11,000 Runners Disqualified In Mexico Marathon In UNPARALLELED Cheating Scandal
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2023
- An unprecedented amount of runners DQ'd from the 2023 Mexico marathon.
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If you choose to run a marathon why would you then decide to cheat?? No-one is forcing them to run it, even more bizarre being 11k of them!
Why? Because Mexicans love to talk about times ran. They love that.
They cheat so they can do good
They just wanna be able to tell their friends that they ran a fast marathon time? And even then it's not like anyone cares what your marathon time is, unless your friends are runners in which case, they would know you're lying if you're an out of shape 250 pound dude tryna tell them you ran a 2:30 marathon 🤣 it's just the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. 11 thousand people were not competing for prize money when probably like the top 3 finishers get paid any reasonable amount. So it can't be for money either...
Same reason that people lie about their times. Which a lot of people do.
@@ohsweetmystery first of all lying about your time is just weird like who cares? But going out of your way to cheat just so you can say you ran a time you didn't is just goofy. Like just lie about your time at that point and save yourself the hassle🤣
Imagine seeing that...like a whole city cheating at once
It’s called Washington DC.
@@rogerc23😂
Even the Russian Scandal wasn’t that many people 🤣😂
Talking about their government sponsored doping and why they were banned from the Olympics a few years ago lol
Just look at the Democrats😅
It has always been this for years in Mexico.
About 3-6k runners cheat.
It’s just now that it reached this level and had to be reported internationally.
This is just to post on social media what great time they made. .. taxi taxi
That was my guess was that many went in only trying to run a 10k or a half marathon or a bunch of splits. It seems like a common thing if it's this high profile.
Mexican marathon runners don’t need a coach, just el coche 😂
Fiver coach
Hard to fathom 11k people cheating
Because it didn't happen. Even the article he linked to said 2k not 11k
Honestly sounds kinda fun to just go fuck it I’m gonna cheat on a marathon and hop in a bus with a bunch of ur friends
@@Pochi1i knew that number sounded crazy
@@Skibidibobobeebopor don't sign up 🤷🏾♂️
@@Pochi1it says 11000 now
I'm run marathons and I am slow as f***......but never once thought about cheating. Don't want to have a life knowing any of those accomplishments were a lie. What's the point? The medal is nothing compared to the fact that you pushed through the pain of 26.2 miles. Those people will always be losers.
Well said
dude there was a guy that posted on instagram showing off his finishing time and it was 1:09 LoL! Not only he cheated and was showing off a lie but guys such an ignorant that he was pressuming an impossible time
🤣 The dude just beat the world record by almost an hour. Somebody better give this guy a a few endorsements.
hes black and has 3 legs bro!!!
You amigo know your Mexicano. They love times. They talk times day and night. Every run is a race!
Lolll what the heck
I posted my 1km PB and 1Mile PB at the weekend, I did 1km in 12 seconds and 1mile in 2minutes.
wasn't cheating though, Garmin GPS is horrendously bad.
Unless you are top 3, you gain nothing so what's the purpose of cheating here?
Pride!
To post on social media and preach on how they made an new PB, that's basically it.
I looked up the Instagram posts of like 12 runners in this race(you can find it by using the tag)and everyone of them have a lengthy paragraph of their PB in this race with tons of motivational captions, it's hilarious.
The glory of friends and family calling you a cheater.
this supposedly happens in SF a lot and lol its a 10K, people jump out the bushes in the final 1/2 mile just to get their I ACHIEVED SOMETHING pic on the Golden Gate bridge.
@@josedelnegro46 haha
cheating in a marathon is just sad. What kind of low life person do you have to be to cheat at the marathon. To me this is the lowest of the low and these people should be outed and shamed. Its disgusting and kinda shows how the world is going these days people want to get somewhere and they dont care if they have to cheat to do it.
This is totally Bizarre to have 1/3 of the participants cheating.
I can only assume they were locals knowing the public transport and having friends with transport. Maybe it’s the course that’s easy to cheat on or was it a flaky tracking system?
From the title of this video I imagined 11,000 runners being incorrectly directed the wrong way then were made aware of the mistake but just kept going rather than back tracking and taking the correct route.
I’ll be interested to know that this was actually correct after several weeks investigating. Something sounds fishy.
The media were running with made-up numbers from a Spanish media outlet.... the _actual_ number confirmed by race organisers was only 1,807 runners who were disqualified for “unsportsmanlike conduct”. No clarification of how many of those 1.8k were actually cheating or whether that also included runners that didn't finish the course or some other undesirable behaviour - and the media have been quick to conflate "disqualified" with "cheated". So unfortunately race organisers aren't helping the situation with the lack of clarity around DQ reasons.
I ran the tokyo marathon. I was DQ'd because they have one of the most strictest time constaints and everything is based off of gun time, not chip time. It took 45 min to get to the starting line and you needed to hit the 10k mark by 1h30min. so I basically had 45 minutes to run a 10k.... so angry about that stupid race. I was extremely upset and extremely angry. The 10k cutoff is right where the marathon left turn is and then it's an out and back. so you could..... I did not.... but many did.... go under the road where the subway is and pop out on the other side. a lot of people did that and I didn't care. i will never run tokyo again. it was a waste of time, training and money. i could have cheated and took that medal home... but i decided against it. it would always be mocking me on the wal.. not everyone is an ethical runner. i completely understood why so many people cheated in tokyo. thousands and i mean THOUSANDS of people were set up to fail that day. that race, to this day, makes me so angry
Very few honest and conscious people like you and I in this crazy world. Good for you for not cheating. I've gotten angry about witnessing cheaters making it in life also, but God sees EVERYTHING and will definitely help honest people succeed. What cheaters do will come back to them. You reap what you sow, they will be cheated out of something later in life.
Such a shame for my beautiful country. Hopefully the measures they are taking help to improve the situation. I plan to make that marathon next year as my first marathon amd wouldnt like to have it tainted by a similar experience.
Well my experience in triathlon and Ironman is that when I’ve seen Mexico and Brazilian athletes they are very strict on not cheating or drafting on the bike.
your country ain’t beautiful it’s a horrible dangerous place
Ok, please don't cheat.
It's crazy to take public transit. But I also seen the marathon map and you could have cut miles off just by crossing the street instead of going around a big loop. The route is goofy for a major marathon.
Yeah, there is a Race like this the USA state where I live in South Dakota, the Brookings Marathon that you could have skipped a loop few spectators are in due to the place being this tree park that is about 1 mile long in a section they had to add this part to the race to make it World Record ready with Start and finish well under the new max distance from each other they can be for races like this and city only allowing the race as long as it is in the entire city with little of it on the very edges/gray area.
Sad. The worst part is these people cheated on themselves and they have to live with that in their conscience
They don’t care.
Yep, a good portion of them will eventually go and actually complete the marathon
Ohh, there's complete absolution by the words of a man the next weekend. No conscience, no consideration, no compassion.
They aren’t just cheating themselves. All of those people he’s posting pictures of “qualified” for Boston and other races that take the rest of us years to qualify for, if ever.
Animals have no conscience.
Ms Garcia did a 12.4 mile 1:56(9 min mile pace), then managed to to cut that time almost in 1/2 for the last 13.8 miles running it in 1:14. 1:14 is a mighty fast 1/2 marathon+(5.22 pace). Anyone with those types of times/splits, got the boot.
I saw the course map, there is many out and backs and points where you can cut a whole lot of course if you divert by a few blocks. I would guess most of the cheating was from simple course cutting rather than catching street cars etc
This is horrible 😢 for all of us who had worked soo hard to get to Boston, and they are openly cheating. Thank God they got caught.
Think they can hide from the camera wrong.😂😅. caught red handed. 💪💪
1 in 3, you say? So basically in line with their professional counterparts then.
good job to those who caught the cheaters
Nobody calls it cheating when they re-pave your driveway in "record time."
If there isn’t cash to be made here (which is a logical motive for cheating) why do regular runners cheat themselves? You run marathons to improve your time or to be proud of your own achievement. You never regret completeing a full marathon. The harder it was the less you will regret finishing the full distance.
I think it’s really important here to acknowledge motive! I read that the reason why cheating is so rampant here is because the Mexico City Marathon was releasing a series of consecutive medals over 6 years that spelled M E X I C O. Hence, so many cheaters who want to get the collectible but don’t want to put in the effort. Maybe some got injured, or ran out of motivation halfway through. If true this is important to mention.
Actually makes sense now 🇲🇽🥉🥈🥇🇲🇽
Cheaters are just low lifes. Those 11000 should be banned from all racing forever.
that would explain a lot.
Yes, that is true, the collectible of letters ended a few years back; this time another collectible took place nowadays every medal is part of a puzzle representing map of the city. Personally, I got the letters I & C; after collectible ended up, the medal letters were available to sale online web sites!!!! I even could bought the other letters they were on sale online!!! But what could be the point of doing that!? I don't deserve them because I did do not run those races, as simple as that, why on earth people do that?? except to brag about a fake accomplishment! it supposed that a Medal is a reward and a reminder about all your complete effort, not the part of it by cheating, that is silly; anyways whatever the reason might be it does not justifies cheating
@@marysalmon2367. But that would be 11,000 fully paid entry fees. No way any race promoter could afford that financial hit.
If this isn’t evidence of a broken society what is?
I want to know how tho. It almost doesn’t seem intentional. It only takes one person to make a wrong turn, and that can turn into thousands following thinking it’s the correct route
A course in Mexico is wide open. Cars, bikes, pedestrians the works. No one is going to say anything if a cab pulls up.
I think everyone wants to know why it happened. This seems to be the most logical for that many people to be disqualified. Note I think disqualified is different than cheating. I've been on races where someone goes the wrong way and many people will follow.
If you check out the course map it's goofy. There's like 3 spots that if you cross the street you cut out big loops. And if there wasn't good directions it would be easy to skip big chunks.
@@leapdavid this makes most sense. I like that you’re differentiating cheating from disqualified. It puts the story into perspective. My original sense is that most people probably didn’t know they went the wrong way and accidentally disqualified themselves. Especially for a poorly marked course
@@dustindiaz I like your lemming theory.
How can so many people's cheat at once ? U call it unbelieveable race cheating.👍😂
i ran a half marathon at 56 yrs.old, first time ever running competitively and I finished in 1 hr. 45 mins 57 secs.
Thinking about that still gives me pleasure. If I had cheated, I would only have fooled myself and left me empty yrs. later.
Someone owes me nearly 3 minutes of my time. That told me absolutely nothing!!!!
We live in a world where your perceived value is determined by others on social media. Many therefore cheat to “hide embarrassment and failure” when in fact such act is the very thing that devalues them
You are competing against yourself is an achievement to feel proud of, shame on them.
Well on a positive note, it might go on the Guinness Record for the largest amount of cheaters in a marathon.
Then why were they signing up for the race? The beauty of a marathon is actually finishing the entire marathon on foot using your original bib.
My guess is that 13,000 people didn't plan to cheat, but if a few dozen people decided to cheat out in the open, and other runners saw, they probably got upset and thought "well if they cheat, that's an unfair advantage, so I'll even the playing field and cheat too!" It was a mob/crowd reaction, I'd wager.
But two wrongs never make a right, and now 13,000 people are facing the consequences of their own actions. I'm sure they all knew better.
Most probably just followed the person in front of them, the organizers must make a better route.
Omg cheating?? 😑 why? People who cheat must be the type of people who want to be in everything… it’s sad, honestly.
They aren’t beheding people while pretending running
That’s ridiculously stupid. Why even do a marathon if you couldn’t or didn’t want to actually run it.
what a shame!
This is the crazy marathon
Humankind is fucked up because of those ~11 000 😡🤬 mindsets but also rescued by ~19 000 others 😍🙂
I've lived in South America for 12 years and this does not surprise me one iota. Sport, academics, business it's get ahead in any way you can.
It's one of two things. 1) The race was horribly organized and the route was not properly blocked off. Or, 2) There is something in the culture that thinks cheating is no big deal. I would be placing my money one 1. Either way that is roughly 1 out of every 3 runners cheating.
This in a country with an indigenous culture of running and racing. Crazy.
Getting the satisfaction of finishing something you've spent hours and days training for, is clearly something cheats could never appreciate nor value. Cheating in running, video games, work, life etc.. is something that I'll never understand.
I want to look myself in the eye and know I've earned it. It's called self-respect... something these 11 thousand fakes, clearly don't even understand, let alone posses. Wow. Sad.
Jane Seo, the super cheater, was caught posting her bike ride that was done at the same time of day as her run, and with the same time, but with a different (bicycle) cadence. She could not post the real run because she didn't run the full distance, and she had to recreate the run (she could have run it again, but that time was unrealistic for her, so she did the course as a bike ride & posted that instead, because of course she cheated during the actual marathon by not running the full distance.
I remember reading about that scandal. makes you think if they are ok with lying on a marathon what else would they be willing to do.
Just ban these Mexican marathons.
Pointless.
Would have been nice to actually explain what happened exactly.
They all went Roberto Madrazo mode... look it up.
The CNN article tells a different story, thank you for linking it
Can't understand human behaviour right now.No one force you to enter the marathon race & suffer yourself to run but you spend your money & time willingly to run & cheat??Mind-blowing
Time to public shame these cheaters.
Have you looked at the problem with the KM15 mat? I ran it and almost missed it as it only covered half the street. An organizer had to almost push me to the right direction. I later noticed several (perhaps one third) of runners records missing the 15km mark. I know of this because I actually lived it. But have not seen a single news note on it... 11K cheaters seems just impossible to even organize. So... just wondering if that was the real cause.
That is the most sensible thing I have read about this event. No way would there be 11000 cheaters. Something else was wrong. wrong.
A single missed mat (or even a few) isn't how they disqualify people. If you run honestly and happen to miss a mat, your pace and splits will still be sensible and race directors know that kind of thing happens. Cheaters get DQed when they miss lots of timing mats, and when their pace is an obvious lie (like people who ran 10+ minute miles for the first few suddenly missing a bunch of mats and then showing up with 7 minute average pace at the finish).
Often, if you break down a cheater's splits, they would have to run world record 5k or 10ks in between the mats that they did hit to make their finish possible.
That said, there are a lot of obvious places on the route where you could cut the course. I could certainly believe that a bunch of people accidentally followed some course-cutters and didn't realize it while they were running (though it should be obvious once they hit some mile markers and certainly by the time they finish).
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@@ianmcbee875 this also makes sense.
Cheaters were identified by impossible paces. If you missed a mat, say at 15 km, your pace between the 10K & 20K mats would still show you did that 10K segment (for me) in an hour. If it says you went from 10K to 20K in 10 minutes, you obviously did something crazier than just missing your 15K mat.
hmmm 11k cheaters with no real economic incentive all at the same time. VERY bizarre ,considering most run for fitness and personal improvement. It also seems like could be software related. I could believe like 1000 but 11k?!
Es gente que sube fotos a redes sociales presumiendo que terminó el maratón y aparte querían los la medalla o camisa que te dan de "finisher"
What a sinful age.
They did it just to get the medal because they are part of a collectible series every 6 years.
11000 people are not getting a medal. Unless it's a finishing medal? In which case, if you want it, just walk and finish in like 6 hours? By cheating your risking losing the medal anyways. Seems like a safer bet to just walk.
@@jasoncisney6366You've never run a marathon, have you? Everyone gets a medal at the finish line. And they're not going to seek out people after the fact and ask for it back, that would be ridiculous.
@@styx85 I didn't mean they'd literally lose it, but if they got caught cheating before they finished, they're not getting the medal. I've never run a full marathon but that's irrelevant to my point. But that part of my point was poorly worded to be fair. I just think it's a way dumber and lazier and riskier way to get a finisher medal by cheating rather than just walking the thing if the dumb medal somehow means that much that 1/3 of the entire field is cheating to get it.
This really says something about the culture of the country. I'm not racist- I'm actually a visable minority. But, 11,000 people cheating out of 30,000!! If these people cheat on a recreational event that gains you no monetary advantage, then what do you think these people will do in real life?
Isn't running a marathon voluntary? Why cheat? That is weird
Conspiracy theory.
Bullshit. What. A bullshit.
They saw an opportunity and took it. Herd behaviour.
I would love to hear a good psychologist explain the motivations behind cheating in a fun run (in my mind if you’re not in the elite group it’s a voluntary fun run). I don’t understand the desire to cheat yourself. Are they so desperate to receive acclaim from family and friends that they will lie to them? I can understand a few extreme cases of people behaving like this but 11,000!, it’s disturbing that so many choose to behave like this.
Imagine cheating and then feeling good when telling people you ran a marathon 🤣
Wow, Rosie Ruiz REALLY started something, huh????
It's those people, you know.
😔 why???
The age old question 😂😂
"Extremely respectable" is a contradiction in terms.
I wonder if the race organizers did anything different than usual to catch cheaters?
This race has had thousands of cheaters each year. 3000, 7000 etc.
Bay to Breakers was the worse I witnessed. Idiots jumping in almost up to the finish line.
Nobody is a looser because they can't do a marathon. But those people are loosers beyond imagination.
Maybe we just did not understand what people were competing in. Maybe cheating in the marathon was the accomplishment people were aiming for. It's not "I ran a sub 3 hour marathon" but more like "I outsmarted the race officials and they credited me with a sub 3 hour marathon even though I would not be able to cover a half marathon in that time". And then they all make fun of the people who, in their view, waste their lives to become good runners. Only this time it didn't work out. But real sport is also like that, you don't always win.
Knowing Mexico, the electronic monitors glitched. It is like the us government guys. You gotta wonder.
Legendary moment… the Mexican marathon will live forever
Cheating on this scale is a systemic issue, most likely cultural and quite interesting. There was simply no need to cheat so why do it. I find this fascinating.
it's massive!
Wtf is going on 😮😂
Probably some runners did not pay a bribe to the street cops positioned in the race that were crooked. If you didn't pay your bribe, you were shooed in an intentionally wrong direction that shaved miles off. Common thing there.
What did they get out of cheating, a slightly faster time? It makes no sense. Why sign up then?
Wow so the one lady convincing people we an the 10K in 1h29 and finished the race in 3h15 😂😂
According to the picture in the video, they are close to 3hours, so they did it to qualify for the boston marathon maybe?
Ok that makes sense. Don’t want to run a full marathon, but need a qualifying time…
most of them don't even know about that, I saw a dude that "ran" under 1 hour and 10 minutes, people was roasting him for the obvious cheating, haha
That's a real shame they got caught, I hear Boston has a great public transportation system...
Given how it looks like 3:30 was the magic number for these people, I wonder if it was a scam to get into the Boston Marathon and then "disappear" into America...it happens with flight attendants from the Middle East and would explain why almost HALF of the participants did this...
I heard the reason they did it was to collect the medals apparently they are collectibles
Its probably more of a social media thing to impress people.
Why am I not surprised???
The reason behind this is suppose to be the medals. Apparently Mexico has been giving out medals with a letter from Mexico on it. So people have been cheating either just get them or complete their set so they can spell out the full Mexico
Wow. In South Africa, we had identical twins (they have passed on now), the one would wait at half way, they swop vests and the other carry on. That was, I think early 90's. But this is just on another scale.
Just think of the time that identical quadruplets would achieve 😅
Seems like both twins are still around, one being a teacher/sports coach. A recent report (July) with one of the twins said you have to know the impact of poverty on your life choices...
I think you are talking Motsoeneng brothers. I forgot about that one. The other two brothers I actually met and were part of a club I was part of. They were there maybe a season or two. They went back to their hometowns, and then the stories came to light about the cheating. This story is pre-internet too.
@@mathsastronaut260
@@mathsastronaut260 Always excuses.
@@gbone7581The govt sets the targets on dishonesty and some people take that as a signal.
But this was pre-meditated cheating
It is Mexico after all.
You have to be more precise with your photographs, you put images of other cities in Mexico different from where the marathon took place.
The TCS Toronto Waterfront Marathon hosts a lot of Mexican runners. Now I am wondering if the bad habits came along for the ride with the marathon tourists.
What's the point? When you run you challenge yourself. You have to be a really dim soul to cheat like that.
It was said that someone even broke the world record. How ignorant is to post on social media a time that's below the WR!!!
What a stain on Mexico lol, some culture.
I don't understand what they have to gain...
time. The 1-2 extra hour they gained by cheating can be spent scarfing down on sugared carbs and coffee drinks at a Starbucks.
How do so many people run in a event that’s not at the national level that’s more participants thane the whole Olympics people should have to qualify even at this level that’s to much people and people that’s not serious about our game
It was sus when someone clocked a 1:59:59, lol.😅😅😅😅
I am going out to run in Mexico. I know many competive Mexican runners. That race was well covered. Mexico my be the best none technical running country in the world. While Mexico does not reach a Brasiliano level of general fitness and passion for the run they come close.I am going outside right now to run. I will ask my fellow runners what they know. Have I suspected that such things happen in local races? Yes. But 11,000 chaters? ¡Dios mio que es extremo!
What about that mountain tribe in Born to Run?
@@sports2hedz542 that is in Copper Canyon. Every Mexican runs like that. The all know of that tribe and that women who ran in sandalias made our of tire treads is a living legend.
Well, the number was rounded. I'm sure it was like 11,322 runners. Who really knows the exact number.
It's Mexico...Not surprised at all 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What a joke for a culture 😂…..
Although some of that footage was from NL, there is actually a HEMA in Mexico City!
LoL. They should install turnstile gates every 5k or so that only let you through if you went through the previous time markers
not 1,000, 11,000???
that is just NUTS 🌰
They needed to save their energy for the trip to the border
Why would you cheat on a marathon ?
They should have a marathon where whoever gets there first by any means wins. I think we could get the times well below the 1 hr. mark😅