Why Did an Entire Town Fail to Report a Murder? | Ken McElroy Case Analysis

Sdílet
Vložit
  • čas přidán 11. 08. 2021
  • This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Ken Rex McElroy?
    Support Dr. Grande on Patreon: / drgrande
    Subscribe to the Bella Grande Media Podcast: / @bellagrandemedia
    Dr. Grande’s book Harm Reduction:
    www.amazon.com/Harm-Reduction...
    Dr. Grande's book Psychology of Notorious Serial Killers: www.amazon.com/Psychology-Not...
    Check out Dr. Grande’s merchandise at: teespring.com/stores/dr-grand...
    References:
    www.scribd.com/read/508809614...
    patch.com/us/across-america/w...
    www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/us...
    www.bustle.com/p/13-things-ab...
    missourilife.com/skidmore-rev...
    morbidology.com/the-town-that...
    www.talkmurderwithme.com/blog...
    www.harrymaclean.com/blog/no-...
    allthatsinteresting.com/ken-m...

Komentáře • 2,1K

  • @jamesbowman6925
    @jamesbowman6925 Před 2 lety +446

    "He burned down [twelve-year-old] Trina's house and shot the family dog in order to convince Trina's parents to allow her to marry him."
    If that had been my dog and my daughter he would have died that day.

    • @austingoyne3039
      @austingoyne3039 Před 2 lety +11

      Right. I’m thinking justice should’ve happened to Rex McElroy much sooner

    • @AndrewPureMI
      @AndrewPureMI Před 2 lety +30

      Right but the world we live in today "nobody" believes in the death penelty let alone standing up for YOURE HOME let alone YOUR DAUGHTER!!!! We live in a world of cowards these days!!!!

    • @daithipol
      @daithipol Před 2 lety +1

      @Andrew PureMI what is so brave about murdering a c*nt?
      I think the death penalty is backward medieval shit but I will defend my home and family in real time.That being said I wouldn't shed too many tears about this bollix. There is a fine line between murder and getting your defence in early.

    • @jamesbowman6925
      @jamesbowman6925 Před 2 lety +4

      @John M Reported to CZcams and law enforcement.

    • @lisakullack4055
      @lisakullack4055 Před 2 lety +1

      Yep

  • @rgs8970
    @rgs8970 Před 2 lety +1021

    I do think that sheriff read the room: "Hey, everyone, just so you know, WE are not going to do anything, so whatever you do, 'DO NOT' go to the bar right now [gives address of bar] and ABSOLUTELY 'DO NOT' take justice into your own hands. Byeeeeeeeeeeee" *drives away quickly*

    • @anonymousstrangeness7348
      @anonymousstrangeness7348 Před 2 lety +33

      😀 😂 😂 😂 😆 😜 😌 👍

    • @jobrownsmith116
      @jobrownsmith116 Před 2 lety +17

      😂🤣.

    • @Matt-fs1yy
      @Matt-fs1yy Před 2 lety +122

      And definitely DO NOT encourage anyone who decides to take the law into his own hands to wipe down their rifles, dismantle them with blowtorches, and dump them in dry wells on their farms.

    • @Somegirl811
      @Somegirl811 Před 2 lety +14

      Haha 🤣

    • @cas4040
      @cas4040 Před 2 lety +56

      I thought the same thing. I’m sure he had enough of the guy too.

  • @jagpilotohio
    @jagpilotohio Před 2 lety +183

    It’s really incredible that the community let him live so long. The sheriff and courts ought to be ashamed of themselves for continually releasing him. Such cowardice.

    • @Ken-fh4jc
      @Ken-fh4jc Před 7 měsíci +2

      Because they were good people who just assumed justice would be served. When it wasn’t, oh well.

  • @elainapiveral4974
    @elainapiveral4974 Před 2 lety +69

    As a child of the vigilantes' growing up in Skidmore I had the safest and quietest childhood growing up. These members of our community knew the only way to keep us the children safe was to get rid of the one threat that kept hurting everyone around them. People fail to mention he literally sat outside the school playground during school hours trying to give rides home to very young girls. The towns people are not scary or threatening. They are extremely open people who rally around each other in support. If someone passed you should expect an over abundance of food to show up. Outside chores to mysteriously be done for you. This town has blood smears but no more than any other town across America or any other city in any other country.

    • @devildriven4413
      @devildriven4413 Před rokem +13

      I respect that.

    • @rodbrock4759
      @rodbrock4759 Před rokem +11

      Skidmore is a great town. Only thing wrong is the bully live 25 years or so too long.

    • @Ken-fh4jc
      @Ken-fh4jc Před 7 měsíci +4

      I don’t think anyone thinks it is a bad town or the people are bad people. Good hardworking Americans who assumed justice would be served. When it wasn’t, they did what had to be done. I don’t normally like vigilante justice but there are exceptions to every rule.

  • @pierrepence9876
    @pierrepence9876 Před 2 lety +801

    "He burned down Trina's house and shot the family dog to convince her parents to allow her to marry him." Anybody else have to listen to that twice?

    • @juliofoolio2982
      @juliofoolio2982 Před 2 lety +90

      It happened twice, once to marry him and once when she left him.

    • @leonieromanes7265
      @leonieromanes7265 Před 2 lety +37

      He shot the family's dog.

    • @amandastakeonit7402
      @amandastakeonit7402 Před 2 lety +89

      Nope. I have heard several podcasts on it. There's a lot more to the story, including a lot of child rape, physical abuse and as it shows some of his wives (several lived with him at once) seemed to have Stockholm syndrome. They were terrified, if they tried to get away, he would hunt them down, I think there was a few he no longer wanted he let go or kicked out. The rest kind of developed the mentality, "Welp, if ya can't beat 'em, join 'em!". Jurors, attorneys and judges alike were threatened and blackmailed by him. He was a scary guy! Vigilante law came a callin'!

    • @pollypockets508
      @pollypockets508 Před 2 lety +59

      It's crazy that she sued for wrongful death when the town basically saved her from an abuser.

    • @myjourneyintorecoveryandwe9488
      @myjourneyintorecoveryandwe9488 Před 2 lety +8

      It's like Richard Kuklinski stabbed his wife to make her go out with him

  • @owie4070
    @owie4070 Před 2 lety +1046

    I heard about this case years ago. This guy was as vile as they come, and the people he hurt were denied justice. I feel no sympathy for him.

    • @DaisyLee1963
      @DaisyLee1963 Před 2 lety +88

      Agreed. And I have nothing but disgust at the law enforcement who enabled him for years before the town finally got rid of him. And that lawyer of his was terrible, too.

    • @carolnahigian9518
      @carolnahigian9518 Před 2 lety +47

      they made theWorld a Better Place.

    • @mamacito1795
      @mamacito1795 Před 2 lety +34

      100 % agree. I dont believe in vigilantism but I think if you were protecting someone and the aggressor gets hurt its fair. I dont think thats imputing wrong motives either. I think its entirely reasonable to believe Ken would have killed the shop owner given his past behaviour. In fact I believe it would've been negligent if the towns people had not acted to stop him. Why should an innocent man suffer because the law favors criminals?

    • @SjofnBM1989
      @SjofnBM1989 Před 2 lety +25

      Right that town did absolutely exactly what they needed to do

    • @BruceLeroyUK
      @BruceLeroyUK Před 2 lety +4

      Indeed

  • @thechumpsbeendumped.7797
    @thechumpsbeendumped.7797 Před 2 lety +126

    They put down a rabid dog the authorities kept releasing from his cage. I’d call it self defence if I was on the jury.

    • @bcatblues725
      @bcatblues725 Před rokem +5

      He shot two men one that was 70 in the neck. Nobody was helping these people protect themselves, so they took care of it, before someone in their family got shot again.

  • @beeley
    @beeley Před 2 lety +34

    That’s really sad that Trina fought for Rex after he died. I can’t imagine how messed up she must’ve been after years of abuse and chaos.

  • @warden821
    @warden821 Před 2 lety +473

    Dale Clements died of liver failure, presumably from everybody in that town volunteering to buy him a drink

  • @chriiiiis
    @chriiiiis Před 2 lety +426

    Ken: *gets murdered*
    The town: y'all hear sumthin?

  • @stevenrichards3699
    @stevenrichards3699 Před 2 lety +13

    Had a similar situation in Wisconsin back in the early 70's. A local scum bag got out of jail, moved back in with his scum bag father, and was stealing farm equipment, tools, log splitters etc. he was seen selling the stuff at a swap meet several counties away. He talked his way out of it by saying he had just bought the stuff from another vendor on that day. A week later, a group of men snuck up on the farm house one night and fired 55 rounds from deer rifles through the front of his house. No one got hurt, miraculously, but he got the message, and left.

  • @mountainmermaid8
    @mountainmermaid8 Před 2 lety +46

    My cousin lived in Skidmore for a period of time while working as a farmhand. He said a number of people told law enforcement that when the shooting started, they dove under the pool table in the bar. Law enforcement concluded it must be the biggest pool table in the world.

    • @rodbrock4759
      @rodbrock4759 Před rokem +1

      In my hometown he would have never made it to town.

  • @crazedfaeiry623
    @crazedfaeiry623 Před 2 lety +1276

    I've researched this case quite a bit in the last few years. They tried their best to get justice through the legal system. But in my honest opinion after exhausting every legal avenue they were left with no choice.

    • @feleciaclemons5074
      @feleciaclemons5074 Před 2 lety +50

      Exactly!!!

    • @BeckBeckGo
      @BeckBeckGo Před 2 lety +126

      And who is going to give a toss about getting any justice for him? It really was the perfect crime. He was a useless troglodyte pedophile who threatened everyone, and pretty much spent his life in the eye of a neverending tantrum.
      Nobody cares about that person. Nor should they.

    • @georgehart8879
      @georgehart8879 Před 2 lety +100

      Once Ken moved from years of stealing to arson endangering a family twice and to attempted murder (in which it's a miracle the man didn't die), it was time to get rid on him. When the sheriff left, they knew they had to get rid of him one way or another. Everyone in that crowd wanted him dead. They were all relieved when he was actually dead. Justice was served.

    • @JohnMcMahon.
      @JohnMcMahon. Před 2 lety +69

      Justice was done, in my opinion.

    • @greenbeagle13
      @greenbeagle13 Před 2 lety +48

      Agree with you. They tried to hit through the right channels - didn’t work, they did what they had to do. Job well done 👍

  • @creepyoldlady1268
    @creepyoldlady1268 Před 2 lety +456

    " McElroy's murder ... was the gift that keeps on giving and the townspeople were in a generous mood." 🤣🤣🤣 This one is an uber-Grande!

    • @JustDr.S
      @JustDr.S Před 2 lety +10

      Ikr? There were so many jokes in this one, it was hard to pick a favorite!🤣 Dr. G is the best!

    • @bellasmom2597
      @bellasmom2597 Před 2 lety +18

      That wasn't murder it was public service.

    • @sciencenate
      @sciencenate Před 2 lety +4

      This was my favorite as well

    • @harrycatful
      @harrycatful Před 2 lety +2

      Yeees was gonna quote this myself but you got there first😂😂😂

    • @GlennaVan
      @GlennaVan Před rokem +1

      @@JustDr.S LOL - not jokes, sarcastic observations. I love his dry humor.

  • @bellsina7150
    @bellsina7150 Před 2 lety +11

    My dad came from a family of 15 kids. Not only did all of those kids grow up to be excellent parents, but every single one of them had good jobs, we're hard-working, some put themselves through college, they are all good people, none with any criminal history.. My point is that even though there was 15 kids in the family, it was a very close knit family, no they didn't get all the one-on-one attention they needed from each of their parents, but they all had each other, and not a single one ever got any trouble with the law, or become killers because of mommy or daddy issues..

  • @JudgeLazar
    @JudgeLazar Před 2 lety +42

    One detail you didn't include or missed is that at the town meeting before McElroy was killed, the Sheriff made a point to tell the people of the town that he would be unreachable in the time between leaving the town and getting to his office. It was obviously a wink wink nudge nudge telling the people that although he could not take any official action as Sheriff against McElroy, if something were to happen to him before the Sheriff got back to his office, it would be very hard to find enough evidence to prove who had killed him. That was the entire basis for naming the Sheriff specifically in the wrongful death lawsuit.

    • @jeaniechampagne8831
      @jeaniechampagne8831 Před rokem +3

      To me, this is questionable. Who would have ratted on the Sheriff? No one. There were no cell phones. Not the first time Sheriff could not be reached.

    • @GlennaVan
      @GlennaVan Před rokem +6

      I'm quite certain she named everyone his horrible lawyer could think of - that I how it is usually done.

    • @VelveteenRabbit77
      @VelveteenRabbit77 Před rokem +2

      @@jeaniechampagne8831 There was a time, before cellphones.

    • @jturtle5318
      @jturtle5318 Před rokem +1

      Yhe Sheriff admitted saying "ding dong, the witch is dead".

    • @VelveteenRabbit77
      @VelveteenRabbit77 Před rokem

      @@jturtle5318 What witch?? Which sheriff the fabulous Grady Judd????

  • @robasiansensation3118
    @robasiansensation3118 Před 2 lety +367

    Dr. Grande, Missouri girl here, I can tell you one thing- That sheriff left town because he knew very well what was going to happen. He all as much gave his blessing. He was whistling on his way down the road.

    • @headishome8452
      @headishome8452 Před 2 lety +21

      Yes, we definitely are the "Show me " state!!

    • @shelleyc0828
      @shelleyc0828 Před 2 lety +6

      Yes, you are!!

    • @thor9563
      @thor9563 Před 2 lety +3

      Not exactly 'Walking Tall'. Mebee he deputized the town.

    • @sunnydlite-t8b
      @sunnydlite-t8b Před 2 lety +14

      Who gives a shit. His lack of balls and doing his job allowed much of this shit to go on to begin with.

    • @Bambino_60
      @Bambino_60 Před 2 lety +7

      @@sunnydlite-t8b exactly

  • @Kari.F.
    @Kari.F. Před 2 lety +468

    Why? Because they had no other choice. This is a matter of a town standing their ground against the town's relentless, psycho bully. If this town collectively committed a crime in this case, it is for once one that I approve of. They murdered the human equivalent of the bubonic plague.

    • @KytexEdits
      @KytexEdits Před 2 lety +51

      Yeah if this guy was going around town threatning people and then ALSO being released on bail, getting his gun, violating his conditions and then ONCE AGAIN being released I'd also have no hope in the police/justice system. I'd be fucking terrified.

    • @kam0406
      @kam0406 Před 2 lety +32

      Exactly. These people were absolutely driven to it.

    • @bcvids9
      @bcvids9 Před 2 lety +8

      👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

    • @GyroLamb
      @GyroLamb Před 2 lety +33

      this guy was not a bully, i think of bullying as like someone who is a troublemaker, but more in a picking fights kind of way, i think killing animals and arson and shooting people goes beyond bullying.

    • @JohnDoe-zw8vx
      @JohnDoe-zw8vx Před 2 lety +26

      @@GyroLamb same. He is a dangerous criminal and psychopath.

  • @copperridgegrow3940
    @copperridgegrow3940 Před rokem +9

    Rex taught the town a valuable lesson:
    No witness, no charge

    • @scottysmith719
      @scottysmith719 Před rokem

      Trina

    • @Meela234
      @Meela234 Před 11 měsíci

      ​@@scottysmith719She didn't count. Never did.

    • @scottysmith719
      @scottysmith719 Před 11 měsíci

      @@Meela234 I know she didn't, I was just saying his lesson wasn't effective, about leaving no witnesses, I was just pointing out they left Trina, (a witness), but the good news is they are both dead now!
      I will pick on a bully if I see them in action, regardless, of their physical attributes or the level of their ego, and my favorite thing, is finding an ego so bloated because of their position of authority, or title one may have, I do not like hypocrites, I usually don't even comment, unless I can make a comment that's brings one to laughter, or if they deserve to be called out, It don't bother me or phase me if I hurt their feelings when pointing out ethics and morals, but you got to be right when doing so

  • @Quacks0
    @Quacks0 Před 2 lety +12

    What you said last about Ken McElroy really "hits home" with my own experience regarding my old man --- like Ken, he was impervious to common sense or reason; he only responded positively to threats of violence and/or legal action. There are lots of Ken Rex McElroys in the world, and my cruel sadistic father was one of them.

  • @faronrich9381
    @faronrich9381 Před 2 lety +345

    When you aren't a sadist and psychopath, it is hard to imagine what a sadist and psychopath can and will do with glee. In this case, the townspeople were literally outgunned until they did the justice system's job themselves. I'm not a death penalty supporter, but like the townspeople, I would never have cooperated with the cops. Where were they when the town needed them?

    • @leonieromanes7265
      @leonieromanes7265 Před 2 lety +23

      I feel he left them with no choice.

    • @TT-ww8vv
      @TT-ww8vv Před 2 lety +38

      I blame the courts. His crimes were distinctively terrible enough to set him apart from typical antisocial lowlife, how he was ever allowed to even post bail is baffling. Why didn't they throw the book at him when they knew he was incorrigible, habitual criminal?

    • @SuperNuclearUnicorn
      @SuperNuclearUnicorn Před 2 lety +14

      I'm the same as you, I'm very much against the death penalty, but also these people tried to do everything right and put up with an absurd amount of shit. They were absolute saints just putting up with what they did before they got rid of the bastard. If the justice system did its job there would be a lot more people in much better positions, including ol fuckface himself

    • @anonymousperson3023
      @anonymousperson3023 Před 2 lety +2

      @@SuperNuclearUnicorn the justice system does do it's job. Im sorry you dont have the patience for it though

    • @Fettclone1
      @Fettclone1 Před 2 lety +11

      I agree with the theory that the sheriff left knowing they would take matters into their own hands. The attempt at an investigation after may simply have been the pretense of due diligence to avoid more attention.

  • @NewRedYolk
    @NewRedYolk Před 2 lety +185

    Sometimes there isn't a good solution, there's only an effective one.

    • @nightshadehelis9821
      @nightshadehelis9821 Před 2 lety +5

      Damn. I like this a lot. Well said.

    • @NewRedYolk
      @NewRedYolk Před 2 lety +2

      I've heard about this case many times, and he was nothing short of a terrorist. Waiting for the law to do right would only lead to more violence and harm. The town did what it had to do, 'right' or 'wrong'. It's a sad situation all around.

    • @davidh6300
      @davidh6300 Před 2 lety +3

      I would argue the town of Skidmore found a solution that was both good and effective.

    • @khathaway414
      @khathaway414 Před 2 lety +1

      True very true.

    • @catherinedove7168
      @catherinedove7168 Před 2 lety

      What does one do with a rabid skunk. What we must.

  • @Texaslonestargal
    @Texaslonestargal Před 11 měsíci +5

    Dr. Grande, I’m from a rural town near Skidmore,Missouri and was a young adult when this happened. I know people who knew McElroy personally and one guy who hunted with him. Believe me, he got what he deserved. When the law failed to protect the community, the community did what needed to be done. Small towns take care of their own. Thank you for your analysis of this case.

  • @norml.hugh-mann
    @norml.hugh-mann Před 2 lety +12

    Mcelroy got much more kindness and mercy than he deserved

  • @ernaanspach473
    @ernaanspach473 Před 2 lety +263

    Growing up in northern Missouri, the story of Skidmore became an urban legend when I was a kid.
    The story I always heard was that the sheriff actually whipped up the crowd before driving off, fully knowing what was about to happen.
    I think our parents used the story as a teaching tool. "See what can happen to bullies?"

    • @BeckBeckGo
      @BeckBeckGo Před 2 lety +30

      Well… yeah. A lot of adult bullies eventually end up pissing off the wrong person.

    • @therealmrsruttle
      @therealmrsruttle Před 2 lety +2

      Did it work? 😄

    • @sekenamcmurren2217
      @sekenamcmurren2217 Před 2 lety +3

      @@BeckBeckGo Facts 🗣

    • @paulmyers7078
      @paulmyers7078 Před 2 lety +15

      I would bet that the sheriff, just like the towns people, breathed a sigh of relief after McElroy got his just deserts.

    • @stupidhat1779
      @stupidhat1779 Před 2 lety +2

      Good on parents for using the story that way!

  • @cplmpcocptcl6306
    @cplmpcocptcl6306 Před 2 lety +192

    Gotta admit, this is a “feel good” story.🥰

    • @janneplanman6433
      @janneplanman6433 Před 2 lety +1

      I have bad qualities in my brain and acts, but I totally agree with you. There is that line between being bad and being evil.

    • @sherrihinton8567
      @sherrihinton8567 Před 2 lety +3

      I've been laughing at this video. It's hilarious

  • @AmusedChild
    @AmusedChild Před 2 lety +37

    I honestly do not think it is murder when law-abiding people exhaust all legal options against what was obviously a corrupt system in which the deceased intimidated and/or bribed witnesses.

    • @GlennaVan
      @GlennaVan Před rokem +3

      If that community had passed their own laws rather than having to comply with state laws and a clever (and money-hungry) lawyer, laws would have been changed to take care of this in a legal manner. Not releasing someone on bail after they have been found guilty would be a good first step!

  • @2horses4U
    @2horses4U Před 2 lety +13

    I think that sherif read the mood of his townspeople quite well.

  • @NealB123
    @NealB123 Před 2 lety +286

    This is a wonderful American success story. The good people of a good town handed this sociopathic fool his justice when law enforcement and the legal system refused to do their jobs. Well done to the people of Skidmore, MO. Well done indeed.

    • @waveril5167
      @waveril5167 Před 2 lety +10

      Ahh wonderfull America.. Where the legal system don't work.. So woderfull..

    • @gabork5055
      @gabork5055 Před 2 lety +18

      @@waveril5167 I've seen, heard and experienced things first hand, it doesn't always work outside of the U.S. either.
      Actually it often doesn't and it's best to be prepared for that.

    • @waveril5167
      @waveril5167 Před 2 lety +4

      @@gabork5055 Maybe.. I live in Switzerland.. Here it works really well for us. I think :)

    • @libertatemadvocatus1797
      @libertatemadvocatus1797 Před 2 lety +12

      @@waveril5167
      I can't speak for Switzerland, but I know there are quite a few Ken McElroy types in Canada and Australia that the law never seems to be able to do anything about.

    • @chazzbranigaan9354
      @chazzbranigaan9354 Před 2 lety +11

      @@waveril5167 ah yes Switzerland the international haven for elites accused of every crime under the sun particularly financial. What a wonderful justice system you have lol.

  • @spookytv2
    @spookytv2 Před 2 lety +90

    Born, raised, and still live in North Missouri (I live less than an hour from Skidmore). This is a story that everyone here knows, and everyone knows that McElroy was asking for what came to him. He abused everyone around him and it came straight back.

    • @Doughboy842
      @Doughboy842 Před 2 lety +6

      What's Skidmore like these days?
      Oneday I might visit that Town out of curiosity.

    • @AwkwardStinkerbelle
      @AwkwardStinkerbelle Před 2 lety +1

      I’m from about 20 miles away (live in AZ now) and haven’t been there in years but Skidmore is dead now.

  • @karenhildebrand6072
    @karenhildebrand6072 Před rokem +4

    I met him very briefly in the early 70's. He had a powerful hand shake and a powerful voice; he could have been very intimidating.

  • @icucingme
    @icucingme Před 2 lety +14

    The Sheriff had some nerve telling the town's folk to just simply avoid Ken. As if they were seeking interactions with him. That poor town put up with his harassment for two decades. Happy ending as far as I am concern.

  • @bucksdiaryfan
    @bucksdiaryfan Před 2 lety +204

    I love how he doesn't break his monotone cadence when he drops in one of his cornball jokes... its very entertaining

    • @samanthamoore1084
      @samanthamoore1084 Před 2 lety +12

      I was thinking the exact same thing. So painfully dry it's like another layer of humor on top of the joke. lol

    • @clownchaostime3024
      @clownchaostime3024 Před 2 lety +14

      Yep...once or twice in every analysis he'll drop a snippet of sarcasm and just keep on rolling along....and I'll be cracking up at how smooth he came across with his wit. Freaking hilarious!

    • @personofinterest8731
      @personofinterest8731 Před 2 lety +9

      He nails deadpan, very funny

    • @epowell4211
      @epowell4211 Před 2 lety +9

      It's almost like someone wrote the script for him and he doesn't know it's a joke - almost. I admit, when I first started watching him, I wondered if he was on the autism spectrum.

    • @alexyoungberg5232
      @alexyoungberg5232 Před 2 lety +2

      Me too lol

  • @kati-ana
    @kati-ana Před 2 lety +57

    There were 15 kids, of the 15 how many came out as rotten and as despicable as this one? I cannot stand bullies. Bullies leave traumatized victims in their path w/o any remorse. He got what he had coming to him. It came later than it should have, but thankfully it came. Zero pity for bullies.

    • @psychedelicpayroll5412
      @psychedelicpayroll5412 Před 2 lety +4

      I bet they all moved away or changed their names.

    • @susanh1292
      @susanh1292 Před 2 lety +1

      Exactly!

    • @catsberry4858
      @catsberry4858 Před 2 lety +3

      I'm seeing a scary trend when there are too many kids in a home resulting in neglect and dysfunction and even crime...

  • @captainamerica6525
    @captainamerica6525 Před 2 lety +8

    I've listened to many presentations , TV investigations, and breakdowns concerning Ken Rex McElroy. This guy terrorized that town over and over. The sheriff failed, the court system failed. The town took matters into their own hands. I don't blame them. Who else was fated to die or get shot at that maniacs hands? I am unsure what others may have done but if it was my daughter and my home Ken Rex McElroy would have had a stone with his name-birthdate-last date breathing that very day.

  • @Yowzer122
    @Yowzer122 Před 2 lety +5

    For a small town, Skidmore has some scary history. This case and the Bobbi Jo Stinnett case really put it on the map. I grew up not far from there, and my mom would tell my brothers and me to stay out of Skidmore.

  • @margie7596
    @margie7596 Před 2 lety +184

    Seems like the town’s people took the law in their own hands out of fear of retaliation by McElroy and knowing they would have no support from law enforcement to protect them. Incredible case, thank you for your analysis.

    • @mrparlanejxtra
      @mrparlanejxtra Před 2 lety +4

      Dirty Harry summed it up when he said 'pretty soon someone. gets killed because their dog pissed on someone's lawn. The point is that without fair law enforcement and justice anarchism prevails.

    • @gabork5055
      @gabork5055 Před 2 lety

      I got the impression his lackeys got off easy though.

    • @pollypockets508
      @pollypockets508 Před 2 lety +8

      I think that it's more of the courts than law enforcement. They did arrest him over and over. But the courts forced them to let him go.

    • @margie7596
      @margie7596 Před 2 lety +3

      @@pollypockets508 thank you. Yes, that makes sense.

    • @ryanbales8116
      @ryanbales8116 Před 2 lety +5

      The townspeople took the trash out.

  • @55shocked55
    @55shocked55 Před 2 lety +100

    My mom is from this area. Lived there when this happened. Was friends with Trena. She suffered much abuse and deserved this "vigilante justice". Hes was a sick man and deserved what he got. This is how all towns should behave. Take care of one another

    • @mysteryjunkie9808
      @mysteryjunkie9808 Před 2 lety

      So your mom knows who did it but isn’t talking?

    • @sherunswithscissors
      @sherunswithscissors Před 2 lety +3

      Does your mom have a .22?

    • @elleblue07
      @elleblue07 Před 2 lety +7

      XX523 325Xx - Does your Mom know why Trina/Trena decided to sue people for wrongful death though? It kinda sounds like she was defending or trying to get ‘justice’ for Ken afterwards, when she would have been forgiven for wanting to quietly move on with her life and be rid of anything to do with him. Was she an opportunist in the aftermath?

    • @55shocked55
      @55shocked55 Před 2 lety +2

      @@mysteryjunkie9808 no she don't know she wasn't there when it happened.

    • @55shocked55
      @55shocked55 Před 2 lety +3

      @@sherunswithscissors its Missouri who don't

  • @lnc-to4ku
    @lnc-to4ku Před 2 lety +6

    Is it wrong that I almost stood up and cheered when I heard that 2 people from that town shot him, and that no one tried to save him?
    What a great video, Dr. Grande, from beginning to end!
    Your knowledge coupled with your wit is unparalleled, and I just love when I see your serious face break into a smirk! 😂😂
    Loved the lines "He needed a killing." And the "Mythical Monster."

  • @infinitystudiozz
    @infinitystudiozz Před 2 lety +13

    Great video as always! Though you left out all the accusations of child grooming. The woman with him in the car was a girl he had lured away from her family and kept since she was a young teen.

  • @davcuts2897
    @davcuts2897 Před 2 lety +130

    I don't like to see people take the law into their own hands, but I can understand why people where so scared of this man they took his life. Especially when he never seemed to have to answer for anything he ever did, including attempted murder.

    • @mysteryjunkie9808
      @mysteryjunkie9808 Před 2 lety +7

      When the Sheriff says we need to do a neighbor watch that’s when you know you need to take matter into there own hand

  • @rbrianjones
    @rbrianjones Před 2 lety +194

    I’m blown away at just how prolific Dr. Grande is. The sheer volume of high quality, entertaining videos you release is truly impressive.

  • @Ed19601
    @Ed19601 Před 2 lety +2

    I remember hearing about this years ago. . the town made the record of having the largest pool table in the world. Apparently 80 of the townspeople 'hid under the pooltable' when they heard the shooting and saw nothing

  • @esme68
    @esme68 Před 2 lety +9

    Sometimes in rare circumstances an illegal action is imperative because of extreme necessity.

  • @craigbenz4835
    @craigbenz4835 Před 2 lety +121

    "The victim needed killing" is a time honored defense in American jurisprudence.

    • @nanakoosa1
      @nanakoosa1 Před 2 lety

      hahahaha, yes

    • @susangray4907
      @susangray4907 Před 2 lety +1

      Accurate

    • @BIG_FISH55
      @BIG_FISH55 Před 2 lety +2

      True. Underscores the importance of micro networks self correcting aberrant components. We can all agree that murder is wrong but also allowing murder is wrong. But sometimes the lesser of two evils must exist. Ethics is wild af sometimes 🤣

    • @gingw7333
      @gingw7333 Před 2 lety +3

      I heard that old saying as "He wanted killing." Either way, this one ceased being a deadly threat to everyone in the county.

    • @Celeste-jh2lj
      @Celeste-jh2lj Před 2 lety +1

      In this case he deserved it. Cops had no interest in stopping him

  • @gullwingstorm857
    @gullwingstorm857 Před 2 lety +119

    The sheriff wasn't disconnected at all - he knew that justice needed to be served. I wouldn't have seen anything that day either.

    • @SF-eo6xf
      @SF-eo6xf Před 2 lety +9

      Yep, the Sheriff new what is going to happen and noone in their right mind would have stand in their way.

    • @gingw7333
      @gingw7333 Před 2 lety +8

      Think I'd have had the overpowering urge to take a long hot bath about that time.

    • @GlennaVan
      @GlennaVan Před rokem

      @@gingw7333 He did the appropriate thing - he was driving out of town as McElroy was driving into town so he could not have known what was going to happen. To accuse him of knowing would be foolish - he was not a fortune teller.
      Considering all that had been done and how long it had been going it, it is amazing it was not done before. The judge granting him bond after a guilty verdict was the last straw. Everyone knew he would get off once again when he appealed! However, the shopkeeper might have been dead by then. I don't look at it as them taking a life but rather saving at least one life! He had the names of everyone who signed the paper and he would likely have gone after everyone of them as he had supposedly threatened to do.

  • @loris3595
    @loris3595 Před 2 lety +11

    It was more self defense on the peoples part. They dispensed justice in the only way open to them.

    • @tonyrhoton6613
      @tonyrhoton6613 Před 11 měsíci

      Shooting anyone in the back isn't justice its a coward that does this he died of liver trouble from being a drunk he paid a slow death even if they would have shot in cold blood at least do it 2 his face that whole town was a bunch of cowards scard 2 fight him rip. The king of skid more

  • @mortsnerd6053
    @mortsnerd6053 Před rokem +2

    The fact that no one cracked, shows a loyalty you rarely see considering how many people had to know everything.

  • @misanthrope541
    @misanthrope541 Před 2 lety +84

    The sheriff knew what he was doing. He was looking at a host of upset citizens barely toeing the lynch mob line, his hands were tied as the court never backed him. He did his job informed and advised the citizenry then left knowing and not wanting to be a witness.

    • @bellasmom2597
      @bellasmom2597 Před 2 lety +13

      Yeah that makes sense. He did arrest Ken several times.

  • @bradmiller6507
    @bradmiller6507 Před 2 lety +76

    It must have been some type of hunting accident. There was probably a deer in front of his truck and the hunter missed the deer and hit the victim.

    • @kathyclark8274
      @kathyclark8274 Před 2 lety +10

      Hilarious, but sounds reasonable to me!

    • @stupidhat1779
      @stupidhat1779 Před 2 lety +6

      Hunting accident or really bizarre suicide ;-)

    • @peggypeggy4137
      @peggypeggy4137 Před 2 lety +3

      @@stupidhat1779 McElroy committed suicide by way of really pissed off townsfolk that used hunting rifles.

    • @TrixieTreat
      @TrixieTreat Před 2 lety +7

      I heard it was the deer that shot Ken. Out for revenge.

    • @dyslexicboogaloo
      @dyslexicboogaloo Před 2 lety +2

      @@TrixieTreat I heard that too. Rex told Trina “get in the truck dear” but the deer didn’t understand what that meant.

  • @renee1961
    @renee1961 Před 2 lety +5

    Hello, Dr. Grande. Hope you're doing well! I remember when this happened! I read the book, too. He was a horrible person!

  • @teddyboukagain9985
    @teddyboukagain9985 Před 2 lety +2

    It wasn’t a murder, it was a spontaneous delivery of justice.

  • @CapitalCCapitalC
    @CapitalCCapitalC Před 2 lety +57

    This is one of my favorite stories. I love it when a plan comes together. 🤣💀

  • @floxy20
    @floxy20 Před 2 lety +35

    I read the book about the case and was amazed by the length of time his predatory crimes lasted without the justice system taking any action. When they finally got a conviction he was out on the streets the next day pending an appeal. As Mark Twain said: there are three types of assault, aggravated, felonious, and praiseworthy.

    • @jeremyt2212
      @jeremyt2212 Před 2 lety +12

      With regards to the death of McElroy, I can't help being reminded of another Mark Twain quote, "I will be unable to attend the funeral, though I do approve of it."

    • @dyslexicboogaloo
      @dyslexicboogaloo Před 2 lety

      I always loved Mark Twain and now that you mention it I can picture him delivering lines like that in the same droll deadpan as Dr Grande.

  • @ChubbieVickie
    @ChubbieVickie Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you for this, Dr. Grande. After the "Hospitalized for Nonexistent Delusion", this video gives an appropriate uplifting feeling, which is nice.

  • @libertatemadvocatus1797
    @libertatemadvocatus1797 Před 2 lety +2

    I know this is a paraphrase, but I can imagine a discussion with the killer of this man going this way:
    Q: "How did it feel to kill another human being?"
    A: "I wouldn't know. I only killed Ken McElroy."

  • @freeman4589
    @freeman4589 Před 2 lety +105

    They did not fail to do anything.
    Law enforcement and the judicial system failed this entire community.
    They did what they were forced to do to protect their own.
    Made a pact with each other and took it to the grave with them.

    • @feleciaclemons5074
      @feleciaclemons5074 Před 2 lety +3

      🤷💯

    • @healgoth
      @healgoth Před 2 lety +11

      The sheriff was AT that meeting… Law enforcement ended up helping by not helping as the sheriff drove out of town after the town meeting

    • @dougchance8891
      @dougchance8891 Před rokem

      freeman
      A town where everyone went deaf-mute and blind-all at the same time.

  • @mollymollie6048
    @mollymollie6048 Před 2 lety +95

    I grew up in STL MO and was familiar with this case when it happened, and have watched other documentaries on it. Although I’m a city girl, it is understood that small towns have a different way of managing justice. My understanding of this case is that McElroy’s threats and harassment (which included the prosecuting atty of the county) went unchecked for many, many years. The general feeling was that he got what was coming to him, and that the shooters were protected because no one (law enforcement, etc) could not protect them, and that the town did the right thing. It sounds horrible, but I don’t blame what the townspeople did, based on my understanding of the case. Again, thank you for another interesting analysis.

    • @paulmyers7078
      @paulmyers7078 Před 2 lety +12

      Very few people today have an understanding, or insight into, a situation in which an absolutely fearless psychopath has singled them out for long term terroristic harassment and death threats. The victim never knows if or when the monster will be waiting outside (or even in the home) to savage or kill them. The monster can destroy property, vandalize a vehicle, kill pets, or physically assault the victim with apparent impunity. The law cannot or will not help, witnesses will not come forward to testify, etc. The town of Skidmore had had enough of the terrorist.

    • @mollymollie6048
      @mollymollie6048 Před 2 lety +11

      @@paulmyers7078 Agreed, Skidmore had had enough, and he was allowed to terrorize the whole community, including law enforcement, who I believe were too afraid of him to do anything about it. I appreciate the courage the townspeople showed in the face of a life threatening menace after exhausting every avenue to try and have him locked up for his crimes.

    • @melaniewood3506
      @melaniewood3506 Před 2 lety +6

      It's called "Country justice".

  • @vladimirputindreadlockrast812

    There is a time and place for everything, even vigilante justice. This was such a time.

    • @mackattackgameclips4648
      @mackattackgameclips4648 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Sounds to me like he was tried, convicted, and sentenced by a jury of his peers 🤷‍♂️

  • @madjayneify
    @madjayneify Před 2 lety +2

    The concept of a defense attorney with a “Two felonies for the price of one special” is too funny! goddamnit, Doc you get me to crack a smile multiple times a video, quite often 😆

  • @emilyhollis4231
    @emilyhollis4231 Před 2 lety +35

    I have always enjoyed this story. Does that make me a horrific person? I mean, a community coming together to eradicate a problem...it's kind of beautiful.
    Thanks for your (always) interesting analysis, Dr Grande!

    • @hootax8980
      @hootax8980 Před 7 měsíci

      Nah, you're not a horrible person. After a certain point, it was clear McElroy was just going to continue his spree, murdering him was self-defense

  • @robertfolkner9253
    @robertfolkner9253 Před 2 lety +31

    It sounds to me as if the sheriff read the mood at that meeting perfectly well, and THAT is why he drove out of town.

  • @TheBerkeleyBeauty
    @TheBerkeleyBeauty Před 2 lety +2

    There was a made for television movie in the early 90’s about this guy. It was called “In Broad Daylight”, and it starred Brian Dennehy as McElroy. Pretty good.

  • @themechaniacal1558
    @themechaniacal1558 Před 2 lety +3

    I remember watching the movie starring Brian Dennehy. That inspired me to read the book "In Broad Daylight" by Harry MacLean. Bravo to the town of Skidmore, Missouri. Death, justifiable homicide. No different than having a rabid dog put down.

  • @chubbycatfish4573
    @chubbycatfish4573 Před 2 lety +44

    The only crime here is that the town waited as long as they did to act...

    • @kingayy9267
      @kingayy9267 Před 2 lety +4

      They were civilised people; violence wasn't the first "solution" they jumped to.

    • @austingoyne3039
      @austingoyne3039 Před 2 lety +1

      @@kingayy9267 after the law fails twice to contain such a dangerous sociopath, I’d say it’s time for the alternative

    • @EricDodsonLectures
      @EricDodsonLectures Před 2 lety

      @@kingayy9267 ... Civilized people are also willing to defend themselves against the predations of unrestrained barbarism -- as opposed to letting it continue indefinitely.

  • @Dan-ud8hz
    @Dan-ud8hz Před 2 lety +100

    'In northwest Alaska, kunlangeta "might be applied to a man who, for example, repeatedly lies and cheats and steals things and does not go hunting, and, when the other men are out of the village, takes sexual advantage of many women." The Inuits tacitly assume that kunlangeta is irremediable. And so, according to Murphy, the traditional Inuit approach to such a man was to insist he go hunting, and then, in the absence of witnesses, push him off the edge of the ice.'
    Martha Stout, The Sociopath Next Door

    • @kathyclark8274
      @kathyclark8274 Před 2 lety +5

      Fascinating

    • @sarah2.017
      @sarah2.017 Před 2 lety +13

      There was a group of polar explorers who did something like this to one of their own, because he was stealing all their food. Either he had to "go", or all the rest of the crew would die themselves.

    • @mamacito1795
      @mamacito1795 Před 2 lety +13

      I personally have no issue with this whatsoever. Living where I live where people are given state assistance housing free schooling and seeing he absolute animals who appreciate none of it and just indulge in anti social behaviour making their hard working neighbours lives hell, a couple of over indulged brat ice cubes doesnt sound like a bad idea. My only worry is they might be dug up in 10000 years and be considered representative of all humans who lived in the past 🤔

    • @CC-hx5fz
      @CC-hx5fz Před 2 lety +5

      I've never understood why modern legal systems can't acknowledge that there will always be one person that you don't want in your family, or near your family. They are risky people to have as neighbours. They are no use to themselves and no use to anybody else.

    • @EricDodsonLectures
      @EricDodsonLectures Před 2 lety +1

      It's a marvelous testament to the wisdom of indigenous cultures.

  • @btetschner
    @btetschner Před 2 lety +1

    I used to live in Missouri (went to the University of Missouri).
    This case was the very first topic for the first class I ever took for college, it was in a Introduction to philosophy class.

  • @maryohare4141
    @maryohare4141 Před 2 lety +6

    When there is no justice and a dirty lawyer and a group of outlaws are "feeding off them" with the cops "looking other way" ....it is Wyatt Urp time. God Bless that town for protecting those elderly shop owners! ...I hope they fired sherrif and judges that kept allowing this bully to go free. I also hope they "ran off" the "skank girlfriends" who helped Ken steal and terrorize. God bless the town heroes who ended that nightmare!

    • @charliscott45
      @charliscott45 Před rokem

      He was not a dirty lawyer. He was doing the job that the county required him to do. He was very sympathetic to the townspeople.

  • @istateyourname4710
    @istateyourname4710 Před 2 lety +80

    Amazing that decades later the town is still mum about Ken Rex. Sometimes small town justice ⚖ prevails.

    • @feleciaclemons5074
      @feleciaclemons5074 Před 2 lety +5

      Love it!

    • @dianedenham5259
      @dianedenham5259 Před 2 lety +2

      I don't think there's much left of the town, people just drifted away after what happened.

    • @chad3232132
      @chad3232132 Před 2 lety +6

      I don't feel bad for Ken, but I do feel for his kids. In one documentary I saw them in you could see how hard life has been for them. Their dad (dirtbag as he was) was murdered and they became outcasts in the community through no fault of their own. One of his kids, now grown, literally had to watch the film demonizing his own father when he was in school.

    • @z54964380
      @z54964380 Před 2 lety

      @@chad3232132 Well his dad was a POS, like Tyrion the imp said “Never forget what you are the rest of the world will not. Wear it like armour and it can never be used to hurt you.” Actions speak louder than words, if his kids didn’t continue the family tradition of being POS ppl would eventually realize they are not like Ken.

    • @gingw7333
      @gingw7333 Před 2 lety +1

      Not really. Small communities can be incredibly closed lips. I spent my early life and part of my adult life in them.

  • @maureeningleston1501
    @maureeningleston1501 Před 2 lety +39

    Dr Grande someone requested this recently and I agreed with them thinking it would be very interesting, so happy the person suggested this and you listened, you really do read the comments.

    • @TecOneself
      @TecOneself Před 2 lety +4

      he always does! He did my request for Emma Phillipop.

    • @Shannon-rq2hc
      @Shannon-rq2hc Před 2 lety +2

      I upvoted that comment, too! Great analysis, not diagnosis, here!

    • @sherunswithscissors
      @sherunswithscissors Před 2 lety +2

      He’s magic - I just read about the duct-tapped passenger and TA-DAH there was an video! 🪄

  • @janinak.8722
    @janinak.8722 Před 2 lety +6

    I would love to hear Dr. Grande's opinion on the gun culture in the US. The way he talks about different guns, cartridges etc. seems to suggest that he knows quite a bit about them. Would be interesting to talk about the psychology behind this especially for a European like myself since we have a very different philosophy when it comes to guns

    • @candicel3224
      @candicel3224 Před 2 lety

      No he doesn't. Anyone who knows guns & listens to him immediately catches when he mispronounces some of the calibers. He's read about them on the internet, never heard someone say 30 06 which is pronounced 30 ought 6.

    • @tomfrazier1103
      @tomfrazier1103 Před 2 lety

      But when States give Europeans guns.... The U.S. and Europe developed in highly divergent manners for 200+ years. Do it yourself v Apply to the requisite buresu.

    • @stevenrichards3699
      @stevenrichards3699 Před 2 lety

      @@candicel3224 That is a old person /hillbilly thing, most of the gun people I know say 30-06. And I like to think I know a lot about guns, seeing as I'm a gunsmith. If someone comes into my shop, is over 70, or wearing a cowboy hat with a match stick in their mouth, then yes, they are going to say, "Ought six". I always follow by saying 25 ought 6, or 30 ought 6, to which I get a blank stare.

  • @jackblack3718
    @jackblack3718 Před rokem +2

    This case really shows the dangers of a failed justice system. Not only do innocent people suffer, they're also forced to become criminals themselves just to restore order.

  • @daisymaefrench4041
    @daisymaefrench4041 Před 2 lety +57

    Good for them. When the law doesn't do its job, victims have no other choice than to take the law into their own hands.

    • @erikred8217
      @erikred8217 Před 2 lety

      true.

    • @erikred8217
      @erikred8217 Před 2 lety

      @@valerierodger7700 suuuure. that's always why. same thing happened with cosby. those silly uncooperative victims. it's all their fault. you re a good cop. we can all sleep soundly and everything is alright.

    • @erikred8217
      @erikred8217 Před 2 lety

      @@valerierodger7700 yeah it's victim blaming and scapegoating. i know what what you do instead of dealing with it. i'm just sayin. lost on you I see. no surprise.

  • @TheWorstThingEver
    @TheWorstThingEver Před 2 lety +53

    This is the story of a small town that came together around one principle: that they really hated Ken.

    • @reneet5858
      @reneet5858 Před 2 lety +13

      They didn't just hate him. They were sick to death of living in fear all of the time. He targeted many more people than just a couple of them.

    • @ScottishAnnie
      @ScottishAnnie Před 2 lety

      @@reneet5858 yes I think it would be more fear, anger & justice

    • @susanh1292
      @susanh1292 Před 2 lety

      Wouldn't you hate him too?

  • @dbongoloid9541
    @dbongoloid9541 Před 2 lety +1

    Yeah. I remember researching this case, the dude shot at elderly people, stole, beat up, and was all around a grimy human, he lived a violent life, he died in a violent way.

  • @Stichting_NoFap
    @Stichting_NoFap Před 2 lety +2

    Always interesting to see Dr Grande cover cases that you've seen other youtubers do before.

  • @Joffar
    @Joffar Před 2 lety +55

    I suspect that the sheriff read the mood of that meeting perfectly, hence his immediate exit from the town.

    • @dianedenham5259
      @dianedenham5259 Před 2 lety

      Which is why he should have stayed, called in backup, other agencies. His ongoing complacency created this. The citizens tried legal ways on numerous occasions. The sheriff & employees were cowards.

    • @simonesmit6708
      @simonesmit6708 Před 2 lety +12

      @@dianedenham5259 why do you call him a coward? He had been arrested but the judiciary kept letting him go.

    • @dianedenham5259
      @dianedenham5259 Před 2 lety +1

      @@simonesmit6708 : It was still the sheriff's job to deal with this man. He probably didn't want to risk getting shot himself, but it was his job to take those risks, not leave the townsfolk to their own devices. This event, the way it was handled, destroyed the soul of this town, afterward people just drifted away.

    • @simonesmit6708
      @simonesmit6708 Před 2 lety +4

      @@dianedenham5259 I ran across this story several years ago. The sherriff had arrested him multiple times. He kept getting released due to his family and friends lying for him also many of the town folk would not testify against him. There was nothing the sherriff could do other than commit murder to stop him as he wouldn't resist arrest. His family is untimately responsible as they profited from his thieving. And his girlfriends/wives were also in on the crimes or suffered from Stockholm syndrome. Yes lots of things should have been done but the sherriff just walked away from a no win situation.

    • @dianedenham5259
      @dianedenham5259 Před 2 lety

      @@simonesmit6708 : point taken ✌️

  • @HeatherHolt
    @HeatherHolt Před 2 lety +46

    Why did he ever get bail!?!?
    This is exactly why people lack faith in the justice system. And sometimes take matters into their own hands. And …. In this case, I’m actually not mad about it.

    • @joannaw5913
      @joannaw5913 Před 2 lety +3

      He had quite a lot of money(proceeds from his life of crime) and was able to hire a very good lawyer.

  • @billlittlejohn2331
    @billlittlejohn2331 Před 2 lety +4

    McElroy got exactly what he had coming to him! The legal system continually failed the people so they choose to conduct their own justice. There are times when things like this are necessary. I support what the town did.

  • @ruthweed7723
    @ruthweed7723 Před 2 lety +1

    Hello Dr. Grande! Thanks for your thoughts on the Skidmore incident. Thoroughly enjoy the discussion. Good Luck and wishes on your publications of your books. Thanks

  • @ghost-facedhindu4275
    @ghost-facedhindu4275 Před 2 lety +40

    "The lone fir in the field withers away. A bitter man loved by none, how can he last long?" -Viking Proverb.

    • @maryfreebed9886
      @maryfreebed9886 Před 2 lety +1

      I don't think bitter is a very good description of Ken. If he was, that was the least of it. To be a lone fir tree is more descriptive of an autistic person who quietly goes about their business and doesn't do any harm.

  • @maureeningleston1501
    @maureeningleston1501 Před 2 lety +52

    Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, and I don't say this lightly but I do not feel any great sympathy for the victim, as I have been on the receiving end of a brutal bully, but sometimes the timid people have to shout the loudest, just to survive, and I'm NOT speaking from personal experience.

    • @nelixsulu6201
      @nelixsulu6201 Před 2 lety +2

      Yea I get what you're saying. Hurt people hurt people & I think there was definitely a source to the madness. But dude was still a monster.

  • @RR11333
    @RR11333 Před 2 lety +2

    Something interesting that nobody points out is how Ken Rex's arrests and major incidents followed a pattern- They always happened in June/July/August. It could be because of some seasonal mania issue, or just because that was harvest season where the town had a lot of inventory and money.

  • @robmcallister1428
    @robmcallister1428 Před 2 lety

    Sir, your videos are so varied and well done. I’d sure like to thank you for that.

  • @demonslover
    @demonslover Před 2 lety +80

    The sheriff gave them a warning before driving out of town.... umm I have an inkling that the sheriff knew exactly what was going to happen.

    • @colt4667
      @colt4667 Před 2 lety +12

      The Sheriff gave a suggestion disguised as a warning.

    • @pollypockets508
      @pollypockets508 Před 2 lety +2

      I bet he didn't agree with the court's horrible decisions.

  • @feurigerStern
    @feurigerStern Před 2 lety +40

    I am very familiar with this case. I watched a documentary about the town's history which revealed a lot of the townsfolk way of thinking. The town is isolated from other towns. The residents weren't given much choice because the law didn't take care of the problem. There is an old saying in the hollows of the Appalachians where residents take care of legal matters in their own way. "He needed killin'"

    • @claudiamiller7730
      @claudiamiller7730 Před 2 lety +2

      Based on that history…I can think of one special person I would like to send to Appalachia to face their special brand of justice…because JUSTICE MATTERS…

    • @AwkwardStinkerbelle
      @AwkwardStinkerbelle Před 2 lety +1

      Skidmore is about 10 miles from Maryville, home to Northwest Missouri State University and less than 50 miles from St. Joseph, which has a population of around 75,000. Not exactly isolated.

  • @LadyBuc77
    @LadyBuc77 Před 2 lety

    Dr. Grande love all your videos. You break down these complex cases in ways that are respectful to any victims. You also add a little dry humor as needed for the really heavy topics.
    Have you looked into the Steven Wiggins & Erica Castro-Miles case? I'd love to get your analysis of this case!

  • @stevenhowerton97
    @stevenhowerton97 Před 2 lety

    Your topics are informative and insightful And I have to appreciate your sense of humor thank you

  • @j.martinez8767
    @j.martinez8767 Před 2 lety +36

    Reminds me of a case in my country here in Central America. An Italian murdered a homeless person with mental issues because he was traspassing and "ruining his plants". The police didn't do anything so a couple of guys killed the Italian and nobody reported the case until the embassy found out. As of right now the guys are free since apparently everyone hated the guy.

  • @tortimeese
    @tortimeese Před 2 lety +120

    If anyone wants to read more about this story, “In Broad Daylight” is a fascinating and horrifying read.

    • @chad3232132
      @chad3232132 Před 2 lety +19

      The documentary No One Saw a Thing was also very good. Slow at times, but it covered the broader history of Skidmore and long list of crazy incidents that have happened in that town. I don't even think the McElroy vigilante killing was the craziest. You also have the woman whose baby was ripped out of her womb, the Branson Perry vanishing, and the lynching of Raymond Gunn all happening in or near the same small town.

    • @sherunswithscissors
      @sherunswithscissors Před 2 lety +5

      @@chad3232132 -YIKES 😬.

    • @chad3232132
      @chad3232132 Před 2 lety +1

      @@sherunswithscissors Also crazy is that Branson Perry who vanished from his home without a trace and Bobbie Jo Stinnett who was murdered and her baby cut out of her womb were cousins yet both crimes entirely unrelated.
      While nobody has ever been arrested in the Branson Perry case, literally everyone including police are 99%+ sure he was involved in drugs or knew too much and was abducted and murdered because of it. Meth was huge in that area when he vanished and there was a house nearby where it was manufactured. Police are almost positive they even know who did it but have never been able to get enough evidence or find his body, which they suspect was moved or destroyed at some point.

    • @kathykrisko3228
      @kathykrisko3228 Před 2 lety +13

      I have that book. It goes into the never-ending litany of McElroy's escalating crimes in detail. It's astonishing. Like many people, I can't condone vigilantism; but I can understand where it came from, and it's hard to imagine another satisfactory ending in this particular case.

    • @chad3232132
      @chad3232132 Před 2 lety +5

      @@kathykrisko3228 I think vigilantism has a place in the world, but primarily only in places that otherwise have no real system of law and order. For example, I understand a system of vigilantism in a time/place like frontier America and the "wild west" of past centuries. Another example might be in a region of the world where a civilization has collapsed and no functional government exists. Though even in scenarios like what I mentioned, vigilantism has many huge flaws. Namely that justice is at the whim of a mob of people who may have prejudices that make their justice unfair or irrational. In frontier times, minorities and/or recent immigrants were almost always killed at rates vastly greater than those from the majority groups, which were often innocent of the alleged crimes.
      I don't like the idea that locals murdered a man in a time and place in the United States where clear and presumably fair laws and means of enforcing those laws existed. The problem in this case is that the system failed *repeatedly* to hold a person who terrorized a town across many years accountable for his actions. It seems like the people of Skidmore were otherwise law abiding citizens who very much believed in the judicial system, but saw it fail so many times they felt they *had* to resort to vigilante justice. A town like Skidmore probably views itself as a frontier town anyway, being so rural and in an area that has only been inhabited for a little over 100 years. As much as I hate vigilantism, I feel like the people of Skidmore were actually acting in self defense given the likelihood that McElroy continue until more townspeople died.

  • @africansnowqueenqueen3296

    Dr. G, this was one of your best videos yet. I’d never heard of this character but thanks for sharing.

  • @gloriaelmore9092
    @gloriaelmore9092 Před 2 lety

    Excellent episode! I remember when this happened and appreciated your analysis.

  • @mysteryjunkie9808
    @mysteryjunkie9808 Před 2 lety +42

    Kind of funny how local bars and restaurants never charged Dale Clemons for a drink or a meal since McElroy was killed🤔 Wonder why?

    • @jalsbrook4475
      @jalsbrook4475 Před 2 lety +11

      Because he deserves a medal. Free meals and drinks is the next best thing

    • @AwkwardStinkerbelle
      @AwkwardStinkerbelle Před 2 lety +1

      Del Clement

    • @jhoskins5630
      @jhoskins5630 Před 2 lety

      Funny thing, Del, not Dale, owned the D&G, the ONLY bar in town.

  • @paulphilpott8616
    @paulphilpott8616 Před 2 lety +23

    My father was born a month after Ken in July 1934 but he live many years longer. I guess not robbing or attempting to murder people added years to his life.

  • @laurenferguson959
    @laurenferguson959 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you Dr. grande for this episode. I am a true crime buff and I had never heard of Ken McElroy. This encouraged me to watch a documentary on him. It showed quite a few pictures of him in different scenarios and he does look like kind of a big guy. I’m basing this on the perspective of him standing next to things around him, and that my own husband is 6‘2“ and 240 pounds. Even the town pastor agreed that his killing was justified due to a verse in the Old Testament. Trina was interviewed several times in the short documentary and will claim on one hand they had no guns and meant no harm and then in another part of the documentary list off all the guns they had with them on their outings. He also bread hunting dogs, I wonder how many of those he shot?
    I thank you again for this episode and all of your interesting episodes..

  • @danieltribley4557
    @danieltribley4557 Před 2 lety +1

    My entire town knew about a murderer. They tried. He bragged about it everywhere he went. He stayed free until his death last year.

  • @sevenninespades
    @sevenninespades Před 2 lety +45

    YES! Glad you did this. What a great story and analysis.

  • @grobozo
    @grobozo Před 2 lety +33

    The court kept releasing that bully back in town, cops can't help, they can only wait until they have to arrest him again some some further crime. That whole situation was due to the judge's decisions. Even the cops were afraid of him , can't blame the regular folks for not pressing charges.

  • @justnoted2995
    @justnoted2995 Před 2 lety +1

    Such a satisfying case this Dr. Grande.. justice, at times, is so sweet

  • @franks8946
    @franks8946 Před 2 lety +1

    Dr Grande’s deadpan jokes get me every time