevent the engine block (where the temperature gauge reads from) to have any significant change. I am sure you will be providing us with wonderful content that would include temperature readings at the radiator, or removing the thermostat for some before and after results without it. Thanks again for all your wonderful videos! Just my 2 cents.
Spray on graphene so the Predator will never find you.
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You have a vivid imagination. I don't think spray on graphene exists.
I'm really seeing how this can help F1 and Motorsports this thing could be really big for our sport really big
I sincerely wish you all the success! // ¡Les deseo sinceramente el mayor de los éxitos!
Very exciting.. nice one!
Not sure about your test idea Marc. I'm thinking that without altering the components within the cooling system that control coolant flow to the radiator across the temperature range the engine will continue to run at the same temperature. How quickly the engine warms up on start up may change but once it's up to operating temperature it'll not look any different to the driver. Quite happy to be proved wrong. :)
Yes, the fan would have to be disconnected and take measurements on warm up time and hot spot temps etc
#ASKELVIS Hi Elvis you are the only CZcams channel that I look at the adds at the start to the end and don't press skip ad because I want you to make it big on here I'm loving your work on here. I'm looking forward for each new video here in Ireland.
Thanks Johnny, appreciate it man
Graphine could be used to turn the entire skin or portions of the skin into passive heat sinks spreading out heat for dissipation then further minimize the size of the active heat dissipation capacity required which would also itself be increased in efficiency. the inside of the skin could have printed 'wires/cabling' and circuitry integrated within reducing single use componentry.
Yes, that's what I said in the video!
Amazing tech! Used in fishing rods as well.
Very neat!
Cool! Fascinating!
Thanks for the video, as someone who is doing a PhD in nanomaterials research, it's very exciting to see that graphene is soon gonna be used in F1. I was wondering whether F1 teams have a research team that looks at materials/technologies that may be relevant in the next 5-10 years? thanks!
Oh how fascinating. It's cool when a discovery takes a totally different direction to what you thought it would. 60% more efficient that current coolants is nothing to sneeze at. I'm imagining that being made of carbon in wouldn't cause corrosion either. I'm a huge geek too, looking forward to hearing more about this as time goes by.
Yes, correct, totally safe and non corrosive.
Didn’t see this coming. So glad you are in on the ground floor and providing a window into this tech to us. Do you now pitch it to individual teams or to the FIA?
Yes, we're talking to everybody.
Loved this insight
Taking the heat away from the battery or engine you still have to bring it somewhere - which is air, and that means radiators. Can they keep up with the new amount of heat, or are you also working on graphene radiators / different solution because at some point the air itself will become the limiting factor as it only has a limited ability to take and carry away heat?
You will be surprised of how efficient a radiator can get rid of heat.
The efficiency with which the fluid can transfer heat means smaller rads, less fluid, smaller pumps and pipes etc etc.
Christian Breitenstein some quick calculations of water and air says yes .
@@F1Elvis Is there perhaps a roughly estimated formula of how much smaller rads could be using Graphene? I'm asking for a motorcycle racing application where a smaller radiator would have huge aerodynamic and weight, and weight distribution advantages.
How can this truly be considered 2 dimensional when atoms themselves are considered three dimensional?
Splitting hairs?
@@mrswinkyuk - Pardon?
This type of thinking (atoms described with "sticks and balls" and the bohr model) taught in schools can be problematic when describing things on the most minute of scales.
The simplest explanation (that I can think of) to why they are called two dimensional materials is that since the atoms don't have a pair to interact with on the z-axis, it is impossible for them to manifest or transmit physical of chemical properties within the object in that direction. So if you introduce an electric current to a piece of 2d- material, it can only "travel" in x- and y- directions.
@@Ctrl952 - Oh don't get me wrong, I do understand how it functions and I am well past viewing atoms as sticks and balls. It just seemed a bit off putting, like I was hearing more of a marketing term than a real world description. From my understanding, while you could possibly make as argument for free electrons to be 2d even a free proton or neutron must exist in three spatial dimensions. I know it may seem that I am picking nits but that seems, to me anyway, like a pretty big nit.
@@sam21462 Yeah, I would agree with it being a "marketing term" as you put it. But it also does describe some of the physical properties of the material quite well.
As we live in a multi dimensional universe, you could also say that describing a dice as a three-dimensional object you are simplifying its true nature.. :D
The next Super conducter with no resistance
But wouldn't stacks and stacks of graphene just become graphite?
Yes, but then it loses many of the unique graphene properties?
I remember reading that a major drawback to the widespread implementation of graphene and carbon nanotubes was an inability to remove it from the ground water in the case of a spill (thinking car crash
Oh goodness, I cant get away from my GCSEs
Gcse chemistry revision coming in clutch
freesciencelessons gang
Fascinating
I'm very interested in this!!!
There is a video where kimi crashes out in Monaco and when they show the garage you are in the video i took a screen shot of it lol
If people can get this technology to be mass produced such as something akin to a textile factory producing fabric but in this case sheets and rolls of graphine. The possibilities are almost endless in human advancement.
That's the biggest challenge for graphene composites etc ...
So interesting!
Ye I remember the whole hype around graphene a few years ago. Really seemed a wonder material. How much is it currently used in F1 at present? Is it used in the Kers system - likely the obvious application with these properties.
Very few applications in F1 yet, but the fluid could be a big one.
ay was expecting the jordan to have a fat dhl logo on the sidepod!
Great tech Marc hope to see more of that in the future!
#askelvis With the engine upgrade from Honda for Red Bull in Baku. How does that fit in the enginepool?
I live in the armpit of hell where it's common to have 100% humidity and plus-100 degree temps from may until early October. When is that fluid going to be available?
I need this as cooling liquid in my PC's water cooling system. I wonder what this stuff will cost per gallon/litre. A 60% increase in performance would mean i would be able to run a smaller radiator and a smaller pc case for the same hardware. I hope this stuff will take off.
Yes, this works. It is more expensive, but not prohibitively so. Only available in large quantities at the moment.
Is Graphene a scarce resource? Amazing innovation and great video 💪
No, not at all.
It’s carbon. A very abundant element.
It does take a lot of energy to make though. And it's bloody hard to make in significant quantities.
If you can crack it and find an affordable way to make it on an industrial scale. Patent it and become filthy ridiculously rich instantly.
But at it's base is just carbon which is abundant.
@@1barnet1 THIS. Even listening to Marc's 2014 sales pitch I'm thinking "ok but how do you make a laboratory material in large scales?" It's like saying we should cover everything with photovoltiacs so that energy will be cheap, abundant, and green. It absolutely would but the hard part is producing the material.
I'm interested in how hard graphene is to produce. I'm guessing very based on Shannon's constant "curb your expectations" reminders.
I am no scientist so i can't tell you. What I do know is that prices are really high and most times very small quantities are shown.
However here they are talking about using graphene as an additive in a fluid.
We don't know the rate but it could be really really small.
Then you don't need that much fluid in an F1 car. Also if the fluid heats up faster you can make the engine blocks smaller (smaller cooling mantle) the fluid also loses it's heat easier in the radiators. Meaning the radiators become smaller.
That means smaller Side-pods and that equals better Aero.
For F1 very interesting regardless of price. For electric production cars..... Well price is already limiting their adoption more then the heat issues.
But then there is space. Every kg in space costs 10.000+ to get there. Losing heat in a vacuum = a bitch. So again possibilities.
But as a sceptic i only see the potential in cutting edge applications with the current graphene production challenges.
Still whenever graphene becomes cheaper a company like this may become extremely valuable for many lubrication manufacturers. Allowing early investors to make a good buck.
If that happens obviously.
Need this for my CPU cooler!
It's used to cool server stacks already...
www.flexegraph.com/single-post/2018/01/19/FlexeGRAPH-graphene-and-2D-materials-available-to-buy
the thermostat will keep the cooling system at the temp it was designed for and a lot of high spec engines simply won't run at lower temps because the metals haven't expanded out yet, even some road cars won't let you cane it till the engines warm.
The advantage here is in the future you can have a smaller cooling system taking up less room for a more aerodynamic car.
For the cars now there's no point, much like my old man putting 60 quid stuff his classic cars rad, it doesn't run cooler, and did fine for 30 years on glycol. Still it keeps him happy.
Yes, exactly, it's not meant to go into existing road cars, any test on my car would simply be to visually demonstrate the difference it makes. We're working with manufacturers, both road and race, to find the best solutions.
If the graphene coolant is 60% more efficient, would that mean that a current, say, petrol engine car would need 60% less cooling liquid in its' system, but then need a 60% bigger radiator to dispose of the extra heat carried in the liquid ? If so, then big technological gains will need to be made in developing better ways of extracting quickly the heat from this graphene based fluid to really make a complete technological step forward.
No, radiators are actually surprisingly efficient, particularly at racing car speeds, so less volume of fluid can carry same heat energy away from affected areas faster and more efficiently.
Marc Skywalker in the thumbnail!
Hey Marc , can these graphene based fluids be used in air conditioners for heat absorption?
Yes many applications.
Really interesting. But, surely the temperature of your engine is controlled by your thermostat and so you will not see any difference. However if you block off half of your radiator it should be able to still run at the correct temperature.
Yes, obviously for a demo like that, I'd have to disconnect the fan and measure warm up etc.
Wait wait wait.....It says you will be the Director of Motorsports and High Performance Engineering, heading up the UK organization???? Congrats!!! Also, if other people want to invest, can they do that?
An *extremely* high risk investment best left to those who do not have to ask that question. They are not listed, so basically you can't. If they look to listing there maybe opportunities around seed money, etc but you are talking 6 figures. They do have competitors. Their partners are impressive.
You listen to me thanks as your all video I loved it
Since you are a tech interested person I really hope that you know that your car will not run cooler unless you have a problem with your car. The cooling system is probably designed to be efficient in all type of environments and you have a thermostat that will keep the coolant at an optimal temperature. So even if you put a more efficient coolant in the car that thermostat will bring it up to operating temperature and keep it there.
Obviously I'd disconnect the fan for the test....
The guest is decent, but doggos needn't be replaced.
In order of priority......jordan, graphene, woman. Great video.
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Cool bananas!!
Absolutely fascinating!!! Definitely will be monitoring this technology...
Been into atom thick graphene ever since I first heard about it nearly 15 years ago. Good move investing I think. Maybe I will do the same.
Thinking about how this can be used in a custom loop water cooled PC. What are the concerns with mixing graphene with aluminium and copper with galvanic corrosion? Would any inhibitors be added to it if there was galvanic corrosion???
This could be placed into a pc and lower temperatures by a significantly lower figure than just distilled water or any commercially available solution today.
Thanks again Marc!!!
Yes, absolutely this works in those applications. Bespoke formulations to include corrosion inhibitors are no problem.
That’s bloody great!!!
Might need to try this, or pass this video over to Steve at GamersNexus or Jay at JayzTwoCents or the Linus Tech Tips team. Reducing a loop by two thirds, those overclocks could be higher, or just more stable!!
Now thinking, this could be used in solar panels or make the Tesla power-walls much more efficient as well. The opportunities are just massive!!!
Yes, I would like 3 gallons of Graphene enhanced engine coolant please.
Engine coolant is one of those areas the tech has never really delivered.
1 question for computer applications.
Demi water is not a great electric conductor(desirable with electronics.)
Does adding graphene which is a very good electric conductor change that property of the fluid?
Yes
I want a Graphene milkshake please.
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Why recharge electric vehicles? It seems like it would be simpler to simply swap a depleted battery for a charged one. If the industry can develop a series of "universal" batteries, there could be "swap" stations instead of gas stations.
It also means the risk and cost of battery failiure can be shared reducing the risk of trying to sell an old electric car. By having specific recharge stations you reduce the number of locations you need to provide the power to for the recharging. It's easier to supply a few locations with large amounts of power than upgrading the whole grid. Those stations could also generate their own power using hydrogen, you then use renewable sources to create hydrogen when not needed for the grid. For example on very windy days or very sunny days.
Another benefit is as the batteries improve all of the older heavier lower capacity batteries can be taken out easily and replaced by the newer batteries. It will simplify the repurposing or recycling of the materials in the old batteries.
Once the battery problem is solved electric cars can be made to last longer as the cost of the replacement batteries will no longer exceed the value of the vehicle as everyone will rent the batteries and pay for the energy used.
Another advantage is you can use a small battery for your day to day driving and swap it out for a larger one for a long drive. The reduced battery weight will also make a large saving in energy and financial terms because you only use the battery you need as you'll still be able to top it up at home. So if you only do 20 miles a day most days you use a lower capacity battery, reducing your energy usage day to day.
The big issue is getting battery design so it uses materials that don't destroy the environment at a reasonable cost in a big enough supply to replace all traditional petroleum powered vehicles. That's the hard bit technically.
And finally when you design the common system make sure it's one that can be changed using an automated machine. If it's even quicker than filling a tank people will want to use electric.
could you put it in fuels
would it burn off or build up inside the engine?
This stuff has been around for about 10 years? Amazing that we're now getting to the point where we can use it.
I remember a poster in my Physics classroom about it and the guys who won the Nobel Prize for it.
Roel Wubben A bit like lasers. They were discovered but it took a long time for anyone to think of a practical use for them. Now they are everywhere.
Graphene was discovered in 2003
@@F1Elvis I didn't know Marc, thanks. The NP came only in 2010 though, for Konstantin Novoselov and André Geim. They have some Dutch history so that's why I remembered.
Oooohhh!!! Some CPU / GPU Overclocking! Cool
Hi Marc, have you ever heard of thermoelectric materials? They can convert heat into electricity. In my opinion they have a great potential to reuse the excess heat from engines and batteries.
What's the word I'm looking for... Energy harvesting!
Does it not work of temperature differences?
I did some work with thermoelectric generators, is that what you are talking about?
@@TharishRavin13
Yes. If the heat removed from the batteries is stored somewhere else, we can generate electricity using the room temperature from the outside of the car.
Part of the problem is that cars want heat to be removed, not kept.
I don't remember if it was a a possibility or an already working case, but I've read that the car exhaust could give a few watts with TE devices.
If he likes Graphene he's gonna love Tromite Crystals.
This must be before the 'Tintin' look came back into fashion.
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Cool, can I get 2,5 ltr of the stuff for my watercooled pc?
The shirt is fine i have just like it big up NEXT
Awesome, keep pushing technology. Can you buy some of it to test ?
I have some and will be testing it in a video and a number of F1 and FE teams are already testing it.
@@F1Elvis Im in a Formula Student team. Can we have some as well ? :)
Only really available in large quantities at the moment I'm afraid.
@@F1Elvis yeah, I know :D waiting to see tests :)
I want a Graphene nut for my Fender Stratocaster and would also not object if it was able to cool CPUs & GPUs of computers and phones :)
You can make graphene yourself!!! Just get some scotch tape and place it on some graphite and you will probably get some graphene (which as Marc said, is just an atom layer thick of carbon)
Guys, the holy grail is to produce batteries that don't get hot. Graphene will do that.
Maybe, eventually.
It's going to be like the no damage option on your xbox game.
Marc, Do you know Andy Burton of PWR ? There maybe synergies worth exploring ? or talk to Kees Weel in Oz. Just a thought but maybe a good one.
Thanks, we're actually working with PWR at the moment! 👍
@@F1Elvis ; What about Haas ? They use a bit (exaggeration!) of coolant. Sounds like another natural synergy. Ha(a)s that started? They also have testing facilities and video which would make good background footage.
@@F1Elvis ; Have Flexegraph run their fluid through the PWR tunnel ? If so do you have a link to the published results ? If not perhaps you could film it to use different edts for use by PWR, PWH, FGR, Flexegraph and of coarse F1Elvis ? Even if it's been done you could do a post test video showing the tunnel (it looks hi-tech enough for a movie prop especially the fluids side with pipes and tanks, etc) and how it's specialised bits work, flow rates, etc. It might be very good promo material for all involved?
Perhaps I should have mentioned Kees has background footage that could be used of the tunnel including thermal camera stuff that i still get excited about, it still seems like magic to me, perhaps you are the same?
There is a fundamental problem with graphene in F1. F1 is very much aware that tech development budgets have got out of control and they are looking for ways to level the playing field between the big and small F1 teams. They are already standardising many components. With the price of graphene materials being immense, I can't see the F1 controlling body allowing it.
Zadster Came here to say this. After watching the wing elements get vastly watered down after 2018 to try and give teams with less wind tunnel budgets a chance, it’d be tough to imagine graphene being allowed in other than spec parts
@@ThirdPlanetRocks that's not why they simplified the front wing. All the shit 'furniture' sitting on top of the 2018 wings didn't add down force, it just controlled the air around the front tyres.
Also, it's the time that's limited in the wind tunnel and CFD, in an attempt to reduce cost and to even the playing field. Where top teams really gain an advantage there is having more funds to produce real models to test and confirm the CFD results.
Hi Marc. The company founded in Australia, is it a public company?
Can we invest on it? Is it an exchange listed company?
No
No
Could this translate to heat exchangers for cooling and/or heating homes etc?
Yes
Have you thought about the reemergence of the Space Race?
Hi Marc, how will coolant with graphene be disposed of?
Same way any other coolant's disposed of...
Is that the other chem mix as Graphene is non toxic isn't it so not the issue in itself.
My next phone of graphine and 1 atom thick
Asia Streets you’d slice your fingers off trying to hold the phone
How can I become a shareholder too?
Marc what about the FIA - don't the regs specify allowed materials in many key areas (not coolant afaik) making Graphene's potential in many F1 areas defendant on the FIA changing the rules. Will they do that when they want to cut costs. I can see a short term huge expense in rolling out Graphene in f1 even if it plays to its high tech future. FE and usage in batteries/ecu looks interesting and perhaps you might get a more sympathetic ear there.
No, nothing preventing the use of graphene coolant in the regs. It isn't a huge cost increase at all actually.
Just to be clear the cost I was referring to was other areas of f1 if graphene replaces Cf.
The question would then be if Graphene is so good as a coolant (and it looks it) why haven't f1/FE jumped on it already. Whats the sticking point...?
I can't see the benefits of Graphene would be achieved if they had to limit the concentration to an additive level.
Yes. Your hair is something we were ALL paying attention to.... Nimrod.
I need a graphene CPU cooler
This very recording seems quite old - or MP seems quite young to put it in other words
Well, as I said the first bit was a few years ago, but I won't take offence! 😂
thermal conductivity is one thing what about the specific heat capacity ?
poplab.stanford.edu/pdfs/PopVarshneyRoy-GrapheneThermal-MRSbull12.pdf
SHC remains very high, similar to water...
Marc Priestley graphene will be the next super conducter since it allows energy transfer with little to no resistance
Is the company public? How can others get in this. This has huge potential for electric cars and super computing, both of which need quick, energy efficient cooling systems, not to mention aerospace and medical technology.
No it's not public. It is extremely high risk ! There is a lot of competition and most of them will not endure.
No, it's not.
@@buildmotosykletist1987 Don't worry kid, I've made enough money in investing to know what I can risk or not. Don't assume you know who you're talking to.
@@alexlamas6324 ; G'day Alex, I'm sorry you took my reply in that light. I am just a kid with wrinkles who doesn't know much but that gives an advantage on those who do know more.
what about using Unobtainuim from the sphere of Avitar? There has got to be a million uses for it. Besides, are we not mining for it right now?!
Marc, As graphene is very light-weight, can you tell us how many grams of graphene are in the sample you will be testing. Also is it possible to tell us the volume of that weight of graphene? I'm trying to envisage the physical size of a metric tonne of PureGRAPH.
Marc, I'm still very, very interested in how many milligrams of pureGraph graphene are in your 100ml?, 250ml? or 500ml? sample and the sample type and dilution rate, Graphene, MoS2 or h-BN? BTW, I'm tempted to play with it in a British classic that can be rather challenged in Aussie summers which is the time I mostly play these toys.
I have however been able to estimate that volume of a metric tonne would be in the range of 75,000 litres or 75m^3 (that's a lot of volume for that weight and surprising considering thickness of layers). Does that sound like the right ball-park to you?
The formulation is bespoke for each application, so we create a fluid for a certain set of parameters and to achieve a certain result. It's not an off-the-shelf product.