The E2's - Not as Bad As We Think?
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- Were we wrong all along about the E2's? True they were mediocre engines, but when you look into their problems, you may find that they were as numerous as you've been led to believe. In fact, many of them were simple fixes, and not even the coal bunker was the biggest issue!
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I find it really funny that one of the complaints with the E2 were that their brakes were too good.
This would explain why Thomas was the only useful engine out of his class. Cause he probably would've had these modifications made to him upon arrival on Sodor.
Indeed. Christopher Awdry does state that Thomas received several modifications at Crovan’s Gate upon purchase by the NWR in 1920. Given Topham Hatt’s engineering experience at Swindon, he would’ve seen to it that he ironed out all the bugs.
@@Nictrain123 Perhaps that would of course explain the appearance he did have in the books prior to his 'Post-Breakfast' Rebuild then...?
I believe after that incident the workmen thought it was time to outfit Thomas with a larger boiler completely different from the failed I2 boiler.
The reason we speak of the E2 today's the reason I ever believed in tank engines. I mean, if you say "tank engine" around me, all I think is TTTE franchise related. Thomas, Percy, Duck, Oliver, Rosie, Porter and each one's basis, TTTE related books (TRS and show based books) TTTE parks, TTTE related events, TTTE games and TTTE toys.
@@jamessmithandgarrettsmith3623 I like to think that all those upgrades on Thomas would’ve made him into an LB&SCR E2X.
Not only did you fix the engine, you even used the parts bin of their owners, making the process as simple as possible. That's intelligent thinking.
Railfans regardless of being a TTTE fan: The E2s had numerous flaws that didn't make them really useful.
E2s near 50 year service history and Nictrain123: *Are you sure about that?*
Each steam engine was built with a specific purpose after all
And the E2 was used for purposes outside that built purpose
@@datguymiller yes the E2 had no purpose
@@thomastheminecrafttrain2339 they were shunting engines, they did that for 50 years. In that field they were successful.
@@thomastheminecrafttrain2339 Successful shunting locos in Southampton docks . Dumbo
I think The Fat Controller would have most definitely put the money in to fix Thomas up. How else was he so confidant to grant him his own branch line, he certainly fixed him and knew that he could run the branch line with no trouble.
i had a theory the reason why sir topham hatt did what he did to thomas was because he was a fan of the E2 and knew of the issues yet like this mad lad he saw the issues and fixed them saving the class and making them worth while.
effectively thomas was saved by a fan of the class.
@@YoLo-bb2vc damn
this fat hat saved henry, edward, BoCo and thomas during their critical times. The true leyend.
Technically, the boiler fix could solve both the fuel problem and the wheelbase problem. Since the new boiler won't eat up fuel as quickly, the E2 can go back to long-distance suburban trains instead of being confined to dockside shunting yards with sharp curves. It fixes one problem directly and completely relieves the engine of the other.
Sometimes the real problem is not the design, but way it's used. I guarantee that if the Jinty was used to shunt in yards with sharp curves instead of pulling suburban trains, it would receive many of the same criticisms as the E2.
Maybe Thomas had that? He could've been modified on Sodor to have a boiler fix, enabling him to be the branch line engine. I'm on discord and someone said E2s were alright for a tank engine in size and enormous for their class, 0-6-0T.
The Jinty was used to shunt in yards with sharp curves. They were not often found on passenger work, except in preservation. The Jinty had it's own problems, mind you, such as it's axleboxes. An E2 that was fixed would probably be as good or better then a Jinty, as the E2 has, I believe, more tractive effort.
I don’t think the shunting yards the Jinties worked in were like the Southampton Dock’s. Engines with 10-11ft wheelbases such as the S100 and Austerity had no problem squeezing through. Given that the E2 struggled with its 16ft wheelbase and 4.5ft wheels, the Jinty with its 16.5ft wheelbase and 4.6 wheels would have hell in the same curve.
@@ajaxengineco I'm not a tank engine expert, but the E2, so I've been told, was heavy for a 0-6-0T. However, the engines of my country, excluding the few tank engines we've had, can dwarf the E2. I read about an engine of non-tank engine ilk in a fanfic that was something like 450 tons in weight, the EM-1. The E2, at slightly over 50 tons, was many times smaller than that and that makes it seem like a little engine. Sort of like a large compact car, a big little thing. Like a Corolla looks small compared to those big SUVs and vans, more or less, as the Corollas of the past 8 years are large compact. Call the E2 a big tank engine.
@@LD1-38 there were a couple of Jinties at work in Scottish industries (either dockyards that were smaller then S'hampton or maybe distilleries) and in such environments they could navigate a 2-chain curve, if driven slowly. That's very impressive for any 0-6-0. It could well be that an E2 in the hands of a competent driver would do the same radius of curve, and the LBSCR just had bad enginemen!
Considering the parts used to make a E2, I think Sir Topham would’ve done to Thomas what he did with Henry.
Rebuild the engine completely, using different designs but ultimately being the same engine. And since Henry’s incident happened in the 1920’s, I imagine Thomas, was sent with him.
Using components from the Furness Railway G5(for the boiler), a Midland Railway 1F(for the wheels), a couple original components from the E2, such as the Smokebox, slightly smaller water tanks but the same shape, and some components from a GWR 655 Tank for Push Pull compatibility.
On their way back from Crewe Thomas would’ve likely been towed by Henry due to the long distance from Crewe to Sodor.
The boiler sounds like a Draughting issue. as the issue stated, opening the regulator all the way would blow burning coals out the funnel. this implies the coal was burning faster than it should have, and well, burning is a chemical reaction, oxygen plus carbon. ironically in this case though, seems there was too much airflow, and thus too much oxygen blowing through the firebox. a different boiler or perhaps one with a Belpaire firebox with smaller grating would've increased efficiency, and thus reduced the coal burning per mile.
So theoretically, we could build an E2 with a better boiler and it would be better
@@kommandantgalileo Yes! And We Can Fix The Off Balanced Problem, Then The Wheels!
I Was Thinking: Since They We’re Off Balanced, What If We Thickened The Running Board/ Gave It More Weight In Order For It To Get More Balance On It? Because What If The Running Board Wasn’t Manufactured Properly?
@@tankthehedgehog105 it might be the wheels that are the problem, replace them with similar wheels from other engines that work and it should be perfect
@@kommandantgalileo Oh! Ok
While I personally think Thomas is an E2 that was built specifically to not have the faults that the E2s were infamous for having, I still thought this video was very informative and well thought-out. Good work.
I think it happened on Sodor. His faults were fixed at the Works. He IS an E2 pre-crash in the books, someone said.
@Erica L probably should've clarified that my original comment is my headcanon for Thomas.
@@nwrxj9264 I'm just saying what I think and it's because of what Awdry said I believe that. However, I respect your idea, just was saying my take.
@@erical6338 so I pulled him across sodor for nothing
@@TheChamp820 I thought you did it because he was cheeky to you. Pull him across the island. I once read a fic someone wrote that said you made him cry in his shed because his wheels hurt. Canonically, he was hurting and sad when you did that, but was out of breath while being dragged. Maybe he felt like crying due to what you did, but had no breath so he had to go rest in shed then cried his heart out in that fic?
Perhaps the problems lied with the size of the blastpipe in the smoke box. It was the same case for the GWR manors, they were heavy on coal and poor at steaming due to a slightly oversized blastpipe. Once the issue was corrected, they became much more efficient engines.
Sounds like Henry's problem
No Henry had a small firebox
He was a failed prototype A1
@@lashondatalbert8271 An engine based on stolen plans of a proposed, but never built prototype, in fact.
Thank-you for a very informative and well-done video. It's given me an idea or two.
You’re welcome my friend! Happy to help! :)
The boiler issue might be an easy fix, depending on what exactly is the problem. If it is draughting that's the issue that wouldn't be too onerous to solve. The wheels and cylinders being poorly balanced is another matter. If it's simply a balance weight imbalance that's not as bad of a problem, but on the other hand changing the wheel or cylinder size would be quite difficult. I can't see how a size imbalance is the problem (I would normally expect weighting issues and poor suspension), but giving a locomotive larger wheels is very difficult. It is easier to give a design smaller wheels, but that would still require extensive modification of the frames. Larger wheels simply don't fit well with less than a near complete rebuild, probably including new frames. For the cylinders, while it is possible to change cylinder sizes, the inside cylinders mean this is difficult. Depending on how the cylinders are mounted it can range from a (relatively) simple replacement to needing entirely new frames (especially if the cylinders are cast integral to the frames or frame stays). This would not be a small job to fix and wouldn't be worth it for a small class of old steam shunters when there are much higher priorities. I do agree the draughting should be looked at, and thinner flanges on the center axle would help (that is a matter of replacing tires, not the wheels themselves).
About the wheel base, the 9F's actually had their middle two drivers of their 5 sets flangeless to allow the locomotive to negotiate curves. Also, a point about steam locomotive boilers is that it needs to be able to not only generate and maintain pressure but also retain heat to reduce coal and to more efficiently heat the water (reducing the over-consumption of water but this is a major problem on many locomotives). The problem with the boiler was that it was not retaining the pressure that was required for the locomotive (this might mean that the locomotive boiler was rated and given a much higher Boiler PSI then it was capable of creating on its own.) This means that the locomotive's boiler PSI would have had to be lower and the use of either slightly larger cylinders or superheat (a technique that basically superheats the water in the boiler which results in a much higher steam pressure for less coal and water) to compensate for lower pressure. Also, for braking, the problem with couple breaking when sudden stopping is down to the use of vacuum brakes which has a much quicker response to quick braking then the Westinghouse brakes. This is because the engineer had to use the locomotive brakes if there was no connection for the air brakes which results in the locomotive being able to stop but the truck cannot. (This is why most yards maintain a much lower speed then branch or mainlines due to the fact that until the end of steam, not all trucks were equipped with air brakes)
Ahh, okay. I was going off an example I heard of one engine that had problems with its middle drivers being blinded. That was Southern Pacific Narrow-Gauge #1. She was a 36” gauge Baldwin 2-8-0 locomotive which was once used to haul heavy freight over Mt. Montgomery Pass. However, she constantly derailed due to the tight curves over the pass because of her blinded middle drivers. The railway was built with small 4-4-0’s in mind, not the large 2-8-0 that later replaced them. When she was later sold to the Nevada County Narrow Gauge Railroad and became their #9, her drivers were fixed with flanges and it was said not once did she ever derail on their line.
Duly noted about the boilers though. Huh... I never considered that when analyzing the boiler. The E2’s were meant to max out at 170 psi, which is 10 points higher than the LMS 3F Jinty. So, I guess making a boiler that could match the Jinty’s boiler pressure and keep it at that wouldn’t be too much of a downgrade for them. Adding the 18in cylinders from the E3’s for that should work as well. Dunno if the E2’s were already mounted with superheating or not though. I’d imagine most likely they would’ve had it. I’ll have to look into that.
If it helps, think of this as a game of balancing eggs on a seesaw. You can't have the cylinders be too small or too big which results in either too much steam for little work or not enough steam for a lot of work. The boiler may just be fine and the cylinders the same, it may be a henry's old shape situation. This is where the locomotive's firebox is not big enough to provide adequate heat to make steam, though it is more acute due to the relatively short distances and slower speeds.
For a locomotive to work, you need to have a machine that is powerful enough to move on its own, economical to run (not a chugger of coal or water) and can make and use its steam without having a boiler explosion or running out of steam. Certain cylinders could not go with certain boilers and certain lengths could also play a factor. Superheating would only improve the steam pressure but at the cost of requiring a much stronger boiler and cylinders to work. Many older locomotives had problems with motion swaying, with some actually having the chairs inside the cab coming off its mounting. This was a problem due to either poor Maintenace or simply overuse because many victorian designs were still in service by the time of BR. The Great Western Railway actually still had some of its earliest locomotives (converted from Broad Gauge) still in service by the time of BR but for the most part was the most uniform modern-ish fleet of locomotives BR received when it started. The southern had some of the oldest while both the LNER and LMS had large fleets of pre-grouping locomotives that were starting to show their age, which needed to be replaced but, for the same reason as the E2's were kept in service, there was simply not a need or money to replace them.
@@erwingup5420 True, yeah. I highly doubt the firebox itself was too small, but it’s a possible factor I suppose. I’m gonna have to do more research on the type of boiler if any resources exist for it on the internet.
@@Nictrain123 what is 1:28 music called
@@Mr.toasterandclay In The Mood by Glenn Miller
If only the E2 had a fair chance
This was very interesting and informative! Now it makes me want to see someone put a what-if style modification of the E2’s into Trainz simulator to the specifics you mentioned… That, I would love to see
@gotellyamum but you can still put custom trains in there
I am so glad you are not on the e2s are trash camp. There are several engine designs that had their faults that were given some attention, such as the Atlantic coast line r-1 4-8-4s, which had problems involving high dynamic augment. Also, I like that you used music from back to the future shortly after featuring a brief shoutout to it.
Honestly, I'd like an E2 working replica with the modifications you've thought of.
@barnabyjoy Then why not classify it as an E2M?
@@cian-neural2594 Or maybe E2X like E2 32104
I think each thomas character basis deaerves to have a newly buily one for museums, heritidge railways etc
And you crate thomas
@@Joey15811If a whole Hogwarts Express engine was built for for the Harry Potter Parks, we can build a Real LBSC E-2 painted in blue for a Thomas Park.
3:06 "Bounced around like peas in a frying pan." I see what you did there!
If you don't completely understand what they said about how to fix them, here it in in a nutshell:
Small coal bunker and water tanks: The bunker and tanks aren't actually small, they can actually carry the same amount of coal and water as Jintys, but it's the boiler that's wrong. The boiler was actually from another class of engines that has bad boilers, so all that would be needed is a new boiler.
Long wheelbase: You wouldn't actually need to make the wheelbase shorter, but just weaken the treads and flanges of the middle drivers to make it work.
Rough riding: All that's needed is to balance out the cylinders and wheels. You could give the E2s the same wheels and cylinders as the Jintys, or just give them 18in cylinders just like the E3s.
Brakes: Maybe just go easy on the lever when braking.
I don't know what size wheels E2s had, since TTTE's my awareness of them, except "small". I don't know how much diameter small means for train engine wheels.
When you mentioned the boiler, I was thinking the same thing of thinking of giving a new design.
If I could go back in time to 1913 when the E2's were first built I would tell them all this information and they would still be around today
Maybe one on display or would it be on a heritage rail?
@Kevin Lui Good idea
I think they would be on the bluebell railway or maybe some of the class on the museum in youk
I guess the reason why Thomas worked so well was because he wasn’t just fixed he was FIXED
Crovan's gate work really does had it mind ahead of time ehh?
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I see that you got back to the future references and soundtrack in here, nice
13:55 I've especially wanted to mention that I personally saw another video on CZcams several times by Fan of Hiro titled NWR profiles as he certainly gave plenty of observational researchable info 'bout Thomas the Tank Engine himself including what made him be a very good performing tank engine that includes drive wheels with a certain 55" diameter, a precise 18" cylinder diameter, a certain 180 PSI boiler pressure, a certain total of exactly 22783 lbs of tractive effort, and especially a very specifically grand total of exactly 1340 gallons of H2O in each of the extended side water tanks on each side of his own official short stumpy boiler! In fact, it's completely obviously clear that I'm personally gonna be exactly 100% absolutely usin' those exact modificational specifications! I've especially wanted to mention that I personally also apparently for another fact definitely 100%. no doubtably decided to make the middle pair of drive wheels flangeless to negotiate sharp bends easily WHILE ALSO DEFINITELY keeping the wheelbase @ the usual length! And hey, speaking of which by the way, it's basically obviously clear to be no surprise that I've especially wanted to mention that I personally thought 'bout definitely fitting each member of the L B S C Railway class E 2 tank engines with the official requirements for American origin-styled railroads including the official automatic buckeye coupling devices to help with the official process of coupling/uncoupling from American origin-styled rolling stock very easily as well as a specifically awesome newly improved type of air-brake system that'll certainly help with applying the brakes on rolling stock very easily! In fact, it's completely obviously clear that I personally believe that I personally can EASILY give the L B S C Railway's own official creation of the L B S C Railway class E 2 tank engines such a beautifully BETTER type of boiler design that uses the exact 180 PSI boiler pressure!
I loved this video so much thanks for making it. Maybe Thomas and Edward could share a similar boiler? Perhaps providing a bit of standardization to the NWR's fleet? Speaking about Edward, it would be a very interesting video covering his rebuilds and upgrades and proving that it's possible for him to look the way he does yet still be a Furness Railway K2 down to his core, since popular opinion as of now is that he can't be a K2 because he doesn't look like it and which in my opinion is very ignorant and shows a lack of understanding of locomotive rebuilding.
Yes...yes...
Thomas and Edward couldn't share boilers, there isn't room in Edward's frames for Thomas' boiler design (rear axle would be in the firebox), and Edward's wouldn't go into Thomas's shape, as I conjecture it would be too long and small in diameter. I do think they might share cylinders, though, which is an advantage as cylinders are expensive to cast and an arse to machine.
@@ajaxengineco good point but my reasoning is that the Furness Railway G5 and M1 shared the same boilers and the Lner V1 and D34 so why can't Thomas and Edward. And what I meant was share a boiler I mean the NWR designing their own boilers and placing it on Thomas and Edward then replicating an E2 or K2 boiler. That would cure Thomas' coal consumption and Eddie's shy steaming
@@younubs-1266 I can totally see where you're coming from, but there's a lot of dimensional problems that need solving for them even to share a new boiler design, I imagine you'd just end up with two nearly new engines. I can see Edward, Donald & Douglas all having a common boiler design, Thomas maybe having a slightly altered design with similar construction, as to kind of have a 'standard range' of boilers, all quite similar, just scaled differently.
@@ajaxengineco I see where your coming from. I guess scaling would be an issues to not make Thomas so top heavy and I like the idea of Donald Douglas and Edward sharing the same boiler and Thomas just having a smaller version. Thanks for the info.
I really wish somebody could find the money, the team, and the plans to just build an exact replica of one of these locomotives so that we could actually put these theories to the test. Great video though.
There has been several rumors about making one someone did make a small gauge steam model
@@lashondatalbert8271 I saw someone make a brass model that was very big. I really hope we get to see a working E2 someday.
It’s Annoying How People Are Like: E2s We’re Hunks Of S###t BLAH BLAH BLAH!
I Hope One Can Be Made Brand New As Well
They Would Need To Follow The Instructions In Order To Make Them Work Better
@@andrewchapman2024 Is There A Video About It?
An amazing video, I love the E2s just because I feel like they weren't given a chance to work out their teething problems... Also people blow things WAY out of proportion, probably to tick off hard core TTTE fans
I think it's funny how many talk about this class of locomotives' ability to pull freight trains or their small range and the fact how the US tank engines were better when they were *built for shunting work* and that *decades* before the US tanks. I barely ever heard anyone mention the fact that US-tanks tended to overhead their gear when going fast and going 'far' distances.
This needs to be seen by the entire train community. #GetThisViral
It makes me happy when I Love Toy Trains references appear almost 30 years after the show came out.
Most impressive I will watch your career with great interest
Very well thought out and informative video, well edited, and I love the music choice too. 😎
Well done, cheers, and keep up the good work!
Over a decade ago, Keekre mentioned you. Now, I finally get to witness your content
Problem: The LBSCR (for some reason) gave the E2's boilers that guzzled coal
The solution: DONT GIVE THEM COAL GUZZLING BOILERS.
The E2s deserve more dude
I think that this was a very well thought- out and informative video. Well done. Additionally, after rewatching the classic series of Thomas and Friends myself, I agree with other fans. It's quite possible that, in the Thomas universe, a group of enthuiasts tried to organise charity events to acquire the funds required to recitify the aforementioned issues the E2s had prior to Thomas' departure to Sodor. However, they were only able to acquire enough money for this to happen to one E2, causing arguments between the engines until the eldest decides that the aforementioned modifications should be given to the youngest, that being Thomas himself. I know that this is an unlikely scenario, but I still think that it would be a nice element to Thomas' backstory.
Everyone else: Watches video about famous train design
Me: Jamming out to background jazz
That was amazing! You are great at this! I would love you to make more of these type of videos.
Its honestly a shame that the e2’s got the shaft due to ww2, cuz if they could fix those problems, their couldve been more, and they might still around today. I mean a tank engine stronger than an 812 is honestly pretty shocking and would be something positive about the e2’s to talk about
Very well done, informative and interesting though one mistake at 11:30 is that's a B4 not a B7. Other than that great video!
Finally, some defence for the E2 and how to fix their faults. Like, not every locomotive design is 100% perfect.
I like to imagine when thomas came to sodor he was giving tons of modifications hence why he’s much more capable than his brethren.
I can certainly agree. Those upgrades could’ve made it a massive success, but it was a shame that the southern railway was not like the other of the big four railway companies in Britain. Was it also the same thing with the pre-grouping railways like the LB&SCR were they were not able to like rebuild every locomotive on the roster, and the locomotives that were meant to be with drawled lasting until the end of steam
Thank You!!
This Video Is Cool And Useful!
My Reaction To Extending The Coal Bunker By A Foot: “There Ya Go!”
I hope someone makes a new one.
Since this video lists the fixes, I'd like to present the modifications Thomas would've probably undergone when he was bought.
Middle flanges shortened
Blast pipe sized down
House built boiler applied
Vacuum brakes applied
Bigger drivers to accommodate for size of cylinders
Cab built flush with the tanks
Rear slope raised
0:39 dude, this had me in stitches
Btw, you gave me some ideas for rebuilding an E2, and how to make it better than the original E2’s
Good job man i likes u put thomas in the video too and i like how u explained how its built keep the work
Me, who's realizing Thomas has ALL of these modifications all the way down to the arches over his front drivers
Very enjoyable and informative video, thank you 😊 👍
Facinating watched and very informative the E2 desgin has grown on me and may consider making 2 customs 1 in LBSC livery and RWS thomas using the sparshot body an an 0-6-0T chasis.
Also I think there’s something strange about E2 32104 because there’s no pics or anything else of it in LBSCR livery and that it’s the only one to be rebuilt with an E4 Boiler
It was the last one to be withdrawn (or 2nd to last possibly). Maybe the boiler rebuild did fix the problems?
NICK YOUR A GENIUS!
Well, 50 years isn't too bad.
The E2s deserve some second chance to be useful for their work
Ps
Im not e2 hater because im quite like them actually
I like the music from the start of the video, what's the song's name?
lovely video old chap could you make a video with the h1 and h2 atlantic. if so thank u so much.
Actually, I have a Thomas and Friends OC, who's actually a cannon Warrior Cats character, Ashfur, he's an E2, but modified to fix the issues you specifically mentioned how to properly fix it
I got some warriors books.
Now Thomas can be a really useful engine.
The truth of the matter is, the E2s were very flawed. If they went on the ownership of any of the other big four companies, they would’ve been scrapped, no doubt about it. They were “good enough” and did more or less what they had to for a while. In the end, they were just lucky to survive as long as they did, and I don’t think any railway, even with the budget, would’ve bothered rebuilding an old non-standard design that had limited potential instead of building a standard engine with less flaws.
@barnabyjoy tbh that is a possibility, since the Gresley era of the LNER was quite non standard, but at the same time the LNER did scrap a number of smaller classes, like the GCR 12am. But again, this is just hypothetical.
Hey maybe this video will inspire someone to build an e2 steam engine
3:54 oH nO
0:09
Thomas: Oh Hey That Guy Look's Just Like Me
As some classes are having a new one I think each Thomas Basis shouls have a new one built. Thomas did get a lot of people into Trains so his Basis deserves to have a newly built one for museums
Thomas was supposed to be an LNER J50/GNR J23.
Had Thomas been based on the J50s, the E2s wouldn’t have been as over-hated as they are.
Thomas is an E2, silly!
It’s only down to Reginald Payne (I think), who saw E2s at Victoria Station and based his Thomas illustrations on them rather than Awdry’s original J59 design.
A reason for them saying that it doesn’t hold enough coal could be because of the fire box size, is the E2’s had too big of a fire box then more coal is required to have a fire burn so the fire box stays at an even temperature throughout the whole thing and so it can steam properly, so the problem with the coal could be too big of a fire box. This means they either have to increase the size of the coal bunker or decrease the size of the fire box
Oh, do the Hughes Dreadnought! And the GCR 9Q (not the 9P - that really was a coprolite of an engine!)! And the SR H15 (actually a very, very good engine - just that the smaller wheeled S15's stole its thunder.)
i think you changed a lot of peoples minds
Yippity Yoopity, these solutions are now my headcanon.
What's the name of the music used at the beginning of the video?
hey with the curve issue i think that a golsdorf axle system would be better than weakening the flanges cause weaker flanges will be harder on the wheels
12:48, that is a sad sight to see
Just want to know, were there any tank engines in Great Britain that were only put on shunting duties, and nothing else just shunting duties only?
we know some people are going to comment about a special little blue e2
The TLDR here is that with intelligence, determination, and enough trial and error, the mechanical faults of the LB&SCR E2 could have been rectified, but the LB&SCR, and later the Southern Railway and British Rail, simply weren't interested in fixing Locomotives that they, Foolishly and Short-Shortsightedly, in my humble opinion, refused to see the potential, and therefore the value of.
All you gotta do is add a fish man
There were 10 LBSCR E2 Class locomotives (with Thomas as 107 or 105 or Even 106) There's a Custom LBSCR E2 that was a Hidden 11th built called 110 An E2X (Thomas would probably be a E2B because E2A's 100-104 are the 1st probably Early Prototypes)
i always had the same thoughts.i beleved that the e2s would be better engines whith a few modifications.and your vidio shows how to make them better engines so amazing job on that. but still there are more better engines
0:36 Wait... they were actually more stronger than a Caledonian Railway 812 Class?
Yes, although only slightly. The E2’s tractive effort was measured at 21,307 lbf, whereas the 812’s were rated for 20,170 lbf.
@@Nictrain123 Knowing that fact, I now wanna see someone do a story of Thomas with Donald and/or Douglas, lol.
@@RoseSupreme Yeah, same. That’d be fun lol
Thomas is the improved E2
He's an experimental E2 in a wattpad story I once read.
this mad man did it he fixed the e2
Remember how Thomas was rebuilt with a straight buffer beam
New tooling Hornby model would be a good idea, + trainz22 needs to release these as add ons
Great video!
I like this vedio it got me back to thinking on the E2
i just realised that if E2s were still around, they could have been used at Day out with Thomas Events. Just repaint one and give them a face for the event, then after the events over. just repaint it back into the original OR just make 2 or 3 E2s that have Thomas' Modifications and Paintjob.
original livery*
I often wonder whether superheating would have made a difference. If I was going to go out on a limb, I wouldn't mind trying out a Kylechap blastpipe or Giesel ejector.
If wishes were horses, eh?
@hornbytrainzz
Poor steaming and performance improvements.
@hornbytrainzz
I'm no engineer by training, I will admit, and arguably the entire discussion is moot as there isn't presently an E2 around to modify, but purely as a thought experiment those are the options I would try.
The superheating would be a measure to gain some overall improvement to the E2's boiler, as in general superheated ones generate more power for a given size than ordinary saturated ones, as well as clawing back a little coal and water consumption as they're more efficient.
The Kylechap or Giesel Ejector? An effort to help in the tendency of the E2 to lag behind the fireman's efforts to keep steam up, particularly at speed, as they would improve the drafting characteristics. The easing of back pressure in the cylinders is a nice side benefit, both for speed and general performance of the engine, as if it can exhaust steam more freely it'll generally run more freely in consequence.
Third, these are relatively less drastic measures than fitting a larger boiler or altering the chassis or running gear, the sort of thing that might've been done while the engine is in for an overhaul or otherwise out of use.
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Ah, but they don't have books and a tv series based on them, do they? The only reason the E2 is well known is because of a fictional version of it, and even then by mistake (Awdry said he wanted it to be a J50).
As I mentioned before, it's an entirely moot point, none remain. If there was one and I had the means to tinker with it, why not try? Worst case the alterations don't work, but then they just might.
If only. Two little words...
@hornbytrainzz
Well, theoretically speaking, it'd be my engine, in my workshop, paid for with my money.
Too right, I wouldn't be "preserving" anything, as ultimately I wouldn't want it to sit forever silent and still, I would be running it. And a running locomotive has its parts replaced in due course as required to keep it running, even the ones presently stuffed and mounted have had this done at one point or another in the course of their lives at least once, so the ship of theseus argument is utter foolishness in my opinion.
You and I are not the same bundle of cells that popped out of our mums, those cells have been replaced and altered many times. But you are still you and I am still me even so.
If the future generations wouldn't like me for running and caring for my modified E2, that'd be their problem. I'll be long dead and buried by then.
this guy is a filpping genius
i had a crazy idea on how to deal with the E2 coal issue when i was young and it was to put a tender on him making him a E2 tender loco! but thinking on it now in my 40's would that also have solves the ride issue? probably not but it look weird seeing thomas converted into a tender engine.
and at 0:43 that tender would fit the main engine weirdly enough!
id also imagine doing this would allow for a new boiler to be fitted as such id imagine a E2T would probably be an ok sub-urban or light express locomotive or dare i say it a medium weight goods train
With these problems and how to fix them, I think they should be taken note of if anyone decides to do a new build of the E2.
My theory on why thomas works properly than the other e2s: because of his stupidly cartoonish design
Well, none E2's were preserved but, the closest we currently have are the Jinty's and 7 of them were preserved so that's..slightly less depressing
I would suggest lowering the volume on the music
422 Jintys were built, 863 5700 class were built versus 10 E2 class.
i think i can solve the voiler problem as by looking it takes time to heat up and maintain that steam the huge coal consuming could be caused by the lack of flu's to heat up the water in the boiler
Sequel: The Baldwin 10-12-D, not as troublesome as Duke thinks.
Imagine if a person remakes an E2 with these rebuilds
2:05 image from Thomas the Tank Engine - Time for trouble
3:52 The engine may be faceless, but I can just imagine just it saying: *Bruh.*