The Amazonians in the comics are really messed up, they literally kidnap sailors essentially mate with then kill them and then kill any male babies born by throwing them in the ocean, honor means different things to different folks it seems. Took Hephaestus striking a deal with them to adopt the male children to stop this practice, they still kill the men they sleep with though.
@@InservioLetumshe literally hasnt had a good writer in decades. Then again alot of characters havent. Dc and marvel have really shat the bed on writing for awhile now.
The thing about Harley here is that she’s accepting of her actions. She hasn’t changed her mannerisms because they don’t need changing, but her morals/conscience and subsequent behaviour has. Harley knows where she draws the line at ‘crazy but good’ and ‘lunatic’. Wonder Bread here has a classic moral myopia. She looks back on the Regime and looks at where it failed to continue tactically, not where it failed ideologically. Ironically they aren’t too dissimilar and very typical of totalitarian governments. They made too many enemies.
@@SamaritanPrime At this point in time yes. Harley’s history of accomplice to not only the nuking of Metropolis but a long litany of other crimes is never to be forgotten and very few would forgive her, herself included. But she’s trying. The acknowledgment and effort to atone for it in this moment does make her the better person here.
@@gamingnerd3476 Only when she's written badly. Wonder Woman in that movie that isn't 1984 is pretty good. She was also good in, I think, Justice League War? Wonder Woman, when she isn't always an angry feminist who thinks she's above everything, can be done well.
The fact that Harley knows exactly what she's talking about on a psychological level makes more sense as to why Wonder Woman was at loss of words, she knew she was right.
0:35-0:37 perfectly capture not just the expression of anger, but the "I'm pissed because I know you're right" anger. The "I'm trying to think of a retort" anger.
I love how she doesn’t deny her blood shed but acknowledges why it happened in the first place. And though she’s not completely redeemable that doesn’t stop her from doing what’s right. Never would I ever expect her to be lecturing wonder woman the embodiment of truth but Here we are. I like how you get the vibe that Harley is so crazy but she spouting some psychologist shit
Make up? She basically joins the resistance because she wants to avenge her beau the joker. She never showed remorse over the fact that she murdered a pregnant woman along with a city full of people. Both batman and his clown bitch are goddamn hypocrites. Sure injustice wonder woman was a tyrannical asshole but that doesn't absolve batlord and clown bitch of their sins and the part they played in this whole thing.
Joker is better without Harley Quinn and Harley is better without Joker. Just look at every movie with Joker in it (except Jared Leto), and Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad 2
@@galibx2332 The issue I have is not that he died, but that it _took him dying_ for Harley to distance herself from him. I wish she could’ve done so before! And then Joker can die if he wants I mean the story works well enough.
The best version of Harley always plays into her amazing ability to read everyone because shes a licensed therapist that worked at what one would think would be the most competitive job in that field at Arkham studying all the people there. I love seeing the ability to read everyone like a book, perhaps better than anyone else in DC.
you know, I kinda wished there was more to show that trait of hers. If I recall correctly, not even the TV show does a lot with that, but it's kind of a compelling trait due to the irony in it. (she's a chaotic/impulsive character but she does have the knowledge/academic-backgound to be pretty smart, or at least, be capable of reading other's issues on a deep psychological level with enough info and exposure to them).
@@jeom3808 The harley quinn animated tv show did bring up this fact. They made a whole episode where she diagnoses herself. And she is very spot on about her condition
Gotta admit that’s pretty badass of Harley (an “average” human with gymnastics, a few screws loose and a PHD) to stand up against Diana (a Demi-god) and call her out on her hypocritical BS.
Arrogance is something really Diabolical, Wonder Tranny for having powers cowardly kills Harley who has no powers, for not liking her opinion, Super Girl for having Super powers shows Wonder Tranny what it is to be humiliated by someone more powerful.
@@brandonfitzgerald1457 It might be calling the kettle black but the one that isn't suppose to be black is black or something. I lost track of the metaphor but the point is Harley Quinn was a bad guy she did bad shit now she's making up for it but Wonder Woman is suppose to be a good guy. A beacon of wisdom for the JL and she's blowing it.
@@brandonfitzgerald1457 Harley Quinn always goes to Arkham asylum because she's not in a right state of mind. She still isn't but now she at least isn't a danger to herself or others.
@@destroyerblackdragon you just gave a reason why she should be imprisoned she's still not in the right State of Mind I don't care if she's a little less dangerous
Harley as a hero has such a fun combination of traits, sassy wit, a phd in psychology, and a level of crazy that means she can take a sword to the gut and still be lucid. I love how she twists around Wonder Woman's argument of hypocrisy into a shot against her ongoing loyalty to superman's genocidal ideology. You can see the condescending look on wonder woman's face when she says "you lecture me?". I dare say everyone's been in that position, where someone in a position of power talks down to you when they're in the wrong. So Harely being completely unfazed and firing back feels all the better. On another side note, I don't know if this is intentional, but it feels like Harley told supergirl to sit back and watch because she knew how wonder woman would respond and was hoping supergirl would see her true colors.
It's funny you mention Superman's "genocidal ideology"... Because Superman's ideology has nothing to do with genocide. He's an authoritarian dictator, not a genocidal maniac. Joker, and his accomplice Harley, however, killed 10 million people and wiped out a city... That's much closer to a genocide than anything Superman did. Harley helped kill more people than Superman's regime could even dream. And she has the AUDACITY to continue wearing her clown outfit... Wonder Woman should have gone for the HEAD...
True. Supes may have been the one doing the actual damage and that's always gonna be on him, but what exactly was Diana's motivation for exploiting his grief and exacerbating an already awful scenario? Nothing. She had no stake in any of this, personal or otherwise, beyond being a hero and all she did was make a bad situation worse.
@@CCLOSPINA Harley was directly under the thumb of the Joker AND found redemption. She became a force against the tyranny of Superman and Wonder Woman. Wonder Woman’s role in this was purely as the devil over Superman’s shoulder. Her only goal was to help Superman reign evil over the world. That’s it. She wanted him and she wanted him to do bad things.
Harley has the best redemption/character arc. She went from being an evil man’s puppet to being a independent, confident, selfless woman who’s trying to make up for her past by saving lives and kicking ass. Harley Quinn is truly the best.
It's ironic how Wonder Woman says Harley should not lecture her about not murdering people after all the harm she has done, but that is precisely what makes her qualified to do it- that and her PhD as a psychologist
Harley's learning from her mistakes and making herself better for it, while Diana's in this perpetual state of denial. She's the orchestrator in the aftermath of Joker's chaos, while the clown's former side girl is working to end it.
@@liamlennon3316 Harley "helped" nuke a city. I know it's a small difference and there is nothing she can do to make up for it, but she willingly signed up to try and stop Superman which considering she helped kindnap Lois would be a death sentence the moment Superman laid eyes on her- if not for the plot protection. Her trying to clean up her act in spite of it being impossible is also what makes wonder woman's hypocrisy even more glaring.
@@NJ-eo2oc how? 💀 it’s literally her character arc. A woman escaping an abusive relationship that she gained self awareness on is trying her hardest to become what can slightly be viewed as a hero. This moment alone shows how self aware she’s become to the point where she calls out a relationship that resembles the one she escaped. She putting that PhD to work.
Harley, with absolute ease, manages to turn one of the most powerful regime members against her allies. She starts a chain of events that lead to a kyptonian being on the side of good, balancing the scales tremendously. Girl's no clown. She just wears the make-up as a distraction.
That PhD in psychology ain’t just there for shits and giggles, you know. Harley knew EXACTLY what she was doing, and probably had every intention of being run through by Wonder Woman. Girl was a mastermind AND a martyr all in one, took a sword to the gut just to show Kara who the real monsters are.
this is one of the reasons why I think Harley as a character is so interesting, we often see intelligence and order paired together, but that isn't always true. It's easy to think someone who is smart is emotionally stable or what could only be described as "wise" but that isn't always the case. Plenty of smart people hold opinions that don't really make sense when reflected on or applied. This is quite evident with the "ex-joker harley" thing that's starting to go on. Bad written harleys are, well, quite common, having a token girl power thing is great for seeming inclusive so a lot of incarnations don't really try to write her very well at all. But some really do, and it works quite well. Strangely enough, she parallels batman quite a lot. In the Suicide Squad movie (the good one, not that one) we see her follow the same exact principles as Batman. When the obvious villain says something obviously villainous she straight up kills him then and there, not to be a hero or do the right thing, but just because she realized "that's a red flag" and wasn't going down that route again. This parallels Batman's no-killing rule which he made before he ever started being the Bat specifically because he reasoned that, while torture, killing, guns, etc. may not make you inherently villainous, (I mean, if billions of lives are at stake, killing one isn't inherently a "villainous" act if it's done out of necessity) not doing those things are insurance that you won't ever become villainous. It's a hard and fast rule to prevent his judgement being clouded going forward because, while he is extremely intelligent, he is also well aware that the world gets complicated, and complications, emotional situations, etc. can make him still make the wrong choices. If your noticing a parallel with that Harley scene, you're not wrong, because that is literally the same logic, she knows emotionally she is unstable and has a history of picking the wrong people because they make her feel nice, so she made a promise to herself to follow hard and fast rules against red flags. TLDR : Ex-joker Harley can be an excellent insight into the distinction between stability and intellect and how someone who is smart enough to recognize their own instability might act on it all the while creating an interesting narrative parallel between Batman himself buuuuut sometimes she is written like crap just because having a female lead get over an abusive relationship gets feminism points, even if you throw all of the interesting character dynamics in the trash while doing it. A well written Ex-Joker Harley shows exactly what a "strong female character" should be, a female, that is strong as a character, *_not_* a character who is female and is strong.
Ok wow this is a very well-reasoned explanation of Batman's no-killing rule, and that was just a supporting argument for another well-reasoned argument. I like this.
@@ariadame102 none of those are chaotic characters. Mr. Freeze is trying to rescue someone he loves, Dr. Doom is trying to rule the world (in some incarnations because he believes him ruling the world is the only way to save it) and basically every "mad scientist" isn't mad at all. They might be crazy, but not mad. At the core of just about every mad scientist isn't insanity or chaos, but rather a motivating factor that they have placed immense internal weight on. Losing someone close to you and feeling sad or grieving isn't chaotic, it's entirely rational, but Dr. Freeze took that rational response and amplified it to an extreme. His reaction is no less rational or thought out, it's just a non-measured response. Same with Dr. Doom (operating under the interpretation that he IS trying to take over the world so that it can prosper, AND that he is wrong in that assertion, although I vaguely remember one time a god that could see the future actually saying he was right on that, buuuuut I don't recall exactly and might be misremembering that) he had a fucked up past and now a mix of egotistical narcissism and genuine altruism motivates him to attempt to rule the world. If you believed that the world would go to ruin, except in the ONE circumstance that you were ruling it, and you had the technological and magical know-how of Dr. Doom, AND his traumatic backstory, yeah, trying to rule the world is an extreme response, but it's also not an unpredictable one, ergo not chaotic. Ex-Joker-Harley however has had several fairly mainstream conflicting outcomes, from being a hero trying to set things right, to striking out on her own as a villain, and even in the middle, where it's kind of unclear where you would pin her on the scale. And yet, despite that massive range of outcomes, it always feels in character. As an example, Dr. Doom, really had no other paths, giving his backstory, his beliefs, etc. he was going to try to be a villain. (or at least antagonist if that time god said he was actually right but, once again, don't remember for sure) I mean FFS the good guys don't try to rule the world. Harley by contrast, well lets keep her very much "not going down that road again" hate for the Joker, that can apply in basically any way. She could try to position herself as an antithesis to him, trying to do good and right her wrongs, in the process trying to fight her chaotic tendencies. Instead she could interpret turning good for trading the Joker for just another cause, and break out on her own, only looking out for herself and trying to maximize how much she gets out of the world. Or, maybe she does what she has in a few interpretations and starts/joins a crew, trading out an abusive relationship to a collaborative team. But then, that team, is it good, or bad, would she see working for the greater good as being at the cost to herself, and associate that with her past relationship with the Joker, or, would she see being bad as being more closely linked to the joker. Unlike the "mad" scientist archetype, she has no predictable outcome, ergo, chaotic.
@@robonator2945 Feeling grieve and sadness towards the loss of loved ones is not at all rational, it's actually irrational, as all emotions tend to be. A rational response to the loss of a companion is to seek alternatives or replacements, not to burden oneself with emotions that serve no practical purpose. Heck, emotional attachment itself contradicts rationality, and human beings are much more irrational than they are rational. Amplifying an irrational response to the extreme is most definitely chaotic. What you described are "understandable" behaviors, not rational, not even close. Mad and scientists go hand in hand because of the nature of science. Science explores the unknown, which necessitates challenging, and sometimes breaking, the established orderly systems. This is why mad scientists in fictions typically engage in immoral dangerous experiments, and value progresses (chaos) over opinions of the masses (order). Whatever their specific background/reason may be, it does not change this element of chaos in their ethos that characterizes the archetype. It may contextualize the chaos, sure, doesn't make it any less chaotic.
@@ariadame102 by that logic then EVERYONE is chaotic fundamentally so it's a useless term. If you called every spec of dust in space a planet, I don't care what you call a planet, you have defined the word out of meaning. If grieving over someone you know dying is a fundamentally "chaotic" response then you have successfully made the word "chaotic" mean literally nothing since it applies to everything short of Shockwave tier pure logical processing. Your so focussed on trying to fit your definitions into words you havent bothered to check if they make sense, like calling scientific progress "chaos". There is nothing chaotic about technological development, it moves in an entirely predictable path. As time passes, excluding edge case factors such as war or other disasters, technological progress steadily increases. There is nothing chaotic about that, that is a clear, reliable, and indisputable pattern, by definition, not chaotic.
In the comics filling in the 5 years between the detonation and Injustice, its made pretty explicitly clear how much of Superman's turn to the dark side is the fault of this universe's Wonder Woman. She enabled and pushed him to the worse possible decision at every juncture. While allies like Flash and Green Lantern were damned slowly until they were in too deep, she sprinted gleefully down the road to Hell. The Injustice universe wouldn't have worked without Wonder Woman being the monster that she is there. If she had been more like her main universe counterpart, she'd have been able to rally the League against Superman and is one of the few characters strong enough to outright stand against him.
I'm almost afraid to ask, but what was this version of Wonder Woman like in the animated movie? I know that the movie changed a LOT of things, but is this Wonder Woman still pretty much a villain or did she get redemption like Superman did in the movie?
@@Ability-King-KK I try not to think about that movie. . . Aside from seeing the middle finger key animated which was absolutely hilarious in Year 5, the movie as a whole was terrible. They cut too much and even rolled in the period between Injustice 1 and 2 with the Amazo/Ra's Al-Ghul story line. Injustice deserved better. It should have been multiple movies or a series.
Diana has a reason for being the way she is in the Injustice Universe, though. Injustice Steve Trevor was a Nazi spy and used Diana to cripple the Allied Forces under the pretense of helping them stop the Nazis. He even admitted while being held by the Lasso of Truth that he really did love her despite the monstrosities he made her commit, which broke her and made her snap his neck.
And this is why I prefer Harley Quinn as a hero now because at least she admits that she was in the wrong for helping joker but Wonder Woman Never admits that it’s all her fault that Clark became a tyrant it made everything horribly worse by Hooking up with him after he killed the joker.
She definitely played a major part, but it is not fair and over simplistic to say "it's all her fault". I mean you obviously have to blame the Joker for Metropolis and for the death of Lois and their son. You also have to blame Harley as his accomplice even if she is now doing everything she can to atone for her mistakes. Batman was too harsh in his rebuke of Superman which drove a wedge between Superman and one of the few people who might (and I do have to emphasize the word "might") have been able to pull him back from the brink; the fact he was willing to forgive and even embrace Harley after Metropolis likely did not help in this regard. Hal Jordan, Flash, Wonder Woman, Shazam, and many others all enabled Superman's descent into madness and tyranny to various degrees. And of course a good chunk of the blame has to fall on Superman himself. After all, despite what anyone else did or failed to do, at the end of the day he is the one who made the choices that he did. He could have decided not to kill anyone else after killing Joker. Conversely, he could have chosen to limit his killings to murderers, rapists, and existential threats to the Earth (like Darkseid and Brainiac) like Red Hood. Sadly, those are not the choices he made, but ultimately they were his choices.
The issue with Superman/WW getting together is WW if not both of them are enablers to each other to their not-so-good impulses due to both being in the top tier of most powerful beings on earth. WW has a brush with this in the mainline DC comics with her suggesting they interfere with a war going on in a middle eastern country and that "no one could stop them" before Batman who was listening from the shadows firmly shuts her down. While it's unfair to say the core problem is WW and that it's all on her, she DOES come from a more militant background than Clark. Which is fine and rather benign, and she does have a moral faceted view beyond that...but you add Supes to the mix, and the moral guard rails start to become a bit thinner because "no one could stop them" together, and you get the moral cliff of doing "more" to make the world a better place by any means neccesary.
They really did a good job of making Wonder Woman unlikable in this. There's the big evil she's committing siding with Superman, but there are also her expressions that show the little things she's thinking - like, "How dare she say that about me. I'M WONDER WOMAN!"
Holy shit I hate those types of characters. "You dare say that about the great ME?!" "Get up you wench! The great ME ordered you to fight them!" Those are the types I smile about while they die.
They made her into a corruptor, the devil on superman's shoulder that led him into darker places than he ever would've got without her. Scarecrow's fight with her puts all that out in the open. She knows what she did.
This is hands down my favorite version of Harley Quinn since she rejected the Joker, joined Batman's team, and proves that she's more than what most people assume of her. I love it when she confronts this evil Wonder Woman not only to correct her mistakes but to show Supergirl the ugly truth about her mentors.
Damn. The best roast of the Injustice 2 Story. First Scarecrow, now Harley Quinn. Two doctors spitting facts about Wonder Wench. That "kinda like you with Superman" line was just an icing on the cake.
And THAT'S why I love Harley Quinn in this game. She knows that she was doing the wrong things. Wonder Woman on the other hand, doesn't want to admit that to herself. Hell, that's why Scarecrow's Fear Toxin worked the way it did on her.
If you’ve read the comics as well, you know Wonder Woman is the real villain here.. she literally instigates and pulls strings to make Clark dive further into madness. This iteration of Wonder Women is the absolute worst. Which is why Harley calling her out makes her so angry because she knows she’s right.
I wouldn't place the blame squarely on Wonder Woman. While she does escalate the situation and enable Superman - he is still responsible for his own actions. The true cause of the events of the Injustice story is not Wonder Woman, or even the Joker - those were catalysts setting events in motion - the true cause are traits that Superman has always had, in every adaptation of his character: the belief that humans are weak and fragile, and his fear of being alone. Because of these fundamental flaws in his character, his over-compensation for the loss of Lois and Metropolis is perfectly understandable, a reaction that most incarnations of Superman would probably share if put in the same situation - he is so desperate to protect humanity, that he will go to any length to ensure their safety, even if it means taking away their freedom, or even killing people who threaten that safety. This is why the premise of Injustice, "Superman goes bad", while it seems completely opposite of the Superman we're used to, is actually an exploration of the Superman we already knew, when his fundamental character flaws come to the forefront of the story. (Note: I'm not saying Superman is a bad character - all good characters, whether Heroes or Villains should have some specific flaw, intrinsic to their nature and personality, that they must overcome or be defeated by it.)
@@LadyDoomsinger yeah I hated slogging through that giant paragraph you just made l, I still place a large majority of the blame on her Superman simply couldn’t handle the fact that he lost Lois and his child. Yes he is still responsible for his own actions however he had chances to stop what he was doing but didn’t and anytime he started to question things wonder women was there. Instigating plotting being manipulative. That’s all I’m saying
@@thatguySmitty234 Also to add on to your point. Wonder woman is no weakling. She could have the smarts power and warrior experience necessary to fight superman on equal ground. This is why I love injustice, It shows deep flaws in the dc characters that would not be made apparent on more typical comic entry's.
Well that makes harley wrong about one thing, it isn't the same as her and Joker (though that's her not accepting responsibility and blaming someone else for her actions) because the right man went wrong because of the wrong woman.
See, that's one of the many points of Injustice that shows that whoever wrote this game understands Harley. Harleen is still there, she's not the random psycho that the DCEU seems to portray her as. I still think old Harley seen at the end of Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker is her canonical ending.
Arrogance is something really Diabolical, Wonder Tranny for having powers cowardly kills Harley who has no powers, for not liking her opinion, Super Girl for having Super powers shows Wonder Tranny what it is to be humiliated by someone more powerful.
The really messed up thing in this strange story is that Superman turned evil just because he lost his wife and child while Wonder Woman turned evil… Just to hook up with Superman? I mean, for “Greatest heroes” it didn’t take much to break them.
@@brandonfitzgerald1457 Yeah really in this universe Harley is trying to at least reform herself. Diana is on the other hand encouraging Superman to be a mass murdering fascist and is attempting to take over the world
I always loved the fact that any time someone calls out Wonderbread for manipulating Superman and trying to get with him she just immediately goes for the kill. She'll argue about right and wrong nonstop on self proclaimed moral highground, but even she knows she can't justify what she is doing there.
This scene works so well because it highlights some of Injustice's major themes. A lifetime of bad isn't excused when you try to do good, but neither is a lifetime of good an excuse to be bad when you feel it is "necessary".
That second one is so true! Sadly in real life we let people do bad things again and again because they have done good before. An example is the man who would artificially inseminate women for a living. The women would bring the sperm of their husband and the man would take the sperm, throw it out, go into another room, masturbate and use his own sperm to get the woman pregnant. This wasn’t discovered until the man was already and old fart. He wasn’t punished because he’s been a good member of the community, church and so on. I feel disgusted every time I think about what this asshole did.
Well,the end justifies the means so that point is kinda moot. Because let's face it,if Batman would've just ended the Joker like he was supposed to even though it was against the law,multitudes of lives could've been saved. So,I'd be more understanding if a good person snapped and did something amoral than an evildoer who did years of wickedness but decides that they wanna be good and expects the world to just pardon them like nothing happened.
@@wilykat Hey, it's not Batman's fault Gotham doesn't have the Death Penalty. With all the times he's been sent to Arkham, the State had plenty of opportunities to euthanize him. But nooo, they insist on trying to rehabilitate someone who doesn't want to be rehabilitated.
@@stevenhiggins3055 It's more Batman's responsibility than it is with Arkham or the state because the Joker is obsessed with breaking Batman and goes out of his way to commit heinous crimes in order to do so. Batman is even partly responsible for the Joker being created in the first place so he should be the one to put him down.
Sometimes it's hard to believe that Harley Quinn has only been around since the 90s, and that she was a character created specifically for that Batman cartoon. I can understand why some people think negatively of her because of staying in an abusive relationship, Fiat giving her a redemption Arc is absolutely amazing to watch.
Always drives me crazy when people keep girl-bossing Harley Quinn. The whole point of her entire character is that she was manipulated by the Joker to be something she's not. Scars run deep so she can't just *go back* but that doesn't mean she should be destined to be this airey little child of violence, especially when she tends to only get more violent when you take her away from the Joker which makes zero sense to me. Modern interpretations want me to celebrate a caricature of what she is but I'm glad Injustice realizes that people don't stay the same when saved from their abusers and enablers. That's why I'm happier with Injustice's version of the character.
I feel like a lot of modern adaptations of Harley try way too hard to make her a Deadpool-clone. Breaking the fourth wall, dispensing constant jokes, being silly and random. That's not what made the fans fall in love with Harley when she was originally introduced as the Jokers side-kick (originally intended to be a one-off in a single episode of the Animated Batman). I've always thought Harley was the Tragedy to the Joker's Comedy; while he was laughing and fooling around, chasing batman and causing mayhem; she was the consequence, an example of how he damaged the people around him, and how being drawn into his madness could become an inescapable spiral of abuse and violence. She was also a damn good representation for domestic abuse and mental illness - but for some reason all the potential for deep themes and contemplations of intelligent issues were pushed aside to make her a laughing stock. While I love Harley Quinn in the Injustice series, my favorite adaptation of her character is in the comic *Harleen* by *Stjepan Sejic* - which is a reimagining of her origin story, fairly faithful to her original character, but with it's own more emotional take on it.
From what I see if Harley is given a chance to be a hero AND is sick of Joker's abuse then she leaves and tries to redeem herself. If Joker is killed or dies while she's under the dilussion that he actually likes her instead of seeing him for who he always is then she dives even deeper into the Harly Quinn side and goes up to 11 in sadism with less theatrics since there's no Joker to preform for.
This is what redemption is: Harley had a long long way ahead of her, after what she did. Still, with Batman's code everyone deserves a second chance, and Harley hasn't wasted it. Irl it probably wouldn't be that simple, but hey, it's a videogame about comic characters. Carry on 🤣 Of course, that's not going to erase her sins. Nothing will. That's not redemption. Redemption is about writing new pages, that can help you bear with your sins. Harley is at least honest about it. She's not saying "hey look, I murdered millions of innocents and I'm still free to do it". She's just admitting being wrong in the past and decided to move on, being a better person. Wonder Woman, on the other hand, had no arguments regarding turning Superman into what he became, and resorted to violence. Of course. And that makes her better than Harley, I guess? Kinda reminds me of Internet debates that end with "kys" 😒
@@menacelurkingyet8345 indeed, some of them are. But Batman didn't give Joker a chance for redemption, and he never asked for it. He just fulfilled his code of not killing every time and called it a day. I know this is a superhero story, but if Batman is really that resourceful, he should have done something, after the 2749th time Joker escaped from Arkham
@@pn33milan11 Or, even better, the Joker should've been executed. That way, there's not even an argument that Bruce is betraying his code and Joker stops being able to hurt anyone else. But, of course that won't happen because Joker's too popular to die (at least permanently)
A lot of people acted like Green Lantern didn't deserve a second chance, yet a lot of people here agree that Harley does. Honestly, if Harley can be redeemed, I don't see why Green Lantern can't; they're practically in the same boat. Both killed a LOT of innocent people (in Hal's case, his fellow Green Lanterns), but both now seek to atone for those evil deeds.
Harley had reasons for how she was, she was sick and had her mental instabilities stoked by an individual that knew all the right buttons to push. Lantern was a dick, he murdered guy Gardner in cold blood because sinestro said he killed Jon Stewart, and before that attacked him because Guy saved his girls life. He went on to be partly responsible for the green lantern corps defeat that day as he betrayed all of his friends and loved ones. On top of that he then went on to continue performing horrible acts as a yellow lantern, he stood idly by and attempted to justify Shazam's death, tried fighting flash when flash actually grew a conscience, attempted to kill batman a couple times and only stopped because he was forced to by the good superman during the events of the first game. Many wouldn't think him deserving because of how easily he was swayed into believing superman and how easily he turned on his friends, that kind of demonstration compromises trust and makes it difficult to want to give them a second chance. Harley Quinn never betrayed anyone but herself, she had her fascinations with the joker but him being dead and her experiencing interactions with others proved she was never a bad person, simply misguided and a little loopy.
@@adambrown6669 HELLO!!! Harley used to work at Arkham Asylum! The Joker was her patient before being enamored by him! She betrayed her co-workers at Arkham! She's also had a nasty habit of leaving Joker when he abused her only to be EASILY SWAYED back to him later! Furthermore, she helped Joker trick Superman into killing Lois/blowing up Metropolis! Never a bad person the sticks that are up Batman and Superman's rears! On the subject of Guy Gardner; I find it a pretty ironic. How many fans actually like Guy? Hardly any! In fact, I can't even find any that don't utterly HATE HIS GUTS! I mean, I don't really hate him, but I understand why most people do. He's rude and spiteful to an obnoxious degree and is seen as little more than a joke because of that, even in-universe. Then he gets killed; and suddenly fans start considering him relevant. Class can we spell "Two-Faced?". As for Shazam, I honestly don't think even Hal believed himself. I believe he was lying both to Flash and himself. He was probably just too afraid to go against Superman himself. Did that make him a coward? Well... yes, it did. Of course, that undoubtedly came from being a Yellow Lantern. Now, you say he was easily swayed; but that's not really a fair statement. Nearly the whole Justice League followed Superman's lead after his dark descent, but they didn't do so in ignorance. They were shaken by Joker's accomplishment. Fear is what drove them; unfortunately for worse. Even Flash went along with the Regime as they took out Green Arrow and other heroes that opposed them, their FRIENDS! He also served as an emissary, along with Shazam, for Superman to get Aquaman into a contract to turn over Atlantis to Superman's control, after Superman blackmailed Aquaman by putting Atlantis in the middle of a desert! Flash didn't turn against the regime until he witnessed Superman kill one of their own teammates over a simple question of order! Harley too also didn't turn away from Joker just because he abused her; she need a push from Lex, an encouragement to leave him. So, Green Lantern? Flash? Harley? They're all in the same boat! They've done things they regret, awful things; and yes, Flash standing by as people got killed as disproportionate punishment counts. Flash himself is burdened by it; he no doubt regrets not trying to stop Superman from killing Shazam. As for Harley and Hal, they both want a second chance; and Harley is not a lick better than Hal in this instance. Still, I guess some DC fans, or should I say BATMAN fans, will make any excuse, and I mean ANY excuse to agree with Batman.
The green lantern problem is that he showed up and just said "hey, I'm good now after training" after being straight up evil in injustice 1. Though, to be fair the first game didn't really touch why he changed to yellow lantern. Which kinda justify his motive. We should've seen the moment he realized what he was doing.
@@devaraft I'm pretty sure he realized it when Flash did but wasn't brave enough to turn against Superman; being a Yellow Lantern didn't help. Also, notice that Hal only stood down when confronted with Earth-One's Superman? I feel that reinforces my point about him being afraid of Superman.
Hal does deserve redemption and gets his chance to prove it when Atrocious tries to manipulate him into taking up the Red Ring and becoming a Red Lantern, but Hal refuses stating that if he becomes a Red Lantern he could become a monster that was just as bad or worse then the Regime Enforcer/Executioner he was as the Yellow Lantern and even goes on to tell Atrocious that he's not letting his will falter to where he makes that bad call a 2nd time as Batman, the Green Lantern Corps, and the Guardians have given him a chance at redemption and he's not wasting it.
I think that after the events of the second one, the series hit a dead end. And there were two of them, either Superman being banished into the Void with little to no chance of return or Superman becoming an Overlord. Where should it go on from there? Who would be the antagonist of Injustice 3?
@@YAH93 I'd say it'd probably be Darkseid. i don't remember if superman killed him in the comics (i know he kicked darkseid's son's butt at least), but yeah Darkseid is the only one i can think of who would be on that planet level threat where they would need all the heroes.
@@YAH93 There are theories that the leader of the Black Lantern Corp, Nekron, could be the main villain of the third game, meaning that characters who were killed by the regime could come back to haunt them. As for the two endings, NetherRealm could do the same thing they did with Mk11 Aftermath where they start the story off with Batman’s ending after he sent Superman to the phantom zone and then release dlc for people to play Injustice 3’s story from Superman’s ending.
Deep down, Wonder Woman knew Harley was right about her trying so hard to please Super-Man. She just couldn't stand being told that the 2nd time, let alone by the ex clown princess of crime. Deathsroke even said something similar to her in the 1st Injustice video game. Wonder Woman: You were offered amnesty, Deathstroke you should've taken it. Deathstroke: And miss my chance to battle Super-Man's rebound girl? Wonder Woman: How DARE YOU?! I'm an Amazon! Even Supergirl had a point: Amazons are supposed to fight with honor.
That lip twitch said it all, Wonder Woman knows she can't weasel her way out of this accurate callout. I do like to see a reforming villain verbally destroy a self-styled "hero".
It made no sense, though. And Wonder Woman is gifted with the wisdom of Athena (besides other Gods' features) so getting flustered over this is out of character. Hailey accumulated "buckets of blood" trying to impress a mass murderer. Said mass murderer led Superman to enforce a new system of rule which of course leads to other "buckets of blood" to stop relentless mass murderers. WW is helping Superman achieve that lofty, utopian goal while Hailey did it for the lols along with aimless Joker.
@@Tretas.Wonder Bread is helping to attain that goal by imposing a tyrannical big brother society which kills you for pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. Liberty and democracy are things that are clearly Athenian, and one of the core tenants of philosophy, a Greek invention, revolves around the ability to challenge social norms. If Wonder Bread really had the wisdom of Athena, she would quickly realize that the regime she's trying to bring about goes against everything the Amazons stand for. Sure, Harley has "buckets full" of blood on her hands. But so will Wonder Bread if she achieves the return of the regime. The only difference is, the blood on her hands will be state mandated.
Really think about this. In order to cauterize a stab wound like that, Super Girl would have had to use a combination of x-ray vision, super vision, and precise control of her heat vision in order to close the exit wound, the organs, and entrance wound, *in that order,* using a laser that normally punches *through* material, all within one second. Kryptonians are straight up broken.
@@coops1992 //Looks like her ray stops at the skin. It's to cauterize the wound. If it went all the way through it would just fry the organs. (Tbh though, none of this is medically possible.)
I love this scene so much especially with Harley, Wonder Woman calls Harley on her crimes but Harley like a boss doesn't hide the fact that, yes she's killed people but at least she's trying to make amends and that definitely means something if she earned the trust of Batman of all people.
She didn't earn Batman's trust because Batman doesn't trust anyone 100% Furthermore Batman chose Harley because she's a wild card to play and he really didn't have a lot of options to choose from anyway in the current dire straits situation.
Not just the face looks better, but the character design too. This face looks more feminine & has various facial expressions that aren't basically just 😐 90% of the time.
Hey Super Girl, the sword passed through me to the other side. I'm still bleeding, quite badly, out of my back. Could you maybe cauterize that too- oh ok nevermind.
Although Injustice Harley still has a long way to go in terms of truly being redeemed after working alongside the Joker, especially during the whole Nuke thing, I at least appreciate how much of an effort she’s making to at least take a few good steps forward. Maybe this could be further developed in Injustice 3 if that’s ever made (assuming NR will even care about developing her arc more by then).
@Sad B!tch Ask all her victims if they forgive her. Put her in front of a judge and get sentenced. Put her in jail for the time she deserves. Then, and only then can you talk about any redemption BS. Until then, the is a fugitive and Batman is breaking the law even more then usual.
@Sad B!tch I think the Injustice Harley was the first successful attempt at having her redeem herself and it's wildly popular too so it makes sense that other DC writers would want to follow that trend. It also fits her character bc pre Joker she truly wanted to help people get better
See if this kind of writing and character interaction was present in DC's theatrical endeavors then I might actually like the DCEU. A story like this would be amazing put to screen if you got the right creative minds and financial backing behind it.
@@WALID972 Just a couple of little plot holes, which mostly come down to Year 0 being written after the original main run, and being more about building more on relationships so that when Year 1 happens, everything hits harder. They're nothing story-shattering, but depending on your preferences, can be somewhat jarring.
well i read both of the comics ( a long time ago) but i dont see why there will be a conflict between year 0 and year 3 can you refresh my memory about the plor hole you talking about
@@WALID972 I might be misremembering, but I believe it was Year 3; basically, Ivy and Swamp Thing getting it on whlie Trigon and Mr. Mxyzptlk are fighting, despite being married to Harley in Year 0. I wouldn't normally count this as a plot hole, for the reasons mentioned in my previous response, but when she again shows up in Ground Zero (which, I believe was written alongside or shortly after Year 0), no mention of it is made, despite it being made quite clear that both are far more devoted to their relationship than their main continuity counterparts. It's just a random, out-of-character moment compared to everything else we've been shown of this version of Ivy within the confines of Injustice 1's continuity. And then Injustice 2 happens, and casually disregards a lot of continuity for just about everyone involved. But we don't need to talk about that.
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Anyone else freak when they heard Maka speak!? Makes me instantly love supergirl! 🤩
it's just a cutscene
@@ggmgreenscreens3573 ong, CZcams algorithm recommending generic af gameplay nowadays, or just plain out cutscenes
@@ggmgreenscreens3573 LOL!!!!!
"You told me Amazons fought with honor!"
And with that, Wonder Woman gets roasted by Harley Quinn AND Supergirl on the same day.
😂😂😂
I guess Harley kind of got roasted too. That looked extremely painful.
@@rosskerr1439 Oh for sure, in the physical sense
The Amazonians in the comics are really messed up, they literally kidnap sailors essentially mate with then kill them and then kill any male babies born by throwing them in the ocean, honor means different things to different folks it seems. Took Hephaestus striking a deal with them to adopt the male children to stop this practice, they still kill the men they sleep with though.
@@thesteelwarrior The joke's on you, she's into that shit.
Harley: calls WW “Wonderbread”
Me: yeah, she does make a good point
When the original icon of BDSM gets eroded to the point "wonderbread" applies, you know you've done the franchise dirty.
@@InservioLetumshe literally hasnt had a good writer in decades. Then again alot of characters havent. Dc and marvel have really shat the bed on writing for awhile now.
@@Kris-wo4pjThat's what you get for hiring 🏳️🌈 Tumblr people.
i ve done nothing but teleport bread for three days
I could still hear the commissions from the moment after you spoke…
Love the animation on Harley's face when she says "Oh...buckets full, honey."
She really gives off the energy of "yeah, and?"
Wonderbread really pulled a "whataboutism", lol
Harley doesn't deny who and what she is: Wonder Woman in this case?
The thing about Harley here is that she’s accepting of her actions. She hasn’t changed her mannerisms because they don’t need changing, but her morals/conscience and subsequent behaviour has.
Harley knows where she draws the line at ‘crazy but good’ and ‘lunatic’.
Wonder Bread here has a classic moral myopia.
She looks back on the Regime and looks at where it failed to continue tactically, not where it failed ideologically.
Ironically they aren’t too dissimilar and very typical of totalitarian governments.
They made too many enemies.
Wonder Tranny 😬😬😬😬
I rate this comment 5 stars. Bravo.
Ew. This comment reeks of typical pro-anarchist, pro-communist, pro-secret society of chomos, golemfeed.
In a way, Harley Quinn is less screwed up in the head here than Wonder Woman is.
@@SamaritanPrime
At this point in time yes.
Harley’s history of accomplice to not only the nuking of Metropolis but a long litany of other crimes is never to be forgotten and very few would forgive her, herself included.
But she’s trying. The acknowledgment and effort to atone for it in this moment does make her the better person here.
"I was trying too hard to impress the wrong guy. Kinda like you with Superman."
That LOOK on Wonder Woman's face.
Wonder woman didn't like the truth hitting her right in the face
@@gravekeepersven82 Hit her way harder than a mallet or a bat.
@@gravekeepersven82 So she did what Feminist WW did best. Feminist WW threw a tantrum.
@@Supperdude9 isn’t feminist Wonder Woman just Wonder Woman?
@@gamingnerd3476 Only when she's written badly. Wonder Woman in that movie that isn't 1984 is pretty good. She was also good in, I think, Justice League War?
Wonder Woman, when she isn't always an angry feminist who thinks she's above everything, can be done well.
You know you messed up when Harley is the voice of reason who opposes you.
Facts bro. That's facts.
Yeah, her and Deathstroke too
Even Enchantress called out Superman for his Hypocrite's!
The fact that Harley knows exactly what she's talking about on a psychological level makes more sense as to why Wonder Woman was at loss of words, she knew she was right.
When Harley starts to make sense, you know something is going on
Crazy or Sane, Hero or Criminal - One thing about Harley is she is honest. She will tell you the truth as she sees it.
PhD
And in today’s world, that is perhaps the biggest crime one can make
@@lawrencetalbot8346 sad but true
@@thestarryeyedobserver PhD makes people lie smarter most of the times
You mean like a certain Heard of cows?
0:35-0:37 perfectly capture not just the expression of anger, but the "I'm pissed because I know you're right" anger. The "I'm trying to think of a retort" anger.
_"I don't have an argument, but you're gonna stfu rn"_
In other words....
* clears throat
GOT HERRRRRR!!
SHE BIG MAD!
HAHAHAAAAAAA!
@@vicetube GOTTEMMM
Triggered, Bamboozled, Perhaps even *Mildy Inconvenienced*
@@Blaza303 L+Big mad+dog stepped on bee+simp
I love how she doesn’t deny her blood shed but acknowledges why it happened in the first place. And though she’s not completely redeemable that doesn’t stop her from doing what’s right. Never would I ever expect her to be lecturing wonder woman the embodiment of truth but Here we are. I like how you get the vibe that Harley is so crazy but she spouting some psychologist shit
Wonder Tranny 😬😬😬😬
Honestly, if Harley Quinn, a psychotic gymnast with a PhD, is calling you out for your BS,
*You know you done fucked up.*
I like this version of Harley, she’s still crazy but she is trying to make up for all the bad things she did
Have you read the comics? She is the absolute MVP.
You can see that she was also trying to look out for Supergirl as well.
Make up? She basically joins the resistance because she wants to avenge her beau the joker. She never showed remorse over the fact that she murdered a pregnant woman along with a city full of people. Both batman and his clown bitch are goddamn hypocrites. Sure injustice wonder woman was a tyrannical asshole but that doesn't absolve batlord and clown bitch of their sins and the part they played in this whole thing.
@Gregory Murphy Isn't that all Versions
@@darkcyde2064 Some are still evil. Some do go straight. Some are still with joker
It’s the self awareness she has of her past mistakes that makes me love this version of Harley. Too bad it took Joker dying for her to be better.
Joker is better without Harley Quinn and Harley is better without Joker.
Just look at every movie with Joker in it (except Jared Leto), and Birds of Prey and Suicide Squad 2
@@6powersofM
Of course they are! But it would have been nice to see Harley detach herself from him without him necessarily dying… ^^’
Joker dying is a good thing grant he's one of the best villains of all time but how is that a bad thing that he died.
@@galibx2332
The issue I have is not that he died, but that it _took him dying_ for Harley to distance herself from him. I wish she could’ve done so before! And then Joker can die if he wants I mean the story works well enough.
They were never a good couple to began with, it's much better for Harley that mr. J died.
“Kinda like you with Superman” had her BOTHERED
The best version of Harley always plays into her amazing ability to read everyone because shes a licensed therapist that worked at what one would think would be the most competitive job in that field at Arkham studying all the people there. I love seeing the ability to read everyone like a book, perhaps better than anyone else in DC.
Batman could do better.
Keep in mind Harley's a licensed therapist. When she calls out this kind of BS it's backed by a PhD.
you know, I kinda wished there was more to show that trait of hers. If I recall correctly, not even the TV show does a lot with that, but it's kind of a compelling trait due to the irony in it. (she's a chaotic/impulsive character but she does have the knowledge/academic-backgound to be pretty smart, or at least, be capable of reading other's issues on a deep psychological level with enough info and exposure to them).
@@jeom3808 in a subtle way she does use her PhD to please Joker, which backfires hard on her
@@jeom3808 she sometimes pulls back to her PhD routes in the comics
@@jeom3808 The harley quinn animated tv show did bring up this fact. They made a whole episode where she diagnoses herself. And she is very spot on about her condition
That doesn't mean s***
Gotta admit that’s pretty badass of Harley (an “average” human with gymnastics, a few screws loose and a PHD) to stand up against Diana (a Demi-god) and call her out on her hypocritical BS.
Arrogance is something really Diabolical, Wonder Tranny for having powers cowardly kills Harley who has no powers, for not liking her opinion, Super Girl for having Super powers shows Wonder Tranny what it is to be humiliated by someone more powerful.
@@Ja--Vai--Tarde_e_Nao--VolteI have never heard anyone refer to WW as Wonder Tranny. 🤣
She’s literally crawled through and out of hell in this universe. So going up towards a god is probably not that intense for her
bro is the slur really necessary jfc
@@Ja--Vai--Tarde_e_Nao--Volteno need to say a fuckin slur
Funny part is, getting mad just proves her right.
“Kinda like you are with Superman”
OOO SHOTS FIRED. GET HER HARLEY!
Technically shots were fired before and after too.
plz laugh
@@Gamesmarts194 I kinda giggled at the "plz laugh" part ngl
There really is a certain irony that reformed Harley is lecturing corrupt Wonder Woman. Sometimes a hero needs to hear from a villain why they suck.
That may be true but not from a woman who Lily help kill a pregnant woman and millions of innocent people
@@brandonfitzgerald1457 It might be calling the kettle black but the one that isn't suppose to be black is black or something. I lost track of the metaphor but the point is Harley Quinn was a bad guy she did bad shit now she's making up for it but Wonder Woman is suppose to be a good guy. A beacon of wisdom for the JL and she's blowing it.
@@destroyerblackdragon Harley Quinn should still be in prison for life
@@brandonfitzgerald1457 Harley Quinn always goes to Arkham asylum because she's not in a right state of mind. She still isn't but now she at least isn't a danger to herself or others.
@@destroyerblackdragon you just gave a reason why she should be imprisoned she's still not in the right State of Mind I don't care if she's a little less dangerous
Harley as a hero has such a fun combination of traits, sassy wit, a phd in psychology, and a level of crazy that means she can take a sword to the gut and still be lucid.
I love how she twists around Wonder Woman's argument of hypocrisy into a shot against her ongoing loyalty to superman's genocidal ideology. You can see the condescending look on wonder woman's face when she says "you lecture me?". I dare say everyone's been in that position, where someone in a position of power talks down to you when they're in the wrong. So Harely being completely unfazed and firing back feels all the better.
On another side note, I don't know if this is intentional, but it feels like Harley told supergirl to sit back and watch because she knew how wonder woman would respond and was hoping supergirl would see her true colors.
Totally (to all points); Harley's awesome ❤
That makes perfect sense. She never lost her brilliance as a psychologist and I like when writers let her use that to her advantage like this.
You'd be on the money then.
Oooh that’s a very good point. If that’s the case, then Harley is awesome for doing that.
It's funny you mention Superman's "genocidal ideology"...
Because Superman's ideology has nothing to do with genocide. He's an authoritarian dictator, not a genocidal maniac.
Joker, and his accomplice Harley, however, killed 10 million people and wiped out a city... That's much closer to a genocide than anything Superman did.
Harley helped kill more people than Superman's regime could even dream. And she has the AUDACITY to continue wearing her clown outfit...
Wonder Woman should have gone for the HEAD...
Supergirl kicking Wonder Woman into oblivion is absolute comedy
the fact that i thought this was the new suicide squad for a second...
This is why I prefer Harley.. she is not really pure evil.. but at least she was honest
she's (especially here) more like chaotic neutral
Not to mention how much fun she is to play xD
I don't care if she is honest they should both be rotting in prison right now
Most DC Villains
Her form of evil is relatable, not just plain sociopath evil.
Wonder Woman is the true villain of this story. She doesn’t have any grief driving her actions. It’s just her exploiting grief.
True. Supes may have been the one doing the actual damage and that's always gonna be on him, but what exactly was Diana's motivation for exploiting his grief and exacerbating an already awful scenario? Nothing. She had no stake in any of this, personal or otherwise, beyond being a hero and all she did was make a bad situation worse.
Wonder Womans always been that way. Shed pretty horrible lol
@@VeXeDZEROwell this Wonder Woman always been this way.
Sorry, But Joker AND Harley Destroyed metrópolis.
@@CCLOSPINA Harley was directly under the thumb of the Joker AND found redemption. She became a force against the tyranny of Superman and Wonder Woman.
Wonder Woman’s role in this was purely as the devil over Superman’s shoulder. Her only goal was to help Superman reign evil over the world. That’s it. She wanted him and she wanted him to do bad things.
I can literally binge watch these cut scenes like I'm binging a Netflix &or HBO MAX show. The voice acting and character models look so good.
Harley has the best redemption/character arc. She went from being an evil man’s puppet to being a independent, confident, selfless woman who’s trying to make up for her past by saving lives and kicking ass. Harley Quinn is truly the best.
At least she was. Until DC realized she was popular. Than they proceeded to overexpose her until she has become bland and just annoying.
I'm not sure if you can really redeem such a monster
@@brandonfitzgerald1457 You know Joker is waaaay worse right?
@@tytheaniman497 and she fell in love with this way worse person
@@brandonfitzgerald1457 She's actually being redeemed, she's part of the bat family now.
The faces and voice movement in this game are surprisingly very impressive.
Except during gameplay but hey, there’s someone that explains that better than I could.
@@emilianoizanagi2245 maybe because cutscenes are done by different parts of the studio? Idk really but it's not really needed in a 1v1 fighting game
oh yeah the way Wonder Woman was visibly seething after the Clark comment was a great touch.
Why surprisingly? It's by the same creators of Mortal Kombat and both are excellent fighter games.
@@jordanmaessen9655 yeah man you can see her gritting her teeth. Amazing
I love the way she says "you heard bats no killing" has the same vibe as you heard dad no fighting.
When the psychopath has a more rational mindset than the hero, that's the best time for the hero to stop and think.
It's ironic how Wonder Woman says Harley should not lecture her about not murdering people after all the harm she has done, but that is precisely what makes her qualified to do it- that and her PhD as a psychologist
Harley's learning from her mistakes and making herself better for it, while Diana's in this perpetual state of denial. She's the orchestrator in the aftermath of Joker's chaos, while the clown's former side girl is working to end it.
Lol Harley literally nuked a city and got off scottfree. That's what bst favoritism will do for you. Injustice story is such crap
@@liamlennon3316 Harley "helped" nuke a city.
I know it's a small difference and there is nothing she can do to make up for it, but she willingly signed up to try and stop Superman which considering she helped kindnap Lois would be a death sentence the moment Superman laid eyes on her- if not for the plot protection.
Her trying to clean up her act in spite of it being impossible is also what makes wonder woman's hypocrisy even more glaring.
@@darrylferguson3622 You are dead wrong about harley. i think you just fanboying at this point lol
@@NJ-eo2oc how? 💀 it’s literally her character arc. A woman escaping an abusive relationship that she gained self awareness on is trying her hardest to become what can slightly be viewed as a hero. This moment alone shows how self aware she’s become to the point where she calls out a relationship that resembles the one she escaped. She putting that PhD to work.
Harley, with absolute ease, manages to turn one of the most powerful regime members against her allies. She starts a chain of events that lead to a kyptonian being on the side of good, balancing the scales tremendously.
Girl's no clown. She just wears the make-up as a distraction.
So would you say she's "done clowning around"?
I'll limp my way out.
🤣
That PhD in psychology ain’t just there for shits and giggles, you know. Harley knew EXACTLY what she was doing, and probably had every intention of being run through by Wonder Woman. Girl was a mastermind AND a martyr all in one, took a sword to the gut just to show Kara who the real monsters are.
@@Delphineas *Ba dum tss*
this is one of the reasons why I think Harley as a character is so interesting, we often see intelligence and order paired together, but that isn't always true. It's easy to think someone who is smart is emotionally stable or what could only be described as "wise" but that isn't always the case. Plenty of smart people hold opinions that don't really make sense when reflected on or applied. This is quite evident with the "ex-joker harley" thing that's starting to go on. Bad written harleys are, well, quite common, having a token girl power thing is great for seeming inclusive so a lot of incarnations don't really try to write her very well at all. But some really do, and it works quite well. Strangely enough, she parallels batman quite a lot. In the Suicide Squad movie (the good one, not that one) we see her follow the same exact principles as Batman. When the obvious villain says something obviously villainous she straight up kills him then and there, not to be a hero or do the right thing, but just because she realized "that's a red flag" and wasn't going down that route again. This parallels Batman's no-killing rule which he made before he ever started being the Bat specifically because he reasoned that, while torture, killing, guns, etc. may not make you inherently villainous, (I mean, if billions of lives are at stake, killing one isn't inherently a "villainous" act if it's done out of necessity) not doing those things are insurance that you won't ever become villainous. It's a hard and fast rule to prevent his judgement being clouded going forward because, while he is extremely intelligent, he is also well aware that the world gets complicated, and complications, emotional situations, etc. can make him still make the wrong choices. If your noticing a parallel with that Harley scene, you're not wrong, because that is literally the same logic, she knows emotionally she is unstable and has a history of picking the wrong people because they make her feel nice, so she made a promise to herself to follow hard and fast rules against red flags.
TLDR : Ex-joker Harley can be an excellent insight into the distinction between stability and intellect and how someone who is smart enough to recognize their own instability might act on it all the while creating an interesting narrative parallel between Batman himself buuuuut sometimes she is written like crap just because having a female lead get over an abusive relationship gets feminism points, even if you throw all of the interesting character dynamics in the trash while doing it. A well written Ex-Joker Harley shows exactly what a "strong female character" should be, a female, that is strong as a character, *_not_* a character who is female and is strong.
Ok wow this is a very well-reasoned explanation of Batman's no-killing rule, and that was just a supporting argument for another well-reasoned argument.
I like this.
Intelligence is paired with chaos all the time, that's why we have the mad scientist archetype. Mr Freeze, Dr Doom, plenty on the list.
@@ariadame102 none of those are chaotic characters. Mr. Freeze is trying to rescue someone he loves, Dr. Doom is trying to rule the world (in some incarnations because he believes him ruling the world is the only way to save it) and basically every "mad scientist" isn't mad at all. They might be crazy, but not mad. At the core of just about every mad scientist isn't insanity or chaos, but rather a motivating factor that they have placed immense internal weight on. Losing someone close to you and feeling sad or grieving isn't chaotic, it's entirely rational, but Dr. Freeze took that rational response and amplified it to an extreme. His reaction is no less rational or thought out, it's just a non-measured response. Same with Dr. Doom (operating under the interpretation that he IS trying to take over the world so that it can prosper, AND that he is wrong in that assertion, although I vaguely remember one time a god that could see the future actually saying he was right on that, buuuuut I don't recall exactly and might be misremembering that) he had a fucked up past and now a mix of egotistical narcissism and genuine altruism motivates him to attempt to rule the world. If you believed that the world would go to ruin, except in the ONE circumstance that you were ruling it, and you had the technological and magical know-how of Dr. Doom, AND his traumatic backstory, yeah, trying to rule the world is an extreme response, but it's also not an unpredictable one, ergo not chaotic. Ex-Joker-Harley however has had several fairly mainstream conflicting outcomes, from being a hero trying to set things right, to striking out on her own as a villain, and even in the middle, where it's kind of unclear where you would pin her on the scale. And yet, despite that massive range of outcomes, it always feels in character.
As an example, Dr. Doom, really had no other paths, giving his backstory, his beliefs, etc. he was going to try to be a villain. (or at least antagonist if that time god said he was actually right but, once again, don't remember for sure) I mean FFS the good guys don't try to rule the world. Harley by contrast, well lets keep her very much "not going down that road again" hate for the Joker, that can apply in basically any way. She could try to position herself as an antithesis to him, trying to do good and right her wrongs, in the process trying to fight her chaotic tendencies. Instead she could interpret turning good for trading the Joker for just another cause, and break out on her own, only looking out for herself and trying to maximize how much she gets out of the world. Or, maybe she does what she has in a few interpretations and starts/joins a crew, trading out an abusive relationship to a collaborative team. But then, that team, is it good, or bad, would she see working for the greater good as being at the cost to herself, and associate that with her past relationship with the Joker, or, would she see being bad as being more closely linked to the joker. Unlike the "mad" scientist archetype, she has no predictable outcome, ergo, chaotic.
@@robonator2945 Feeling grieve and sadness towards the loss of loved ones is not at all rational, it's actually irrational, as all emotions tend to be. A rational response to the loss of a companion is to seek alternatives or replacements, not to burden oneself with emotions that serve no practical purpose. Heck, emotional attachment itself contradicts rationality, and human beings are much more irrational than they are rational. Amplifying an irrational response to the extreme is most definitely chaotic. What you described are "understandable" behaviors, not rational, not even close.
Mad and scientists go hand in hand because of the nature of science. Science explores the unknown, which necessitates challenging, and sometimes breaking, the established orderly systems. This is why mad scientists in fictions typically engage in immoral dangerous experiments, and value progresses (chaos) over opinions of the masses (order). Whatever their specific background/reason may be, it does not change this element of chaos in their ethos that characterizes the archetype. It may contextualize the chaos, sure, doesn't make it any less chaotic.
@@ariadame102 by that logic then EVERYONE is chaotic fundamentally so it's a useless term. If you called every spec of dust in space a planet, I don't care what you call a planet, you have defined the word out of meaning. If grieving over someone you know dying is a fundamentally "chaotic" response then you have successfully made the word "chaotic" mean literally nothing since it applies to everything short of Shockwave tier pure logical processing.
Your so focussed on trying to fit your definitions into words you havent bothered to check if they make sense, like calling scientific progress "chaos". There is nothing chaotic about technological development, it moves in an entirely predictable path. As time passes, excluding edge case factors such as war or other disasters, technological progress steadily increases. There is nothing chaotic about that, that is a clear, reliable, and indisputable pattern, by definition, not chaotic.
If someone makes a point and you intend to make them quiet about it, you technically proved their point.
In the comics filling in the 5 years between the detonation and Injustice, its made pretty explicitly clear how much of Superman's turn to the dark side is the fault of this universe's Wonder Woman. She enabled and pushed him to the worse possible decision at every juncture. While allies like Flash and Green Lantern were damned slowly until they were in too deep, she sprinted gleefully down the road to Hell.
The Injustice universe wouldn't have worked without Wonder Woman being the monster that she is there. If she had been more like her main universe counterpart, she'd have been able to rally the League against Superman and is one of the few characters strong enough to outright stand against him.
That power she has over others is like banes venom
An addictive weakness
I mean, she literally has no reasonable weaknesses, so... Yeah, she could stand up to Supes. I dunno how well, but...
I'm almost afraid to ask, but what was this version of Wonder Woman like in the animated movie? I know that the movie changed a LOT of things, but is this Wonder Woman still pretty much a villain or did she get redemption like Superman did in the movie?
@@Ability-King-KK I try not to think about that movie. . . Aside from seeing the middle finger key animated which was absolutely hilarious in Year 5, the movie as a whole was terrible. They cut too much and even rolled in the period between Injustice 1 and 2 with the Amazo/Ra's Al-Ghul story line. Injustice deserved better. It should have been multiple movies or a series.
Diana has a reason for being the way she is in the Injustice Universe, though. Injustice Steve Trevor was a Nazi spy and used Diana to cripple the Allied Forces under the pretense of helping them stop the Nazis. He even admitted while being held by the Lasso of Truth that he really did love her despite the monstrosities he made her commit, which broke her and made her snap his neck.
And this is why I prefer Harley Quinn as a hero now because at least she admits that she was in the wrong for helping joker but Wonder Woman Never admits that it’s all her fault that Clark became a tyrant it made everything horribly worse by Hooking up with him after he killed the joker.
I mean she has fault but it’s not all on her…
It's possible that Wonder Woman will have the same arc as Harley if given the chance.
@@bloodcottoncandy1514 hope not
She definitely played a major part, but it is not fair and over simplistic to say "it's all her fault". I mean you obviously have to blame the Joker for Metropolis and for the death of Lois and their son. You also have to blame Harley as his accomplice even if she is now doing everything she can to atone for her mistakes. Batman was too harsh in his rebuke of Superman which drove a wedge between Superman and one of the few people who might (and I do have to emphasize the word "might") have been able to pull him back from the brink; the fact he was willing to forgive and even embrace Harley after Metropolis likely did not help in this regard. Hal Jordan, Flash, Wonder Woman, Shazam, and many others all enabled Superman's descent into madness and tyranny to various degrees.
And of course a good chunk of the blame has to fall on Superman himself. After all, despite what anyone else did or failed to do, at the end of the day he is the one who made the choices that he did. He could have decided not to kill anyone else after killing Joker. Conversely, he could have chosen to limit his killings to murderers, rapists, and existential threats to the Earth (like Darkseid and Brainiac) like Red Hood. Sadly, those are not the choices he made, but ultimately they were his choices.
The issue with Superman/WW getting together is WW if not both of them are enablers to each other to their not-so-good impulses due to both being in the top tier of most powerful beings on earth. WW has a brush with this in the mainline DC comics with her suggesting they interfere with a war going on in a middle eastern country and that "no one could stop them" before Batman who was listening from the shadows firmly shuts her down.
While it's unfair to say the core problem is WW and that it's all on her, she DOES come from a more militant background than Clark. Which is fine and rather benign, and she does have a moral faceted view beyond that...but you add Supes to the mix, and the moral guard rails start to become a bit thinner because "no one could stop them" together, and you get the moral cliff of doing "more" to make the world a better place by any means neccesary.
Damn, Tara never fails to bring her characters to life! That and the incredible animation with capturing the expressions really well. Amazing.
Arleen would have been better tho but ill take it
She only seared one side of the wound... The depth of the writing in this game lmao
They really did a good job of making Wonder Woman unlikable in this. There's the big evil she's committing siding with Superman, but there are also her expressions that show the little things she's thinking - like, "How dare she say that about me. I'M WONDER WOMAN!"
I'll admit that Tom Taylor did a good job for getting everyone to hate Wonder Woman.
Holy shit I hate those types of characters.
"You dare say that about the great ME?!"
"Get up you wench! The great ME ordered you to fight them!"
Those are the types I smile about while they die.
Technically Wonder Woman wasn't just siding with Superman but she was also the one manipulating him the entire time
@@myleswayne301 I really hope that in the next game, Superman redeems himself and Wonder Woman becomes the villain.
They made her into a corruptor, the devil on superman's shoulder that led him into darker places than he ever would've got without her. Scarecrow's fight with her puts all that out in the open. She knows what she did.
This version of Harley wouldn't have shot Bats on a park bench.
This is hands down my favorite version of Harley Quinn since she rejected the Joker, joined Batman's team, and proves that she's more than what most people assume of her. I love it when she confronts this evil Wonder Woman not only to correct her mistakes but to show Supergirl the ugly truth about her mentors.
Damn. The best roast of the Injustice 2 Story. First Scarecrow, now Harley Quinn. Two doctors spitting facts about Wonder Wench.
That "kinda like you with Superman" line was just an icing on the cake.
and funny thing is from both the villian and hero sides looking at Wonder Woman.
Okay, that ‘Wonder Wrench’ remark was GOOD.
Second best: "You dare mock me, child?" against Black Adam has to be number one.
What did scarecrow say?
@@jakejones1850 He states Wondere Woman's greatest is fear is she's afraid she corrupted Superman and also afraid of the villian of the story
And THAT'S why I love Harley Quinn in this game. She knows that she was doing the wrong things. Wonder Woman on the other hand, doesn't want to admit that to herself. Hell, that's why Scarecrow's Fear Toxin worked the way it did on her.
It shouldn't have worked at all. crap writing!
@@NJ-eo2oc hello hater of Harley just admit it
What’s this game called?
@@naomin.778 Injustice 2
It's always when she's got NOTHING to say after that gets me
She didn't close the exit wound lol.
If you’ve read the comics as well, you know Wonder Woman is the real villain here.. she literally instigates and pulls strings to make Clark dive further into madness. This iteration of Wonder Women is the absolute worst. Which is why Harley calling her out makes her so angry because she knows she’s right.
Don't you mean Wonder Bread as Harley calls her?
I wouldn't place the blame squarely on Wonder Woman. While she does escalate the situation and enable Superman - he is still responsible for his own actions.
The true cause of the events of the Injustice story is not Wonder Woman, or even the Joker - those were catalysts setting events in motion - the true cause are traits that Superman has always had, in every adaptation of his character: the belief that humans are weak and fragile, and his fear of being alone. Because of these fundamental flaws in his character, his over-compensation for the loss of Lois and Metropolis is perfectly understandable, a reaction that most incarnations of Superman would probably share if put in the same situation - he is so desperate to protect humanity, that he will go to any length to ensure their safety, even if it means taking away their freedom, or even killing people who threaten that safety.
This is why the premise of Injustice, "Superman goes bad", while it seems completely opposite of the Superman we're used to, is actually an exploration of the Superman we already knew, when his fundamental character flaws come to the forefront of the story. (Note: I'm not saying Superman is a bad character - all good characters, whether Heroes or Villains should have some specific flaw, intrinsic to their nature and personality, that they must overcome or be defeated by it.)
@@LadyDoomsinger yeah I hated slogging through that giant paragraph you just made l, I still place a large majority of the blame on her Superman simply couldn’t handle the fact that he lost Lois and his child. Yes he is still responsible for his own actions however he had chances to stop what he was doing but didn’t and anytime he started to question things wonder women was there. Instigating plotting being manipulative. That’s all I’m saying
@@thatguySmitty234 Also to add on to your point. Wonder woman is no weakling. She could have the smarts power and warrior experience necessary to fight superman on equal ground. This is why I love injustice, It shows deep flaws in the dc characters that would not be made apparent on more typical comic entry's.
Well that makes harley wrong about one thing, it isn't the same as her and Joker (though that's her not accepting responsibility and blaming someone else for her actions) because the right man went wrong because of the wrong woman.
See, that's one of the many points of Injustice that shows that whoever wrote this game understands Harley. Harleen is still there, she's not the random psycho that the DCEU seems to portray her as. I still think old Harley seen at the end of Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker is her canonical ending.
Arrogance is something really Diabolical, Wonder Tranny for having powers cowardly kills Harley who has no powers, for not liking her opinion, Super Girl for having Super powers shows Wonder Tranny what it is to be humiliated by someone more powerful.
The really messed up thing in this strange story is that Superman turned evil just because he lost his wife and child while Wonder Woman turned evil… Just to hook up with Superman? I mean, for “Greatest heroes” it didn’t take much to break them.
Tell me to not take it personally without telling me to not take it personally😂😂😭
That moment when Harley Quinn is a better person than Wonder Woman
Not really
@@brandonfitzgerald1457 Yeah really in this universe Harley is trying to at least reform herself.
Diana is on the other hand encouraging Superman to be a mass murdering fascist and is attempting to take over the world
@Sad B!tch when wonder woman killed more than 8 million people? because those are the people that harley quinn helped to kill.
@@plantainsame2049 they're both monsters in the runway and Harley Quinn has a higher body count thanks to the nuke
@Sad B!tch I'm not saying that she's a better person they're both garbage
i like Harley´s face when she says "kinda like you with Superman."
As if she sees her own reflection in Wonder Woman.
Could be.
I always loved the fact that any time someone calls out Wonderbread for manipulating Superman and trying to get with him she just immediately goes for the kill.
She'll argue about right and wrong nonstop on self proclaimed moral highground, but even she knows she can't justify what she is doing there.
Those are surprissingly great dialogues for a fighting game
This scene works so well because it highlights some of Injustice's major themes. A lifetime of bad isn't excused when you try to do good, but neither is a lifetime of good an excuse to be bad when you feel it is "necessary".
That second one is so true! Sadly in real life we let people do bad things again and again because they have done good before. An example is the man who would artificially inseminate women for a living. The women would bring the sperm of their husband and the man would take the sperm, throw it out, go into another room, masturbate and use his own sperm to get the woman pregnant. This wasn’t discovered until the man was already and old fart.
He wasn’t punished because he’s been a good member of the community, church and so on. I feel disgusted every time I think about what this asshole did.
Well,the end justifies the means so that point is kinda moot. Because let's face it,if Batman would've just ended the Joker like he was supposed to even though it was against the law,multitudes of lives could've been saved. So,I'd be more understanding if a good person snapped and did something amoral than an evildoer who did years of wickedness but decides that they wanna be good and expects the world to just pardon them like nothing happened.
@@wilykat Hey, it's not Batman's fault Gotham doesn't have the Death Penalty. With all the times he's been sent to Arkham, the State had plenty of opportunities to euthanize him. But nooo, they insist on trying to rehabilitate someone who doesn't want to be rehabilitated.
@@stevenhiggins3055 It's more Batman's responsibility than it is with Arkham or the state because the Joker is obsessed with breaking Batman and goes out of his way to commit heinous crimes in order to do so. Batman is even partly responsible for the Joker being created in the first place so he should be the one to put him down.
@@wilykat disagree
Harley Quinn literally owned Wonder Woman here, hell even Scarecrow made an excellent point about her also
Sometimes it's hard to believe that Harley Quinn has only been around since the 90s, and that she was a character created specifically for that Batman cartoon. I can understand why some people think negatively of her because of staying in an abusive relationship, Fiat giving her a redemption Arc is absolutely amazing to watch.
Yo this was tight. Very mature. Like the characters actually thinking and showing emotions.
Always drives me crazy when people keep girl-bossing Harley Quinn. The whole point of her entire character is that she was manipulated by the Joker to be something she's not. Scars run deep so she can't just *go back* but that doesn't mean she should be destined to be this airey little child of violence, especially when she tends to only get more violent when you take her away from the Joker which makes zero sense to me.
Modern interpretations want me to celebrate a caricature of what she is but I'm glad Injustice realizes that people don't stay the same when saved from their abusers and enablers. That's why I'm happier with Injustice's version of the character.
I feel like a lot of modern adaptations of Harley try way too hard to make her a Deadpool-clone. Breaking the fourth wall, dispensing constant jokes, being silly and random. That's not what made the fans fall in love with Harley when she was originally introduced as the Jokers side-kick (originally intended to be a one-off in a single episode of the Animated Batman).
I've always thought Harley was the Tragedy to the Joker's Comedy; while he was laughing and fooling around, chasing batman and causing mayhem; she was the consequence, an example of how he damaged the people around him, and how being drawn into his madness could become an inescapable spiral of abuse and violence. She was also a damn good representation for domestic abuse and mental illness - but for some reason all the potential for deep themes and contemplations of intelligent issues were pushed aside to make her a laughing stock.
While I love Harley Quinn in the Injustice series, my favorite adaptation of her character is in the comic *Harleen* by *Stjepan Sejic* - which is a reimagining of her origin story, fairly faithful to her original character, but with it's own more emotional take on it.
From what I see if Harley is given a chance to be a hero AND is sick of Joker's abuse then she leaves and tries to redeem herself.
If Joker is killed or dies while she's under the dilussion that he actually likes her instead of seeing him for who he always is then she dives even deeper into the Harly Quinn side and goes up to 11 in sadism with less theatrics since there's no Joker to preform for.
This is what redemption is:
Harley had a long long way ahead of her, after what she did.
Still, with Batman's code everyone deserves a second chance, and Harley hasn't wasted it.
Irl it probably wouldn't be that simple, but hey, it's a videogame about comic characters. Carry on 🤣
Of course, that's not going to erase her sins. Nothing will. That's not redemption.
Redemption is about writing new pages, that can help you bear with your sins.
Harley is at least honest about it. She's not saying "hey look, I murdered millions of innocents and I'm still free to do it". She's just admitting being wrong in the past and decided to move on, being a better person.
Wonder Woman, on the other hand, had no arguments regarding turning Superman into what he became, and resorted to violence. Of course.
And that makes her better than Harley, I guess? Kinda reminds me of Internet debates that end with "kys" 😒
Beautiful writing👌
Looked what giving The Joker so many chances caused, some are purely evil.
@@menacelurkingyet8345 indeed, some of them are.
But Batman didn't give Joker a chance for redemption, and he never asked for it. He just fulfilled his code of not killing every time and called it a day.
I know this is a superhero story, but if Batman is really that resourceful, he should have done something, after the 2749th time Joker escaped from Arkham
@@pn33milan11 Or, even better, the Joker should've been executed. That way, there's not even an argument that Bruce is betraying his code and Joker stops being able to hurt anyone else. But, of course that won't happen because Joker's too popular to die (at least permanently)
pn33 Milan there is no redeeming this terrorist.
You know you're on the wrong when Harley Quinn of all people lectures you.
Haha, good one Kara. Thinking injustice wonder woman had any honor lol.
Harley Quinn’s spitting Facts or in other words “Emptying the Clip on Wonder Woman”. (Pun Unintended)
But Wonder Woman gave her a STABBING remark in retaliation!
@@quatrodavis7764 Doesn’t really mean much, when Wonder Woman basically proved Harley point.💀
@@drakenbum7751 you ruined it
@@jameslilly3750 You didn't see the *point* of that joke
@@yazidefirenze you too
The facial expressions in this game are flawless
Cauterizing the wound on her chest does nothing for the internal bleeding, cleaved liver, and gaping blade hole in her back.
Even a broken clock is right at least once a day.
A lot of people acted like Green Lantern didn't deserve a second chance, yet a lot of people here agree that Harley does. Honestly, if Harley can be redeemed, I don't see why Green Lantern can't; they're practically in the same boat. Both killed a LOT of innocent people (in Hal's case, his fellow Green Lanterns), but both now seek to atone for those evil deeds.
Harley had reasons for how she was, she was sick and had her mental instabilities stoked by an individual that knew all the right buttons to push.
Lantern was a dick, he murdered guy Gardner in cold blood because sinestro said he killed Jon Stewart, and before that attacked him because Guy saved his girls life.
He went on to be partly responsible for the green lantern corps defeat that day as he betrayed all of his friends and loved ones.
On top of that he then went on to continue performing horrible acts as a yellow lantern, he stood idly by and attempted to justify Shazam's death, tried fighting flash when flash actually grew a conscience, attempted to kill batman a couple times and only stopped because he was forced to by the good superman during the events of the first game.
Many wouldn't think him deserving because of how easily he was swayed into believing superman and how easily he turned on his friends, that kind of demonstration compromises trust and makes it difficult to want to give them a second chance.
Harley Quinn never betrayed anyone but herself, she had her fascinations with the joker but him being dead and her experiencing interactions with others proved she was never a bad person, simply misguided and a little loopy.
@@adambrown6669 HELLO!!! Harley used to work at Arkham Asylum! The Joker was her patient before being enamored by him! She betrayed her co-workers at Arkham! She's also had a nasty habit of leaving Joker when he abused her only to be EASILY SWAYED back to him later! Furthermore, she helped Joker trick Superman into killing Lois/blowing up Metropolis! Never a bad person the sticks that are up Batman and Superman's rears!
On the subject of Guy Gardner; I find it a pretty ironic. How many fans actually like Guy? Hardly any! In fact, I can't even find any that don't utterly HATE HIS GUTS! I mean, I don't really hate him, but I understand why most people do. He's rude and spiteful to an obnoxious degree and is seen as little more than a joke because of that, even in-universe. Then he gets killed; and suddenly fans start considering him relevant. Class can we spell "Two-Faced?".
As for Shazam, I honestly don't think even Hal believed himself. I believe he was lying both to Flash and himself. He was probably just too afraid to go against Superman himself. Did that make him a coward? Well... yes, it did. Of course, that undoubtedly came from being a Yellow Lantern. Now, you say he was easily swayed; but that's not really a fair statement. Nearly the whole Justice League followed Superman's lead after his dark descent, but they didn't do so in ignorance. They were shaken by Joker's accomplishment. Fear is what drove them; unfortunately for worse. Even Flash went along with the Regime as they took out Green Arrow and other heroes that opposed them, their FRIENDS! He also served as an emissary, along with Shazam, for Superman to get Aquaman into a contract to turn over Atlantis to Superman's control, after Superman blackmailed Aquaman by putting Atlantis in the middle of a desert! Flash didn't turn against the regime until he witnessed Superman kill one of their own teammates over a simple question of order! Harley too also didn't turn away from Joker just because he abused her; she need a push from Lex, an encouragement to leave him.
So, Green Lantern? Flash? Harley? They're all in the same boat! They've done things they regret, awful things; and yes, Flash standing by as people got killed as disproportionate punishment counts. Flash himself is burdened by it; he no doubt regrets not trying to stop Superman from killing Shazam. As for Harley and Hal, they both want a second chance; and Harley is not a lick better than Hal in this instance. Still, I guess some DC fans, or should I say BATMAN fans, will make any excuse, and I mean ANY excuse to agree with Batman.
The green lantern problem is that he showed up and just said "hey, I'm good now after training" after being straight up evil in injustice 1. Though, to be fair the first game didn't really touch why he changed to yellow lantern. Which kinda justify his motive. We should've seen the moment he realized what he was doing.
@@devaraft I'm pretty sure he realized it when Flash did but wasn't brave enough to turn against Superman; being a Yellow Lantern didn't help. Also, notice that Hal only stood down when confronted with Earth-One's Superman? I feel that reinforces my point about him being afraid of Superman.
Hal does deserve redemption and gets his chance to prove it when Atrocious tries to manipulate him into taking up the Red Ring and becoming a Red Lantern, but Hal refuses stating that if he becomes a Red Lantern he could become a monster that was just as bad or worse then the Regime Enforcer/Executioner he was as the Yellow Lantern and even goes on to tell Atrocious that he's not letting his will falter to where he makes that bad call a 2nd time as Batman, the Green Lantern Corps, and the Guardians have given him a chance at redemption and he's not wasting it.
This is the perfect reason everyone loves injustice: the lines, the characters and the story. Man, when Injustice 3?
Well, the games and comics anyways
@@robertsissco2439 lol true
I think that after the events of the second one, the series hit a dead end. And there were two of them, either Superman being banished into the Void with little to no chance of return or Superman becoming an Overlord. Where should it go on from there? Who would be the antagonist of Injustice 3?
@@YAH93 I'd say it'd probably be Darkseid. i don't remember if superman killed him in the comics (i know he kicked darkseid's son's butt at least), but yeah Darkseid is the only one i can think of who would be on that planet level threat where they would need all the heroes.
@@YAH93 There are theories that the leader of the Black Lantern Corp, Nekron, could be the main villain of the third game, meaning that characters who were killed by the regime could come back to haunt them. As for the two endings, NetherRealm could do the same thing they did with Mk11 Aftermath where they start the story off with Batman’s ending after he sent Superman to the phantom zone and then release dlc for people to play Injustice 3’s story from Superman’s ending.
"Buckets full,honey." Damn, Harley!
She called her Wonder Bread 😂😂
Deep down, Wonder Woman knew Harley was right about her trying so hard to please Super-Man. She just couldn't stand being told that the 2nd time, let alone by the ex clown princess of crime.
Deathsroke even said something similar to her in the 1st Injustice video game.
Wonder Woman: You were offered amnesty, Deathstroke you should've taken it.
Deathstroke: And miss my chance to battle Super-Man's rebound girl?
Wonder Woman: How DARE YOU?! I'm an Amazon!
Even Supergirl had a point: Amazons are supposed to fight with honor.
When you have done something so messed up, even villains and anti-heroes call you out for it.
That's when you should be ashamed of yourself.
That lip twitch said it all, Wonder Woman knows she can't weasel her way out of this accurate callout. I do like to see a reforming villain verbally destroy a self-styled "hero".
It made no sense, though. And Wonder Woman is gifted with the wisdom of Athena (besides other Gods' features) so getting flustered over this is out of character. Hailey accumulated "buckets of blood" trying to impress a mass murderer. Said mass murderer led Superman to enforce a new system of rule which of course leads to other "buckets of blood" to stop relentless mass murderers. WW is helping Superman achieve that lofty, utopian goal while Hailey did it for the lols along with aimless Joker.
@@Tretas.Wonder Bread is helping to attain that goal by imposing a tyrannical big brother society which kills you for pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. Liberty and democracy are things that are clearly Athenian, and one of the core tenants of philosophy, a Greek invention, revolves around the ability to challenge social norms. If Wonder Bread really had the wisdom of Athena, she would quickly realize that the regime she's trying to bring about goes against everything the Amazons stand for. Sure, Harley has "buckets full" of blood on her hands. But so will Wonder Bread if she achieves the return of the regime. The only difference is, the blood on her hands will be state mandated.
*sees internal bleeding*
*superficially cauterizes the skin*
Really think about this. In order to cauterize a stab wound like that, Super Girl would have had to use a combination of x-ray vision, super vision, and precise control of her heat vision in order to close the exit wound, the organs, and entrance wound, *in that order,* using a laser that normally punches *through* material, all within one second.
Kryptonians are straight up broken.
Comics - she gets a pass on biophysics with metaphysics.
The difference between a rebound girl and a women who knows she's the rebound
The way she delivered that Wonder Bread line is still my absolute fav, freaking phenomenal 😂👌
The acting on this game was phenomenal. Best facial animation I’ve ever seen in a game.
"Hey uh...blondie? You forgot the exit wound?"
(Fight in progress.)
"Ah it's okay, I'll just lie on my back till your done."
What exit wound? They ray goes through the whole body and probably even the concrete beneath lol.
@@coops1992 //Looks like her ray stops at the skin. It's to cauterize the wound.
If it went all the way through it would just fry the organs.
(Tbh though, none of this is medically possible.)
I love this scene so much especially with Harley, Wonder Woman calls Harley on her crimes but Harley like a boss doesn't hide the fact that, yes she's killed people but at least she's trying to make amends and that definitely means something if she earned the trust of Batman of all people.
She didn't earn Batman's trust because Batman doesn't trust anyone 100% Furthermore Batman chose Harley because she's a wild card to play and he really didn't have a lot of options to choose from anyway in the current dire straits situation.
@@wilykat That's still a form of trust, especially since Harley didn't backstab him, plus Batman even mentions about expanding his circle of trust
Harley made a REALLY good fucking point
You know what.......how the hell do this Wonder Woman look so much better than the one in SSKTJL
Not just the face looks better, but the character design too. This face looks more feminine & has various facial expressions that aren't basically just 😐 90% of the time.
the scene that made me simultaneously love harley and hate wonder woman
Hey Super Girl, the sword passed through me to the other side. I'm still bleeding, quite badly, out of my back. Could you maybe cauterize that too- oh ok nevermind.
I find honor is a word used by the cruel and despicable to cover their dishonorable selves.
Id like to point out that she was complicit and an eager participant in WIPING OUT METROPOLIS
I don’t agree with the people in this comment section. After reading Ground Zero I feel that Harley’s character arc was definitely earned
@@user-mv7ho8ts7z didn’t say it was
@@user-mv7ho8ts7z someone trying to start something....
Harley's point might be good, but Wonder Woman's point was sharper.
Ha!
Funny how NetherRealm out of everyone understands Harley better than rocksteady, suicide squad’s Harley is inferior
"This is gonna hurt a lot"
"EvEn bEtTeR" 😂
Although Injustice Harley still has a long way to go in terms of truly being redeemed after working alongside the Joker, especially during the whole Nuke thing, I at least appreciate how much of an effort she’s making to at least take a few good steps forward. Maybe this could be further developed in Injustice 3 if that’s ever made (assuming NR will even care about developing her arc more by then).
This Harley is trying.
Which makes her one of the best Harleys in DC.
Not really
@Sad B!tch Ask all her victims if they forgive her. Put her in front of a judge and get sentenced. Put her in jail for the time she deserves. Then, and only then can you talk about any redemption BS. Until then, the is a fugitive and Batman is breaking the law even more then usual.
@Sad B!tch ok Wanda fan
@Sad B!tch I think the Injustice Harley was the first successful attempt at having her redeem herself and it's wildly popular too so it makes sense that other DC writers would want to follow that trend. It also fits her character bc pre Joker she truly wanted to help people get better
The wound was one both sides and she cauterized only one
They ray goes through the whole body and probably even the concrete beneath lol.
I want THIS Harley in Suicide squad!😢
See if this kind of writing and character interaction was present in DC's theatrical endeavors then I might actually like the DCEU. A story like this would be amazing put to screen if you got the right creative minds and financial backing behind it.
Unfortunately, the Animated Injustice Movie is a shallow caricature of the story.
@@LadyDoomsinger I haven't seen it, but have heard similar things about it before so I'll take your word for it.
Harley is the best character. Her story through the comics is fantastic-even if Year 0 and Year 3 do have a little bit of conflict.
Why do wo mean ?
@@WALID972 Just a couple of little plot holes, which mostly come down to Year 0 being written after the original main run, and being more about building more on relationships so that when Year 1 happens, everything hits harder. They're nothing story-shattering, but depending on your preferences, can be somewhat jarring.
well i read both of the comics ( a long time ago) but i dont see why there will be a conflict between year 0 and year 3 can you refresh my memory about the plor hole you talking about
@@WALID972 I might be misremembering, but I believe it was Year 3; basically, Ivy and Swamp Thing getting it on whlie Trigon and Mr. Mxyzptlk are fighting, despite being married to Harley in Year 0. I wouldn't normally count this as a plot hole, for the reasons mentioned in my previous response, but when she again shows up in Ground Zero (which, I believe was written alongside or shortly after Year 0), no mention of it is made, despite it being made quite clear that both are far more devoted to their relationship than their main continuity counterparts. It's just a random, out-of-character moment compared to everything else we've been shown of this version of Ivy within the confines of Injustice 1's continuity.
And then Injustice 2 happens, and casually disregards a lot of continuity for just about everyone involved. But we don't need to talk about that.
@@ComXDude TBH all the continuity from the comics we need is The Quiver everything else beyond that is just icing on this amazing story
She was triggered because she knew Harley was right.
But she's can't handle the truth.
“This is gonna hurt. A lot.”
“Even better.”
OMG I love Harley so much. 😂
Reminds me of the words of Zero Punctuation: "Wonder Woman. Who had zero of Superman's reason to go evil but did it with twice the gusto!"