Catholicism & Full Preterism | Interview with Don K. Preston
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Got to interview one of my absolute favorite theologians, Dr. Don K. Preston. My first interview ever. Ignore, therefore, me, and listen to this fella! What a brilliant mind. Check out his work: donkpreston.com/
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I've learned more about scripture from Don Preston than 50 years of redundant, package sermons, and denominational bias of "going " to church
How fun. One of my favorite Bible teachers - Mr. Preston’s knowledge of Scripture is inspiring, and I appreciate that he’s a lifelong learner. Thanks for sharing your time and this interview!
Thanks for listening!
Preston is simply brilliant. It is all over the New Testament how the writers fully expected Jesus to return while they were still alive. That idea came from Jesus and the Old Testament.
For me, it started with finding out that the “Babylon” of Revelations was in fact JERUSALEM!
We love you both guys. ❤
I agree with you Sean, I see so much pointing to the church being the kingdom and it standing forever.
I see inconsistencies in the idea that it was all done for Israel and we are the beneficiaries but that stops after AD70.
I don’t think it ever stops. If it stops then IO people would be more correct than the rest of us. It’s eternal kingdom with kings and priests.
I'm 45 but listening to full preterist eschatology makes me feel like I'm "being bad," like taking my first sip of whisky, or hiding behind the shed with a cigarette 😂
If Jesus said that he was going to return quickly, in their generation in the first century BUT churches today want us to believe he didn't come like he said he would, then there is a big problem.
@skadoosh20 I think it can have both meanings: soon AD 70, and SWIFTLY at the future parousia; not "either/or."
@medicalmisinformation there are 100 verses in the NT that speak to the imminent return of Jesus in the 1st century. Toadhouse7 Homestead has done an excellent study on these verses. You can find the videos about this under "Playlists" It Is Written: Understanding the Timing of the Millennial Reign.
There's not 2 second comings of the Lord so it's either first century coming or it's still future. This "generation" Jesus mentioned in the Olivet Discourse was the generation of His day not some generation thousands of years in the future. @@medicalmisinformation
Sean, kind of on the same journey as you 😅 from Adventist ( 4th gen) - to Preterism and now starting RCIA in fall - and seeing the church as a fulfillment -
Love the whole conversation and it would be awesome to have someone like Scott Hahn or brant Pitre on… I do think that Scott Hahn is at least open to partial preterism - as he has mentioned that in his Mass study / and Revelation 😊
I’d love to hear more about your story! Drop me a line
"Coming Soon" by Michael Barber is a full preterist commentary on the book of Revelation by a Catholic and from a Catholic perspective.
Whoa! Had no idea. Thanks for the recommendation
I love Don ❤ thank you brother!
First time seeing your channel. Just started the video. I’m FP and have also been feeling an urge toward orthodoxy/catholicism but can’t rectify it with my mind right now. Thanks in advance for this
Thanks for listening! You might appreciate this then: czcams.com/video/YjZ6W4NyOAs/video.htmlsi=dUQ775negCx-w9YD
And this is the FP study that led me to Catholicism: czcams.com/video/vz5Kori8KnY/video.htmlsi=Eawnh-sGJ3vyvga1
And lastly, this one, out today! czcams.com/video/mM9r9uoZd-Y/video.htmlsi=DLdxI1hkNAvnks-U
Babylon was old covenant Jerusalem. Revelation 11:8 "Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city-figuratively called Sodom and Egypt-where their Lord was also crucified."
Where was the Lord crucified? Sodom? Egypt? Jerusalem? Yes, Jerusalem.
“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.”
Heaven and earth have not yet passed away.
The heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgement.
My man! Awesome discussion, you got me excited, it would be unbelievable to have Scott hann, akin and Petrie to dialogue about with don Preston on full preterim even NT wright would be great to get in on this discussion
1:12:34 i call it “hitting the ATM” “at the moment” i think this…
46:46 The 1000 yr reign from my studies seems to coincide with Abraham. Abe was promised 1000 generations, but when you count it in time is was 42 generations, likewise Christs reign of 1000 years in time began 31AD when he was enthroned on the cross until 73AD 42 years later. Also referring back to Enoch 10 lets us in on the timing of the final judgement when we pair it with Luke’s genealogy Enoch to Christ.
The thousand years is a really fascinating one. I did a long multi-part study (you can find it in my Theology playlist), but more recently, I shared this short 2 part study: czcams.com/video/UbmKkgxPvxE/video.htmlsi=N7c3T2wQDUk3BhLs
Make a interview with derich jester plz
Never heard of him! Recommend a video?
@@realSeanMcMahon czcams.com/video/fU33RaH3DjE/video.htmlsi=TQ8_Is2RgQbuYg9f
Derich Jester can be way off sometimes I think. When he says stuff like, “go watch some porn,” and “ have sex with whoever you want whenever youwant” I get that check in my spirit that this is now getting way off and weird.
54:45 we also have Christ handing the kingdoms of men and his kingdom to the father so that God may be all in all. 1 Cor 15:24-28
Thanks Sean. I am very interested in hearing how you think their gathering of the house of Israel played out from the Roman Catholic perspective. Since Roman Catholics believe Peter was in Rome, instead of Babylon, Egypt. Thank you!
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My comment wasn't a response to yours. Sorry.
@@robertcain3426No worries brother. 👍
Hey there! That’s an interesting question, could you flesh it out a bit more so I can chew on it a bit more?
54:57 - ALREADY (was spiritual death abolished at the resurrection; 2 Tim 1:10) BUT NOT YET (had the telos [e.g., Matt 24:3, 6; 1 Cor 15:24; Heb 6:1; Rev 20:5] been reached until the temple's destruction [Dan 12:7; Luke 21:20-22], AD70).
Blessings,
Snazzy the Preterist
Acts 20:28-30, 'Watch out for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God that he obtained with the blood of his own Son. I know that after I am gone fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Even from among your own group men will arise, teaching perversions of the truth to draw the disciples away after them.'
Paul's prophetic utterance certainly came to pass with doctrines concerning Mary and the false invention of a special class of Sainthood and Priesthood and headlong fall into the institution of Christendom.
To be fair, in the preterist interpretation, the fulfillment of this prediction necessarily had to be before AD 70, the great apostasy referenced throughout scripture. However, this reference to “wolves” referred to Judaizers, who taught obedience to the Laws of Moses. This is a recurring theme in scripture and this understanding is not exclusively preterist either. I think you’d be surprised how scriptural Mariology is, and how large Mary looms in eschatology. Luke certainly felt Mariological fulfillments were worth documenting in his gospel, whose purpose was to be “an account of the things that have been fulfilled” - that is, eschatologically - “among us”. Perhaps I’ll talk more about this in a future video! Thanks for listening.
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Preterism, like every view, contains some truths. But to say everything is fulfilled is very problematic. The Futurist has little truth, if any. Perhaps the Historicist view is more balanced. REV 1:19 tells John to write down what he sees now and what is to come later. What that 'later' means, definitively, is not made clear.
Catholicism is a bigger issue. Christendom, which is the progeny of the Roman prostitute, has its origin in pagan superstition, the religious institutions which began at Babel.
The true church is the body of believers, the body of Christ. This is the church to which you should want to belong.
Hi Don, what are your thoughts on Gal, 1:8,9?
Scott Hahn is undoubtedly preterist leaning. His book on Revelation makes that clear. For Catholics, the ending of the age of Mosaic sacrifice i(70 AD) inaugurated the exclusively Eucharistic Age of Paschal Sacrifice, where Christ raptured his saints, on and under the earth, into His Body at the Father's Side, above the earth. That is, going forward down the aisle (as it were) to receive Jesus coming down from heaven in the form of bread, the Spirit gathers the believer into Christ's mystical Body, and then thereafter, Jesus commends him or her back down into the world to minister to his suffering but Wanna-Be future members.
"Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.”
56:57 - Are Preterists over spiritual? Or, are non-prets UNDER spiritual?
1 Corinthians 2:12-16 MEV - Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God, so that we might know the things that are freely given to us by God. 13 These things also we proclaim, NOT in the words which MAN ’s WISDOM teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, COMPARING SPIRITUAL THINGS with SPIRITUAL. 14 But the NATURAL MAN does NOT RECEIVE the things of the Spirit of God, for they are FOOLISHNESS to him; NOR CAN he know them, because THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED. 15 But he who is SPIRITUAL judges ALL THINGS. Yet he himself is NOT judged by ANYONE. 16 For
“who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” (Isa 40:13)
But WE have the mind of Christ.
The purpose of the spiritual language and having the spiritual mindset was down to fulfillment. The Old Covenant law and prophets were going to be fulfilled, but they were going to be fulfilled spiritually. As St.Paul said, "first the natural, then the spiritual". This a covenantal language. The natural was the Old Covenant and the spiritual was the New Covenant.
Informative refutation of preterism. It's all a big mistranslation. CZcams MZTV 336 and MZTV 1137-39.
Brother Preston, I don't agree with you that the Church of Christ is a denomination.
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preterists are so wrong. rev 1-12 happened 70 ad but rev 13-22 is still future
It's a little bit embarrassing that full preterism come from a Jesuit.
You mis-typed. I think what you meant to write is "It's a little but embarrassing that full preterism came from Jesus."
Fixed it. :)
But, seriously where do preterists like Preston say that their beliefs come from a Jesuit? Do they not appeal directly to the words of Christ, the apostles, and the prophets in Scripture?
That idea is disputed. But if so, go Jesuits! St. Ignatius of Loyola, pray for us
@@realSeanMcMahon Dispensationalism come from Francisco Ribeiro also a Jesuit....
@@philoalethia It's history BUT for partial preterist it's different it exist since many century
@@michelhaineault6654 Disputed, and a bit anachronistic at that. Nonetheless, it wouldn’t be the first time a Catholic came out with some whacky doctrines. Case in point: Arius, Montanus, all the way down to Luther, just to name a few! To be fair, these were all “schismatics”. There is also quite a bit of doctrinal wiggle room in the Church so, yes, sometimes there are folks in good standing whose theology might not be quite the same as another’s, which might never catch on (such as Ribera’s) or might fall out of favor (such as Teilhard de Chardin’s). Nonetheless, a more congenial situation than that enjoyed by, for example, Calvin and Servetus.