Final thoughts on a line-up of high end riflescopes from March Optics, ZCO, Tangent Theta, Schmidt and Bender, Vortex, Kahles, Leupold, Minox and Steiner.
Thanks for the time and effort you put into your reviews. I’ve watched your videos on the high end tactical scopes several times. It’s helped me decide what my next purchase will be. ZCO Is my pick. It will replace my S&B 3-20 Ultra Short on my Cadex Guardian. But I’m still waffling on which one. I guess it will depend on which one is in stock when mid April comes. For my use either will do. I like the idea of the 420 since it’s smaller. And most of my shooting will be at 600 yards or less. But more magnification in the 527 is nice.
I do not have that scope here any more, so I can't really do a live through the scope thing. I am thinking of discussing the merits of a few commonly available precision reticle, so that may be a good time to do some analysis of the MPCT3x. It is a good reticle overall, and it is clearly successful, but it does not work particularly well for the way I shoot. That may be worth a discussion.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Thank you. I can't seem to find out much at all about the S & B 5-45 optical qualities. It would be very good indeed if you could manage such a comparison. Thankyou again &, very informative & realistic comparisons.
@@dukesim6088 There has been a comparison done on the 3-27x56 along with a heap of other top tier scopes. From memory, I think it may have been done by the same guys who do the "What the PRS pro's use" but, I don't think it's that series though. That scope actually didn't rank as highly as I would have thought.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Thankyou. I do enjoy your reviews because you possess a knack for presenting the fine detail about each scope &, since I have no way of obtaining any such information except via reviews, the more information those reviews contain, the better. As I am presently in the market for a tier one scope, I would value your opinion on the S & B ultra bright scopes. Since I use my scopes mainly for night shooting under spotlight, I much prefer 56mm objectives &, a very generous eyepiece. Because I shoot from the confines of a vehicle at night, the exit pupil of a scope becomes a major consideration, as does depth of field with respect to focus adjustment.
What are your thoughts on the NF ATACR F1 5-25 / 7-35 compared to the other high end scopes in your testing? I was also curious how the Gen 2 razor stacked up to the Mark 5 or other scopes in that category. Really enjoy your videos. Currently own a 5-25 PM II DT with the H59
7-35 ATACR is a very nice scope, but since they raised the price I am not sure it is worth it. Unless your S&B gives you trouble for some reason, don't change. Stepping up from that would mean going to Tangent Theta or ZCO or one of the two new March scopes coming out. Between mark 5 and Razor Gen 2, it is kind of a difficult call. I like both, but for different reasons. I probably slightly prefer Mark 5 overall, but I will reserve judgement until the new tree reticle comes out.
ILYA, I’ve been trying to find the “perfect” lighter weight long rage hunting scope for some time now. I like FFP but also have concern with reticle visibility on the low end. I’d like a little more then 15x on the top end or I would’ve already bought the TT 315M or H. I’d like 3x on the low end or I would have already bought the AMG. I haven’t had a chance to look at the March F 3-24x52 this scope seems about perfect my only concern is what I understand is a shallow depth of field and sensitive parallax. I have a 5-25 S&B which leaves me disappointed every time I look at hunting scopes or at least what I’m looking for in a hunting scope as the glass in the S&B has moved my benchmark quite a bit. So my question is considering my criteria what do you think would suit my needs, have really good or close to alpha class glass, and perfect mechanical performance. Scopes I’m considering (if there are others I should consider please advise) March F 3-24x52, Vortex AMG, NX8 3-20 or 4-32. Thanks again for your feedback, really appreciate what you do.
You should really look at March 3-24x52 carefully if you want more than 15x. It is a very good crossover scope. Toward the end of the year, March will have a new 4.5-28x52 scope out that should be a step up with its High Master optical system and wide angle eyepiece.
I just got the pm2 3-20x50 on sale for my hunting rifle and it is superb. Also have the m7xi and it is very capable on driven game as well. If you hunt bigger game I would say the pm2 is a tad better, fov is about 30% better on 3x vs the m7xi 4x. For me the higher mag the m7 gives is only suitable for spotting and the 20x the pm2 gives is sufficient. You generally will shoot between 10-16, higher than this you will easily lose sight of the animal during recoil and cant spot your shot. The thing I would change for the pm2 is give it a daytime bright lighting like the m7xi has, since when shooting driven moose I usually use the lighting. On the msr and msr-2 reticles only the center cross illuminates so it works like a 4x red dot and the reticle does not wash out. Without a light, it will in heavy forest. M7xi with msr-2 cost me 2705€, and the pm2 was on sale for 2490€ with the msr reticle. Normal price was 3150€. For that price, I would rather go with the m7xi with a spuhr isms or hunting mount and get a red dot ontop of the rings. You can get all of that for the price of the pm2 undiscounted and the package will be all around better. Higher mag range and also a real red dot for close shots.
ZCO 5-27, S&B PMII 5-25, or NF Beast? BTW thanks for taking the time to put this series together! I’m just getting into precision shooting, and this has given me a lot to think about.
That really comes down to how you shoot. I'd start by selecting a reticle you like the most. Generally, of these three, I think ZCO is the slightly better scope, but in this price range everything is very good.
minox zp5 was rumored to have the same design/glass of TT 525P. Do you think from your perspective these two scopes are close in terms of image quality?
@@DarkLordOfOptics $850-$1300ish. I had been looking at the toric 4-20, Brownell MPO 3-18, delta titanium 3-24 or delta 2.5-15...any thoughts on those 3 vs each other. Or if you have different recommendations for that set up I am completely open to those. I'm a novice in this arena of SPR/DMR.
@@josiahb55 Generally, you are on the right track. I think PST Gen2 3-15x44 and MPO 3-18x50 should be at the top of your list. If you can stretch your budget a little bit, Element Nexus 5-20x50 is very good. Tract 4-20x50 is quite excellent, although FOV is a little narrow. If you want to keep the weight lower, there are not too many good FFP options although there are some coming later in the year. With SFP, Vortex Razor HD LHT 3-15x42 is very good.
Oh wow !!!! Thank you so much for the great information. This is the very reason I love your reviews is your brutal honesty !!!! I definitely was not planning on purchasing one. I was merely wondering if a 8k scope is really that much better. My son owns a ZCO & a Vortex Gen II Razor. I own a Vortex Viper PST & a Meopta Optika6. Your reticle design for the Meopta ABSOLUTELY sold me. Keep the Outstanding reviews coming.
@@davemufc9 I used the in a few videos and articles, so there may not be a standalone video. Let me dig up some links. Hostorically, I have not been doing a very good job with video descriptions, so I need to go through and some detail. I started taking this CZcams thing a little more seriously only recently. czcams.com/video/8vHJq3wnlt8/video.html&t czcams.com/video/BSWHwcTbQVI/video.html czcams.com/video/QY8ZBO5mHhw/video.html czcams.com/video/XA4WO4q0yh0/video.html opticsthoughts.com/?p=1748
Здравствуйте, подскажите пожалуйста как вы думаете прицел Kahles K525i 5-25x56 будет хорошим выбором или лучше взять Nightforce ATACR 7-35x56 F1 и в чем отличия по механики, стеклам, сетка прицела??
I do not have a russian keyboard on this computer. If translator does not work, let me know and I'l doa video on the subject. Reticles are a personal choice. I think both SKMR and Mil-XT are good reticles. Not my favourite, but perfectly functional. Optically, I think ATACR is a little better. Mechanically, both are very good scopes.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Понял с кем имею честь общаться)) Знаю вы очень хорошо говорите на русском. Ваши ролики по оптики видел но на английском и мне они не понятны)) У меня тоже есть свой канал где я занимаюсь снайпингом. У меня есть два прицела Nightforce NXS 5.5-22x50 и 3.5-15-50 c сетками MLR, так же стрелял с прицелов ATACR 25х F1, F2 и сейчас у друга есть NIGHTFORCE B.E.A.S.T. 5-25X56 F1, Н-59, вижу что стекла хорошие, но они все прицелы габаритные и тяжелые для ходовой охоты не удобны. Вот и думал может один из своих прицелов поменять на NightForce NX8 2.5-20x50 F1 ZeroStop 0.1MRAD, с сеткой Mil-XT, так как я большей части охотник по горам и мне надо компактный прицел. Есть вопрос к этому прицелу будет ли он так хорош?, четко ли работает отстройка от параллакса? Знаю что бывают проблемы не по наслышке. К примеру когда у друга был ATACR 25х F1 у него вертикальная турель была не внятная.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Если вы сделаете обзор прицела и прицелов на русском тогда я сделаю отдельное видео своим зрителям и перенаправлю на ваш канал. Я к прицелу отношусь очень серьезно и считаю ее самой важной частью в винтовке.
Hello, I'm building a 1000 yard competition rifle. It's a extremely accurate rifle capable of 1" groups @1000 yards. I'm looking for a scope that will see through haze and possibly minimize mirage as much as possible. I need to be able to focus on a 1" tall X for bullseye and not cover it up with the retical. I need extremely sharp image. I'm hearing lots of things from many different scopes. What would be your choice. Delta striker 5×50 sounds good but how does it compare? I currently use a 36x Leopold which isnt bad, but mirage is a issue with it and image is just not as clear as it needs to be. Good things about it is the fine retical and light weight. Imagine is sharp enough that I can see the bullseye X on the 4 corners when in the middle. Many shooters are saying that a March isnt as clear of an image as let's say a Nightforce competition, but it's better than a Vortex golden eagle 60x. If you where picking a scope, without completley breaking the bank what would it be? Thank you!!!
Depending on where you live, seeing a 1" X at 1000 yards is really difficult simply because the atmospheric conditions usually do not allow it. If everything else falls into place, the best scope for this type of shooting is indeed March High master 10-60x56. I am not sure who told you that Nightforce Competition is better, but they are wrong. Delta Stryker 5-50x56 is very good and definitely competitive with the Nightforce, but neither is in the same league as March High master. Mirage is a natural phenomenon and it will be there with any scope. The higher the quality of the scope, the better you can see with or without mirage. As far as shooting 1" groups at 1000 yards goes, that would be quite an accomplishment, given that the current world record is a 1.058" group at 1000 yards, set a couple of years ago if I remember correctly.
The record was set by Mike at our shooting range. I purchased the same rifle, that has been proving more and more that sub 2" is available capable. I started with a trainer rifle , that I personally reworked from a factory rpr. I commonly shoot a sub 2" group. That took a great deal of effort, however because of the attention to details it's something that I can do. As for the High master, I've been looking at it, wondering why the mfg discontinued it? What will this mean for a time of repair? I have been looking at many scopes and just cant seem to get in the price range that I'm looking for. I need to keep a budget under or around $2000 maybe $2500 if it's better for the price.
@@joeldubose5762 The High Master scopes have not been discontinued. Not sure where you got that. Quite opposite, March is adding additional models that use the High Master optical system. Either way, if you are looking in the $2k range, High Master scopes are well out of that price range. I'd be looking at Delta 5-50x56 or Sightron SV 10-50x60
When I logged into planet optics, the only place that I can purchase them there's a note attached that the High master scopes are discontinued. I'm guessing that they might be making changes to the scope. If I had to guess its would be in the turrets. Markings from zero stop and where you're at on number of rotations is not good. After your suggestion, I went to make that purchase. The Delta striker and the sightron ssV was another choice that was more budget friendly. However as per your video comparison they both had slight differences that arent perfect. The glass in the Delta sounds like it's better, but your comment about parallax on the sightron is fully noted for shooting paper at 1000 yards. I'm watching your video if I could only have just one as we speak. Maybe it will give further insight into how much I would be giving up by going to one of the two that you just mentioned.
It is not quite as nice as the Tangents of this world, but one of the best precision scopes you can get for the money. It would rank somewhere in the same neighborhood as Mark 5 and Kahles.
Dark Lord Of Optics that’s what I noticed on a sunny day that the optics were a wash between all high end scopes. Things that I could differentiate were eye box and turrets. For 1750 as current price for ebr7c mrad, I could not justify the price of Kahles or s&b. TT was better ergonomically but again it was 2200 more
@@jagmeetsmann as distances and conditions deteriorate, the differences between scopes become quite apparent, but these are all nice designs overall as is the Gen2.
Not a huge fan. Too much variability in quality for me to be able to make conclusions. I used to use them when the competition was less strong, but now I see no reason to look at them.
I have a long history with IOR that does not really need to be rehashed, but it suffices to say that there are several good reasons I no longer look at them.
@@DarkLordOfOptics As a newcomer to the field (and having missed your long history), I would love to hear why? From all the research I have done and other reviews it appears to be solid...? Perhaps we can correspond by email and not wash our laundry in public? P.S. I also love Optics & Whisky! 🥃
@@gloubser in a nutshell, they were inconsistent mechanically, so it was difficult to make recommendations. On top of that, factory support is a little spotty and their US distributor has a complicated reputation.
Hello from Ukraine buddy, I have a problem, I can only lower the turret down at the zero mark, for example, if my zero is not correct and I make a couple of clicks to correct it. and therefore I try to lower the drum in order to shoot at the grid in the future - I cannot do this. I can only lower the turret down at the zero mark, it is very inconvenient when there is no tool at hand
It sounds like you need to reset the zero-stop. It is also possible that auto-translate you are using screwed something up and I misunderstood the question.
@@lidijabacic8348 Riton does not make anything that would compete with the scopes in this video. I have seen them, but havn't done a thorough test. The 7 Conquer 3-18x50 is a fairly well know design and competes well in its price range.
Hi DLo. You mentioned the schmidt pm2 3-20x50 very briefely. If You should choise between the that and the pm2 5-25x56 wich Would You go for. ? And why? I dont like the tunneling on the 5-25. Because i fear that it Would be close to impossible to use on a Hunt. But on the other hand i fear that i lose too much magnification on the Long range if i go with the 3-20. I really hope You Will share your thoughts. Thanks in advance, btw i am danish, but i hope You can read and understand my poor spelling.☺️ Best regards Jakob
This really depends on the application. For hunting, I would definitely lean toward the 3-20x50. For precision shooting, toward the 5-25x56. The magnification difference is not that big of a deal, but the 5-25x56 is a fair bit more forgiving to be behind on higher magnifications and has better image quality overall, especially contrast and depth of field.
Thank you very much for the answer. I went for the 5-25;) i decided that i could Always buy a good , more dedicatet hunting scope later on. Maybe a 3-12 og somerhing like that. For that purpose, do you recommend adjustable parallax for hunting? Og would you go for 100m fixed?
@@vonstjerne That depends on what kind of hunting you do and the scope. Generally, I tend to lean toward simpler scopes for hunting, but if it goes much beyond 10x in magnification, sidefocus is a good thing to have.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Does a short scope like Schmidt Bender ultrashort make depth of field shallower? The shorter the scope the shallower the depth of field? Idon't really know anything about how optics work. Thanks
@@ryaniam22 Generally, shorter scopes tend to have shorter depth of field. However, that can be mitigated by better optical design to a good degree. Within the same product range by the same manufacturer, a shorter scope will generally have shallower depth of field than a longer one on the same magnification. However, when comparing between different brands and very different designs, it can go either way.
Thanks for the time and effort you put into your reviews.
I’ve watched your videos on the high end tactical scopes several times. It’s helped me decide what my next purchase will be. ZCO Is my pick. It will replace my S&B 3-20 Ultra Short on my Cadex Guardian. But I’m still waffling on which one. I guess it will depend on which one is in stock when mid April comes. For my use either will do. I like the idea of the 420 since it’s smaller. And most of my shooting will be at 600 yards or less. But more magnification in the 527 is nice.
Thanks ILya great insights appreciate it
Great info.
Would love to hear a video from you on the MPCT3x reticle.
I do not have that scope here any more, so I can't really do a live through the scope thing. I am thinking of discussing the merits of a few commonly available precision reticle, so that may be a good time to do some analysis of the MPCT3x. It is a good reticle overall, and it is clearly successful, but it does not work particularly well for the way I shoot. That may be worth a discussion.
Great video! Do you feel that the AMG for the money could keep up optically and mechanically with the 56mm scopes for a PRS rifle?
AMG would do quite well on a PRS rifle. The exit pupil difference would be felt a little above 18x or so, but that is largely it.
Good review.
I would very much like to see a comparison betwixt the Tangent 5-25 & the S & B 5-45.
Now that would be very interesting indeed.
I do not have a 5-45x easily available to me. I do have a TT525P, so if the opportunity presents itself, I'll do the comparison.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Thank you.
I can't seem to find out much at all about the S & B 5-45 optical qualities. It would be very good indeed if you could manage such a comparison.
Thankyou again &, very informative & realistic comparisons.
@@rotasaustralis 3-27x56 wouldn't be bad either, as it includes the 5-25 range, too.
@@dukesim6088 There has been a comparison done on the 3-27x56 along with a heap of other top tier scopes. From memory, I think it may have been done by the same guys who do the "What the PRS pro's use" but, I don't think it's that series though. That scope actually didn't rank as highly as I would have thought.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Thankyou. I do enjoy your reviews because you possess a knack for presenting the fine detail about each scope &, since I have no way of obtaining any such information except via reviews, the more information those reviews contain, the better.
As I am presently in the market for a tier one scope, I would value your opinion on the S & B ultra bright scopes. Since I use my scopes mainly for night shooting under spotlight, I much prefer 56mm objectives &, a very generous eyepiece. Because I shoot from the confines of a vehicle at night, the exit pupil of a scope becomes a major consideration, as does depth of field with respect to focus adjustment.
What are your thoughts on the NF ATACR F1 5-25 / 7-35 compared to the other high end scopes in your testing? I was also curious how the Gen 2 razor stacked up to the Mark 5 or other scopes in that category. Really enjoy your videos. Currently own a 5-25 PM II DT with the H59
7-35 ATACR is a very nice scope, but since they raised the price I am not sure it is worth it. Unless your S&B gives you trouble for some reason, don't change. Stepping up from that would mean going to Tangent Theta or ZCO or one of the two new March scopes coming out. Between mark 5 and Razor Gen 2, it is kind of a difficult call. I like both, but for different reasons. I probably slightly prefer Mark 5 overall, but I will reserve judgement until the new tree reticle comes out.
Dark Lord Of Optics thanks for the info!
ILYA, I’ve been trying to find the “perfect” lighter weight long rage hunting scope for some time now. I like FFP but also have concern with reticle visibility on the low end. I’d like a little more then 15x on the top end or I would’ve already bought the TT 315M or H. I’d like 3x on the low end or I would have already bought the AMG. I haven’t had a chance to look at the March F 3-24x52 this scope seems about perfect my only concern is what I understand is a shallow depth of field and sensitive parallax. I have a 5-25 S&B which leaves me disappointed every time I look at hunting scopes or at least what I’m looking for in a hunting scope as the glass in the S&B has moved my benchmark quite a bit.
So my question is considering my criteria what do you think would suit my needs, have really good or close to alpha class glass, and perfect mechanical performance. Scopes I’m considering (if there are others I should consider please advise) March F 3-24x52, Vortex AMG, NX8 3-20 or 4-32. Thanks again for your feedback, really appreciate what you do.
You should really look at March 3-24x52 carefully if you want more than 15x. It is a very good crossover scope. Toward the end of the year, March will have a new 4.5-28x52 scope out that should be a step up with its High Master optical system and wide angle eyepiece.
I just got the pm2 3-20x50 on sale for my hunting rifle and it is superb. Also have the m7xi and it is very capable on driven game as well. If you hunt bigger game I would say the pm2 is a tad better, fov is about 30% better on 3x vs the m7xi 4x. For me the higher mag the m7 gives is only suitable for spotting and the 20x the pm2 gives is sufficient. You generally will shoot between 10-16, higher than this you will easily lose sight of the animal during recoil and cant spot your shot. The thing I would change for the pm2 is give it a daytime bright lighting like the m7xi has, since when shooting driven moose I usually use the lighting. On the msr and msr-2 reticles only the center cross illuminates so it works like a 4x red dot and the reticle does not wash out. Without a light, it will in heavy forest. M7xi with msr-2 cost me 2705€, and the pm2 was on sale for 2490€ with the msr reticle. Normal price was 3150€. For that price, I would rather go with the m7xi with a spuhr isms or hunting mount and get a red dot ontop of the rings. You can get all of that for the price of the pm2 undiscounted and the package will be all around better. Higher mag range and also a real red dot for close shots.
ZCO 5-27, S&B PMII 5-25, or NF Beast?
BTW thanks for taking the time to put this series together! I’m just getting into precision shooting, and this has given me a lot to think about.
That really comes down to how you shoot. I'd start by selecting a reticle you like the most. Generally, of these three, I think ZCO is the slightly better scope, but in this price range everything is very good.
minox zp5 was rumored to have the same design/glass of TT 525P. Do you think from your perspective these two scopes are close in terms of image quality?
They are close, but not the same. ZP5 and TT are somewhat related designs, but TT is a little better.
Is your were building out a 20" AR 15 5.56, what scope and magnification would your recommend? Thinking SPR, max range 500-600 yards.
What’s your price range?
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$850-$1300ish. I had been looking at the toric 4-20, Brownell MPO 3-18, delta titanium 3-24 or delta 2.5-15...any thoughts on those 3 vs each other. Or if you have different recommendations for that set up I am completely open to those. I'm a novice in this arena of SPR/DMR.
@@josiahb55 Generally, you are on the right track. I think PST Gen2 3-15x44 and MPO 3-18x50 should be at the top of your list. If you can stretch your budget a little bit, Element Nexus 5-20x50 is very good. Tract 4-20x50 is quite excellent, although FOV is a little narrow. If you want to keep the weight lower, there are not too many good FFP options although there are some coming later in the year. With SFP, Vortex Razor HD LHT 3-15x42 is very good.
Хороший обзор. Может есть инфа как ИОР Рэкон 4-28х50 и ИОР Рейдер 3-25х56, оба на 40мм трубе, соотносятся к обозреваемым АЛЬФА прицелам?
Никак они к ним не относятся. Алфа прицелы это одно, а румынский геморрой это совершенно другое.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Ну раз такой специалист, так категорично и по хамски отвергает, вердикт, надо заказывать.
What on your thoughts on the Hensoldt ZF 3.5-26X56 ? Have you done any reviews on this scope ?
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Oh wow !!!! Thank you so much for the great information. This is the very reason I love your reviews is your brutal honesty !!!! I definitely was not planning on purchasing one. I was merely wondering if a 8k scope is really that much better. My son owns a ZCO & a Vortex Gen II Razor. I own a Vortex Viper PST & a Meopta Optika6. Your reticle design for the Meopta ABSOLUTELY sold me. Keep the Outstanding reviews coming.
Hi guys , does DLO have a video of the Sig sauer tango 6 or leupold MK5HD cch Ret?
Thanks
I have looked at Gen1 Sig Tango6 3-18x50 and Gen2 4-24x50. With Mark 5HD, the ones I have looked at were with TMR and H59 reticles.
@@DarkLordOfOptics many thanks sir , do you have a link to video
@@davemufc9 I used the in a few videos and articles, so there may not be a standalone video. Let me dig up some links. Hostorically, I have not been doing a very good job with video descriptions, so I need to go through and some detail. I started taking this CZcams thing a little more seriously only recently. czcams.com/video/8vHJq3wnlt8/video.html&t czcams.com/video/BSWHwcTbQVI/video.html czcams.com/video/QY8ZBO5mHhw/video.html czcams.com/video/XA4WO4q0yh0/video.html opticsthoughts.com/?p=1748
Здравствуйте, подскажите пожалуйста как вы думаете прицел Kahles K525i 5-25x56 будет хорошим выбором или лучше взять Nightforce ATACR 7-35x56 F1 и в чем отличия по механики, стеклам, сетка прицела??
I do not have a russian keyboard on this computer. If translator does not work, let me know and I'l doa video on the subject. Reticles are a personal choice. I think both SKMR and Mil-XT are good reticles. Not my favourite, but perfectly functional. Optically, I think ATACR is a little better. Mechanically, both are very good scopes.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Понял с кем имею честь общаться)) Знаю вы очень хорошо говорите на русском. Ваши ролики по оптики видел но на английском и мне они не понятны)) У меня тоже есть свой канал где я занимаюсь снайпингом. У меня есть два прицела Nightforce NXS 5.5-22x50 и 3.5-15-50 c сетками MLR, так же стрелял с прицелов ATACR 25х F1, F2 и сейчас у друга есть NIGHTFORCE B.E.A.S.T. 5-25X56 F1, Н-59, вижу что стекла хорошие, но они все прицелы габаритные и тяжелые для ходовой охоты не удобны. Вот и думал может один из своих прицелов поменять на NightForce NX8 2.5-20x50 F1 ZeroStop 0.1MRAD, с сеткой Mil-XT, так как я большей части охотник по горам и мне надо компактный прицел. Есть вопрос к этому прицелу будет ли он так хорош?, четко ли работает отстройка от параллакса? Знаю что бывают проблемы не по наслышке. К примеру когда у друга был ATACR 25х F1 у него вертикальная турель была не внятная.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Если вы сделаете обзор прицела и прицелов на русском тогда я сделаю отдельное видео своим зрителям и перенаправлю на ваш канал. Я к прицелу отношусь очень серьезно и считаю ее самой важной частью в винтовке.
@@azamatrq7977 I'll put something together.
@@DarkLordOfOptics It will be interesting. Just let me know when there will be such a video.
If money were no object whats your top 3 scopes ?
Would you compare March vs Vortex Razer hd g3 vs ZCO vs Tangent Theta 5-25 ??
If money is no object, get a Tangent. If you are looking for the most performance for the money while staying on the high end, Razor Gen3.
Hello, I'm building a 1000 yard competition rifle. It's a extremely accurate rifle capable of 1" groups @1000 yards. I'm looking for a scope that will see through haze and possibly minimize mirage as much as possible. I need to be able to focus on a 1" tall X for bullseye and not cover it up with the retical. I need extremely sharp image. I'm hearing lots of things from many different scopes. What would be your choice. Delta striker 5×50 sounds good but how does it compare? I currently use a 36x Leopold which isnt bad, but mirage is a issue with it and image is just not as clear as it needs to be. Good things about it is the fine retical and light weight. Imagine is sharp enough that I can see the bullseye X on the 4 corners when in the middle. Many shooters are saying that a March isnt as clear of an image as let's say a Nightforce competition, but it's better than a Vortex golden eagle 60x. If you where picking a scope, without completley breaking the bank what would it be? Thank you!!!
Depending on where you live, seeing a 1" X at 1000 yards is really difficult simply because the atmospheric conditions usually do not allow it. If everything else falls into place, the best scope for this type of shooting is indeed March High master 10-60x56. I am not sure who told you that Nightforce Competition is better, but they are wrong. Delta Stryker 5-50x56 is very good and definitely competitive with the Nightforce, but neither is in the same league as March High master. Mirage is a natural phenomenon and it will be there with any scope. The higher the quality of the scope, the better you can see with or without mirage.
As far as shooting 1" groups at 1000 yards goes, that would be quite an accomplishment, given that the current world record is a 1.058" group at 1000 yards, set a couple of years ago if I remember correctly.
The record was set by Mike at our shooting range. I purchased the same rifle, that has been proving more and more that sub 2" is available capable.
I started with a trainer rifle , that I personally reworked from a factory rpr. I commonly shoot a sub 2" group. That took a great deal of effort, however because of the attention to details it's something that I can do.
As for the High master, I've been looking at it, wondering why the mfg discontinued it? What will this mean for a time of repair? I have been looking at many scopes and just cant seem to get in the price range that I'm looking for. I need to keep a budget under or around $2000 maybe $2500 if it's better for the price.
Thank you for you advice in advance. I really value your opinion. I can tell a professional when I see one.
@@joeldubose5762 The High Master scopes have not been discontinued. Not sure where you got that. Quite opposite, March is adding additional models that use the High Master optical system. Either way, if you are looking in the $2k range, High Master scopes are well out of that price range. I'd be looking at Delta 5-50x56 or Sightron SV 10-50x60
When I logged into planet optics, the only place that I can purchase them there's a note attached that the High master scopes are discontinued. I'm guessing that they might be making changes to the scope. If I had to guess its would be in the turrets. Markings from zero stop and where you're at on number of rotations is not good. After your suggestion, I went to make that purchase. The Delta striker and the sightron ssV was another choice that was more budget friendly. However as per your video comparison they both had slight differences that arent perfect. The glass in the Delta sounds like it's better, but your comment about parallax on the sightron is fully noted for shooting paper at 1000 yards. I'm watching your video if I could only have just one as we speak. Maybe it will give further insight into how much I would be giving up by going to one of the two that you just mentioned.
If we had to include razor gen 2 4.5-27x56. Where will it fit?
It is not quite as nice as the Tangents of this world, but one of the best precision scopes you can get for the money. It would rank somewhere in the same neighborhood as Mark 5 and Kahles.
Dark Lord Of Optics that’s what I noticed on a sunny day that the optics were a wash between all high end scopes. Things that I could differentiate were eye box and turrets. For 1750 as current price for ebr7c mrad, I could not justify the price of Kahles or s&b. TT was better ergonomically but again it was 2200 more
@@jagmeetsmann as distances and conditions deteriorate, the differences between scopes become quite apparent, but these are all nice designs overall as is the Gen2.
Do you have a review on the Steiner tx5i 3-15x50?
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@@DarkLordOfOptics Much Appreciated and Merry Christmas
Take on IOR? Thanks.
Not a huge fan. Too much variability in quality for me to be able to make conclusions. I used to use them when the competition was less strong, but now I see no reason to look at them.
What about the IOR Valdada 5.8-40x56?? In my opinion this is a gross omission on your behalf!
I have a long history with IOR that does not really need to be rehashed, but it suffices to say that there are several good reasons I no longer look at them.
@@DarkLordOfOptics As a newcomer to the field (and having missed your long history), I would love to hear why? From all the research I have done and other reviews it appears to be solid...? Perhaps we can correspond by email and not wash our laundry in public? P.S. I also love Optics & Whisky! 🥃
@@gloubser in a nutshell, they were inconsistent mechanically, so it was difficult to make recommendations. On top of that, factory support is a little spotty and their US distributor has a complicated reputation.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Many thanks for your prompt reply, point taken and not worth the risk at that price point.
Hello from Ukraine
buddy, I have a problem, I can only lower the turret down at the zero mark, for example, if my zero is not correct and I make a couple of clicks to correct it. and therefore I try to lower the drum in order to shoot at the grid in the future - I cannot do this. I can only lower the turret down at the zero mark, it is very inconvenient when there is no tool at hand
It sounds like you need to reset the zero-stop. It is also possible that auto-translate you are using screwed something up and I misunderstood the question.
Damn that m7xi with sand color would look great on my rifle, send it to me =D steiner doesnt have to know
You seen the ceracoted ZCO cstactical did? Awesome.
Steiner knows where I live. Besides, if you get M7Xi, get one with IFS. It kicks ass.
No US optics?
US Optics was going through a transition, so I held off on looking at them for that test. I just kicked off a test of the new FDN17x though.
Dark Lord Of Optics their st-10 is the world’s best based on top reviewers on CZcams. Please post your review of the new 17x
No US OPTICS?
They were on a hiatus of a sort when that video was done
@@DarkLordOfOptics Do you think their latest 5-25x competitive in this segment?
@@jn3750 Probably, but it is hard to say since I have not seen that one.
meotac from meopta?
I have not tested it
@@DarkLordOfOptics how about riton?
@@lidijabacic8348 Riton does not make anything that would compete with the scopes in this video. I have seen them, but havn't done a thorough test. The 7 Conquer 3-18x50 is a fairly well know design and competes well in its price range.
@@DarkLordOfOptics bushnell elite tactical xrs2?
@@lidijabacic8348 it is a decent scope
Hi DLo. You mentioned the schmidt pm2 3-20x50 very briefely. If You should choise between the that and the pm2 5-25x56 wich Would You go for. ? And why? I dont like the tunneling on the 5-25. Because i fear that it Would be close to impossible to use on a Hunt. But on the other hand i fear that i lose too much magnification on the Long range if i go with the 3-20. I really hope You Will share your thoughts. Thanks in advance, btw i am danish, but i hope You can read and understand my poor spelling.☺️
Best regards Jakob
This really depends on the application. For hunting, I would definitely lean toward the 3-20x50. For precision shooting, toward the 5-25x56. The magnification difference is not that big of a deal, but the 5-25x56 is a fair bit more forgiving to be behind on higher magnifications and has better image quality overall, especially contrast and depth of field.
Thank you very much for the answer. I went for the 5-25;) i decided that i could Always buy a good , more dedicatet hunting scope later on. Maybe a 3-12 og somerhing like that. For that purpose, do you recommend adjustable parallax for hunting? Og would you go for 100m fixed?
@@vonstjerne That depends on what kind of hunting you do and the scope. Generally, I tend to lean toward simpler scopes for hunting, but if it goes much beyond 10x in magnification, sidefocus is a good thing to have.
@@DarkLordOfOptics Does a short scope like Schmidt Bender ultrashort make depth of field shallower? The shorter the scope the shallower the depth of field? Idon't really know anything about how optics work. Thanks
@@ryaniam22 Generally, shorter scopes tend to have shorter depth of field. However, that can be mitigated by better optical design to a good degree. Within the same product range by the same manufacturer, a shorter scope will generally have shallower depth of field than a longer one on the same magnification. However, when comparing between different brands and very different designs, it can go either way.