Why Chelsea’s Loan System Works
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Chelsea have become infamous for their manipulation of the loan market in recent times. In the 2018/19 season, for example, they had 43 players out on loan.
Viewed by many as an abuse of the system. But for Chelsea and, crucially, the players - it's working.
So how do they do it, and what are the benefits?
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#ChelseaPlayersOnLoan #Chelsea #Transfers - Sport
That "who is this?" at 1:27 killed me 😂😂
Lmfao I never saw that🤣🤣
It sent me😂
Wow 🤣🤣🤣
Without a doubt one of my favourite things about managing chelsea in FM or Fifa is that in the second season you can bin off half the loan army for a big summer spend
I spend 300 mil in second season 😂😂😂
I get more talent, loan them, keep the best and sell all others for profit. Every season i buy wonderkids I don't need just for future fees.. 😂😂😂
What isn’t considered enough by observers is the peace of mind the players being loaned out are given, especially in these tumultuous times. The loan gives them playing time, but the Chelsea contract guarantees them a pay check if things go wrong. If they were signed on short term deals by these clubs, and underperformed, they’re the first out of a job altogether. Even if their loan doesn’t work out for them, they have that Chelsea contract as a backup
Exactly,
And ive said this time and time, ppl will always find a way to put chelsea at fault, they wont even analyse the situation first.
Spot on... they provide these young talent with a safety net.
They also find opportunities for their players. They rarely just throw out their players to teams that don’t need them. They search out opportunities and go with options that allow the players to grow and improve and if they perform well then the next year they’ll look to get them to face improved competition.
Just look at Tammy Abraham. They sent him to the Championship and he excelled scoring 23 league goals, next year he’s in the PL for Swansea and he struggled, Chelsea back tracks and sends him back to the Championship the next year were he once again excels scoring 25 league goals. Now you know there’s quality there because he was able to replicate his return with 2 different teams and at such a young age too. Due to a transfer ban he’s not loaned out again and starts to battle for first team striker. He did ok in his second PL season last year, but he really could’ve done better if he was receiving better service.
ToomuchQUALITY soCRYmore
It doesn’t develop a player if they don’t get PLAYING time.
How do they develop if they are sitting on a bench?
It’s better to play than to sit on the bench
and today Mario Pasalic is in one of the most exciting squad in Italy and Europe
I’m pretty sure he can’t play for chelsea because of work permit
@@randomsunite9991 he already sold to Atalanta dude
always wanted him in the first team 😒
@@944stylez yeah, not a Chelsea fan but I still don't understand why they didn't play him back then
@@gilangh1780 because of work permit
Chelsea literally playing the FUT market in real life...
From a business point of view it's hard to fault how Chelsea operate in terms of young talent being bought and eventually sold.
You can argue whether or not it's moral or fair for Chelsea to bulk buy/hoard so much talent.
What I will say is you have to respect how a club who have a reputation for buying success have come up with a model to make themselves more financially sustainable. You've then got their own youth academy as well which has been fantastic for quite a few years now.
I agree. It's up to FIFA to make rules to nullify these kind of exploitations: like a cap on amount of contracted players or a maximun of salary. I would be an advocate for something like that, because its better for the competion and teams full of loanies feel empty.
@@tiely13 I mean I guess if you look at it from a football purist point of view, it is quite empty. But also it could be argued that as it's often loaning to poorer teams, it's more acting like an agency, where they can train up their employers (during pre-season) and then contract them to a club for a certain amount of years. Considering then that if they have an injury, they can then be treated at a facility like Chelsea's instead of their's, means it's a lot better for these smaller clubs to trail out these players before deciding to commit.
I guess really it depends on if the player joined expecting to join Chelsea as a squad player or if they joined knowing they would be in a series of loans
I don't think that the players point is the worst there, considering that they end up more or less making or breaking according to how good they actually get to be, while being decently paid and secured.
The real problem i get with that is how it keeps enforcing the predatory status of football economy and its ever growing distancing between teams and leagues across all continents.
Still, that's not a problem that started with Chelsea, nor with their loan system, tho both can be some pieces on a overall bigger picture.
Also, about limitations, maybe the easiest way to slow down things like this loan would be some sort of limits of non hoomegrown players to get sent out on loan
Tami Longe
It works in the NBA. Small market teams are still hanging on because they have that 1st round pick.
Anywhere else, small clubs STAYS small and won’t improve.
@@tiely13 Chelsea provides opportunities to young hopeful players who otherwise wouldn't have an opportunities.
So you want to create a level playing field and kill the careers and livelihood of a 100 players. What a sad approach.
I’ve always thought that Chelsea’s loaning system is actually good to a certain extent.
Pure Good business buy low sell high
@@juniorshiluvana8121 we're talking about people tho
@@abstellkarma3072 it is not like they have no other choice tho.
@@abstellkarma3072 yes they're treated as people as well. Chelsea takes good care of its loanees.
It's good for Chelsea (and other big clubs). It's bad for all other clubs in the long run. Also not sure if it's good for the players that are being loaned out
It's like me playing FM- buy all the cheap wonderkids, loan them all out for a couple of years, sell for profit it they won't end up making it.
1= Buy cheap wonderkids.
2 = Loan them out.
3 = ?????
4 = Profit
exactly
Yep always do.. 😂😂
The best loan in recent history has to be Ornstein to Tifo Podcast
*showing Kevin & Salah*
Chelsea fans : nah we're good. (while crying inside)
Umm not really, they weren't given enough opportunities at Chelsea and at that time they certainly weren't this good so Chelsea sold them, now they playing really good and have a wonderful career but Chelsea aren't destroyed because we don't have them ,we won many trophies and didn't miss them at all and I'm pretty sure that we'll keep winning in the future as well. In the end all that I could say is whatever happened back at that time was the best for both parties
@@bruh-yg3yj De Bruyne was a mistake he wash showing promise but wasn't getting enough match time. Salah was bad at Chelsea though and he had plenty of opportunities
Update on Chelsea loans :
- Bakayoko to PSG . Loan to buy
- Barkley to Aston Villa
- D4inkwater to Valencia. Loan to buy
They trying to offload Kepa. But no club wants him. Chelsea have to pay his full wage £ 150k per week as benchwarmer 🤑
Michy to Crystal Palace
well now will probably be bakayoko to napoli
Normally Tifo does their homework properly, but the ACTUAL reason Delac was never registered at Chelsea was work permit issues. The club continually sent him on loan to countries with more lenient regulations in the hope that he would eventually qualify, but he sadly never did. There are plenty of anecdotes around about how he was genuinely seen as a great prospect by the Chelsea hierarchy
I started playing Championship/Football Manager late 90s, and quickly realised sending out scouts to Hoover up the best young talents before they turned pro, and then loaning them out, was great practice. Also, I'm fairly sure if it was irl I'd be in jail for child trafficking by now
Lol chelsea is a child trafficking club
Release Van Ginkel, i'm bored of seing him in Career Mode
@@helloY-helloY his ovr is 76 since FIFA 14
just sell him lol free £12M
@@helloY-helloY I think he's a PSV player now 🤔
We’ve known this for years tho. The majority of Chelsea acquisitions are on the pretence that they’ll never wear a Chelsea shirt, they’re purely investment assets or bonds. Their aim is simply to increase their value through development/loans deals and sell at the right time. their should be limits on squad numbers IMO, big clubs buying up all the young talent will only create a wider gap between them and the smaller clubs
Exactly.. it’s damaging other poorer communities and clubs. No limits on numbers is wrong.
I am amazed how much effort has gone into that fake mock-up Monopoly board.
Loaning system in football is so unique and good for the players and coaches alike, Chelsea in specific have a very complicated yet an effective loaning system
@One Indian boy they're still playing football at clubs where their talent is being showcased last time I checked
@One Indian boy moses is doing alright in Inter, also a broader spectrum of players today are playing so well on loan like young, smalling etc although some players may not even play well on a loan move that's because of their attitude probably
@One Indian boy as I've said they were loaned to clubs where they showcased their talent they weren't ready to be on a titke contending chelsea team, let's say Roma hadn't bought Salah then, the next year Chelsea entered something of a rebuild if that had happened Saklag would have been brought into the main team, it's about opportunity and value
@One Indian boy Kennedy hasn't per say flopped but he hasn't met expectations could certainly be a player on a premier league team, same thing with drinkwater , miazga and piazon may unfortunately end up like the forst loanee mentioned in the video, and chelsea may still make profit off them
@One Indian boy van ginkel was never a flop. Captained psv to the title. A very good player. His downside is the reoccurring injuries. And as for Kennedy, good player for a midtable team. Drinkwater has his issues off the field and hence not Chelsea's fault
It's basically my Football Manager career in a video. Got Angel Gomes on a free and 2 loans spells in Portugal later, where he was comfortable in those surroundings due to his dual nationality, he excelled and was sold to Watford for over £40m. Cutrone, bought for £12m from Wolves, sold to Chelsea for £75m after loans at Zenit and Arsenal. Having up to 40 players out on loan and selling these at the right time allowed Fulham to announce Kylian Mbappe of wages exc bonuses of £500k/week. I had to keep my loan/profit system in place as 4 year financial projections were at minus £800m..
Coming from an Atlético Mineiro supporter, thanks Chelsea for selling Nathan. He has been regularly excellent, the best player in our squad and we are going for the league title at the end of the season
Galoooooo 🐓⚫⚪
only lost 900k? I could make a happy life for my family with that
Pass me £900K and I'd never complain about anything anymore
@@gurururuwarararara8164 You think
@Justin, Abramovich would spend that on a bottle of wine or it's an hour's interest on his money.
With that money, I can do a fair bit. Buy a nice house for £300,000, £250,000 worth of cars. Keep £150,000, split £100,000 and invest the rest
Every damn FM game. There is always Piazon 😂
And Dujon Sterling 😂
Imagine 6 years playing FM and much changes to first team yeat there’s always Piazon in those reserves 😂
Until Kepa comes in and destroyed all little profit made from several loanie players.
The solution seems pretty obvious. Just loan him out 😉🤝
@@RL- who will take him? His wages are also very high.
@@st0rmchas3r haha yeah, the not so simple part :( Chelsea might have to concede a big loss there. They would likely need pay a large chunk of his wages while he tries to recover form on loan.
I don't think people will take Kepa even for 20m. And we bought him for 72m.
Apparently he's on 150k a week but said in the summer he'd take a huge wage cut to return to La Liga. I don't know if he would still agree to that, but it seems best for everyone.
As far as transfer fee goes, I think they'd be lucky to get 30m for him if a team with enough money views him as an upgrade to their current #1. Maybe they'll start low and arrange additional fees for the future if he recovers form and achieves certain targets. But it'll be a big loss either way.
They are just doing what the big Italian & Spanish clubs have been doing for decades.
Exactly. Chelsea's getting exposed because of the bad result like Lukaku, KDB & Mo Salah
And remembering that makes me sad again 😭
Q9teen "exposed" it literally doesn't matter as they consistently get so much money from it. Salah, KDB are the exceptions, and they were never gonna play under Mourinho with the players we had at our disposal. Let's stop with this stupid narrative.
@@Q9Teen Its Jose fault for selling those players. along with Mata.
RasenRendan they all asked to leave. And if Mou blocked them from leaving, and left them to warm the bench, then y’all would say Mou is evil. Be objective and think critically, before you comment.
Wow. This is very interesting to look through and analyze. I really do appreciate these kinds of videos, the ones that get you to learn new stuff, and this is one of them. Well done again, Tifo.
Fantastic video, like or loathe it, Chelsea’s loan system is incredibly good business
Just a waste of talent really that they don’t even give them a chance, most players come in and get loaned out pretty much straight away
@@miiitchelll2555 like Malang sarr
@One Indian boy thts what only u and malang sarr thinks xd
One Indian boy I was referring to the instant loan system of Chelsea, undoubtably he has the potential to become a great player
No
I used this "buy young& cheap then loans then sell for multiplied price" in football manager game and my club reaps millions of profit
Delac. 8 years. No appearances. Still got paid. Lived the dream.
Madrid's are better tbh, done it with Carvajal,casemiro,valverde,Odegaard. Chelsea letting go of players like Salah or De Bruyne are really big mistakes.
All this talk of Chelsea's loan/ex-players system will ultimately culminate in an Ampadu vs Declan Rice Hell in a Cell match, with the winner getting to be the starting DM for Chelsea FC
I would love to see that tbh 😂😂
I'm rooting for Ampadu
This system explains why Chelsea always has money available to make big transfers every transfer window
no that is all from abramovich
Explain
@@WAD528 most of chelsea’s money is just from their owner pumping in money the loan system only contributes a small amount of it
@@edsumner1682 Abramovich has been trying to make Chelsea sustainable for a while now. He considerably cut back on spending for a while before we started spending big on multiple(!) transfers again
What happened in Serbia to make Matej go bald?
😂 funny
Skirtl left Liverpool and suddenly grew hair
He met Niko Bellic 😂😂
Does Chelsea know about this?
Nathan is doing GREAT in Atlético btw
It’s been a misconception for so long. Kudos to Tifo for this incredible video
Only the loanly 😂 0:38
Salah, De Bruyne, Lukaku... too many good players have left Chelsea
put Thorgan Hazard in that list too.
Jose didnt give any of those players a chance and he sold Mata to united for whatever.
Its chelsea loaning system not Jose. Imagine 100 players to loan out and you ddnt find who are class.
The other thing that is often neglected to mention is that alot of the players that chelsea "discard" go on to stardom. Their stock is dramatically raised by their move to chelsea, they end up with higher wages and the chance to go to European clubs that might never have heard of them otherwise.
Salah, Lukaku, De Bryne and to lesser extent Thorgan Hazard, Boga ect ... these players were nobodies playing in poor clubs/leagues before chelsea signed them. And its entirely possible the footballing world could have missed out on some of them without Chelsea signing them.
ondank surely that’s a mark against their system? They’re essentially a product line for world class talent to their rivals while they scramble for the top 6.
@@Si1234321 firstly ... Chelsea have missed top 4 only 3 times in 17 years. On one of those occasions they still qualified for champo by winning it. So they haven't been "scrambling for top 6"
But also ... I didn't say that the system was good. I said the supposition that players are mistreated by it is wrong.
So if it makes Chelsea money and it improves the players careers prospects, it's hard to see a downside.
Too short...
Another wonderful piece
As a Boro fan I'm really proud of our academy. We've punched above our weight in bringing players through and we always have a couple of first teamer's that are "one of our own". Right now we have Fry, Wing, Tavernier, Coulson, Djed Spence. We always have good up and coming young talent coming through our academy and have done for the last two decades now.
They scout the teams and send players to those places where they will be a crucial part of the squad. It did fail for some players like Kennedy, Drinkwater etc but there will be a fail once evry few success
What they did to Delač is a disgrace. I understand loaning someone for like a year or two but he was loaned continuously for 8 years and never given the chance to show what he can do. Disgrace
He never got work permits
Tifo, you've done it again. Some fantastic analysis there. Get yourselves on Match of the Day
as a chelsea fan when you showed the pictures of salah and kevin it broke my heart, i hate to think that literally the 2 best prem players could be starting for us.:(
Mourinho does value experience much more
Absolute master class by Tifo! 👏🏽🔥
This is why on Football manager Chelsea are an AWESOME senior affiliate! We (Boro) had that IRL when Kranka was here and his mate Jose was at Chelsea. We had quite a few Chelsea boys. Chabola, Bamford (he did amazingly well one season for us, top scorer in the league, league player of the season), Josh McEachran, Kallas, probs a couple more I forget.
now bamford is the greatest striker of all time thanks to bielsa
Tifo, you really make my mornings✨
1:31 ''I'm leaving chelsea'' ''who is this?'' DID ANYONE SEE THAT?
Chelsea: The loan system work
Lucas Piazon: Yeah sure
Great video. Would like to see one about the current squad and season. It really is going to reveal if they can handle top young talent at the highest level. Man,are they stocked, will the results and development come?
This is the type of content I like to see.
The main reason players go on loan is to put them in the shop window. Yes some players impress so much that they may come back into the first team but very rarely. By having a lot of young players, you can generate revenue that justifies having an academy. It's a massive business.
I think Nathan is a great example, Chelsea signed a young attacker with promise, and rather than the pressure of premier league football, loaned him out, he never reached the potential and was eventually sold. It's a decent way to do it.
Nowadays, he's a Key player in Atlético, a true gem founded.
Lol that text message.
I'd like to see the wage figures included in an analysis of Chelsea's loan approach. A £20k a week player costs over £1million a year to have on their books. They must need other clubs to cover a large extent of the wages and/or pay a significant loan fee to make it worthwhile over the long run.
Bit of a blinkered view. Chelsea would love these to come through to the first team. Truth is its very difficult to be good enough for top 4 level in the Prem, as City and Liverpool among others have found.
Nice to hear some well-articulated thoughts on the matter rather than the usual herpderp you hear on HYS
Vitesse is Chelsea's loan club every year. Mason Mount had a good season in 2017, Now Armando Broja is playing first team football smashing Goals.
Oligarchy!! LOL. Nicely done.
Yeah, I mean I feel pretty positive about how shrewdly Chelsea's loan system works. I don't think, however, that completely dismisses the criticisms. Maybe if the system was built more around developing players into the first team, Salah and De Bruyne would've a) been given more time to develop and b) given the club more time to properly understand how to utilise their strengths. Perhaps they wouldn't capitalise as well financially in the short term, however maybe they wouldn't have needed to spend exorbitant fees on so many big-money signings. Sure, the loan system earns them cool 5m profits here and there, but 70m for Kepa kinda wipes that out.
A team that competes at the highest level of football usually doesn't have the ability to give youngsters time to peak , that's what the loan system is for , Chelsea need them at their best , not pre cooked wonder kids
Joe has the best voice to read me a bed time story
Wow thats mind blowing because I didn't know anything about this
Thank God you didn't mention Papy Djilobodji. We (Sunderland) completely overpaid for him after we were desperately trying to sign a defender late in the transfer window, and he was absolutely tragic
I’d like to know if players sign informed that this is the nature of the relationship.
Perestroika and Go To Vitesse on the board 😂👏
Could you do a video on why young players often struggle in decision making in the final third?
Simple.. psychology 101. The male human brain is not fully developed until around 25 years old. The executive decision making aspect is something that should improve until someone is in their 50’s and 60’s, while physical decline sets in with mounting injuries, of even minor or major types, and is usually well under way by the end of someone’s twenties. The peak years of a career will depend on intelligence, genetics and good quality conditioning. Anywhere from 25-35 is possible in football.
Imagine if Chelsea kept KDB and Salah
Chelsea should patent our loan system. I don't see any other club doing it.
Lol stop revealing our secrets..good video mate!
I don't think delac could have been worse than Kepa. Also lot of the players of the loan army become hot talents when they move.
delac will replace Johny sins because he's too old now
This system is a win-win for both the players and the club. It's a accumulation of assets for the club and a safety net for the players. Too bad it will end next season with the new loan rules. Most players won't get to keep trying to break into first teams.
Pasalic didnt recieved no work permission in England. I would not be suprised if Chelsea would have used him as a key or rotation player after his loan at Atalanta ended.
can u do one of how does bayern scouting works? they seem to be buying the correct players for their team. also choosing not to buy coutinho/james Rodriguez after their successfull loan is somewhat of a short term financial/footballing success
Its good for the players, building relationships and from business point of view but I am yet to see a player who has been developed through the loan system for 2-3years and eventually promoted to senior team for his value and developed gameplay.
I think you can count Mason Mount and Reece James in that conversation
Barkley to Aston Villa the season just doesn’t make sense to me though, I know Lamps is making room but he’s come in clutch so many times
Chelsea have got enough attacking midfielders already
I don't see any link to subscribe to and enjoy discounts on The Athletic in your video description.
Someone’s caught a dose of the Brassells with the Portuguese words
Ross Barkley, Mitchy Batshuayi, Gallagher are Premier league loanees this year. Ruben will follow them.
The fun fact is that Barkley and Batshuayi are international players playing for their country.
It didn't used to work. It started working till Chelsea got their Transfer Ban and Lampard became the Manager. Mourinho is known to not promote youth and neither Conte nor Sarri did anything to improve the youth prospects.
Chelsea bought a lot of players.
Yes
And loaned.
@@kkll9603 LOL that's the theme of the vid and you just repeated
Yes
The Athletic link is not on the video info
Great Video
Sometimes a player needs consistency to get better. as Chelsea aren't as bad as people think always moving around isn't the best for a players confidence
I had understood what Chelsea did but wasn't sure and now I am
Can we talk about its impact? On the players?
They get great wages, their choice of several partner clubs to play for and a chance to eventually play for one of he best clubs in the world.
Logstickz would you like it if every season you got sent to a different club just to get your parent club more profit because they know you will never get first team time and they won’t sell you until the end of your contract when you will probably get released. Take izzy brown for example a good talent but he is hindered by always being at a different club in the championship every season
Ed Sumner they can leave at the end of their contract there isn’t a gun to their head
They know 99% of these ppl aren’t good enough, like the video says its not like they’re a step away from being first team players for Chelsea
Ed Sumner It depends on what career goals I have and how much the club were willing to pay me. If what I want and the club wants aren’t lining up, all I have to do is not sign the contract & find a different team.
how do you make these videos i men what software do you use?
tifo football should make a video on how to beat bayern tactically
Oh god this is horrible, I feel so sad for the players. Imagine thinking you're gonna play for chlesea one day but nope you are just a profit mule. Or if you were first team and you are going out on loan you will think you might get sucked into this loan blackhole
Rival fans wouldn't understand stand but from a player perspective they are given opportunity to prove themselves in lower leagues before being thrown into the fire of the PL but sadly most of this Chelsea players failed, I see only KdB is the only heavy loss since Salah is in Hazard's shadow during his time
in america we just use college to develop them and not have to pay them as well extremely efficient except in baseball where they have minor leauges
I never thought AC Høsens would be mentioned in a tifo video
The Pasalic that's doing ever so well at Atalanta at the moment
TiFo's humour at its best
Marko Marin and Lucas Piazon would disagree. Chelsea’s loan system doesn’t work
This is what almost everyone does at fifa managers mood
Especially in FM too.
Another case Jeremie Boga! Untreated baller!
Hated the loan system for years. Would support total abolition of loan deals
I'd maybe change the title to "Why Chelsea's Loan System Works FOR CHELSEA". It doesn't work for the players and it doesn't work for football as a whole. Big clubs like Chelsea hoovering up youth players that have a bit of talent just deprives the smaller clubs and the players. It's always baffling why the players go along with this, players like Piazon, van Ginkel etc continue to sign contract extensions, then get loaned out to clubs that hardly use them as they know they're temporary signings. It's just a bad thing for football.
Very well said. Plenty of them will happily just plod along and not care where they get sent. The reality is now that most of these boys will be set for life money wise long before they've played first team football. For some of them - that will be enough.
@@jockmackay9582 yeah I imagine that's part of it. Although on the other hand this could easily be a case of young footballers being convinced by sleazeball agents that its better for their careers to get stuck in the Chelsea system. Chelsea hoard their fair share of African and Eastern European youngsters, who are usually represented by fairly omnipotent agents that make decisions for players regardless of whether its in the player's best interest
5:11 rip Christian
Something similar might happen to Kepa too lol
Chelsea playing Football Manager