One thing I forgot to cover is if you do the loop too slow. If that's the case you will not have the clone for the 5th lightning and so won't have Lvl3 Buster charged, so the combo will end. If it happens to you you need to go faster next time, but in match you just need to adjust and have a reset prepared for that situation to keep then from resetting completely to neutral and DHCing or hard talking out.
Very comprehensive! One thing I will add is that there is two ways to input jump lightnings/tk lightnings. There's the normal way, hit up then dp. But you can shortcut it with a Q motion. Numpad notation 323693L. Whenever I doubt the lightning loop juggle I revert back to TK's for the sake of consistency.
Thanks for these Sparty. Even if I've been playing the game since it came out, you do a better job of explaining things than most of the other videos I've seen. Others will probably show you how they do things, but they won't go into the detail.
Another classic man, i just started working on these for funsies but i only make it so far as the first otg dive into buster and lightning cuz my finger starts getting tired lol.
Thank you so much for this. I picked up the game a few weeks ago and for the life of me I could not understand what height I needed to release the buster I'm order for the first lightnings to work
Imagine my surprise coming back to MvC3 after 10 years and learning that my preferred team had such sauce. This has been fun to figure out, but I want to share that I've been relearing the controls when I hear the word "Tiger Knee" and I'm like "OHHHHH, YOU CAN TOTALLY TIGER KNEE THE MOVE!" Game changer, I'm going to be even more unstoppable to my group of casuals.
It's funny because sometimes I'll get the charge shot into divekick into lightning consistently but other times I'll accidentally do a divekick or I'll end up doing the wrong lightning
I find when things like that happen, fixing it is down to breaking it down into smaller chunks in training and focusing on those over and over until you're 'refreshed' again on what you're doing. Then run some drills on executing the whole sequence together!
Im practicing the lightning loops and when i releaase buster lightning doesnt come out and often times just a light will come out instead, and I inputting the lightning too fast?
Ah, so you successfully release the buster, but fail to get lightning if I'm reading that correctly? Short version: You probably didn't input the DP correctly. Long version: From my understanding of the game the buffer window at the end of Buster's recovery is 3 frames, so you can input 623L (DP L) 3 frames before you recover from Buster and there's probably a couple of frames after Buster recovers when you can get Lightning and have it combo. So if you are inputting the Lightning correctly you should get Lightning and never just get a light. Only way you should be able to get a light is if you didn't get the 623/DP input right, or if you finished the input and left a gap between the motion's last input and your L button press. Time to go practise getting buster lightning to come out 10 times in a row facing right, then 10 times in a row facing left!
Well my tutorial is probably outdated now! Best tips off me : 1) Personal preference for me after sougemu is jump buster lighting, Normal Jump Lightning, Tiger Knee Lightning, jump buster lightning and repeat. You sacrifice some damage but maintain consistency and you occasionally run out of sougenmu on last rep if youre too slow doing just normal jump lightnings 2) you can end the sougenmu with H Ryuenjin xx Buster Lightning for a little extra meter and damage and also to get your buster charged up a bit more if you did your reps too fast. But that does take some practice. 3) H Dive xx buster Lightning doesnt work on Ammy. You need assists. Rest of the lightning loops mostly work after 4) practice BOTH sides! A lot of people prefer doing the reps on the right side over the left but its important to practice on both sides of the screen!
I haven't got a clue about that one tbh, pad is a mystery to me, and managing charge with macros all over is not something I'm familiar with sorry Puma!
How are you doing M+H to dash and charge buster, but still able to use M attacks and H attacks? I try it and I'm locked out of using those attacks til I let go(I have right bumper as M+H)
Can you point to a timestamp in particular? If I'm dashing with M+H while charging buster then I have L held already. If I have no buster held at all then I can start charging with either of the M or H buttons for the dash, then when I press L I keep hold of that button which frees my M and H buttons up.
What changes about the routing if you do TK lightning for every rep? I find it way more consistent to get the lightning out by TKing it rather than doing normal jump.
@@ReverieSR that's cool, nothing really changes with the route, 3 lightnings, buster lightning, 2 more lightnings, buster lightning xx sougenmu 👍 You just lose out on some damage but do what's good for you!
Any tips on getting the divekick into buster lighting midscreen, I can hit it semi-consistently in the corner but just trying to do the basic bnb midscreen I can really get the divekick to confirm.
Doesn't really work midscreen into lightning, you need to get nearly on top of them, dive kick xx buster, teleport L down, then slight dash into either just S or st.HS. It's hard no doubt, I much prefer having an assist available, or getting a solo corner carry combo that doesn't need to OTG.
@@SpartanThrone Thanks for the response! I'm fairly new to umvc3 is there a good resource for combos? I'm just now trying to pick up zero but don't really know where to start. Not sure what I can do to corner carry / when to use an assist (currently running doom 2nd)
@@ameersher easiest way is to pick Doom's plasma assist and jump, call plasma, dive kick H and then just launch into MMHS As for combos, are you in the main UMvC3 discord?
@@SpartanThrone awesome! I'll try it out just now, I am in the discord but haven't really used it much, a bit overwhelmed tbh. Mainly been looking at the supercombo wiki
@@ameersher if you god to the combos and tech channel that's the perfect place to ask, and honestly people in those channels are really helpful and knowledgeable. I know that when someone asks a question in there that I can answer well I'm more than happy to help! Give it a shot some time!
Hey thanks for this vid as someone who sucks at mvc3, is this divekick M or H it is kind of hard to tell even with the inputs im Just not good at reading them lmao
My buster never doesn’t get anywhere close to level 3 by the time I do the clone super? What could be going wrong ? I’m buffering it as early as possible
@@malikmanautou2960 after the divekick xx buster, lightning xx sougenmu? If you do buster then lightning L, and never let go of the L you pressed for the lightning, you will have L3 buster charged by the time you reach normal jump height after the sougenmu. Be sure not to let go of charge at any point between the lightning and then, even during the super cinematic. If you are having trouble after experimenting, see if you can record a video of it for me!
@@SpartanThronelol I literally figured it out immediately after typing that. held down L after the lighting and used RT to do clones. Appreciate the video and the super quick reply 🙏🏼
As a DBFZ player I mainly only know these combos in numpad notations lol. Does anyone have the inputs for the loops posted with purely numpad notations?
@@antonypistachio5476 that's it yeah. Most of the time it's just gonna be 236H xx Buster release, 623L xx 214MH, but sometimes certain assists like Jam Session have extensions that don't use the 236H because it's so late in the combo that the Buster would whiff if you tried it.
I'm actually not sure any more! I downloaded the Halloween pack that Xeno made, that had one costume per character, so it might be that? Fairly sure it is. Xeno had a separate portfolio where he hosts his work so you might need to Google it, but have a look about nexus mods if you don't find that costume there.
It's from the PC Halloween pack Xeno_tg put together. It comes with a new alt for all 50 chars, most of which are seriously good. Should be able to find it through their twitter: twitter.com/Xeno_TG?t=9-J5joTYhZw66ygri1TxpA&s=09
I'll save you the trouble of a video "Cry on social media that Zero is the best character and there isn't counterplay" Lol for real if you do a video I wouldn't mind watching
One thing I forgot to cover is if you do the loop too slow.
If that's the case you will not have the clone for the 5th lightning and so won't have Lvl3 Buster charged, so the combo will end. If it happens to you you need to go faster next time, but in match you just need to adjust and have a reset prepared for that situation to keep then from resetting completely to neutral and DHCing or hard talking out.
"Hard talking" LUL
@@irae9 3am OS 😉
@@SpartanThrone Imagine using the "late night" OS while showing you're still awake hours later LUL.
@@irae9 I slept and I'm on my way to work now lol
@@SpartanThrone Imagine staying up till 3 AM before a work day LUL
Very comprehensive! One thing I will add is that there is two ways to input jump lightnings/tk lightnings. There's the normal way, hit up then dp. But you can shortcut it with a Q motion. Numpad notation 323693L. Whenever I doubt the lightning loop juggle I revert back to TK's for the sake of consistency.
I love how you explain things Sparty! You don’t cut any corners and go into the nitty gritty.
Thanks for these Sparty. Even if I've been playing the game since it came out, you do a better job of explaining things than most of the other videos I've seen. Others will probably show you how they do things, but they won't go into the detail.
Cheers for saying so!
As it goes, "the devil is in the detail".
Been trying to do this combo since 2020, if i get it this it’s because of you
👀👀👀👀
KEEP ME POSTED
Another classic man, i just started working on these for funsies but i only make it so far as the first otg dive into buster and lightning cuz my finger starts getting tired lol.
Thank you so much for this. I picked up the game a few weeks ago and for the life of me I could not understand what height I needed to release the buster I'm order for the first lightnings to work
Why would you release such cursed knowledge?
Oh yea - Tutorial on coach Steve bnbs, tips & tricks for timing, please!
had to go rewatch FC NYChrisG vs PZ Mihe after this
Haha forgot about Mihe, they came and went in a flash, it was mad!
Nice video dude
Cheers nolife!
Imagine my surprise coming back to MvC3 after 10 years and learning that my preferred team had such sauce.
This has been fun to figure out, but I want to share that I've been relearing the controls when I hear the word "Tiger Knee" and I'm like "OHHHHH, YOU CAN TOTALLY TIGER KNEE THE MOVE!" Game changer, I'm going to be even more unstoppable to my group of casuals.
Give em hell!
It's funny because sometimes I'll get the charge shot into divekick into lightning consistently but other times I'll accidentally do a divekick or I'll end up doing the wrong lightning
I find when things like that happen, fixing it is down to breaking it down into smaller chunks in training and focusing on those over and over until you're 'refreshed' again on what you're doing. Then run some drills on executing the whole sequence together!
@@SpartanThrone Great advice! I'll make sure to try that :)
Thank you
Not a combo, but, I would appreciate a Magneto plink-dash Magnetic Blast tutorial.
Im practicing the lightning loops and when i releaase buster lightning doesnt come out and often times just a light will come out instead, and I inputting the lightning too fast?
Ah, so you successfully release the buster, but fail to get lightning if I'm reading that correctly?
Short version:
You probably didn't input the DP correctly.
Long version:
From my understanding of the game the buffer window at the end of Buster's recovery is 3 frames, so you can input 623L (DP L) 3 frames before you recover from Buster and there's probably a couple of frames after Buster recovers when you can get Lightning and have it combo. So if you are inputting the Lightning correctly you should get Lightning and never just get a light. Only way you should be able to get a light is if you didn't get the 623/DP input right, or if you finished the input and left a gap between the motion's last input and your L button press.
Time to go practise getting buster lightning to come out 10 times in a row facing right, then 10 times in a row facing left!
thank u bro bro!
Well my tutorial is probably outdated now!
Best tips off me :
1) Personal preference for me after sougemu is jump buster lighting, Normal Jump Lightning, Tiger Knee Lightning, jump buster lightning and repeat. You sacrifice some damage but maintain consistency and you occasionally run out of sougenmu on last rep if youre too slow doing just normal jump lightnings
2) you can end the sougenmu with H Ryuenjin xx Buster Lightning for a little extra meter and damage and also to get your buster charged up a bit more if you did your reps too fast. But that does take some practice.
3) H Dive xx buster Lightning doesnt work on Ammy. You need assists. Rest of the lightning loops mostly work after
4) practice BOTH sides! A lot of people prefer doing the reps on the right side over the left but its important to practice on both sides of the screen!
Thanks Sparty! Any tips for playing zeron on pad? Doesnt feel possible since I need both other macros for other things
I haven't got a clue about that one tbh, pad is a mystery to me, and managing charge with macros all over is not something I'm familiar with sorry Puma!
@@SpartanThrone :( ok thank you!
Oh oh got any tips for Soul Fisting!
🤜 🤜 🤛 🤛
How are you doing M+H to dash and charge buster, but still able to use M attacks and H attacks? I try it and I'm locked out of using those attacks til I let go(I have right bumper as M+H)
Can you point to a timestamp in particular?
If I'm dashing with M+H while charging buster then I have L held already. If I have no buster held at all then I can start charging with either of the M or H buttons for the dash, then when I press L I keep hold of that button which frees my M and H buttons up.
What changes about the routing if you do TK lightning for every rep? I find it way more consistent to get the lightning out by TKing it rather than doing normal jump.
@@ReverieSR that's cool, nothing really changes with the route, 3 lightnings, buster lightning, 2 more lightnings, buster lightning xx sougenmu 👍
You just lose out on some damage but do what's good for you!
Any tips on getting the divekick into buster lighting midscreen, I can hit it semi-consistently in the corner but just trying to do the basic bnb midscreen I can really get the divekick to confirm.
Doesn't really work midscreen into lightning, you need to get nearly on top of them, dive kick xx buster, teleport L down, then slight dash into either just S or st.HS.
It's hard no doubt, I much prefer having an assist available, or getting a solo corner carry combo that doesn't need to OTG.
@@SpartanThrone Thanks for the response! I'm fairly new to umvc3 is there a good resource for combos? I'm just now trying to pick up zero but don't really know where to start. Not sure what I can do to corner carry / when to use an assist (currently running doom 2nd)
@@ameersher easiest way is to pick Doom's plasma assist and jump, call plasma, dive kick H and then just launch into MMHS
As for combos, are you in the main UMvC3 discord?
@@SpartanThrone awesome! I'll try it out just now, I am in the discord but haven't really used it much, a bit overwhelmed tbh. Mainly been looking at the supercombo wiki
@@ameersher if you god to the combos and tech channel that's the perfect place to ask, and honestly people in those channels are really helpful and knowledgeable. I know that when someone asks a question in there that I can answer well I'm more than happy to help! Give it a shot some time!
How to do flames of faltine loops next? 🤔 The spacing always gets me.
Sadly that's one that I've learned, but honestly still find tricky/inconsistent with the way I do it, I'm not the best person for those, sorry!
Iirc you need to tipper impact palm and be below the opponent so that flames hits as late as possible
Very nice video! Can you show a version for corner carry? If Im starting the combo from too far I wont get to the corner in time.
Most general Zero tutorials or combo vids will help you there. You can do it solo or assisted, but the method depends on your assist.
@@SpartanThrone thanks!
If my Lightning does not trigger after my lvl3 Buster, I was too quick with the lightning (It doesn't cancel right?)
Yep. If you do it:
Early > lightning doesn't come out
On time > comes out and hits
Late > comes out and whiffs
Hey thanks for this vid as someone who sucks at mvc3, is this divekick M or H it is kind of hard to tell even with the inputs im
Just not good at reading them lmao
Hi sorry for the late reply, which part of the video were you asking about?
@@SpartanThrone The dive kick used to otg. And also should I just neutral jump then do it cause I try forward jump and end up getting 623M/H
@@monkehotdogs2227 yep H divekick for the OTGs, and either neutral jump or jump back to avoid getting jump lightning!
@@SpartanThrone Thanks
My buster never doesn’t get anywhere close to level 3 by the time I do the clone super? What could be going wrong ? I’m buffering it as early as possible
@@malikmanautou2960 after the divekick xx buster, lightning xx sougenmu?
If you do buster then lightning L, and never let go of the L you pressed for the lightning, you will have L3 buster charged by the time you reach normal jump height after the sougenmu.
Be sure not to let go of charge at any point between the lightning and then, even during the super cinematic.
If you are having trouble after experimenting, see if you can record a video of it for me!
@@SpartanThronelol I literally figured it out immediately after typing that. held down L after the lighting and used RT to do clones. Appreciate the video and the super quick reply 🙏🏼
@@malikmanautou2960 hehehe like taking your car to the mechanic shop and it just starts working like normal 😅
Just play Megaman Zero. There básically you are always charging buster or saber While using the other weapon in neutral. So always holding one botton
lol
As a DBFZ player I mainly only know these combos in numpad notations lol. Does anyone have the inputs for the loops posted with purely numpad notations?
So:
[Jump buster, 623L xx 214MH
Jump buster, 623L
Jump 623L
Jump 623L
Jump buster, 623L
Jump 623L
Jump 623L]
Then repeat.
Jump buster, 623L xx 214MH
@@SpartanThrone Oh, surprisingly more simplistic than I thought. Any route into buster DP motion 214MH leads to it? And Buster is just hold L release?
@@antonypistachio5476 that's it yeah.
Most of the time it's just gonna be 236H xx Buster release, 623L xx 214MH, but sometimes certain assists like Jam Session have extensions that don't use the 236H because it's so late in the combo that the Buster would whiff if you tried it.
@@SpartanThrone thank you good sir! it's been hard to find pure numpad notations for a lot of these combos but you were/are extremely helpful
what mod are using for zero?
I'm actually not sure any more! I downloaded the Halloween pack that Xeno made, that had one costume per character, so it might be that? Fairly sure it is. Xeno had a separate portfolio where he hosts his work so you might need to Google it, but have a look about nexus mods if you don't find that costume there.
what zero skin mod is that?
It's from the PC Halloween pack Xeno_tg put together. It comes with a new alt for all 50 chars, most of which are seriously good.
Should be able to find it through their twitter:
twitter.com/Xeno_TG?t=9-J5joTYhZw66ygri1TxpA&s=09
How hard is this to learn on dpad?
Probably the same as stick. Very learnable, just need to break it down into the smaller steps and practise it!
@@SpartanThrone to the lab I go! Thank you!
I'll stick the timestamps in the description tomorrow
I think tk easier honestly I tk online normal jump offline
TK definitely easier than I used to think, however I never learned how to get good damage from TK loops!
@@SpartanThrone normal jump definitely better and more damage but you tk higher to get more damage from them so just tk slow with a slight delay
@@honduran2532 ahh I see, makes sense but also sounds like it comes with its own learning curve for the timing
You have left out how to fight Zero.
Now now, patience young Irae.
Good things come to those who wait.
@@SpartanThrone Where I come from, telling ppl who ask for things to "Be patient" is a nice OS.
I'll save you the trouble of a video
"Cry on social media that Zero is the best character and there isn't counterplay"
Lol for real if you do a video I wouldn't mind watching