Maybe its just so lucrative (although cheaper than cigarettes) that when 1 is bought down, two more pops up? Also, i think enforcement of vape regulation lie under HSA and not really the police, as mentioned in the video.
That's because some police officers does it too and from what i heard, banning E-ciggarates was a stupid idea. Eventually, it will be legalised when the government find a way to get part of the revenue.
Hi, i can give whistleblow the situation. Yes we see a tons of people smoking e-ciggrate. The problem is supplier to chain of demand. Theres tons of demand in singapore where vapers are smoking like rats. But police cant catch 1by1, but to cut the whole supply chain Into singapore.
Fresher air > vaping > smoking If you don’t smoke, then don’t vape. It’s stupid But if you’re a smoker, then vaping may be a healthier option if you are unable to quit smoking In the UK vape pens are PRESCRIBED to pregnant women who are unable to quit smoking.
But the vape liquid is medically prescribed too and their health is monitored. If viewers can think straight, its not just the vaping but the vaping liquid. If the vape pens are safe (since it is from a doctor and there are certain standards), then basically the vape pens outside are not as safe.
@@johcx1994 the ideal would be to be administered the pen and the liquid from a medical professional. Not sure how feasible that might be. But perhaps some manufacturing standards/regulations for pens sold might be a good place to start. As for the liquid I believe there are some laws around what is allowed m, but I’m sure more could be done.
@@avarmauk I agree with you. I dont know what the government is planning (other than to earn revenues etc), but these vaping liquids and pens are unregulated and all under the radar, which we can assume that it is not up to standard. For abstinence reasoning, it really depends on the support and the determination of the smoker. In my opinion, it is cheaper to just stop and quit, though I agree it is hard to overcome the withdrawal symptoms. For now, to each of his own.
Agree with you here. E-cigs have the potential to help chronic smokers quit the habit, but the absolute best case scenario would be to never smoke or vape in the first place, and I hope governments make it so that there are ways for chronic smokers to have proper and regulated access to vapes while ensuring young adults are barred from acquiring it.
Vapes became appealing because its easier than smoking actual cigs. Most bars will allow vaping so when most people use it more people follow and because of how the devices looks now it becomes an accessory as well. I used to smoke but stopped but later on when I realized this is what is used now I ended up using it too.
Vapes became appealing the same way smoking was appealing to the older generation. The only difference is the media is trying to make this situation worse than it actually is. Also EVALI is only caused if you use vapes that have certain bad chemicals that are nowadays not used by other vaping companies
The content in vaping is unregulated. Who knows wats the guy next to u is sniffing. At least cigarettes u have to buy from known brands. As for vaping its a gamble. Do it in private but not public
Well it will always appealing for teen and some ppl to be able to exert or mimic somekind of charismatic / intimidating look . I remember I did try to smoke cigar but I didn't have the patient to bear the smoke in first try :) kinda lucky bc I think I was dumb to wanna do it
@@l_ifeefi_l1998 more like vape is ppl's personal problem so nobody rly care coz it don't give ppl second hand smoke. But well if the chem inside changes who know if it will still be only first smoker that suffer, coz if covid can spread by airborne bc of normal breathing who said vape smoke chem won't?
Im 22.. and as soon as one of the kids said that she will have her vape everywhere.. even beside her pillow.. this is so relatable and scary to hear it coming out from another individual..
Mood. I have colleagues who vape and the horrifying reality is the extent of their nicotine addiction. Smokers have no choice but to hold it in until they find a convenient spot to smoke legally as the scent of tobacco is too difficult to miss. Experienced and addicted vapers have all sorts of techniques to completely conceal their vaping, scent and smoke included, which results in a scenario where if they are alone or with people they trust, they will pretty much take a puff every few minutes or seconds even, tens of times more frequently than the tobacco smoker. Imagine what harm that does to the dopamine-riddled brain, even if we naively assume that all vapes only contain pure nicotine and glycerin and nothing else. Heck, common sense tells us than inhaling any fumes always come at a definite risk to begin with!
Vaping is prescribed as a medication in UK NHS to help smokers quit smoking. Vaping does not contain carbon monoxide, tar and cause passive smoking like cigarettes do.
Yeah ,but I don't think any healthy ppl need to vape tho :D and mostly teens just do it to look cool and play smoke-shaping. With lower health risk than cigar but still not zero, kinda feel the headline is a clickbait
@@l_z1478 Yea but smokers should have the choice to be prescribed vape if they're trying to quit. Of all the smoking cessation aids(gum patch etc), vaping has had the highest success rate.
Singapore needs to do something about second smoking too. Newborn babies inside HDBs inhale so much smoke. Sick people and everyone is forced to inhale bad air. Everyday. And no one does anything
how are you going to govern that? Say second hand smoke drifts into the house you wanna outlaw smoking in people’s houses? What about cooking smoke which contains carcinogenic PAHs? Are you gonna outlaw cooking?
Honestly vaping is more addictive than smoking. A stick of cigarette is able to last me for approximately 1 hour but 1 puff of vaping can lead me to a 100 puff. I am a smoker since the age 12 and has been smoking for already 10 years. I have already quitted smoking for 30days, after 30days I feel younger, healthy and lesser to no acnes. I believe anyone can do it too.
I enjoyed the episode, but I can't help to feel that the content led me to the conclusion that vaping is worst (to the health) than cigarettes, without actual robust scientific details/tests. There were a lot of variables thrown around and one of which is that a single vape pod is more harmful than a few cigarettes? If one is to say that vape is worst than cigarettes, I would expect the hypothesis to be tested as follows; 1. Using a list of known harmful (to human health) components in cigarettes, cross-compare the presence of these components in vape, and narrow the list down to about 10 chemicals 2. Using a standardised laboratory test as shown in the video, compare the quantity of these short-listed chemicals in a puff from a cigarette vs that of vape If the quantities of the harmful chemicals in a puff of vape is more than that in cigarettes, the hypothesis is true, that being vape has more harmful chemicals than in cigarettes. If not, then the reverse is true, that cigarettes are more harmful than vape. Although I enjoyed the episode, the production misled me to conclude that vape is more harmful than cigarettes without proper comparisons. edit: sentence structure
In the UK vaping is promoted as a way to get people to stop smoking however there are laws on where you can vape just like where you can smoke - so no vaping inside in schools, cinemas, train stations, etc - , you have to be over 18 and what vapes can be sold. We do have a problem like in Singapore with teens vaping but we had a problem with teens smoking. Most of the adults taking smoke breaks outside in the UK are now vaping.
I agree on the point that this report makes somebody think that vaping is worse than smking but in term of the research that you proposed above, I don't think it worksthat way. To study the effect on human being, the possible design that is ethically sound is a Case Control Study, which now is quiet hard to do, since the duration of exposure between the groups are unbalanced. Now the evidence that the doctor provides is called a Case study of a teenager having a pneumothorax due to vaping. This case study of course raises a concern, but the level of evidence is quiet low since to established a causal relationship, case control is the minimum to go, followed by cohort study. But my point is: A case report on "EVALI" itself should raise a concern.
@@MrNikkovl I completely agree that human data will be more convincing than the in vitro (lab-based) study I proposed regarding the harmful effects of vape vs cigarette. However, the doctor cited having one/two patients with pneumothorax. No case studies were cited. If a comparison between vape and cigarette has to be made, according to the title of the video "Vape: Are They Really Healthier Than Cigarettes?", and if human data is to be shown, I'd expect a controlled study to be reported where you have one group that is the control (cigarette) vs the test group (vapers), and track the health indicators over a period of time (which you made a very good point that it can be extremely lengthy, especially for cohort study), to make a claim that one is more harmful than the other to human health. "Numerous in vivo and in vitro studies have been performed to better understand the impact of these new inhalable compounds on human health. Results of toxicological analyses suggest that e-cigarettes can be safer than conventional cigarettes, although harmful effects from short-term e-cigarette use have been described. Worryingly, the potential long-term effects of e-cigarette consumption have been scarcely investigated." Source: Marques, P., Piqueras, L. & Sanz, MJ. An updated overview of e-cigarette impact on human health. Respir Res 22, 151 (2021). doi.org/10.1186/s12931-021-01737-5 TLDR: To make a claim that vaping is more harmful than cigarettes, a controlled study is warranted, where the health indicators (can also be incidence rate of pneumothorax) are measured between the control (cigarette smokers) vs. test group (vapers) over a fixed period. Edit: quotation and reference to a peer-reviewed review article in British Medical Journal
Well, cigarette is well studied subject thanks to your great grand parents. For vape, the test subjects are this generation and you will see the result half a century later. We can only make assumptions of how bad vaping can be based on our limited understanding of these chemicals and how the chemicals are delivered. Based on current understanding, vaping is easier to get into than smoking because of the flavorings and lack of repulsive smoke which make sense that one will likely to puff more than typical smoke. If you end up puffing more than a typical cigarette stick, it is obvious you gonna breath in more chemicals than typical cigarettes. The episode did not explicitly say that but that what it is implying. It is also easier and cheaper to obtain, and young age are very vulnerable to chemicals as they are still growing. Therefore, in that contrast, vaping cause more damage than smoke. Smoking is more well known for causing lung cancer but little do people know that smokers also experience organs failures as they age. Cigarettes smoke as it burn, it condense in the lung. Vape is already vaporized, most of it get absorbed by the bloodstream, there is a fair chance vaper's organs will fail faster than smoker's. It is up to people what they want to do with their body, but I believe it is important that people know the possible long term effects, it highly possible not anything better than smoking. Likewise, having your loves one taking care of your sickly self as you age is quite a irresponsible thing to do.
Yes I've had a short class about vaping. The teacher of that class has done years of research on it and says that overall vaping is less harmful than smoking. The most harmful thing about smoking is the act of unhaling the components that are created by the act of burning the tabacco, which is lacking on the end of vaping where they just vaporize the liquid. Also there are a lot of variables in the case of vaping. You can buy pods with OR without nicotine which is the component that causes the addiction. For ppl who want to quit smoking by vaping they can try to lower their nicotine intake by choosing pods w a little bit less nicotine than before. This helps with the withdrawal effects you have if you want to abruptly stop. Also using vaping to kick off has been more effective than other methods like chewing gum w nicotine, badages that transfer nicotine through your skin etc. I forgot the exact numbers since it's been a while.
E-Cigs Harmful = Ban. Cigarettes Harmful = Okay but tax. If Singapore actually cares about Citizen's health, they should ban cigarettes like New Zealand.
I live in nz and the vaping situation here is so bad. There’s a local vape store in every town, kids start vaping from year 7 (12 yr old), there’s ad’s that promote vaping, and so much more
Let me guess, disposables? Yeah fk disposables. Not regular vape though. I doubt 12 year old kids are studious and hardworking enough to learn rebuilding vapes.
I was a heavy smoker for 13 years (2 packs of cigarettes a day). I quit smoking thanks to vape. cigarettes contain more than 7k chemicals while vapes contain less than that. But If you added thc or vit-c to the e-liquid, you’re dead.
Well.. I've been smoking for 35 years and am still smoking, though it mostly RYO and hardly store bought cigarettes. You're looking at the generalization of chemical contents. The problem with vaping lies in the producing. Many buy from in-store mixing or locally produced ones. Just like Moonshine. Who's to say what goes in and how much percentage of nicotine is added for example. In short, no QC. Even now, the disposables ranges from RM8 to RM22 for 600 puffs. One is imported, the other is buying the unsealed/refillable catridges/pods and DYI for a cheap price. And here in M'sia, it's common to see kids around 12 with each holding a VoltBar. Unless a whole bunch of people suddenly die from some contaminated units, I doubt my government will be in a hurry to ban it.
Lol @yeakakka, u didn’t quit sh1t. The harmful effects still remain. U just replaced it. It’s like replacing McDonald with KFC and “wishful thinking” that it’s healthier. Best is to stop inhaling neither of them. Of course, this requires effort and discipline which many people cannot abide by.
I managed to quit smoking through vaping and eventually quit vaping in totality too. Perhaps you can also visit the subject from this POV. While I understand that the audience of this video is for youths, who may have little exposure to smoking (and do they even if they watch CNA?). The content may also deter the heavy smokers (like I was) to embark on the journey to quitting.
Yah, I partially agreed with you. But there are some who vape, not because of quitting smoking, and are addicted to vaping. Maybe vapes shd be control like those prescription drugs. Unless one day authorities need some revenue from the taxing of Vapes.😅
Shouldn't use the few successful case to extrapolate the harmless of vaping. People who want to quit smoking will find out how to. People who get into smoking or vaping do not know the harmfulness of it nor will they bother to find out, even if they do learn about it they will just keep doing it because YOLO. Most importantly, I doubt most smokers and vapers have grandparents as heavy smoker who pass away in pain due to it.
in conclusion: The government would often promote vaping as “worse than smoking” without any research/support backing this claim. There isn’t enough research and data to show that it is in fact worse. Guess we’ll find out in time to come
They convert THC into THC acetate which makes it more potent but it also breaks down in the vape forming toxic ketene which destroys lung tissue in very low concentrations about as bad as phosgene gas. vitamin E acetate is also an issue for non THC vapes from cheap places so even those arent safe if they have these in them. Solution: dont put acetate esters in vapes.
Does this documentary is payed buy tobacco companies ?? I personally quite smoking after 10years with the help of vap reducing the level of nicotine gradually now i have 0 nicotine liquid and I vap 1 or twice a week in a social circumstances. Vap is one a of the best things ever happen for the smoker and if you regulated like in New Zealand you will not have all this toxic liquid made without quality standards. This documentary is completely miss leading and made me double guess the quality of the information provided by CNA
Not everyone will go for the 0 nicotine route like you. If all the people who vape comes to the same realisation as you, then I think the problem won't blow up as much, because nicotine itself is very harmful, near impossible to quit because of the receptors that we have specifically to detect nicotine in our body. There are also other chemicals in vapes, when you smoke those for a long time, no one knows what effects it may have on your health. Chemicals found in nail polish and other household products.
Vape has been around like 20 years already with no major health pandemic. At best I would doubt the methodology of the research, at worst I doubt the doctors' integrity.
These vapes are not „laced“ with thc, they are promoted as thc oil vapes and its stated on the packaging as well that its a regulated product from the American weed market
don’t know which government department is in charge of smoking or vaping, but one particular spot where you can see many at doing it is at a bus stop in front of VivoCity. The authority should do a spot check regularly at this place where it is n the right of the bus stop when you alight from the bus walking into the shopping mall.
the only reason i know why vape is banned in singapore is that vape juices could include weed , marijuana etc ,drugs that are banned, which is very hard to regulate and easy to traffic into singapore as generic vape juice or pods. Other than that reason, if u ban vape why not cigarettes too.
Brother all other countries that have vapes don't have any problems like this. With vapes being unregulated you actually risk more kids getting into vapes because dealers will not care who they sell the vape to.
the price these are actually reverse in Vietnam while average cigarettes cost is about 1-3$ (ex: a pack of black devil is just about 2$) vape cost about 8-20$ idk why is this but i still feel that the percentage of ppl vaping is higher than smoking
I've witnessed a ton of cases where vape did helped them cut cigarettes totally though. And afew cases where they're able to put off vaping after that and totally be nicotine free. They mentioned it's way easier to quit vaping than cigarettes and also there seems to be less drawbacks.
I’m American. Every time I travel to Singapore or Thailand I am exceedingly annoyed because I cannot take my vape with me. As a former smoker, vaping is considerably less harmful. I make my own liquid, I know what’s in it, I feel perfectly fine using the products I use rather than smoking cigarettes. I highly support vape usage for adults who choose to use them or use it as a way to quit smoking. I don’t recommend people or minors start vaping if they don’t already use cigarettes.
Blanket bans don't help. Vape pens are just normal cigarettes but electronic. The only feasible option I see is heavy regulation like how tobacco and alcohol products are regulated. End of story.
Always enjoyed the impartial views on Talking Point but this segment on vaping clearly suffers from confirmation bias. Long-term studies have shown that vaping is much less harmful than smoking, yet CNA never referenced these results. Wonder why?
Not only that, they focus a lot on teens, they comparing vaping with cigg without showing the result from cigg, cigg saying 1mg nicotine isn’t really 1mg for the whole pack, their mimic vaper is vaping faster than a normal human could, the coil is probably extremely burnt & a doctor who says “i think” shouldn’t be a doctor. Should say I don’t know we need more test/data. The whole talk was completely bias.
@@richmondng3930 🤷🏻♀️Do you think teens who vape are more likely to move on to cigarettes? Also, less harmful doesn’t mean not harmful. This is also a current trend. News worthy?
@@richmondng3930 Of course they have to focus a lot on teens. My work revolves around teens, 100% of the teens I asked saw their classmates vape, as young as 12 yrs old. Compared to teens who smoke, the amount of teens who vape is increasing at an alarming rate. Imagine that being your kid or future kid. I think this video is mainly targeted at teens to discourage them from picking up vaping.
@@cathhl2440 that’s another problem here. With enough addiction to the nicotine in vape, cigarettes eventually become another nicotine source especially when they can’t get access to their vape. Yes, vape may have been used for some to quite smoking, but it can also be a gateway to further substance abuse.
Firat off a cigarette has more than 500 chemicals. Nicotine is not harmful. This documentry does not provide a whollistic view. Lot of issues with this study. Go read some research papers first.
nicotine can actually have a neuroprotective effect for the brain, not saying that teens should ingest it, but worth noting because it's often misrepresented especially in media (who most commonly don't double check their sources).
Vaping are not for teenagers, simple as that. We all know that. For me, I’ve been a Heavy smoker for 23 years. Vaping saved my life. Lungs feel better, I have more energy and no longer constantly cough. Singapore needs to look into legalizing it somehow 🙏🏼
Great coverage Munah on this topic. Can't wait for part 2 of this interesting story on Talking Point. Will SG government crackdown/fine vapers doing so publicly?
The exquisite reality of e-cigs is that not being medical devices to treat nicotine addiction, they were simply put in the market without any literature, any clinical trial, any long term study on either their safety or their capacity to help people stop smoking. They’ve only got one thing, they’re clearly LESS damaging but the extent? Who knows.
You are wrong. UK done extensive research on it. It is found to be a tools to quit cigarettes without getting cold turkey. Every years there are tons of people quit cigarettes with the help of vape. In UK it is well regulated. Only in Asia it is not regulated. Once it is regulated it will be good for everyone.
Didn’t know so epidemic among teens! Shocked at all the images of young people vaping like it’s cool. Govt should put up banners and posters in schools!
if you dunno what is inside the liquid, it is almost always bad. Just like a lot of the foods we can buy in the supermarket. Alot of chemicals that could be the root cause of all the rising health issues like cancer.
If it becomes legal in sg, they could limit the nicotine content to 10 or 20mg/ml. Most disposables and pre-filled pod vapes sold in sg and Malaysia only comes in 30 or 50mg/ml which is an extremely high nicotine level that most people shouldn't be using unless you are a very heavy smoker. The high nicotine content actually makes the cravings and withdrawals much worst than using a lower strength vape such as the 3 or 6mg/ml. In the UK and Europe, the highest strength available is only 20mg/ml which is already quite a high dose.
The foolish part of this is that you know that you are doing something illegal but shows it on social media thinking is cool😂. Honestly pure foolishness
Most parents themselves dun even understand or can distinguish the differences between whats a bad habits and addiction. An addiction is not just simply associated to banned substance abuse.
Vaping is safer than cigarettes idk why there making a big deal if u buy a vape from a person or a black market it's not safe and that's where vaping can be rlly dangerous oh and cigs has 12 to 20mg of nicotine plus in vaping u can choose how much nic u want idk she acting like people dont know how much nic they have in their vape
There are other chemicals in vapes, when you smoke those for a long time, no one knows what effects it may have on your health. Chemicals found in nail polish and other household products.
This is truly sad; they target young people, especially teens. If they weren't flavored and colorful I can guarantee at least 3 % or more teens wouldn't vape.
The kid knows how it works 😂 Singapore should follow Australia and legalise it. That way , vapes can ve regulated and taxed. The taxes collected can ve put away and used for those who have future lung disease. In Australia, vapes can be purchased over the counter at pharmacies. This will hopefully limit tobacco shops ability to sell illegal vapes.
In my opinion, making something illegal only triggers the mind of curious people; hence, they will have the urge to obtain it, try it, and become addicted to it. Instead of making vaping illegal, I think the govt should educate teenagers about the harmful of vaping just like some parts of this documentary demonstrate.
There's not much harm in vaping except high levels of nicotine, aside from the addictiveness of it. And obviously premature exposure to nicotine hurts development and all. But other than that, it's generally safe to vape. Already got a lot of research to prove this. Also, HSA experiment is a sham. Improper usage of test device.
I was once at Brighton station waiting for the train with my mom and I saw a guy inside the train on the other platform vaping inside the train cabin. Moments later, I saw a bunch of teenagers vaping casually next to me in that closed station. When I confronted them and asked not to vape, one of the guys started abusing and I informed the station police and luckily they helped solve the issue!
Heard of quite a few people quit from vaping successfully after converting from conventional cigs, seldom hear anyone quitting from smoking cigarettes though..
How can it be illegal if no enforcement is done ? So many people are doing it. Just take a walk down any street where young people go to and you surely see someone doing it.
One of my classmates here in Malaysia, who was a really naughty child, was caught vaping at the back of the school by our discipline teacher. He was 12 at that time. It's really a shame and disappointing.
i cannot imagine how police cannot find vape dealers, when primary sch kids can literally find them off telegram, Instagram and other social medias
i think its more of they are trying to find the main person thats selling it to dealers and not just the dealers
Maybe its just so lucrative (although cheaper than cigarettes) that when 1 is bought down, two more pops up?
Also, i think enforcement of vape regulation lie under HSA and not really the police, as mentioned in the video.
That's because some police officers does it too and from what i heard, banning E-ciggarates was a stupid idea. Eventually, it will be legalised when the government find a way to get part of the revenue.
Hi, i can give whistleblow the situation. Yes we see a tons of people smoking e-ciggrate. The problem is supplier to chain of demand. Theres tons of demand in singapore where vapers are smoking like rats. But police cant catch 1by1, but to cut the whole supply chain Into singapore.
It's not that the police cannot find.
It's more like flying a kite, sometimes I pull on the kite , sometimes I let go.
You understand ?
If vapes can be banned then so can tobacco. But of course only one of these things bring lots of tax revenue.
Yup. Regardless of it’s harmfulness. Tax first, people’s health second 👍🧐
Coz at the end healthcare benefits too 😅🧐
why do u think vapes cant be taxed?
@@hailgod1 you can, the ingredients and equipments but it'll be less than tobacco cause of it's re-usable and long lasting liquids.
Your point is totally missed
Taxing these products highly is a way to discourage ppl from smoking. It's a matter of time before we tax vape highly
Fresher air > vaping > smoking
If you don’t smoke, then don’t vape. It’s stupid
But if you’re a smoker, then vaping may be a healthier option if you are unable to quit smoking
In the UK vape pens are PRESCRIBED to pregnant women who are unable to quit smoking.
But the vape liquid is medically prescribed too and their health is monitored. If viewers can think straight, its not just the vaping but the vaping liquid. If the vape pens are safe (since it is from a doctor and there are certain standards), then basically the vape pens outside are not as safe.
@@johcx1994 the ideal would be to be administered the pen and the liquid from a medical professional. Not sure how feasible that might be. But perhaps some manufacturing standards/regulations for pens sold might be a good place to start. As for the liquid I believe there are some laws around what is allowed m, but I’m sure more could be done.
@@avarmauk I agree with you. I dont know what the government is planning (other than to earn revenues etc), but these vaping liquids and pens are unregulated and all under the radar, which we can assume that it is not up to standard.
For abstinence reasoning, it really depends on the support and the determination of the smoker. In my opinion, it is cheaper to just stop and quit, though I agree it is hard to overcome the withdrawal symptoms.
For now, to each of his own.
Agree with you here. E-cigs have the potential to help chronic smokers quit the habit, but the absolute best case scenario would be to never smoke or vape in the first place, and I hope governments make it so that there are ways for chronic smokers to have proper and regulated access to vapes while ensuring young adults are barred from acquiring it.
heh whaiii
Vapers watching this while vaping and having a genuinely good laugh.
Vapers watching this while vaping.
😂relatable
@@kimochiRY Vapers getting lung cancer while vaping and watching a video on why you shouldnt vape. So not relatable 😐😐
@@craig170 -_-
@@wrblue08gapers watching this while cranking their massive hog
Vapes became appealing because its easier than smoking actual cigs. Most bars will allow vaping so when most people use it more people follow and because of how the devices looks now it becomes an accessory as well. I used to smoke but stopped but later on when I realized this is what is used now I ended up using it too.
Vapes became appealing the same way smoking was appealing to the older generation. The only difference is the media is trying to make this situation worse than it actually is. Also EVALI is only caused if you use vapes that have certain bad chemicals that are nowadays not used by other vaping companies
The content in vaping is unregulated. Who knows wats the guy next to u is sniffing. At least cigarettes u have to buy from known brands. As for vaping its a gamble. Do it in private but not public
Well it will always appealing for teen and some ppl to be able to exert or mimic somekind of charismatic / intimidating look . I remember I did try to smoke cigar but I didn't have the patient to bear the smoke in first try :) kinda lucky bc I think I was dumb to wanna do it
@@l_ifeefi_l1998 more like vape is ppl's personal problem so nobody rly care coz it don't give ppl second hand smoke. But well if the chem inside changes who know if it will still be only first smoker that suffer, coz if covid can spread by airborne bc of normal breathing who said vape smoke chem won't?
Hi5
Omg not only is this topic interesting, its covered by Munah?!?!?! HAHAHA
Im 22.. and as soon as one of the kids said that she will have her vape everywhere.. even beside her pillow.. this is so relatable and scary to hear it coming out from another individual..
Mood. I have colleagues who vape and the horrifying reality is the extent of their nicotine addiction. Smokers have no choice but to hold it in until they find a convenient spot to smoke legally as the scent of tobacco is too difficult to miss. Experienced and addicted vapers have all sorts of techniques to completely conceal their vaping, scent and smoke included, which results in a scenario where if they are alone or with people they trust, they will pretty much take a puff every few minutes or seconds even, tens of times more frequently than the tobacco smoker. Imagine what harm that does to the dopamine-riddled brain, even if we naively assume that all vapes only contain pure nicotine and glycerin and nothing else.
Heck, common sense tells us than inhaling any fumes always come at a definite risk to begin with!
Vaping is prescribed as a medication in UK NHS to help smokers quit smoking.
Vaping does not contain carbon monoxide, tar and cause passive smoking like cigarettes do.
Yeah ,but I don't think any healthy ppl need to vape tho :D and mostly teens just do it to look cool and play smoke-shaping. With lower health risk than cigar but still not zero, kinda feel the headline is a clickbait
@@l_z1478 Yea but smokers should have the choice to be prescribed vape if they're trying to quit.
Of all the smoking cessation aids(gum patch etc), vaping has had the highest success rate.
Singapore needs to do something about second smoking too. Newborn babies inside HDBs inhale so much smoke. Sick people and everyone is forced to inhale bad air. Everyday. And no one does anything
how are you going to govern that? Say second hand smoke drifts into the house you wanna outlaw smoking in people’s houses? What about cooking smoke which contains carcinogenic PAHs? Are you gonna outlaw cooking?
louis ng is signalling for a motion for monitoring smoking in hdb flats, so discussions are on
@@hlee2 easy, just legalize vaping. Much lesser smoke going into neighbors houses and on the streets.
@@maltitos5180 time to vote him out , invasion of personal space
@@sdqsdq6274 not really, he is speaking for many people who feel that smoking should be banned at homes. maybe they can go down to somewhere else?
Underaged smoking, smoking in banned areas, vaping... all of these are so prevalent. Yet the authorities do nothing despite all the complains.
Very informative, it is so prevalent that even I see my friends doing it!! Glad that I saw this video and glad to see that this video is trending!!!
Really? lol! you found the pap's cna informative? lol! Here's more accurate information.
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Honestly vaping is more addictive than smoking. A stick of cigarette is able to last me for approximately 1 hour but 1 puff of vaping can lead me to a 100 puff. I am a smoker since the age 12 and has been smoking for already 10 years. I have already quitted smoking for 30days, after 30days I feel younger, healthy and lesser to no acnes. I believe anyone can do it too.
I enjoyed the episode, but I can't help to feel that the content led me to the conclusion that vaping is worst (to the health) than cigarettes, without actual robust scientific details/tests. There were a lot of variables thrown around and one of which is that a single vape pod is more harmful than a few cigarettes?
If one is to say that vape is worst than cigarettes, I would expect the hypothesis to be tested as follows;
1. Using a list of known harmful (to human health) components in cigarettes, cross-compare the presence of these components in vape, and narrow the list down to about 10 chemicals
2. Using a standardised laboratory test as shown in the video, compare the quantity of these short-listed chemicals in a puff from a cigarette vs that of vape
If the quantities of the harmful chemicals in a puff of vape is more than that in cigarettes, the hypothesis is true, that being vape has more harmful chemicals than in cigarettes. If not, then the reverse is true, that cigarettes are more harmful than vape.
Although I enjoyed the episode, the production misled me to conclude that vape is more harmful than cigarettes without proper comparisons.
edit: sentence structure
In the UK vaping is promoted as a way to get people to stop smoking however there are laws on where you can vape just like where you can smoke - so no vaping inside in schools, cinemas, train stations, etc - , you have to be over 18 and what vapes can be sold. We do have a problem like in Singapore with teens vaping but we had a problem with teens smoking. Most of the adults taking smoke breaks outside in the UK are now vaping.
I agree on the point that this report makes somebody think that vaping is worse than smking but in term of the research that you proposed above, I don't think it worksthat way. To study the effect on human being, the possible design that is ethically sound is a Case Control Study, which now is quiet hard to do, since the duration of exposure between the groups are unbalanced.
Now the evidence that the doctor provides is called a Case study of a teenager having a pneumothorax due to vaping. This case study of course raises a concern, but the level of evidence is quiet low since to established a causal relationship, case control is the minimum to go, followed by cohort study.
But my point is: A case report on "EVALI" itself should raise a concern.
@@MrNikkovl I completely agree that human data will be more convincing than the in vitro (lab-based) study I proposed regarding the harmful effects of vape vs cigarette. However, the doctor cited having one/two patients with pneumothorax. No case studies were cited. If a comparison between vape and cigarette has to be made, according to the title of the video "Vape: Are They Really Healthier Than Cigarettes?", and if human data is to be shown, I'd expect a controlled study to be reported where you have one group that is the control (cigarette) vs the test group (vapers), and track the health indicators over a period of time (which you made a very good point that it can be extremely lengthy, especially for cohort study), to make a claim that one is more harmful than the other to human health.
"Numerous in vivo and in vitro studies have been performed to better understand the impact of these new inhalable compounds on human health. Results of toxicological analyses suggest that e-cigarettes can be safer than conventional cigarettes, although harmful effects from short-term e-cigarette use have been described. Worryingly, the potential long-term effects of e-cigarette consumption have been scarcely investigated." Source: Marques, P., Piqueras, L. & Sanz, MJ. An updated overview of e-cigarette impact on human health. Respir Res 22, 151 (2021). doi.org/10.1186/s12931-021-01737-5
TLDR: To make a claim that vaping is more harmful than cigarettes, a controlled study is warranted, where the health indicators (can also be incidence rate of pneumothorax) are measured between the control (cigarette smokers) vs. test group (vapers) over a fixed period.
Edit: quotation and reference to a peer-reviewed review article in British Medical Journal
Well, cigarette is well studied subject thanks to your great grand parents. For vape, the test subjects are this generation and you will see the result half a century later. We can only make assumptions of how bad vaping can be based on our limited understanding of these chemicals and how the chemicals are delivered.
Based on current understanding, vaping is easier to get into than smoking because of the flavorings and lack of repulsive smoke which make sense that one will likely to puff more than typical smoke. If you end up puffing more than a typical cigarette stick, it is obvious you gonna breath in more chemicals than typical cigarettes. The episode did not explicitly say that but that what it is implying.
It is also easier and cheaper to obtain, and young age are very vulnerable to chemicals as they are still growing. Therefore, in that contrast, vaping cause more damage than smoke.
Smoking is more well known for causing lung cancer but little do people know that smokers also experience organs failures as they age. Cigarettes smoke as it burn, it condense in the lung. Vape is already vaporized, most of it get absorbed by the bloodstream, there is a fair chance vaper's organs will fail faster than smoker's.
It is up to people what they want to do with their body, but I believe it is important that people know the possible long term effects, it highly possible not anything better than smoking. Likewise, having your loves one taking care of your sickly self as you age is quite a irresponsible thing to do.
Yes I've had a short class about vaping. The teacher of that class has done years of research on it and says that overall vaping is less harmful than smoking. The most harmful thing about smoking is the act of unhaling the components that are created by the act of burning the tabacco, which is lacking on the end of vaping where they just vaporize the liquid. Also there are a lot of variables in the case of vaping. You can buy pods with OR without nicotine which is the component that causes the addiction. For ppl who want to quit smoking by vaping they can try to lower their nicotine intake by choosing pods w a little bit less nicotine than before. This helps with the withdrawal effects you have if you want to abruptly stop. Also using vaping to kick off has been more effective than other methods like chewing gum w nicotine, badages that transfer nicotine through your skin etc. I forgot the exact numbers since it's been a while.
is it just me or is the sound not aligned
I thought it was my airpods😂
No me too
Not in sync
same here
LMAO I even restarted the vid
E-Cigs Harmful = Ban. Cigarettes Harmful = Okay but tax. If Singapore actually cares about Citizen's health, they should ban cigarettes like New Zealand.
Tbh I rather have my neighbors vape than smoke. When they smoke I have ashes on my balcony and it stinks, when they vape, all good.
I live in nz and the vaping situation here is so bad. There’s a local vape store in every town, kids start vaping from year 7 (12 yr old), there’s ad’s that promote vaping, and so much more
Let me guess, disposables?
Yeah fk disposables. Not regular vape though. I doubt 12 year old kids are studious and hardworking enough to learn rebuilding vapes.
@@ghoul3804 It is disposables.
I was a heavy smoker for 13 years (2 packs of cigarettes a day). I quit smoking thanks to vape.
cigarettes contain more than 7k chemicals while vapes contain less than that. But If you added thc or vit-c to the e-liquid, you’re dead.
Well.. I've been smoking for 35 years and am still smoking, though it mostly RYO and hardly store bought cigarettes. You're looking at the generalization of chemical contents. The problem with vaping lies in the producing. Many buy from in-store mixing or locally produced ones. Just like Moonshine. Who's to say what goes in and how much percentage of nicotine is added for example. In short, no QC. Even now, the disposables ranges from RM8 to RM22 for 600 puffs. One is imported, the other is buying the unsealed/refillable catridges/pods and DYI for a cheap price. And here in M'sia, it's common to see kids around 12 with each holding a VoltBar. Unless a whole bunch of people suddenly die from some contaminated units, I doubt my government will be in a hurry to ban it.
Whatchu mean dead 😂
honestly cbd in vapes help with my anxiety
🤨 now you’re the slave of vape?
Lol @yeakakka, u didn’t quit sh1t. The harmful effects still remain. U just replaced it. It’s like replacing McDonald with KFC and “wishful thinking” that it’s healthier.
Best is to stop inhaling neither of them. Of course, this requires effort and discipline which many people cannot abide by.
as a wise man once said : BREATHE AIR !
By Andrew Tate 😂
This extraordinary CNA documentary we never expected to be on CZcams for the first time LOL
even the police vape pls
"healthier" is really the wrong choice of word in vape context..
Should/might be "less harmful"?
I managed to quit smoking through vaping and eventually quit vaping in totality too. Perhaps you can also visit the subject from this POV.
While I understand that the audience of this video is for youths, who may have little exposure to smoking (and do they even if they watch CNA?). The content may also deter the heavy smokers (like I was) to embark on the journey to quitting.
Yah, I partially agreed with you. But there are some who vape, not because of quitting smoking, and are addicted to vaping. Maybe vapes shd be control like those prescription drugs. Unless one day authorities need some revenue from the taxing of Vapes.😅
Shouldn't use the few successful case to extrapolate the harmless of vaping. People who want to quit smoking will find out how to. People who get into smoking or vaping do not know the harmfulness of it nor will they bother to find out, even if they do learn about it they will just keep doing it because YOLO. Most importantly, I doubt most smokers and vapers have grandparents as heavy smoker who pass away in pain due to it.
@@Lu5ckshut up
Munah cfm got vape one
although its bad they clearly exaggerate the nicotine in pods as they said earlier that a pod lasts way longer
the teenage boys vape so they can see Karen Lim lol
in conclusion: The government would often promote vaping as “worse than smoking” without any research/support backing this claim. There isn’t enough research and data to show that it is in fact worse. Guess we’ll find out in time to come
First metaverse interview I've ever seen
I think the audio does not match with the video
Vaping is bad, but cigarettes are definitely worse. No questions about it
They convert THC into THC acetate which makes it more potent but it also breaks down in the vape forming toxic ketene which destroys lung tissue in very low concentrations about as bad as phosgene gas.
vitamin E acetate is also an issue for non THC vapes from cheap places so even those arent safe if they have these in them.
Solution: dont put acetate esters in vapes.
Does this documentary is payed buy tobacco companies ?? I personally quite smoking after 10years with the help of vap reducing the level of nicotine gradually now i have 0 nicotine liquid and I vap 1 or twice a week in a social circumstances. Vap is one a of the best things ever happen for the smoker and if you regulated like in New Zealand you will not have all this toxic liquid made without quality standards. This documentary is completely miss leading and made me double guess the quality of the information provided by CNA
Not everyone will go for the 0 nicotine route like you. If all the people who vape comes to the same realisation as you, then I think the problem won't blow up as much,
because nicotine itself is very harmful, near impossible to quit because of the receptors that we have specifically to detect nicotine in our body.
There are also other chemicals in vapes, when you smoke those for a long time, no one knows what effects it may have on your health. Chemicals found in nail polish and other household products.
*Great documentary very informative and Munah hosted this pretty well and shes got a Supermodel vibes*
Vape has been around like 20 years already with no major health pandemic.
At best I would doubt the methodology of the research, at worst I doubt the doctors' integrity.
*_Thank you, I needed this for academic project I'm doing. ♥_*
Confirm the host got vape also🤭🤣
These vapes are not „laced“ with thc, they are promoted as thc oil vapes and its stated on the packaging as well that its a regulated product from the American weed market
don’t know which government department is in charge of smoking or vaping, but one particular spot where you can see many at doing it is at a bus stop in front of VivoCity.
The authority should do a spot check regularly at this place where it is n the right of the bus stop when you alight from the bus walking into the shopping mall.
the only reason i know why vape is banned in singapore is that vape juices could include weed , marijuana etc ,drugs that are banned, which is very hard to regulate and easy to traffic into singapore as generic vape juice or pods. Other than that reason, if u ban vape why not cigarettes too.
It's a cash cow for govt. Keep the addicts addicted, and the cash remains flowing
Brother all other countries that have vapes don't have any problems like this. With vapes being unregulated you actually risk more kids getting into vapes because dealers will not care who they sell the vape to.
Alot of shill comments for vaping. I wonder whos trying to sway the public perception. Time for tobacco representatives to do smth!
And why not burning of paper and joss sticks in public housing too
I don't think you can find any country that has banned cigarettes successfully. Do it forcefully and the black markets will thrive.
the price these are actually reverse in Vietnam
while average cigarettes cost is about 1-3$ (ex: a pack of black devil is just about 2$)
vape cost about 8-20$
idk why is this but i still feel that the percentage of ppl vaping is higher than smoking
I've witnessed a ton of cases where vape did helped them cut cigarettes totally though.
And afew cases where they're able to put off vaping after that and totally be nicotine free.
They mentioned it's way easier to quit vaping than cigarettes and also there seems to be less drawbacks.
Why did the govt ban it completely in the first place?
I’m American. Every time I travel to Singapore or Thailand I am exceedingly annoyed because I cannot take my vape with me. As a former smoker, vaping is considerably less harmful. I make my own liquid, I know what’s in it, I feel perfectly fine using the products I use rather than smoking cigarettes. I highly support vape usage for adults who choose to use them or use it as a way to quit smoking. I don’t recommend people or minors start vaping if they don’t already use cigarettes.
Blanket bans don't help. Vape pens are just normal cigarettes but electronic. The only feasible option I see is heavy regulation like how tobacco and alcohol products are regulated. End of story.
Selling poison to kids is a serious crime. caning for dealers is a must.
Always enjoyed the impartial views on Talking Point but this segment on vaping clearly suffers from confirmation bias.
Long-term studies have shown that vaping is much less harmful than smoking, yet CNA never referenced these results. Wonder why?
Not only that, they focus a lot on teens, they comparing vaping with cigg without showing the result from cigg, cigg saying 1mg nicotine isn’t really 1mg for the whole pack, their mimic vaper is vaping faster than a normal human could, the coil is probably extremely burnt & a doctor who says “i think” shouldn’t be a doctor. Should say I don’t know we need more test/data. The whole talk was completely bias.
@@richmondng3930 🤷🏻♀️Do you think teens who vape are more likely to move on to cigarettes?
Also, less harmful doesn’t mean not harmful.
This is also a current trend. News worthy?
@@richmondng3930 Of course they have to focus a lot on teens. My work revolves around teens, 100% of the teens I asked saw their classmates vape, as young as 12 yrs old. Compared to teens who smoke, the amount of teens who vape is increasing at an alarming rate. Imagine that being your kid or future kid.
I think this video is mainly targeted at teens to discourage them from picking up vaping.
@@cathhl2440 that’s another problem here. With enough addiction to the nicotine in vape, cigarettes eventually become another nicotine source especially when they can’t get access to their vape. Yes, vape may have been used for some to quite smoking, but it can also be a gateway to further substance abuse.
Wow. The results were shown in a pdf file. Someone must have type it in.
Firat off a cigarette has more than 500 chemicals. Nicotine is not harmful. This documentry does not provide a whollistic view.
Lot of issues with this study. Go read some research papers first.
*_It's rather worrying that a third of the vapers are minors aged below 18 🥺🥺_*
nicotine can actually have a neuroprotective effect for the brain, not saying that teens should ingest it, but worth noting because it's often misrepresented especially in media (who most commonly don't double check their sources).
Vaping are not for teenagers, simple as that. We all know that. For me, I’ve been a Heavy smoker for 23 years. Vaping saved my life. Lungs feel better, I have more energy and no longer constantly cough. Singapore needs to look into legalizing it somehow 🙏🏼
Great coverage Munah on this topic. Can't wait for part 2 of this interesting story on Talking Point. Will SG government crackdown/fine vapers doing so publicly?
If you smoke and/or vape, don’t start, but if you don’t smoke and/or vape, don’t never start!
Smoking and vaping are equally as bad!
The exquisite reality of e-cigs is that not being medical devices to treat nicotine addiction, they were simply put in the market without any literature, any clinical trial, any long term study on either their safety or their capacity to help people stop smoking. They’ve only got one thing, they’re clearly LESS damaging but the extent? Who knows.
You are wrong. UK done extensive research on it. It is found to be a tools to quit cigarettes without getting cold turkey. Every years there are tons of people quit cigarettes with the help of vape. In UK it is well regulated. Only in Asia it is not regulated. Once it is regulated it will be good for everyone.
@@vaquez12 I said before putting them on the market, not after x
@@vaquez12 Not quite. Cold Turkey is more effective than NRT. Joel Seltzer, Rockey Rosen, Nasia Davos, and Allen Carr advocate Cold Turkey.
cmon guys , breath air ! you don’t need a vape .
ketene was an issue with some E cig liquids due to adding acetate esters like THC acetate or vitamin E acetate.
Didn’t know so epidemic among teens! Shocked at all the images of young people vaping like it’s cool. Govt should put up banners and posters in schools!
Both smoking and vaping is bad. Just don't do it. Breathing oxygen is the best!
if you dunno what is inside the liquid, it is almost always bad.
Just like a lot of the foods we can buy in the supermarket. Alot of chemicals that could be the root cause of all the rising health issues like cancer.
If Vapes are banned, why not ban traditional Cigarettes & Cigars too? Seems like they contain way more chemicals than Vapes. Hmmm....
So scary… need a break to vape first
If it becomes legal in sg, they could limit the nicotine content to 10 or 20mg/ml. Most disposables and pre-filled pod vapes sold in sg and Malaysia only comes in 30 or 50mg/ml which is an extremely high nicotine level that most people shouldn't be using unless you are a very heavy smoker. The high nicotine content actually makes the cravings and withdrawals much worst than using a lower strength vape such as the 3 or 6mg/ml. In the UK and Europe, the highest strength available is only 20mg/ml which is already quite a high dose.
The foolish part of this is that you know that you are doing something illegal but shows it on social media thinking is cool😂. Honestly pure foolishness
I mean Making it illegal at the first place its basically making them more interested into doing the illegal item.
Nice episode !!!
There should also be a vaping area. I was once fumigated at the roadside.
Most parents themselves dun even understand or can distinguish the differences between whats a bad habits and addiction. An addiction is not just simply associated to banned substance abuse.
pmd also very accessible by kids
Vaping can be made illegal on pen and paper...but if there is no enforcement...what else can be done? literally nothing.
"Do you know how they work?"
"No. D o y o u ? " -> looks at child. 😂
im 15 y/o i was playing football then saw the classmate of mine vaping and no one react so then i leave
Quality videos always 👍
Vaping is safer than cigarettes idk why there making a big deal if u buy a vape from a person or a black market it's not safe and that's where vaping can be rlly dangerous oh and cigs has 12 to 20mg of nicotine plus in vaping u can choose how much nic u want idk she acting like people dont know how much nic they have in their vape
Yeah that 1mg stat she gave was way the efff off. I laughed. 1 mg of nicotine from a cig, oh no that is not how that works. 12mg is the actual number.
Safer does not mean safe; getting stabbed in the arm is safer than getting stabbed in the chest, does that mean I can stab you in the arm?
And they never said anything about the bloody tar in cigarettes. They didn’t have the guts to show a lab test of cigarette smoke vs vape.
There are other chemicals in vapes, when you smoke those for a long time, no one knows what effects it may have on your health. Chemicals found in nail polish and other household products.
broken calculation and mostly misleading 😅 that how new media works..
Few people means Few Taxes for tobacco company if they start vaping😂😂
This is truly sad; they target young people, especially teens. If they weren't flavored and colorful I can guarantee at least 3 % or more teens wouldn't vape.
Is vape illegal in Singapore?
Yeah
The kid knows how it works 😂
Singapore should follow Australia and legalise it. That way , vapes can ve regulated and taxed. The taxes collected can ve put away and used for those who have future lung disease.
In Australia, vapes can be purchased over the counter at pharmacies. This will hopefully limit tobacco shops ability to sell illegal vapes.
How much does cigarettes companies pay people to say what they say?
that crap is banned in california already
In my opinion, making something illegal only triggers the mind of curious people; hence, they will have the urge to obtain it, try it, and become addicted to it. Instead of making vaping illegal, I think the govt should educate teenagers about the harmful of vaping just like some parts of this documentary demonstrate.
They are already doing that at schools, I don’t think they care much about it tho
There's not much harm in vaping except high levels of nicotine, aside from the addictiveness of it.
And obviously premature exposure to nicotine hurts development and all. But other than that, it's generally safe to vape. Already got a lot of research to prove this.
Also, HSA experiment is a sham. Improper usage of test device.
In the Uk the liquids have gone through rigorous testing before being licensed for sale
There is so much misinformation here, it's unreal.
Why doesn't Singapore find a way to tax vaping? That's what the US does to controversial products aka sin taxes.
So vape is less harmful than ciggs. Also much more convenient. Thanks for the info guess I know what to do now.
You obviously didn't watch the vid. Depending on the vape, it can be more harmful than ciggs.
I was once at Brighton station waiting for the train with my mom and I saw a guy inside the train on the other platform vaping inside the train cabin. Moments later, I saw a bunch of teenagers vaping casually next to me in that closed station. When I confronted them and asked not to vape, one of the guys started abusing and I informed the station police and luckily they helped solve the issue!
Heard of quite a few people quit from vaping successfully after converting from conventional cigs, seldom hear anyone quitting from smoking cigarettes though..
No they are not. My asthma getting worst after that.. i'm using voltbar.
Please bring Sg. police to my country and take action, here it's like hundred times of vapors than Singapore.
How can it be illegal if no enforcement is done ? So many people are doing it. Just take a walk down any street where young people go to and you surely see someone doing it.
Asked thr big boss in Shenzhen behind vape phenomenon. Shenzhen is the global hub of all the suppliers, distributors, marketers etc.
How to send this to a vaper without making them feel attacked help HAHHAAHAHAHAH
One of my classmates here in Malaysia, who was a really naughty child, was caught vaping at the back of the school by our discipline teacher. He was 12 at that time. It's really a shame and disappointing.
Would be more dissapointing if he smoked, but at that age yeah it is dissapointing. How could kids get their hands on this is beyond me.
How does dressing like a street corner ***** has to do with what are you talking about?
There are no such thing as a smoker, they are just suckers at the end of a burning stick
Why do teenagers do anything really ?
C'mon we're all young before
Sound not align with video though
Just as vile as smoking. I don't know why people think sucking wet vapour into your lungs is a good idea
It kills you faster than cigarettes
So vaping is illegal but cigarettes are still legal
Agree on vaping or not, where there is a demand, there will always be a supply
Hopefully one day I get to see Izzy to speak completely in mandarin for the entire video😊