TRANSFORMING PVP EXPERIENCES - FATELESS PODCAST
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- TRANSFORMING PVP EXPERIENCES - FATELESS PODCAST
Fateless is a brand-new game studio created by passionate content creators with the goal of creating amazing community-focused games. On this channel, we are sharing our journey from start to launch of the creation of our first game, and future projects down the line.
00:00 Intro
01:45 Introduction: Drock
04:17 Raid Shadow Legends
06:15 Why PVP
09:39 PVP Seasons and Meta changes
16:12 RNG and Arena Mechanics
19:41 Addressing Player Feedback and Adjustments
24:44 PVP in other games
30:55 Depth in PVP
33:03 Seasonal and friendly tournaments
43:34 Closing Thoughts and Wrap-Up
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50 mins is a perfect length 👌
Thanks for having me on guys! So excited for Fateless to launch and really enjoyed talking about PVP with all of you!
Great to have you on man
Was a blast Drock thanks for taking the time!
Best podcast by far guys. Love the guy. Love the ideas. Love the interaction. PLEASE DELIVER THIS GAMEEEEE TAKE MY MONEYYYY
That heaven n hell concept is genius tbh
Never watched a full vid before from fateless.
But since poppa is here I had to lock in !!!
Love Drock, and love you doing all these podcasts and getting the views of these super relevant and experienced creators.
I don't live Raid PVP at all, but I still watch some Big Poppa Drock vids!
You nailed it when Drock said "add fun". Raid have missed out on so much easy tactiful fun.
- Mix up every mode with faction limits, affinity limits and type limits, without removing the core game mode versions so you can keep advancing there.
- Seasons where certain elements are increases/decreased as you said.
- Always plan the content so the standard gamer with a job and a family, can get some where within 30mins.
- Lastly, the best gaming experiences that I remember where sat next to a friend in co-op mode. We need to find out how to translate that experience to online games.
We have a section on our discord Martin if you want to drop your ideas there as well discord.gg/fateless . That way more people see them. Appreciate the feedback 🥰
Bro this episode was SO FUN!! Loved seeing the energy, guys
I'm looking forward to playing a truly balanced PvP, with a variety of modes. One thing that has not been talked about is a full f2p PvP only mode where the f2p players can compete against each other without having to face the Whales. I usually play 2 accounts, one pay--to-play and one f2p. The paid account always outshines the f2p obviously, but often it's my f2p that gives me more satisfaction as that is where you really have to min/max every champ and think your way through the content. It would be great to have a PvP only zone, not just in PvP, but in the PvE game proper like an instance for f2p players to come together and fight a big bad ass boss that changes every 2/3 months for rewards/gear enhancements that only a f2p player can get that may help in both PvE and PvP content. These rewards/enhancements also change when the boss/season ends to keep the players coming back.
I hope the full game is not seasonal. It's the main reason why Dragonheir is not doing better than it otherwise would, because seasons feel rushed and pressured, only to be reset and do it all over again. That is for hardcore gamers and the young with time on their hands only. Our generation don't have that sort of time commitment, we always have responsibilities and s**t to do in RL lol.
Edited this in 1 month is too short as Drock said. 2/3 months is the sweet spot. 4 months is too long.
Let’s go Drock!
Drock seems like a cool dude. I quit raid quite a while ago, but I never came across his content while I was playing. I'm super glad you guys chatted with someone like this, and can't wait to see what you do with PvP in your gods and legends game!!
Drock is indeed very cool 😎. Thanks for the feedback Gecko.
Great Job guys and Drock is a breath of fresh air welldone.
Thanks RWR, appreciate it! 🥰
The conversation about companies being transparent and communicating with their playerbase really resonated with me. Grinding Gear Games does this well and that is one reason why their game (Path of Exile) is so good.
You a real one my brother! Sverige fur Altid!
Papa drock is a awesome dude! 🎉
Drock sounded like he was going for Dionysos or one of his Satyrs 😂
Great podcast guys!
Finally this happened
Your discussion about listening to the community and other content creator feedback reminded me a lot of something I observed years ago with work. In late high school/early college, I worked at several different locations of the same fast food franchise, and it fascinated me the differences in each owners approach to management and reaching the community. One of them would always be out in the eating area trying to build relations with the community. They were able to interact with, say, 100 people per day. Sounds pretty good right? Well, it came at the cost of their employees not really caring how good of a job they did, and as such, the store just kinda stagnated and didn't grow. In contrast, one of the other locations I worked at, yeah, the owner did some rounds in the dining area, but he really focused on developing friendships with his employees. As a result, the employees enjoyed work a lot more and wanted to do better for the sake of the owner. Through investing in the employees, the owner was able to reach thousands of people per day, and the store grew rapidly.
Now, I'm not saying only listen to content creators here, but as you know they honestly are in the weeds of the game every day, and through them, game creators are able to reach FAR more people in a similar way.
Everyones opinion matters just as much as the next guys. However content creators are in a special position because they get fed back information as well so sometimes they're able to have a really good view of the overall picture. We'll always have feedback channels for every player. Thanks for the feedback pipin!
I REALLY love the idea of the Halls of Olympus and Gates of Hell.
Also about the time frame of a season, you could keep the statuses of which heroes are in the halls of olympus and which are in hell for 3 or 4 months, but have the ladder reset each month. This will make it so that no one player can push really hard for lets say a month and get so high up that they don't need to do much in the end.
I think Drock nailed it on his final thoughts. Depth, no huge RNG swings that decide the outcome of a match like polymorph or stoneskin and balance. My only concern about frequent pvp buffs and nerfs would be their impact on newer players. If someone only has 5 or 6 champions built and all the sudden the one they were leaning on in pvp isn’t good this season, or worse, on the other end of a nerf they might not be able to compete due to a lack of viable options.
Could always add Newby protection. Champs gain all seasonal buffs but no seasonal nerfs apply for x amount of time for new accounts.
Last Epoch's studio EHG are a prime example of what Drock was saying in terms of community engagement, they do weekly developer updates with questions and feedback. The most important/impressive aspect is the honesty, if they thin something will not work and won't fit in their game they are open about it. If you guys do one thing, please do this!
Thanks for the feedback James. Honesty is vital 100%.
Live the gem/arena bracket idea! It would get some of us involved that don't normally care much about PVP. It would be like watching sports brackets as a fan. It would also create a fan base of your best players. Such a great idea!
watch the movie “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen “. put some of those characters in the game. that would be awesome
Drock!!! Great podcast. Love the tournament idea sooo much! Clan tournaments would be fun as well.
Appreciate it zzero 🥰. Yea it's a really fun idea.
The team behind fateless being some community driven is amazing. Hopefully it's the raid killer we have all wanted.
Really hope progress isn't tied to pvp, that nonsense made Raid easy to leave. Droc is really engaging and so different from most CCs, just in displacement alone. Can't wait for the demo reel shorts 🔥
Hi Guys. Good pod cast once again. A big yes for clan tournament. It would be great to challenge your own clan mates.
Thanks for the feedback Ric, appreciate it 😎. Do you have a game in mind that did pvp really well?
@@FatelessGames Honestly I have never yet found a game where PVP was balanced correctly. So far Raid have made a good stab at it, though I work around facing harder opposition by only using a 1 man defence in Gold V.
I get great Yosemite Sam vibes from Drocks' Hercules.
You could have a circular Elemental wheel (Example: Void in center, Fire/Water L/R, Air top and Earth bottom) - have the focus rotate each PVP season where the favored element gets X% boost and the elements to either side get a lesser boost. Cross element gets no boost. It can rotate making each element and champs within in fluctuate in power.
It's nice to see you guys continually talk about taking player/community input and wanting to use it to make the game better. Drok hits the nail on the head with RAID's level of interest it actually has towards it's own community and don't even entertain the idea that RAID had anything to do with building the community. The CC's and the community itself built the community to what it is today. In fact, I would even go so far as to say, in a LOT if instances, RAID worked AGAINST the community more than it ever worked WITH the community.
Definitely stay away from RNG as much as you guys possibly can. The only other thing I would add to this podcast is don't have test servers that are up for only certain amounts of time. Have a couple test servers that are up 24/7/365 so players ... and not just CC's ... can get in there and play without fear of messing up their own accounts.
Love Pops!! If he doesn’t get to voice Dionysus, I’ll be pissed lol give me a drunk poppa Drock in the fateless universe 😂
Thanks for the feedback Scott, who knows what future holds 🤐
Alliance Heroes of the Spire had a system where you could practice against guildmates pvp teams as well as a system to share battle replays. It was a predecessor of raid that I believe Plarium had bought prior.
I really love these vids
I dont like watchers of realms but I do love the short movie clip they have when you pull a new Lego ! You get that ”whata f did I just pull” feeling ! They do that really good imo. Drock is such a good vibe (whitout poly 😂) he would be awesome in the Fateless team ! What a lineup you guys have !
Yeah those are really hype especially when you don't have them all memorised 😂. Thanks for the kind words Opusmax!
This was a fun 1.
😎Agreed
Rift had the best skill based PVP I have ever played. Honestly Uncle Sam whoopin ass would be the coolest thing ever. Later adding National Heroes for new factions would be so cool.
Another great podcast guys thanks as always. For characters what about Homer from the odyssey??? Just a thought:) keep up the good work all..
I think an ever changing PVP background landscape challenge would be fun. Changes like a burning floor where you need healing and fire champions thrive. Frost seasons where ice skills do way more damage. Minion NPC waves that you have do deal with during PVP battles. Poison and acid advantage and disadvantage seasons.
Oo that sounds interesting. Drop the idea on our discord too if you don't mind, discord.gg/fateless. Thanks for the feedback 🥰
2 words. Hire Drock. Rising star indeed.
As a butler rght?
@FatelessGames If you guys are ever needing a voice actor for like lore, look no further than Papa drock he has such an amazing voice
Lots of players do not like PVP in games but those games force them to play the PVP part of the game, much to their frustration. And they really like and enjoy the other elements of the game so put up with doing pvp because it's always linked to daily/weekly/monthly objectives. If you want to have PVP in Fateless, give it it's own area for those who want it and make the rewards and/or pvp shop give out either pvp specific items (PVP gear sets for example) or generic items that don't penalise the players who don't want to participate in pvp.
The meta swapping only works if we aren’t spending 30 hours a week grinding daily’s / weekly content. We would need the time to rebuild these champions every season every month
I'm not sure if they are doing it, but what some games in the past have done was have like a week preseason where you knew what was coming and had time to make adjustments for it.
So funny this type of videos lol
Something i wish Raid would do is like weekly or monthly pvp tournaments with restrictions similar to Cursed City. One tournament is no voids, one might be only epics, only certain factions, etc.
Sounds like a fun idea. Drop it on our discord too if you want, discord.gg/fateless
Nice one guys, just bring drock in and the show dRocks xD, as you mentioned in the beginning, check dragonball legends, they have a pvp boosted champs list per season
Thanks suuty, will do! Do you have like a relevant wiki page with the info for a noob (assuming I was one, which I certainly am not..).
Many card-based pvp games like heartstone of shadowverse have a rotation and unlimited pvp mode. Rotation mode swaps around cards, including all new cards and excluding old ones to keep the meta fresh without nerfing the legacy OP ones. In unlimited mode all cards are available. You can do the same with champions in gacha games. Keep all the new champions in Rotation mode and swap around the old ones. This works like a season-based pvp style
That sounds cool. Thanks for the feedback Kevin. Drop it on our discord too if you want for more people to see. discord.gg/fateless
You can also add myth from Native American, Aztecs, etc also some cryptids like bigfoot
😂😂 i'm picturing Drock squeezing himself under the stairs wearing a buttler uniform. I don't like PvP, but this alone is totally worth hiring him for 😂
Drocks job security is covered, always need a butler 😅
Yu-gi-oh Master Duel does this cool thing where it shows instant replays of games in higher tiers. Its great for newer players that are interested in building certain types of teams.
Sounds like a cool idea. Drop it on our discord too for more people to see if you don't mind. Discord.gg/fateless
Not so big in Pvp but like your ideas and uniqiue takes on it, it sounds fun. Well pvp does breed the hardcore players and the whales. But also hope Pve is also focused on
A round of good (and bad) auditions from Drock ... would watch. Throw in at least one ridiculous juxtaposition ... Aphrodite anyone?
😱Drock as Aphrodite.. oh lawd.
HellHades Idea is very like IMR , Kracken wars but very cool its almost like the champions league.... but be amazing if you could separate it into tiers :).Love this podcasts and chats :)
Thank you, appreciate it 🥰
I’ve tried a few games but have quite quickly gone back to raid. I don’t like seasons in pve, I don’t really bother with pvp unless I have to, I don’t like the ranking of heroes in afk journey for example, if you level 5 champions the rest get levelled? What’s that about, I don’t connect with characters if that happens, they are almost irrelevant. I’m really looking forward to the fateless game coming out, can’t wait
Thanks for the feedback Shelledra we're looking forward to it too 🤗
Please tell me Drock is going to be doing some voices in the new game? Surely?
Haha maybe 😅
Simon, I was just thinking today, what if Hydra clan boss had an option for you to use every champion to fight at once? What if your game Fateless had something like that? It would be really fun.
Every champion like 300+? I am afraid of the phones blowing up all over.
Word
For pvp system i would like to see a system that once a champs use rate reaches 75% for the season it gets a very small nerf. Tell the usage rate drops below 75%
Where Plarium got the PvP wrong is that it has simply used a formula of biggest spender will usually win the pvp battles, when, as a casino, it should have stuck with the gambling formula and included a luck aspect to player v player - in other words, having something inside the pvp arena that requires luck, not just dollars (instead of picking which champ to drop in live arena, it should be a random champ dropped).
Fateless are thinking outside the box, perhaps even doing things genre re-defining, & this fantasy religion aspect based on seasons is interesting, especially if it is random generated, not just copy & paste. Champ I would like to see - well any of the Viking gods & goddesses, Odin, Thor, loki, Hel, etc
Thanks for the feedback Simeonk. Interesting pvp is definitely near and dear to us. Drop your suggestions on our discord as well if you don't mind so more people see them. discord.gg/fateless
Should be live chat inside live arena .
Add Xerxes from 300. Attacks with loads of little peasant armies or can cast war elephants into battle!!
War elephants 😱. Would they stay on the field or just be like a one off attack?
What do you think about rotating the character/hero pool for each season instead of boosting/nerfing stats. Seems like it would be easier.
Can't really leak the finer details quite yet, but you should definitely drop ideas on our discord at discord.gg/fateless
I will hope pvp should be like this arena (normal) you can choose between your characters or from a pool, but the characters in this mode are full level full awaken etc... with no gear, this way is just skill vs skill
Put your hands in the air, you can call me big ..
I'm not really a fan of artificially making some champions worse than others because I am the type of person that wants to play only a specific character when they really love something about them. So if you want to have changing metas ok, have it your way, but I think the stat shifts shouldn't be too much. It shouldn't be an automatic lose if you pick one of those champs that are in "hell" this season. If someone really likes a champion they should still be able to use them and have a fair chance at winning. Look no further than league of legends for a good example. Champs get buffs and nerfs all the time and metas always shift, but if you are a one trick pony like me you can only play Lulu and still have a good winrate
I think a Native American lore champs would be cool. Things like the firebird for example.
Do you think they have enough for an entire faction or would you rather see them in some other way?
@@FatelessGames en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Native_American_deities some cool gods in there.
Big Poppa Drock would be an awesome Ares the god of war.
Big boots to fill right off the bat, I like it 😎
Also besides that personal tournaments you guys need to add Clan tournaments were the strongest players in the clan fight the others in real time pvp rising up up to clan champion status maybe the strongest 9 so it would be that they would have to win at least 5 to win imagen if Raid did something similar like putting MAD VS PANDAS for the grand final were us mortals bet our gems of what clan this season gonna be champion!
Ooo clan champion that sounds cool. Drop that suggestion in to our discord too for more people to see! discord.gg/fateless
I always thought a clan v clan where the clan leader chooses champions up to 5 for an arena fight would be cool
Champions as in players? Like pit your best 5 against our best 5?
@@FatelessGames that could be cool as well I was thinking more or less everyone puts up a champion and clan leader chooses a team to fight the other clan
All you guys need to do is copy/paste Raid pve and summoners war pvp. Keep rare, epic, legendary system for characters (not nat3, nat4, nat5 as it is in summoners) and gear items from Raid (not runes from summoners, bit confusing until u are used to it). For me that is the way. I agree 3 months are ideal for season reset, maybe do another game mode for fun with significant buffs and reset it more offten.
get a fox lego like Yumeko
🤔Lots of Fox ladies in mythology that's for sure..
Bring in Kratos9ghost of Sparta), would be great
😱Ooh interesting. As in like a playable character?
just implement a draft system to pvp like in madden.
What about if something is introduced in the game which doesn’t have the name polymorph but does the same? 😂
Oh god.. you don't want Drock the angry butler.. then again that could maybe be a champion name.
I'm telling you, at the end of your 1st video. Have someone say two or three words like. "So it begins"
🤔Hmm maybe. Thanks for the feedback godman.
I firmely believe that people who dont spend in raid, will definitely spend in fateless... if you guys do the right things and enable those people to have fun and dont just try to get money out of them. the feeling of getting scammed in a game is the worst by far...
If there was a game that the player base felt like they were a part of game "management" I would open up my wallet.
Hundred thousand managers 😎. Or a million?
Seasons should only be for PVP, maybe that's more interesting
How hard will the P2W kick in? How heavy will you monetize the game? How much will actually spending time in the game matter in terms of account growth? Will spending money outdo playing the game 10 fold? Or will you be able to nolife the game and pay lets say a subscription and keep up with the whales? Could you talk about that topic? My dream would be that there is a good Gacha game that you can play to compete. Make a couple of passes, do a lot of cosmetics, and get a 10 million playerbase that is waiting for that exact game.
34:10 afk arena has this. bet like 1mil on who wins
How does that work? Is it only for some small tourneys or can you bet on like a global winner?
@@FatelessGames ya it's for the seasonal tourny. You can bet 1mil gold on it daily. Win and you get double back. lose and nothing.
1mil isnt alot of money so ot's kidna whatever
Drock for Fateless. If you don't use this guy in some way, its a massive miss.
Not saying every part of the game has to be made for people like me. But understand there is nothing you could do to PvP where some would want to play PvP, so just don't force us to for PvE like Raid does. I'm not saying you couldn't come up with something new, but I've gamed for so long that I've been there done that and in the past they were always wrong and it wasn't fun. And grinding PvP in Raid for a few years so far to still be working on my GH for PvE is a real beat down at times.
I'm probably further than you in this vein, I despise pvp. I'm old, but that just seems like time you can spend making more pve content, but instead it's "go fight amongst yourselves"
@@rodclark4960 No, I totally agree. Not saying this of Fateless, but often that seems to be the point. If a game feels they can make money off people keeping each other busy then that becomes the focus.
@TrackMediaOnly it doesn't fit perfectly into the game in most cases either. You're trying to save the world, and there's a bunch more doing the same that you only interact with there? And the way you interact is attacking each other? Where do the rewards come from? I hate it lol. I think it's too Nietzche for me; I want everyone to succeed at their commitment level, I don't want to have to slap someone down because I need resources that only come from that.
I'm not actually a fan of PvP. In RAID you have to compete to get the affinity bouses and forge materials but thankfully their system is so broken you can get into Gold 5 without having had a single real fight. Just check back on a regular basis and snipe some one-man teams.
So, in your new game don't do that. Don't force people into PvP by making your account fall behind if you don't compete.
Thanks for the feedback 🥰
I’m sorry Simon…but “clickbait thumbnails” cause me personally NOT to click on a video! Just be real and sincere with a “thumbnail image” and i can get behind that.
Ok not sure how you can even come close to calling clickbait on this one
Where’s the clickbait?
I agree with the sentiment completely, but this one is certainly not click bait :)
I'm kind of confused as well. Did they not smile enough or something? I hate click bait too but?
Are you talking about droks use of thumbnails ? I like his thumbnails, feels exciting like i can tell he put in alot of effort