Title y'iyi video muzayihindure kuko "cult" ari ijambo ribi cyane mu cyongereza. Ndakeka ko uwabyanditse yatekereje ko bisobanura kimwe n'igifaransa "culte". Culte wavuga ko ari iteraniro ryo gusenga, naho cult ni itsinda rito ry'abantu bafite imyemerere ibonwa na benshi ko ari mibi cyangwa ari iy'inzaduka. Wishing you well.
I find this dance strange too and still struggle to understand why it would be performed in church, but as far as I know it's not voodoo. I should know because I am Rwandan and have friends who have mainstream Christian beliefs and would never use magic or witchcraft but, still love this dance known as igisirimba. I consider it an element of cultural difference that I have not to disrepect, but I think better things could be done during a church service.
It is not vodoo! Igisirimba is a kind of dance mostly performed & known by people called Banyamulenge to praise and woship God. @ Bose , What do u mean by better things ? Have u ever seen people performing Rwandan traditional dance during church service !!!
Linuxkuri Bose Well said! I know that David danced too for the MOST HIGH! But what kind of dance does please HIM? Do these women know at least anything about the commandments of the Law? &&&&&&&&&& Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols. |Amos 5:23| &&&&&&&&&& Africa is bleeding and they're dancing about! What a shame... BTW, I love Rwandans too!
Wether u call him Imana ,Mungu, Katonda , God , Dieu , Gud, or whatever .... What u have to know is that they were glorifying him . How do u know that they do not know anything about the commandments of the Law ?? Please , u guys should stop being judgmental John 8:32
ziraje beatrice I never suggested igisirimba or similar dances were wrong in themselves, I just hate the disproportionate importance they are given in churches. To your first question, yes there are indeed better things that could be done in a church with better results than igisirimba. Take no offense, but if you think your church is doing it right, you are probably wrong. I will explain in this long comment: I believe that the three most important institutions that shape any society are the family, the church and the schools. Now, when you realize that the Great Lakes Region of Africa (where Banyarwanda, Banyamulenge, and Barundi people live) is synonymous with corruption, bad governance, war, refugees, and, worst of all, genocide (which is most likely the reason church members in the video had to flee the Great Lakes), you are forced to conclude that at least one of those three institutions is doing its job very badly. No hope for a positive change can come from schools designed by governments to produce docile people who never question corrupt practices of leaders, and little can come from families mostly headed by men whose greatest goal in life seems to be getting laid with as many women as possible. You should at this point, understand why, to me, church is the last hope for our region because of its founding principles and the sheer number of people it impacts. One afternoon in Rwanda, I attended a church, where igisirimba dance took more than 50% of the not so short time I was there, and preaching, if it can be called preaching, took about 15%; I realized that it was far from an isolated case. The overwhelming majority of members of such churches are young, the ones who are the hope of building an Africa we can be proud of (unlike the one we have now), and are you telling me that dancing is the most important thing a church service has to offer Sunday in Sunday out? If I said anything about the lives of the people going to such churches in general, you will probably ask me who I am to judge, but I'll say that the root of the problem seems to be that the churches lack the guts to teach the right from wrong when it might reduce the revenues. Do not think I am being harsh on your church, because mine is not so different. To answer your question about what I mean by better things, I can ask you the following questions that will be more meaningful if you you attend evangelical churches of the Great Lakes of Africa, or their derivatives like the church in the video seems to be: 1) Has your church ever taught you, what the role and the influence of the government must be, and what it must not in your life as a Christian, especially when you belong to a region where governments are notorious for pushing people to commit worst crimes againsts their fellow citizens? Do you realize this cannot be taught in government schools that most of us go to? 2) When was the last time your church organized an activity centered around showing the love of Christ to the sick, elderly, or the needy, except maybe when it was personal or the most politically fashionable thing for your church leader? 3) Is there any person in your church who could use a piano sheet music? Do you think training good musicians is beyond our financial capabilities, or does the problem lies somewhere else? If you speak Kinyarwanda, I bet the only hymnal your church can use is "Indirimbo zo Gushimisha Imana, Indirimbo z'Agakiza" translated by Western missionaries or their African clerks somewhere between the 1950s and 70s; I am almost certain that the hymn tunes have been since long lost and that your church uses its "customized" tunes, that only few seem to like, which I predict will be lost in the next few decades. I can bet that in your church there is no effort of translating into your language other great hymns that have become the patrimony of the whole world. Do not think I am against local creativity, I just do not approve our established culture of crudeness. These are just a few examples of showing you how our churches, just like our goverments, train us to be an emotion driven, non planning, shallow thinking, and crude society, and no tool serves them better than the fleeting pleasures like dancing. To your other question, yes I have seen traditional Rwandan dances in church, and while I don't think it is wrong, I would not like to see it in church often (read, I do not like it in church, and I am Rwandan). Let me end by saying that not everything Banyamulenge, Banyarwanda or Barundi do in church is good just because they do it in church. Ban'iol M R , I like your comment: "Africa is bleeding and they're dancing about!", I tend not to agree with many other things you said though.
He can be adored in many ways... glory be to Master Jesus.
imana ige ibaha umugisha mubitekezobyanyu
Manawe ubahe umugisha kuko bakumenye kdi bakemera kuguhamya aho bari hose . ndabibutse abakozi bimana ndabakunda cane
Mugasanirwe n'Imana rurema
Manawe uchubahiro nicawe
mukoraukomushoboyepe nkunda ibisirimba nkibyo mushyireho nibindi
Mbega byizaaaaaaa
Title y'iyi video muzayihindure kuko "cult" ari ijambo ribi cyane mu cyongereza. Ndakeka ko uwabyanditse yatekereje ko bisobanura kimwe n'igifaransa "culte". Culte wavuga ko ari iteraniro ryo gusenga, naho cult ni itsinda rito ry'abantu bafite imyemerere ibonwa na benshi ko ari mibi cyangwa ari iy'inzaduka. Wishing you well.
Murakoze cane kudukebura, God bless you!
Ubu nubukunguzi sububyutse!!!!!
God is great Amen
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is this the Rwandan kinda Voodoo!??
I find this dance strange too and still struggle to understand why it would be performed in church, but as far as I know it's not voodoo. I should know because I am Rwandan and have friends who have mainstream Christian beliefs and would never use magic or witchcraft but, still love this dance known as igisirimba. I consider it an element of cultural difference that I have not to disrepect, but I think better things could be done during a church service.
It is not vodoo!
Igisirimba is a kind of dance mostly performed & known by people called Banyamulenge to praise and woship God.
@ Bose , What do u mean by better things ?
Have u ever seen people performing Rwandan traditional dance during church service !!!
Linuxkuri Bose
Well said! I know that David danced too for the MOST HIGH! But what kind of dance does please HIM? Do these women know at least anything about the commandments of the Law?
&&&&&&&&&&
Take thou away from me the noise of thy songs; for I will not hear the melody of thy viols.
|Amos 5:23|
&&&&&&&&&&
Africa is bleeding and they're dancing about! What a shame... BTW, I love Rwandans too!
Wether u call him Imana ,Mungu, Katonda , God , Dieu , Gud, or whatever .... What u have to know is that they were glorifying him .
How do u know that they do not know anything about the commandments of the Law ??
Please , u guys should stop being judgmental
John 8:32
ziraje beatrice
I never suggested igisirimba or similar dances were wrong in themselves, I just hate the disproportionate importance they are given in churches. To your first question, yes there are indeed better things that could be done in a church with better results than igisirimba. Take no offense, but if you think your church is doing it right, you are probably wrong. I will explain in this long comment:
I believe that the three most important institutions that shape any society are the family, the church and the schools. Now, when you realize that the Great Lakes Region of Africa (where Banyarwanda, Banyamulenge, and Barundi people live) is synonymous with corruption, bad governance, war, refugees, and, worst of all, genocide (which is most likely the reason church members in the video had to flee the Great Lakes), you are forced to conclude that at least one of those three institutions is doing its job very badly. No hope for a positive change can come from schools designed by governments to produce docile people who never question corrupt practices of leaders, and little can come from families mostly headed by men whose greatest goal in life seems to be getting laid with as many women as possible. You should at this point, understand why, to me, church is the last hope for our region because of its founding principles and the sheer number of people it impacts. One afternoon in Rwanda, I attended a church, where igisirimba dance took more than 50% of the not so short time I was there, and preaching, if it can be called preaching, took about 15%; I realized that it was far from an isolated case. The overwhelming majority of members of such churches are young, the ones who are the hope of building an Africa we can be proud of (unlike the one we have now), and are you telling me that dancing is the most important thing a church service has to offer Sunday in Sunday out? If I said anything about the lives of the people going to such churches in general, you will probably ask me who I am to judge, but I'll say that the root of the problem seems to be that the churches lack the guts to teach the right from wrong when it might reduce the revenues.
Do not think I am being harsh on your church, because mine is not so different. To answer your question about what I mean by better things, I can ask you the following questions that will be more meaningful if you you attend evangelical churches of the Great Lakes of Africa, or their derivatives like the church in the video seems to be:
1) Has your church ever taught you, what the role and the influence of the
government must be, and what it must not in your life as a Christian,
especially when you belong to a region where governments are notorious
for pushing people to commit worst crimes againsts their fellow
citizens? Do you realize this cannot be taught in government schools
that most of us go to?
2) When was the last time your church organized an activity centered around
showing the love of Christ to the sick, elderly, or the needy, except
maybe when it was personal or the most politically fashionable thing for
your church leader?
3) Is there any person in your church who could use a piano sheet music? Do you think training good musicians is beyond our financial capabilities, or does the problem lies somewhere else? If you speak Kinyarwanda, I bet the only hymnal your church can use is "Indirimbo zo Gushimisha Imana, Indirimbo z'Agakiza" translated by Western missionaries or their African clerks somewhere between the 1950s and 70s; I am almost certain that the hymn tunes have been since long lost and that your church uses its "customized" tunes, that only few seem to like, which I predict will be lost in the next few decades. I can bet that in your church there is no effort of translating into your language other great hymns that have become the patrimony of the whole world. Do not think I am against local creativity, I just do not approve our established culture of crudeness.
These are just a few examples of showing you how our churches, just like our goverments, train us to be an emotion driven, non planning, shallow thinking, and crude society, and no tool serves them better than the fleeting pleasures like dancing.
To your other question, yes I have seen traditional Rwandan dances in church, and while I don't think it is wrong, I would not like to see it in church often (read, I do not like it in church, and I am Rwandan). Let me end by saying that not everything Banyamulenge, Banyarwanda or Barundi do in church is good just because they do it in church.
Ban'iol M R , I like your comment: "Africa is bleeding and they're dancing about!", I tend not to agree with many other things you said though.
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