Home Defense Rifle: 5.56mm Vs. 300blk | Tactical Rifleman
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- Everyone likes "Ballistic Gel" Videos. So, here's a quick one comparing a similar sized 5.56mm rifle against a 300 Blackout rifle.
Mike, a great friend of the TR team, just happened to stop to shoot and brought his home defense 300blk rifle. He asked about performance... Well, that's a perfect time to film a video, right?
We didn't use any fancy ammo; just "VMax" type hunting ammo that Mike uses for home defense against the closest "VMax" type ammo I could find at my house (my daughter's hunting ammo). Very similar bullets, just different calibers.
I hope you enjoy the video. TR.
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The only real option is to have one of each.
Yep I’m build an AR pistol 300 blackout. I’ve already got a AR-15 5.56 so I’m building a whole new gun to hunt with
300 blackout too expensey
Amen
@MomentoMori10 uhhh... Yeah, no its legitimately too expensive in today's day and age. Government assistance or not 🤦♂️
100% agreed
When engaging the enemy at distances of 0-20 meters as in a home defense scenario.
You have a ton of choices.
Just pick one, and become an expert with that weapon system.
@Travers Kilroy Cooper Alvirez A shotgun is fine. Like the maverick 88. Available at Walmart or Academy sports and outdoors (pre corona and race riots) for $189. Extremely affordable weapon. And it doesn't look scary so no one is tying to ban it. At least not yet.
Travers Kilroy Cooper Alvirez Who gives a crap what politicians say anyway? Most of them suck. I get your points. My shotgun works for me, because I live alone, and my neighbors are like a mile away. No bystanders to worry about. Good stopping power. Very reliable. And it’s what I could afford. I could’ve also bought a hi point pistol, but I don’t like how they feel, and I’m not fond of handguns. If I could, I would buy a 9mm carbine like the Ruger PC 9mm but that’s like $530.
@Travers Kilroy Cooper Alvirez Shotguns' have been around for quite some time. Shotguns are not designed for war they are designed for hunting bird. I think you need more trigger time on a shotgun if you can't effectively use a shot gun at 5 meters.
@Travers Kilroy Cooper Alvirez Federal Flight Control buckshot gets tight groups out to 25 yards and is a very effective fight stopper. If a person understands the limitations and practices with a pump action shotgun they can get most home defense situations handled very effectively. You should train with a shotgun and find out for yourself and if you still dont like it great, at least you will have an informed opinion at that point.
Travers Kilroy Cooper Alvirez I don’t think it’s “overhyped”. I think it is just a known standard. It isn’t the fastest, doesn’t hold the most rounds, a but heavy exc exc, but it’s fairly simple and reliable, and is devastating when it meets the target. And most importantly people are FAMILIAR with it, which usually means they are competent with it.
I don’t think it’s the best option though, nor would most “gun guys”. But to say it isn’t accurate past 5-10 yards just isn’t correct. Just load dependent.
Karl, we've had this discussion before: My AR stays in bed _with_ me, not under it.
Same here, AR & 9mm pistol sleep with me every night...68 g HP (Blackhill- AR)....(Leighigh deffense 105 g. +P+ Controlled Fracturing-Pistol)
My AR even gets in the shower and farts in front of me now
@@CoryHobbs2178 don't drop the soap bud
Does your spouse get any action or just your AR?
@@wargamingsupernoob he throws the AR on her back when he is dogging her.
Best of all worlds.😊
His guest has tons of personality. Guy was made to be in front of the camera. Should be in Hollywood
😂😂😂
Now THAT'S funny!
you'd think.
but.
they already have a matt damon.
Ja Ja Ja Ja Ja Ja ...
Damn son you destroyed him haha. I was thinking the same thing though. There is so much to talk about for a home defense situation, even between 5.56 and 300 blk. I thought he might add something to the video such as using different barrel lengths or his personal experience using the 2 rounds and why he prefers 300 blk. He didnt let out much of a peep though, could of gave us a few seconds of thought or insight into the topic.
I was getting ready to say Mike is way too serious, but he smiled a bit at the end of the video :)
Blue collar Silver dollar Thanks for the opinion.
Blue collar Silver dollar Umm 🤔... Are you from here ? Just curious.
He smiled when the 5.56 was referred to as “we’re going to start with the little sissy first” lol Hey ! My 5.56 takes exception to that 🤬!! Lmao
Yeah I’d imagine its a little awkward if you’re not used to be in videos like that
I think he had a horrible hangover. Lol 😂
I'm TiReD oF sHoOtInG.
If that's not the ultimate flex on us poors, I don't know what is.
That's EXACTLY what I was thinking....
Must be nice.
(Mexican bagpip..) ...yeah, that.. OR Carl was trying to include his guest in the video... one or the other.
If you work hard enough you can shoot as much as you want... Not hard to but ammo or reloading supplys with the money you earned....
6:19 NOICE give them cancer right before the target dies
@@notablackperson2126 Hahaha!!! 😅 That is so cool to watch! I love slow-mo gel shots! 😀
Damn, that 110 grain 300 blackout round flipped AND knocked the gel block off the table. For the same amount of recoil, the choice for home defense is obvious to me.
Knocking the block off the table is just momentum. Obviously a heaver, slower round that generates the same energy as the lighter, fast round will have more momentum and physically move a target more. That doesn't tell you anything about overall effectiveness or energy transfer.
So does this mean that I need to buy a 300 blackout for home defense?my wife wants to know. Please say yes!
Yes!
I have both, love the Sig MCX VIRTUS 300blk. Able to fold and take with me in backpack. I color code the mags for Subs & Super and different colors for 556.
Would be a bad day for a 556 in my 300blk.
Still not decided upon sub or super for HD. Cant run silencer here in CA and homes are awfully close. Wish I could put a bunch if steel sheets around the property fence to prevent collateral damage.
Use subsonic ammo then you won't have over penetration.
If you don't have a 300 bo, then yes you need one. And any other caliber you don't have!
Yes
I was today years old when I found out there are 88 grain 300 BLK rounds. Those things gotta be absolutely *blazing* along!! Reminds me of when I first heard about 50-grain 9mm ammo that travels over 2,000 FPS. I almost thought it was a typo lol 😂
300 and 556 is like a new 45 9mm debate. That's all we needed.... It doesn't matter what you're shooting it all comes down to placement. I've personally watch someone fold up a white tail with a .17 and I've personally watched deer run that just got smacked with a 300 win mag. If you aim they are all good.
Well not really. 300 was specifically designed for super short barrels and in that aspect, it stomps all over the competition.
@@ShooterMedic1818are you sure about that? Do you .300 blackOut people know you can buy sub sonic 308 at the store??
@@kalidileriousthat’s goofy, I’ve never seen sub sonic 308 on store shelves. And even if it were it would be no where close in price to current 300blk. My current stores (Academy/Bass pro/ Cabelas etc) I see whole sections of shelving devoted to just 300BLK. It is becoming VERY common & extremely affordable.
@@LDJ42069 There's sub sonic everything. It's only goofy if you're unfamiliar with other ammo or how 300 blk out came to be.
The big stores definitely have sub 308. There is a section at stores that just hold sub rifle rounds for various cal .22 223 308 etc, seperate from reg ammo.
The ironic thing is the .300 blk section is stuffed full of super sonic and whatever sub sonic is left over looks expensive.
I went 300 blk for HD/truck gun about as soon as it was out. I'm kinda a ballistic nerd, hand loading an all that, the huge advantage 300 has over 556 in these roles was impossible for me to overlook. having a small, compact 10.5" AR that's so versatile is the cat's meow. The ammo cost is the problem with the 300, but as a hand loader it didn't really make any difference to me. I had the stuff to make the rounds long before I had the gun. Now we're starting to see cheaper steel case ammo even. I like the 556 (have more 556 than 300blk, 6 vs 3), but the 300 is far better in the HD/cqb role or even hunting IMO.
You just helped me a lot, thank you.
Hey man. I don't know if you still have this account but what home defense ammo would you recommend out of an 8" barrel for 300 blackout?
@@fault_tolerant_if you’re just going for factory loaded ammo, the Hornady Black 110 VMAX, and the Barnes 110 Tac are at the top of that list. If you can find factory loaded Hornady 110 GMX/CX that would also be a good one.
I appreciate the breakdown. I can only afford one right now, so I went with 5.56 for Ammo availability. When I add a second one, though, .300 is a strong contender.
Great thing about the ar15, you dont have to build an entire rifle for a caliber change, I plan on doing just a .300 upper
This might be a surprise for some but having an uncommon round(compared to 5.56) like the .300 really pays off in a time of crisis like right now. There’s no 5.56 or 9mm in my area but I can still find .40 and .300. Good thing with the AR platform is that we can have both uppers I guess lol
@@sneak916 Ehhh my searches find more 5.56 then 300 available right now.
I can't find 300 at all, so I bought a reloading press
snek must be nice. I don’t have a .300 upper yet and I can’t find any 5.56 around me😭 I usually shoot twice a month but I cut it down a bit. It’s probably getting worse too since election is coming up
I run 300 blackout for home defense and love it...thanks for saying you dont need 10k rounds for home defense your right...I will pay little extra to keep family safe..have a great fourth and thanks for your service!
@John Smith I dont make it a practice to fire in my house for practice....but when the time comes whatever 300 ammo and no suppressor and saving my family is what matters...a 22 can damage hearing in confined space...save family and get a hearing aid later in life if need be....
I was just debating someone on this, they got to talking about how 556 is better at longer ranges and I'm like bud you don't need a super efficient gun at long ranges for home defense lol. .300 is made for CQB similar to home defense and it's only going to take one shot to drop your ass.
Yeah. Just built my wife a .300BO last week. Shot 200gr subsonics, 8" barrel, perfect home defense!
What grain should I shoot in my 9.5” BO hasn’t been shot yet just built it
200G subs through a 16 inch barrel, Hornady subsonic fragment really well with little chance of over penetration. One of the best home defence options.
This is why I changed over to a 300BLK for home defense however, I would be interested to see if the subsonic loads have the same over penetration issues we saw here! Thanks TR
I wonder this as well. I run mine subsonic in a 7.5" pistol.
the round isnt gonna bounce all over the place inside the human tho is it? Heard stories about shooting someone with an m4 in the best and the round pops out of their pelvis or some crazy shit like that..
A heavy sub that doesn’t expand will probably go through 3 of those blocks.
I run a 300 blackout AR pistol for home defense...love the subsonic ammo. Very low recoiling hits hard in close distances. Can’t wait to can it
which platform? I am considering the Banshee in 300 AAC to mount my Omega 9K
@@markleethephotographer It was PSA but I sold it to get funds towards a Banshee or Daniel Defense PDW
I built myself a 300 blackout 10.5" pistol and I absolutely love that thing! Best Creek arsenal complete upper receiver and an Aero precision Gen 2 lower receiver one if my favorite blasters I've ever owned. Currently building a 5.56 pistol
If you want terminal effect at HD ranges, just use a shot out 20" barrel. The round will keyhole at like 5 yards and deliver maximum fragmentation.
Nice
300blk is cheaper than shooting out a 5.56 barrel....
THAT’S WHY I HAVE ALL 300 BLACK OUT AMO THANKS FOR SHARING THIS GREAT INFORMATIVE VIDEO 💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥
The guy in the grey looks like fun to hangout with. Lol
lol I thought the same thing. If he would get some sun he would smile more.
@@generalkaosthedestroyer3452 that’s his first time at an outdoor gun range.😂😂😂
You people, stop thinking there’s a gun that won’t ever over penetrate. You need to know what’s in the back ground of your target , your not gonna get out of trouble blaming a bullet or gun when you over penetrate and kill an innocent. Be responsible with your rounds
you're not wrong, but if you hit the bad guy with a simple 5.56 55gr cheapo (but reliable) round... shouldn't be an issue coming out the back of him. especially if walls are in the way. try that with other rounds? mmm, turns out, 00buckshot is a terrible choice, for example.
@ all the more reason to use a round that doesn't over penetrate...
@ your still responsible if you kill an innocent and you’ll go to prison
Great video. Sticking with 5.56 myself. Doubt I’ll switch until next gen military ammo makes it into the public market.
Pick a calibur and stick with it at ALL lengths. Waking from a dead sleep to grab the wrong mag with the wrong rifle means your dead. I went 300blk in 10inch, 14.5, and 16 inch. Commit lol
I gotta get a longer barrel, my sister husband help me get my 300 blk Shockwave AR
He has the 5.56
I haven't shot it yet but if it is Effective An Sounds like the video is..
I told him I'ma Cry when we goto the Range..
🥹🥹They sound so beautiful
And look beautifully 😍
I'm getting a long barrel 14.5
Devotional lol❤
The AR-15 is so awesome, and a rifle cartridge is SO superior to a handgun -- either one (300 or 556) is going to be FINE for home defense. You can't go wrong with either one. Excellent video and presentation, as usual. This channel is MUCH appreciated.
I been looking for this video for 2 years before I bought my 300 blackout in this year 😭 glad I chose right for home defense!
I have a 300 blackout shorty under my bed. Happy 4th of July- Merica!!!
I just got my 1st 300 AAC Blackout, so now I'm looking at all the videos for it. Your channel is Awesome!
Thanks for watching, we put out a new video every Friday. TR
How do you like it so far? Reasons you picked it over AR10?
No bashing from me...happy that we can still have guns!
We will always have guns. They will have to rip them from our deads hands to take them.
300 is the way to go. It is my primary home defense gun and one for the truck. 223 is cool and I have them but I need something harder hitting. If people are so concerned with over penetration then consider using an alternative to a firearm for defense because that is what bullets do.
I see a lot of people commenting about over penetration and I understand. The one that any ballistic gel doesn't is the result after hitting bones. Just a thought. Still 300blkout for me.
No one wants to get shot with anyting. No one will ever say, I'm not running away because he's not shooting black out. They will run like hell regardless of what you are shooting.
That slow-mo, of the 300bk was the coolest thing I’ve seen, in a while!! The round “pooping out” and hitting the table… the rolling off. The whole thing getting donkey-punched, off of the table. And, the smoke, coming out of the wound cavity. I’m saving this video, just so I can have some cool shit, to watch… when I’m bored.
Been going back and forth on a pistol/ carbine build. Already shoot 5.56 out of a 16" so the guys down the street are covered but I'm looking for a better house/ van gun. Settled on 8.5" in .300. Good info.
Great comparison very interesting.
Give Mike a thank you for for his service.
Happy fourth guys.
Just watched for 2nd time. Mike spoke a TOTAL of 17-19 words in a video nearly 10 mins long. A man of few words, indeed!
Walk softly but carry a big stick.......
@@johns9888 yup
Short barrel length gives 300blk an advantage. Also take into account the ability to not go deaf from firing inside a small room makes it no contest. Edit: short overall length with suppressor attached.
Exactly
@@KarstRats Which is louder between 556 and 300blkout?
I think he meant a) shotrter barrel length more maneuverable in tight quarters and, separately, b) 300 can be loaded subsonic and when suppressed won’t destroy your ears like .223/5.56. That’s how I read it.
@@KarstRats Oh yeah !!!! LOL I dare you to stand next to a 10" AR/5.56 pistol and then stand next to a .300BLK in 10" barrel. You have no experience...obviously.
@@farzana6676 the 5.56 is going to be louder because of velocity. Subsonic rounds arent even a viable option for 5.56
5.56 in 62 grain bonded soft point or 75/77 grain OTM, they get the job done and won’t cost as much as 300 blackout
Agreed..
Quality defensive loads, either 5.56 or .300 will be close to $1 a round.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 I love the 77grain IMI loads and I could pick those up before this Covid19 scare for $.70 a round. The 300 blackout 110 grain loads always seemed to be around $1.35 on sale.But you're right there are other loads in 5.56 that will run the same and more sometimes
Federal 62gr FBIT3 is where it's at.
@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 I bought frontier 75 gr hp in 5.56 for $9 /20 round box. Really similar to the hornady black bullet. The black was $15 /20 round box. Both are accurate. I wouldn't want to take either one of those rounds. I'm still interested in the 300 bo though
My HD rifle is a pinned 14.5 barrel with 5.56mm 64 gr Ranger Bonded. I like 300blk but for me price always kills it. And I train that if I have to shoot, then I’m going to be throwing more then one round at my threat. So I figured while 300 is bigger I think 3-4 rounds at a center mass target will do the trick.
Great Video and thank you for all your knowledge.
I would have never said that Karl would ever say that he is tired of shooting! This guy is using cool fire dry firing in his sleep!!!!!
Just sayin!
I reload 300blk for about $0.39 per round with Nosler Varmageddon 110gr FB Tipped Bullets. In my opinion, that isn't that much more expensive than 556 and it's just such a versatile platform. I have a suppressor and I like having the ability to seamlessly go back and forth between supersonic and subsonic.
Where tf do you find it for that cheap it cost me 70 a round
@@jimkiltz9955 He handloads, he doesn't buy ammunition already made. Making your own ammunition is a lot cheaper. If you cast bullets as well, you can get as little as 5-10 cents per blackout round.
Think either cartridge would be ok, but the short barrel is a home defense advantage, and the 300 seems to be more reliable fired from a short barrel. Very interesting vide....Happy 4th all!
This is really the main difference. 300 blk gets better performance out of a shorter barrel. If you want short and light 300 blk is the way to go. Not just for Home Defense but also for bag carry
The 300 whisper was designed for short barrels, that why they use magnum powder.
I also like the idea of using it as a truck gun. Depending on where you live you may need to use your truck gun on something larger with 4 legs. I think at close range the 300 would be the one to go with for an unfavorable surprise encounter with something angry and furry.
40rnds of Hornady 190gr Blackout in a 10.5" is pretty serious punch in a home invasion scenario
The solution in my opinion, is hollowpoint subsonic 300 blackout out of a 9-10 inch barrel with a can. Won't overpenetrate, quiet, and most importantly, has enough energy at the target to dispense a baddie. Doing the same with a 5.56 would be the ballistic equivalence of shooting a home intruder with .22 short.
it's called MCX Rattler.
I got 300 BLK for home defense, though they're 220 gr subsonics firing out of a 9" barrel with an Omega 300 can. Still, 220 gr is a big ass piece of metal and will do a ton of damage. I've made the right choice for my home.
I have a MK18 suppressed with 55gr Hornady BTHP as my home defense gun, I never got into the 300blk because of the cost and l'm happy with my 5.56's plenty of ammo out there. Good video guys.
Thanks Mike and Karl. Excellent video. Outstanding differences. 👌 I'm keeping my 77gr. 5.56 NATO.
11.5 inches of 5.56 barrel length is when the 77gr all will be better but as soon as your talking about lower barrel lengths the 300blk gives you more energy.
I run 77 grain open tip 5.56 with 16” barrel but my other AR is for home defense, a suppressed 300 BLK with 9” barrel. The best of both.
@@ChilangoDios333a 10.5” 300 blk has about as much energy as a 16” 5.56. A 11.5” 5.56, even with 77 grain will be beat by any 300 blk barrel.
@@Subtlenimbus so like 77gr 7in 5.56 will beat a 7in 110gr 300blk?
Sergeant Major, I am a big 300BLK fan. Have lots of it factory and reloaded. However, I still favor 5.56mm, 77gr MK262 ammunition. If no other reason 5.56mm availability. After seeing the 300BL V-MAX 110 grain round upend that gel block well, all I can do is exclaim "WOW" ! I have NEVER seen a gel block upend like that block did after being hit with the 110gr V-MAX. Amazing. I will be rethinking my mindset from 9mm to 110 gr 300BLK for home defense ! Thanks for this very informative video.
9mm is for EDC
No, you don't need 10,000 rounds to defend your home, but to test, train, and become proficient? I'll stick with 5.56, but I think there's a place for .300AAC too. To each their own.
Really glad you did this because I’ve actually been debating this.
I totally agree bud. But the problem now is everyone in the country is out of 300 bo ammo. I can't find any anywhere. So I just built a x39 pistol. Parts are available as well as ammo. Just something to think about with everything going on. Stay safe.
@@johndel1971able From a standard AR receiver the tapered x39 doesnt always feed as smoothly as the nearly straight walled case body on a 223/5.56. Most x39 ammo comes in two sizes .308 and .311 and depending on the ammo you use you will need to make sure you have the correct sized barrel or accuracy and pressures will vary. Couple that with having to mill out the bolt face a lot more to accommodate the x39 case and you have weakened the bolt considerably which can lead to broken bolts. The 300 BO has none of these short comings and gives very close performance to the x39. Cant find ammo...thats why you reload, then when there is a shortage of ammo, its no problem! Its how I have beat every ammo shortage since Y2K.
The main deciding factor for you is if you are a handloader and bullet caster. If you are not both of those, there is no reason to get 300 blackout. If you want silenced capabilities, just do a SMG/PCC. However if you handload and cast 300 blackout is good as it is the cheapest rifle round you can shoot when you make your own. 5-7 cents for subsonic 10-15 cents for supersonic.
If you always buy factory ammo, stick with 5.56.
Mike needs to do PT, that's an order.
---Your boss, the taxpayer.
Remember, guys! 300 Blk WILL chamber and fire in 5.56 rifles!
If you are going to have both "laying around", be extremely cautious about what round you are loading in that magazine!
300 BLK will not chamber in a 5.56 chamber the bullet is to fat for the 5.56 chamber. Unless you want a gun that is blown up.
@@Lavanuke04 It really will. There are videos of people doing it.
@@NACAM42 the 300 blk is to big for the 5.56 chamber it's to thin for 300 blk. Its like putting a 9mm in a 22lr chamber
@@KarstRats The 200+ grain subsonic loads won't chamber. The lighter loads will chamber just fine.
It can chamber. Depends on neck tension and oal. If there is little neck tension it will push back into the case and actually chamber. It can fire and this has been done. Usually you end up with a badly plugged barrel. Yes you need to be careful if you have 300blk and 556 out at the same time. I never take them both to the range. One or the other.
I have a 5.56 carbine but wanted something a little heavier hitting for home defence and shorter distance engagements. So I also have a 10.5" 300 Blk pistol. I use the same 110 gr Vmax although its getting hard to find. Thanks for the comparison vid. LOL, I don't really care if it's 'scientific' or peer reviewed. Thanks for taking the time to do the vid. You and I went back and forth a while back re 5.56 vs shotgun... since then I've watched a lot of your vids and like 'em a lot. Keep making them. Happy 4th!
"If you can Flavor it....you can Eat it!"
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300 all the way. That’s my bedside “pistol”
Thanks
Welcome
6:42 The dude in the Subaru smokin his vape at a red light.
The 5.56 won, in a house with loved ones and neighbors I don’t want the bullet to keep going I want it to stop 🛑
Agree, the 300BLK seemed to over-penetrate
Precisely what I was thinking. 300bo makes no sense to me based on the results from the video. I want the bullet to stay inside the person, not come out the back and hit my loved ones or tear my house apart
I dont think many home intruders (except feds) are gonna have body armor. Better off going with a sub gun in .45 to avoid over penetration
@@MotoRacer171 A sub gun in .45 will have more overpenetration than anything except buckshot or a slug. Slow + heavy = more overpenetration than light + fast.
I'm pretty sure everything except birdshot will keep going through most of the barriers in your house if you dont hit your target correctly. 5.56 will go through many layers of drywall and insulation. If you care about your backstop being a unintended human, forget which caliber, use 99% of your time to practice shot placement under stress
The closer the threat, the bigger the bullet. Good stuff. Happy 4th!
Good information. Mike was a pleasant addition to the mix. Well done, Mike!
I have worried about the over-penetration of 300 TBH. The last thing I want to happen is hit the bad guy and then have it pass through them and the wall then hit my kid in the next room. I was all set to go 300 for my HD rifle and ultimately chose 5.56 because it seems like it would still get the job done with less penetration (but enough) and is much less expensive to shoot/train with to reach a competent level with the rifle. Plus if SHTF, it seems like it is more plentiful so 9 mm and 5.56/.223 for me.
I went with the 9mm PPC
Johnny I was thinking the same thing too. Any centerfire rifle FMJ cartridge will easily pass through two sheets of drywall and insulation like paper. Lightweight frangible rounds, less so. I’d love to see this channel test drywall at the range and make recommendations.
@@BurnDuration he did a video on that very thing, just can't find it at the moment...
Chris Lucas Personally I’ve come up with another solution;) but I won’t share because I don’t want the guns nor ammo to sell out
I’m stuck on which to pick too. I want .300 Blackout supers for hunting and subs for home defense but was told the only way that would work is to get a 10.5” barrel with a suppressor . That is very expensive though. So I figured I would get a .300 blackout upper for hunting and 5.56 NATO for home defense. Now my issue is noise. If I end up, God forbid, having to shoot 5.56 in the house to protect my family, I am terrified that my wife and son will receive permanent hearing damage. I have heard 5.56 at indoor ranges and I do not want to hurt my family. So now I just remain with 9mm for home defense. Handgun only. Would love a 9mm pistol/sbr type of thing but they are way over my budget. Maybe one of you fellas can held advise me. I appreciate it. The hunting thing is something I am new to and can wait awhile, but the home defense thing is stressing me out. I feel like I need and additional option.
Mike... Congrats on retirement man!!!
Thanks!
I run a 300 blk for home defense and love the hornady 110, but I use the hornady 208 for home defense. Would love to see how that performed. Great video though
I'm late to the .300 Blackout. I bought a complete upper and was dragging my feet, the BATF, changed their minds again, and I got the lower, a few days ago.
I wasn't convinced I need a .300 Blackout, but I'm in it now. It's not going to be a "everyday shooter" ammunition is still too expensive. I very much Luke the fact, the 10-inch barrel is plenty to push the bullet, unlike the 5.56/.223 needing barrel length to get to work. I still have both.
I gave up the .300 blk when I realized the cost of shooting the 223 vs the 300...... The ballistic capabilities were not factored in.
You're not the real Thomas Jefferson. I'm 99% sure.
That and it drops like a rock past 100yds
There's(was) cheapish(0.40/rd) 300blk, but yes cause of the bullet it's prices are closer to .308.
@@ds6872 Depends, from my 8.5" barrel 110 V-max zeroed at 50, is also zeroed at 100 and drops about 3" at 200
@Jim You can never be too sure
Both will do great; 300blkt is what I'd prefer for the option of good subsonic loads due to the grain weight.
What’s weight supersonic
I prefer a 300 BO for the simple reason of running a shorter barrel. 300 Blackout is a much more effective and efficient out of the shorter barrel without all the overpressure blast of the 5.56.
300 blackout is a awesome round,especially out of sbrs for psd and suppressed. Every round has pros and cons. There is no one perfect round for everything,that's why there are so many different rounds. You pick the right tool for the job. Awesome video as always brother,Happy 4th.
Great vid guys! Looks like my grandmother smokin her pallmall non filters back in the 80s’
This guy is hands down the best firearms CZcamsr on the platform. Love the honestly and educational information every single time.
300 BLK has AK ballistics when supersonic, and .45 handgun ballistics when subsonic. Doesn't require changing the gas system, so you can have a mag of supers, a mag of subs, and alternate between them if you need to reach out and touch something vs keep it short and quiet. Pretty amazing versatility, if you ask me.
Agreed
45acp is 230gr at 850fps and 300blk is 220gr at 1050 so it's closer to 44special than it is 45acp... Unless it's +p+ .45acp.
@The Guns N Glory Show for me out of a 8in barrel it's 4in at 50yards and about 14 at 100yards.
@Neil Carpenter Guns N Glory that's why you shoot both and know what they do. Know your holds just like with anything else. Bottom line it is an AK and an MP5 in one gun basically and does the wet work job better than an MP5. Mag swap and hold adjustment are not that hard to do.
Legit thought, and hoped, that gel was gonna stand upright after the shot. Lmao
I'm sure he's a great guy but Mike just needs to turn it down about 8 notches, relax and not talk so much. Yes, his high energy is contagious but let the host of the show control the pace and message. MIKE, CALM DOWN!!
My bad!!
@@michaelfelts6805 Mike!
Hey, relax ! Mike is fine 😶
@@michaelfelts6805 Mike, just having a laugh. I am pretty quiet in front of a camera myself but full of life on the keyboard! Have a great 4th of July!!
Michael Felts Lol Thank you for your service. Enjoy retirement. 👍
I used to run 5.56 but switched to 300 Blk, i wanted a larger bullet that i could suppress and also get excellent results!
To me it isn't 5.56 or Blackout, it is both. They both occupy completely different niches.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj I dunno about that. 223/556 is standard issue by the military because it can do so many things, kinda the opposite of niche, and has many civilian uses shooting 4 yds to 500 yds. The 223/556 speed degrades slowly because it is very aerodynamic. BlackOut however is one of the most niche rifle rounds because it's made for short barrels. And has even more accuracy problems after 150 yards because it travels so slowly, even when super.
@@kalidilerious Who told you blackout has accuracy problems beyond 150 yards? It has the same range as a 7.62x39 AK in a 16" barrel, and if you use the NATO loads (Tac TX monolithic which is really expensive) it has longer range than 7.62x39. Heck, I shoot cast 135 grain bullets out to 400 yards regularly and get 10" groups (paper plate sized).
You might be confusing it with the 147 grain loads which do have a reduced range of only around 500 yards but that's due to the weight. 7.62x39 160 grain loads also have that reduced range as well.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj because I have300 BlackOut. 10" group at 400yds with a 135 grain? Where are you aiming? because the drop off is significant at that range and the bullet slows down losing it's accuracy. The few times I shot passed 200 yds I made huge mil adjustments even with 110 grain and I think I zeroed out at a 100 yds.
@kalidilerious I think the issue is your zero, although I'm using a 16" rifle but a 10" shouldn't be that bad. I zero at 50 yards. At 200 yards I hold on the head for a chest shot. At 400 I hold about 5 mils up.
Regardless of the drop though, your groups should not be opening up that much. Travis haley had a video when it first came out with him using 6" barrel and making hits at 800 yards. He was using the nato loads with the tac-tx though, although you still should be capable of that accuracy with any regular 125grn FMJ.
If you have a chronograph I would get the velocity and then play around with a ballistic calculator to see what your optimal zero distance is.
I sleep soundly, on top of a 300 BLK.
Bought my 300 3 years ago. Loved it so much, built a pistol for a truck gun
@@lbuckl3110 2 pistol builds here, 10" and 6"😎👍
@@45Blackjack I have a 10.5” 300 blackout with sba3 brace for home defense what ammo do you suggest
@@ghosthavoc8741 I reload. I like the Hornady 208gr A-max. I'm shooting pretty close to the "Hornady Black .300 AAC Blackout 208 Gr. A-Max Boat Tail- Subsonic"
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I love Mike. Call sign Sloth.
4:18 gelatin taking its last breath
My only problem with blackout is how light some of the factory stuff is loaded. It is a very versatile round that when loaded correctly is quite effective. The hogs would attest that the 150 Speer Gold Dot that i use is no slouch.
Look at discreet ballistics 188grn selous bullet.
I agree, I have some 'plinking' rounds I buy from Ventura. They are reloaded 147 gr bullets that I feel a significant lack of recoil compared to even just federal 125 gr FMJ loads. But still cycles so cant complain too much
Very true. I noticed that when I was reading off the remington load data. AAC's original data is much hotter, and that is what gained NATO acceptance. From what I have found, you may want to switch from 150grn to a 110-135 grain. I found you get more energy that way, even in shorter barrels.
I'm running 135grn cast bullets at 18grn of H110 for 2118FPS from a 16" barrel giving 1823J
I use Barnes Tac X for serious use which IMO is the absolute best bullet for blackout (but extremely expensive) at 20.6grn of H110 for 2400FPS from 16" barrel.
300 is a great round to reload. there's a youtube channel "Johnny's Reloading Bench" has a great playlist on 300bo.(and a lot of other calibers) 😎👍
From what I've found reloading the past year is that 300 blackout case capacity for powder and bullet is really low which can over charge with heavy weight bullets. The heavy bullets have less recoil but also less powder. If you add too much...boooom. The 110s aren't as long as the 208s 147/ 150s.
The small explosion in the ballistics gel is called the Adiabatic Process.
I thought it was a cool smoke machine
Cool. Had to look that up. Now I know.
@@rockslyde1776 I am looking at a high speed camera that will do 1000 fps at 1080p, then we will get to see that process even better.
@@chadhulsizer Just subbed your channel so I'm ready when you are.
rockslyde1776 Anything I use it for will be right here on Tactical Rifleman.
I have both. My 5.56x45 is a battle piece, carbine length, fixed stock, Vortex optics, fantastic 100-200m weapon, loaded with 55gr vmax.
My 7.62x35 is pistol length, arm brace, flashlight, sound mitigator, with an ACOG. It is my truck and house gun. Will digest 110gr vmax and 220gr subs, and excellent from point blank to 100m...and will actually go out accurately to 300m with holdover.
Frankly, I will use whatever is close, and pay close attention to what is behind my target. Both of these calibers are effective.
That block tumbling ass over tea kettle only aired up my belief in AR Pistol w/ stabilizer and holo with 220gr ballistic tips for home defense
Nobody talks about mossberg during home defense anymore
Cool video! Love watching the effects of different rounds on ballistic gel! I own 556, 762×39, and 300 blackout uppers for my AR's. I use the 300 blackout for anything above varmint size. Definitely a harder hitting round, that has more stopping power!🤜🤛🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thank you for being fair about the gel comparison. Most wouldn't do that. Good man
Thanks for watching!
That 300 Blk Out Turned That Gelatin Into A Fog Machine
I think it’s worth noting what barrel length your 5.56 test gun had. That’s one of the huge differences between the two cartridges is that the ideal barrel length for .300 BLK is 9” whereas you’d need at least 11.5” or 12.5” to get enough velocity for 5.56 and 16” if you want to shoot at any longer ranges effectively. 5.56 fmj was designed to fragment upon impact but only does so reliably above 2,500 fps so a longer barrel is necessary to achieve that. Having a barrel that’s at least 3 inches shorter is definitely an advantage in close quarters like your home. I think beyond that, it’s down to personal preference since in the end, a rifle is a rifle.
Any 5.56 barrel under 16" is sacrilegious
Any 300 Blackout barrel over 12" is sacrilegious
9” is not the ideal length for 300 blk. Velocity keeps increasing even past 16” inches. A 16” 300 blk has over 1400 ftlbs at the muzzle.
Of course Mike is happy w his choice of round!!!
I would be too, if I hated every one around me...
I always thought anything that will go through the bad guy through your walls into the neighbors walls and maybe through his fridge is a bad idea for home defense.😂
Yep, you’re drinking the media coolaid and have never shot a REAL wall.
We have several videos, with various calibers, shooting various walls. You can find them in our video archive. Get an education. Spoiler: the shotgun went through just as many walls as the rifle rounds. Thanks for watching, TR
I just built a 300 bo using mainly Wilson parts and it's amazing. Problem is ammo is non existent right now anywhere. So I also just built a 7.62x39 using kak parts which is also amazing and x39 ammo is still available everywhere. Thanks for the vid sir. Be safe everyone.
Why would anyone shoot a groundhog... Do we never want winter to end?
Dyl Connaway seriously why shoot them?
We shoot them because if we don’t deblasio will body slam and kill them.
@@tonyromano6220 Primary reason is because they are fun, lets be honest. They are small so their bodies blow up nicely when hit. They move fast and are hard to hit, so they are excellent practice, especially off season when you can't hunt other animals.
The original reason though is because they are a very invasive pest. They will tear up your buildings, they steal crops, and of course dig up holes everywhere. If you are a rancher, holes are an issue. You can eat them, but I don't know many who do. There are much better animals to eat if that is the goal, such as deer and squirrel.
Dave Smith ahhhh
Great video for a detailed birds eye view (if you will.) I see a lot of people mentioning 300 BLK is too expensive to shoot. Compared to 5.56 yes, you will be paying more per round but the advantages IMO out weigh the cons. With the ability to get great terminal ballistics out of a 7"-9" barrel, the maneuverability in CQB conditions such as HD, is pivotal. With 2 300 BLK builds myself, I dry fire for countless hours to offset the cost of the rounds. The "price" isnt as bad when you arent sending as many rounds down range and are going to the range for recoil management and refinements of techniques practiced while dry firing.
I highly recommend at least a 300 BLK upper. Give it a try and sell it if you dont like it, you'll be able to offload it quickly in this market. Its a great truck/bed gun and the compact package with terminal ballistics you cant have with 5.56 is its most appealing aspect.
2 years later you can find 300blk a dollar cheaper that 5.56
Great video. Think you made me a 300blk out for my home defense and truck gun. Always trust your advice.
Nice test. I was about to sell a 300 black out upper I put together while I was healing up after knee surgery but seeing it flip that block make me want to hold on to it. Great video karl
good stuff
indeed
Hey nice to see you here Mr. Gunsngear
I think 300 blackout is awesome round for hd. It’s a big round and I’m it’s gonna put a lot of different people in their backs on the first shot. It might not be a laser at longer ranges but my house isn’t 300 yards long.
I can constitantly hit a man sized tagert at 400 yards with my .300 I don't know where this inaccuracy myth came from.
Mike has so much Charisma! He looks like the life of a party and should take over the channel. 😅
First time you were here. I just put together my first AR and I chose to do the 300 blackout so I’ve been trying to educate myself. Thanks for the video I will subscribe seem pretty cool and knowledgeable.
I am with Mike on this...At CQB distances and home defense the 300BLK is an outstanding option as long as you use Ballistic tipped bullets (supersonic) . Great info and comparison.
Karl is about to start going down hill now. He is tired of shooting. Jk😂😂😂
5.56 for me all day long. 300 blackout is awesome too and can be a more specialty round. Nice vid gents.
This is simply all the evidence you need to determine the difference between a .22 and a .30cal. 22 meaning .223/556 and .30 cal meaning 7.62x35. ((.300 blackout)) Wow....this is the best video out here right now.
Lol. That ".22" is travelling a hell of a lot faster than 300 memout and transfers energy a hell of a lot better. You 300BLK fanboys are on a whole different level.
Do you even realize the ft/lbs of energy is generally the same between 300 BO and 556? They use the same cartridge buddy. I mean look at the google images between the two. The BO just isn't magically more powerful just because it's a BO. Come on you guys.
@@asdfghjk2933 Some BO owners know what they're talking about and know exactly why they got one.
But I noticed the 300 BO has a weird following of these guys in their 20's that are wanna be special ops dorks. They just know BO is was used by special ops and that's all they know, so it has to be the best.
@@kalidilerious The energy produced by the 300 blackout at 100 yards is double the energy produced by a 223/5.56 at the same distance.
@@CrazyHyperecords that doesn't sound right. I just went to the federal's ballistic calculator you can just see what ft/lbs at various yards. here's what the manufacturer say.
5.56 55 grain @ 100yds 939 ft/lbs
223 55 grain @ 100yds 1008ft/lbs
BlackOut 120 grain @100yds 863ft/lbs
BlackOut 220grain @100yds 460ft/lbs
I think what you meant was the BO retains it's energy a little better.
There is a lot of misinformation/hype around the 300 BO. I think when people say BlackOut is more powerful it's because they are comparing to the crappiest ammo.