Why Did Stranded Settlers Do Something So Horrible? (The Donner Party)
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 8. 09. 2024
- Sometimes taking the short cut is a bad idea. For settlers traveling to the coast to strike rich, things couldn't have gone worse. In today's video we are looking at what happened with the Donner Party and what we can learn from it.
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"It will be fine they said."
"It will be educational for the kids they said"
âIt will be fast they saidâ
"It will be sunny they said"
âYour mother will not dieâ they said
"Human flesh tastes like Beaf yerky they said"
I was a truck driver for a long time so Iâve been over Donner Pass many times. I always wondered how shocked the Donner party would be to know that there is now a Starbucks, campgrounds, businessâ and people living up there.
Right, and a Taco Bell right beside the historical park đ
Not shocked, that was his vision: to OWN the places along that trail, give people a safe road to travel on and provide them with stores/food/shelter along the way.
Iâm honestly surprised thereâs no historic psychological horror/thriller based on these events. Lol
Edit: Woah 1K likes. Thanks. I found the movie everyone was talking about by accident. Thanks guys. đ
Like a movie or something. It's been long overdue for a movie or a thriller or anything.
i can't remember the name of the movie but based on the donner party and another story similer to the donner party but with solders
The Oregon trail is a game that is nearly impossible
The Simpsonâs made one episode about it
There is a book called,, The hunger" based on this
Mad respect to the men who gave their clothes, food, lives and unintentionally their bodies to better help the women and kids make it.
I dont understand why they didnt take the clothes off the dead bodies like they dumb
@Jane Doh They were different times completely. The women and children had systematically less power. Don't be dense. Men aren't meat and muscle for women and women aren't helpless subordinates without the ability to lead or think.
brisaespi99 Iâm sure they did take their clothes. Just because the video didnât specifically say they didnât doesnât mean it didnât happen. They obviously had to undress the people to eat them.
@@bishiebishy4535 you speak with a modern day feminist viewpoint, upon history....
Hindsight is always 20/20. But you should not gage history, on the privileged position and time you possess/are a part of.
Plus, what a strange thing to think about. You're getting a bit too abstract, aren't you? Aren't there more important things?
chances are the man are already dead before the woman and children took the clothes lol
"so, Sarah died. Anyway, things were going as planned."
I didn't like Sarah much either..
Being 70 years old in those days would have been a super long life lol
@@DChappelle27 yes, in that culture at that time. Other cultures around the world had people that aged that old pretty frequently but that all has to do with the way they lived.
Iâm of the opinion that you should always have steak sauce in your carry on...just in case.
Brilliant idea i hate meat without seasoning
đŠ” thigh or đŠ¶?
You forgot the lamb sauce!!đ
Salt, pepper and MSG are lighter
Always pack the A1 sauce
đ I LOVED Jennifer Coolidge's great joke on TV's '2 Broke Girls' when her character was attending a lousy birthday celebration: 'There was only one party worse than this: the Donner party-and they had better food!'
Kid: mom I don't like my brother
Mom: it's ok push him to the side and finish eating your vegetables
It took me a couple of seconds because I imagined them seated at a table, then I realized the brother was on her plate. Nice 1.
Lloyd
lol lol okk looks OK lol l lol lol lol
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lol lol lol
reed being exiled is what led to him being saved by the horrid conditions the others had to endure, he cheated death and im impressed
Im not gonna like this comment because it has 69 likes
@@sh11txr_r65 I don't get it??
Huh
Did anyone else learn about this stuff in history class or is it because I live in California?
@@FellowThespianKayCay I literally just learned about this last year. I'm 29 years old!!
"I know a shortcut". It seems horror movie tropes inspired from this story đ
Don't forget the "let's split up guys!"
@@faizalf119 True... just curious, do all horror movie cliche are actually inspired from true event?? Or may be it actually reminder to us all.
@@taufanadikurniawan7170 you will be surprised how some real life events can be much more ridiculous than movies
One of the survivors opened a restaurant later on in life. True fact
And do they serve human meat?
Uhhhh and I would stay away from them they might eat me
@@lem2004 I think they do
Whatâs the name of the restaurant
@@Lana-ne8bd "long pig bar & grill"
The Donner Party teaches a very important lesson:NEVER take shortcuts!
Elizabeththegreatest except theyâre intended to be short. like if Iâm about to miss a train Iâm not going to take the long way through town when thereâs a shortcut that gets you there in half the time in front of me
Elernation Except that short cut was never tried or tested and is known to be dangerous and harsh, even the Hastings guy that made up that shortcut in his book never ever took that route before.. and when youâre responsible for the safety and the lives of your family and many other families then itâs better to take the longer, safer, tried and tested route than to risk everyoneâs lives just so you can try to get somewhere quicker.
He was told not to
@@elernation5519 What if people tried and never made it alive ik its a bit far fetched but..
Even Virginia (the daughter of James reed) said in a letter to her cousin âdonât take no cut offs and get to where youâre going as fast as you can
"Hey, Mom, who's for dinner?"
âyour brother.â
Cousin jacob!
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@Ann Bertrand Cut me up raw and make "sashi--ME"!!!!
@@goosetheduck6610 Oof! Don't know if thus was intentional, but there was a Donner named Jacob!
Human flesh: *exists*
The Donner party: It's free real estate
The three horsemen of being everywhere: Just some bigfoot with internet access, Justin Y, and Cookie Woke.
Just Some Bigfoot With Internet Access this comment is pure gold lol
Maria Da Silva dont reproduce for the sake of humanity
Fre Shova Cado I donât see Justin y as much anymore
terrible use of the meme and format 2/10
I find these so interesting, I am hooked haha
mason bold simple history is 100x better than this
Me too
Watch kurzgesagt in a nutshell I love their channel and this channel kurzgesagt is more space focused tho
@@Hooby. I hate history I hate it so much but you're not lying
@@Cherokee93 I do all the time
I watched a documentary that stated that when you get hungry enough parts of your brain sort of shut down and things like cannibalism become more acceptable. So, It may not be a matter of "thinking" cannibalism is OK as much as being impaired enough by hunger to resort to it.
Makes sense!!
So everyone tells you that a trip is a bad idea yet you risk your family's life anyway?
Tomika Kelly lots of them were fleeing horrible conditions and possibly persecution in the east I think while the west was a free land of opportunity and they were told they could get a large plot of land and build a farm. unlike the east, both women and men could own it so many widows made these types of journeys
Elernation Yeah but no one is arguing them fleeing for better living conditions.. Itâs just they were constantly warned about not taking the short cut route which hadnât even been tried before and about how dangerous it was, yet they stubbornly risked their family and friends lives even though they could have taken the safer route.
it was greed that did them in. he figured that if the new trail worked out, he could charge people and establish settlements in between for supplies. the love of money makes people do crazy thinks
â@@danadunn3913 but that was Hastings' motivation, not Reed's
These people just should of taken the known route, especially because they where traveling with their families
raptorms773 they. wanted. to. get. there. faster. and. believed. it. was. faster. and. trusted. the. man
@@elernation5519 and.then.they.were.told.by.the.man.not.to.go.that.route.but.they.still.did.anyways.
@@thereverseeffect7269 Hastings never told them to take a different route. He gave them a detour, but never told them to take the regular path. It was some other guy at the fort that said to not take that path.
When you think about it, this could make for a great psychological horror film or limited series, something similar to like _The Terror_ or _Chernobyl,_ but the best thing is that it doesn't need anything supernatural added into it, it just needs to be exactly like the real events which is horrifying enough on its own.
Someone wrote a book called the Hunger if youâre interested. Basically, it retells this story with a disease spreading that basically turning the infected into wendigos.
0:28 when a man migrates just to relief his wife migraine y know *YER BUDDY WONT CAME BACK*
That guy and his whole family survived though.
No way I live right next to donner lake about 20 minutes away at Lake Tahoe
If that lake could talk?
@@G.I.Jojo707 would it even remember?
haunted!
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So human meat tastes like?
Who played Oregon trail in school. ? Do they still have a version these days ?
yeah they made some tiny arcade machine
Itâs brave to take a road no one has gone, but with a group that big, Iâd say itâs better safe than sorry. I think that route should have been tested first at least.
Lansfield Hastings later became a Major for the Confederate Army. kinda shows how much of a windbag he was.
Grrrrr
He wrote a second immigrant guide too.
When you're dying, right and wrong along with social stigmas go out the window I would think.
I read a book on this. I remember that they ate the leather from The books they had brought with them. They boiled the leather from the roof of their shelters into a jelly, when they brought supplies in the 7 mules they ate all the food and then ate the mules when they ran out of food. The book described their cries of anguish like wolves howling cause they realized they had to eat their own dead. Knives were drawn and they ended up cutting strips of meat from the bodies and cooking it over fires to stay alive. At one point one of them set fire to a tree cause they couldn't make a fire or find any wood fast enough. One of the Indians was killed cause they blamed him for not helping them find the trail fast enough. The other kept running and presumably died in the snowstorm. When they found water from a pond the horses were so thirsty they drank until their stomachs burst. This is from a book I found in my middle school library.
Radically different story from what documentaries say happened. Sounds like fiction.
They killed both of the Native American workers for food (!)
Just did a super long essay on this. It was very interesting and sad how one bad mistake caused fatal deaths for many
Are non-fatal deaths a thing?
I learned this in my history class years ago.
Never thought it would come back.
my old teacher, mr Van Nuys, told us that his family back then went with the donner party but split up in wyoming w the majority of the other families and they went on to found the town Van Nuys
They were warned several times over that the path was a bad idea. They didnât listen.
love how they are all smiling
*When the oregon trail game happens in real life*
" so why are you carrying steak sauce in your carry on??"
Stares air Port security guy dead in the eyes.......
For emergencies when I don't have any.......seasoning.
âYou mean they ate each other up?â
âThey had to, in order to surviveâ
It's not usually mentioned, but the music this channel uses (especially the dramatic pieces) is really on point.
I didn't even learn this much about the Donner party in school. This was amazing
"That's when the cannibalism started"
All I know is that the Doner Party were snow bound somewhere near the Overlook Hotel
Those two places are nowhere near eachother
Imagine someones like âWhat does eagle taste like?â
Donner Party Survivor: âA bit like, hmm, human.â
And I complain about a long red light đ
Same
i will never be able to play the game Oregon Trail the same ever again....
Iâve stayed at Donner Lake before since my Aunt and Uncle had a cabin up there. Itâs nice but I canât imagine having to go through such an ordeal.
i LOVE it when you guys use this music. One of the first videos I've watched from you guys and has inspired me to push to new heights in my career as a motion graphics/animator. Everytime I hear this track now, it pumps me up. I love what you all do! im still hooked on all of your videos
When they started the cannibalism I subway ad started playing đ€źđ€źđ
eat fresh
eat flesh
Thanks for the support! đđ€Łđđ€Łđ
Andrea Fabe-Heywood pardon?
I canât imagine the panic that would ensue within yourself after realizing you have basically no food and such a long way to go. I feel like all I would be able to think to myself is how and when Iâm going to die.
This is the oldest example of cutting corners being bad news. Just go the long proven route to guarantee your safe arrival
The Donner Party is one that I'm glad that I didn't get an invite! Sausage party
This happened on what's now Donner Pass. A snow storm in 1953 stranded a passenger train on Donner Pass.
This gave me so much anxiety while watching
Came acroos this video at the perfect time...im sitting at Donner summit
How was it like?
This was like a real-life version of The Oregon Trail from third-grade computer class! ...only Luke died of consumption instead of malaria, and they opted not to talk about Sarah's snake bite. If my memory serves correct, they definitely should've "chucked the wagon" at the Humboldt River Crossing. They would've lost a mere 2 oxen, 4 boxes of bullets, and 7 rations. Those rations could easily be replaced by selecting "Hunt" and simply double-clicking on the bison.
Cannibalism is okay in extreme survival situations, but that's it
Edit: left a typo there for months lol
I hope that would be it lol
Nah. I disagree, cannibalism is never okay.
@@Utonian21 make that statement when your life depends on it. Until then dont judge.
@@hihai_TV No. I'll still make that statement and I'll still judge. It's NEVER OKAY. No matter your environment, there are always other options, survive off of treebark if you have to. I'm not someone who believes survival is everything.
@@Utonian21 "there are always other options" that's entirely false. Sometimes the only other option is to starve. Just cuz you wanna act like you have the moral high ground doesn't mean "there's always another way".... If I'm going to starve to death unless I eat a person that I was with that died, I'm not going to starve. What's the point of all of us dying while there's perfectly edible protein right there? Wouldn't feel great about it, but it's better than death. As I said, what is the point of dying when you really don't have to? Should I just starve to death cuz morals say I shouldn't eat a dead human? I think not.
But for real, there's not always another way. Sometimes all you're left with is literally just snow and bodies, nothing else, not even tree bark. I'm perfectly okay with being eaten after I die if that's the only option, cuz to me survival IS everything. I don't have anything if I'm dead, survival really is all I have and I value it more than anything else.
Cannibalism is ok if its in order to survive.
But killing someone to cannibalize them is something different
I wanted a video on the donner party ever since i first heard about it
Where they camped for the winter is now a ski resort that is known for lots of snow funny enough.
I drove to the location where they died at around 1 in the morning. Thereâs no gate or anything, you can just go there anytime. Very creepy being the only one there at such a late hour.
I understand eating those who have already passed and thereâs no judgement there, but when they started killing others? No.
Wow Hastings sounds like a real piece of work.
The moment I saw the title I knew it is about the Donner Party,
They should remake the tvmovie
And I cant stop singin Independence from TTO
Last podcast on the left did a great episode on the Donner party
i would have just listened to my well meaning and informed friend and stayed n the track. clymen should go down in history as the guy who almost saved the donner party
By today's standards (or even back then) Hastings would easily be charged with manslaughter and neglect of human lives. He would been bound to be in prison for many, many years.
flesh: ARE YOU SERIOUS
them: oh, its nothing.
I work about 25 miles away from Donner Lake. Just gotta say Donner Lake Kitchen Is Lit AF !
I live in Springfield IL and i didnât know they started here
If I die and my family and friends are starving, I sure hope that they would eat me and live on!
For anyone wanting The Donner Party story with a supernatural twist may I recommend The Hunger by Alma Katsu!
Public library, floppy disc, Oregon Trail
ah yessss!!
Currently camping near the Little Sandy area in Wyoming. Beautiful area, love my state!!
I actually got to see the Donner family's wagon. It was crazy. (well not the wagon it's self)
Nice Video. The Inforgraphics Show
Thanks! â„ïž
You're welcomeđ
When the shortcut becomes longer than the original it's time to reevaluate the situation
It turns my stomach to think of eating another person - but I guess when you're starving to death in a situation like that and a family to feed, a person would find a way to deal with it. But having a family in tow., I'd of rather erred on the side of a longer proven safe route than an unproven unknown faster route, to my destination.
Is cannibalism ever okay? Well, depends. How is the meat prepared?
Donner Party: we have a shortcut, what could possibly go wrong
Also Donner Party:
8:17 awesome art, as always
Wow I'm early the comments dont even load
"And Im sure some fool in the Donner Party said the snow will stop any day now. I like to think they ate him first."
These videos are so cool always a different topic I'm so glad I found this channel
Thanks! â„ïž
Infographics show: talks about donner dinner party
Me, an intellectual: learns about this in 4th grade bc I live in California
Get out NOW
California and intellectual should never be in the same sentence
William Bowman and you just did hypocrite
Santa So why are you booing me, Iâm right?
I am from County Armagh which is the same as James Reed, one of the leaders who ended up surviving
Iâm so sad for the old man left behind
But they didn't get to eat him, at least that was good
In response to your question "Do you think cannibalism is ever OK?" I would have to answer by simply saying, "I don't think anyone could possibly know, nor has the right, to answer that question unless they have been in that type of situation." This is a tragic tale filled w horror and brutality on a scale that I hope to God I never to have to experience in my life. Those ppl not only saw their friends and animals die but their own families and children.Then were forced, for survival's sake, to then turn around, after enduring all that heartbreak, and eat those very same ppl that they love. Imagine the sadness and desperation, the feeling of hopelessness and regret. All of this while freezing to death w no shelter, no food, no warmth, on a snow raging mountain w no hope of rescue for months, and all of this is happening while you watch what little family and children you have left waste away before your very eyes, slowly dying day by day. What would you do in order to just ease theirs and your suffering, even for a minute? What lengths would you be willing to go to save those you love? Smh, its ungodly what they went through, unimaginable. So, honestly, I hope I never have to answer that question and give thanks that I have been blessed thus far in life that I've never had to.
This video makes it sound nowhere near as bad as it did. Reading about it is pure horror
Thats a whole new meaning to donner meat.
The fact that a lot of Irish names are present in this disturbs me more
So you feel bad for them dying just because they were Irish rather than Anglos or Euros?
@@josephrobinson6171 no of course not, only saying
The Republic Of Ireland saying that seeing irish names in the party disturbs you more? More than if they werenât irish?
Or are you just saying nothing at all?
i do know this
i lived in utah my entire life (and still am) and know this story well ..........more like bits and pieces over the years and visited many pioneer sites and during seminary class in highschool we did a pioneer march survival thing my group well want all donner party and died but i left before that happened because i got picked up from school
ok but thats kind of messed up why did you leave the old man behind
How could Reid come back with any supplys as you said he was banished from the camp
Thank you so muchđđœđŻ i remember suggesting this in the comment section
Don't take a shortcut. If the shortcut worked, it wouldn't be called a shortcut, it would just be called the way there.
Donnee party?
More like Dinner party with human as a main course
AnyDangThing Kinda corny ngl
blueberry_ very*
donnee
Man, that must've been a time to be alive: when men were men and everyone died.
Do a video on the grim sleeper serial killer, Lonnie franklin jr.
I could totally see this happening in a read dead mission
Honestly this video did not do the story justice if you are interested I recommend looking up the full story.
I needed this video in middle school
I just learned this in history and it was a live re-enactment đŠ
mother:dies*
them: AwW MaN
Me and my group were stranded in the snowy mountains for weeks. My friend John was separated and attacked by wolves. If I hadnât saved him heâd of been dead now. We had to hunt to stay alive. Shortly after I contracted consumption
..."We had to hunt to stay alive. Shortly after I contracted consumption...." did the hunting give you consumption Or you didnt start hunting til diagnosed with tuberculosis...?