Great great scope review! I really like your style of reviewing those scope! I can feel that you’re reviewing them after you had some experience with them and you had good experience with different scopes to compare them. Very helpful! Talking back to the scopes, I thinks the premier which turns to Tangent Theta from Canada should join this comparison. They three made the top tier scope in the market both on price and quality. TT definitely advance in their tooless zero system and it come with all the accessory you need, especially the tenabraex scope cap. A set of tenabraex cap is what I always have to buy every time I got a new scope.
Also, take a good look at the March 5-42x56. They are a benchrest class scope with every gadget you ever want and some of the best glass available. They also come with the best scope cap design. It folds flat at the front and the rear. They are a 34mm scope tube and have just as much travel (they are rated for 40MIL, but it's suggested to keep it to 30MIL). I had a lot of the previous gen March 5-40x56 and they were awesome, but limited in some areas (turret design). The Gen 2 of that scope addresses those issues and the 5-42x56 attempts to put the best glass available.
Hey, you need to take a good look at the S&B 5-25x56 PMII with the MTC Locking Turrets. It doesn't solve your issue with the illumination dial, but the turrets are awesome. I have 5 of them. That's how much I love them. Also, all the discussion about the forgiving nature of the S&B is one of the main reasons I love them so much. I can use the Parallax knob as a range finder in most circumstances. But really, the MTC/LT/DT turrets are the solution you are looking for in S&B. They really are that good. I'd also look at the Spuhr ISMS one piece base. There is absolutely nothing better. The return to zero is dead on. BTW, your explanations are just fine.
I do the same thing when it comes to running one scope on several guns....for elr (to me) I run a nightforce atacr in era tac quick release adjustable rings..... Look into them ...I used rings with a torque wrench for years...mainly cause I didn't trust quick release rings for zero.... These eratac rings hold their zero with the flick of the release tabs go from gun to gun.....I remove the scope lots....and in never shifts....I write down the zeros of my guns on the scope caps and it's on. Nice review 👌.
S&B PMII illumination is made to be used with rear mounted light intensifying equipment, that is why it looks faint to the naked eye in daylight, and for some reason they still make them that way.
Good job ol friend…what’s damn near as sought after out here in eastern Ky is that pristine 300 honda…I have seen several hundred get absolutely hammered and fire up every time and just keep goin…how’s the ior valdatta fit in with these 2?..I’m doin my research and Savin for the best optic for my 6.5prc waypoint…kahles is in the mix along with march…my eyes are real bad and I just wanna be able to see…thanks brother….matt
Nice review of these tactical scopes, thanks. The ZCO received several more "advantages" than the S&B. However, the lack of rubber on the eyepiece is a big concern. Selection of a rifle scope boils down to having to make some compromises, and which factors are more important than others for your specific purpose. You didn't mention weight, and you didn't mention price (although you did reference both were in the $3k range). Your analysis made me want to take a look at the Kahles due to the reticle illumination.
@@quarterminutemagnums Agreed. Not to offend. Your analysis is spot on. However, the essence of your art (rifle builds) is a mix of LR, or ELR shooting and hunting. I suspect you would recommend a scope to fit the client's main purpose. EG - S&B 10x42 Klassik for light weight hunting, or similar. Chicken parts is chicken parts.
Do either of these scopes have issues with returning to zero? I’ve never seen a scope that tracks better across the adjustment range than a ZCO or S&B.
Hello from Ukraine buddy, I have a problem, I can only lower the turret down at the zero mark, for example, if my zero is not correct and I make a couple of clicks to correct it. and therefore I try to lower the drum in order to shoot at the grid in the future - I cannot do this. I can only lower the turret down at the zero mark, it is very inconvenient when there is no tool at hand
The only reason to have a big tube is for more adjustment range, not any optical advantages. Also its no secret that the parallax problem in zco scopes is a flaw with the scope design.
Great great scope review! I really like your style of reviewing those scope! I can feel that you’re reviewing them after you had some experience with them and you had good experience with different scopes to compare them. Very helpful! Talking back to the scopes, I thinks the premier which turns to Tangent Theta from Canada should join this comparison. They three made the top tier scope in the market both on price and quality. TT definitely advance in their tooless zero system and it come with all the accessory you need, especially the tenabraex scope cap. A set of tenabraex cap is what I always have to buy every time I got a new scope.
Dear Sir - good points........thanks.
Turn the turrets!!! They return to zero just fine 🙂 great video thank you
Dear Sir - thanks.
Also, take a good look at the March 5-42x56. They are a benchrest class scope with every gadget you ever want and some of the best glass available. They also come with the best scope cap design. It folds flat at the front and the rear. They are a 34mm scope tube and have just as much travel (they are rated for 40MIL, but it's suggested to keep it to 30MIL).
I had a lot of the previous gen March 5-40x56 and they were awesome, but limited in some areas (turret design). The Gen 2 of that scope addresses those issues and the 5-42x56 attempts to put the best glass available.
Dear Sir - Thanks for the information; I have not tried any March products to date but have heard positive things. Thanks........
Hey, you need to take a good look at the S&B 5-25x56 PMII with the MTC Locking Turrets. It doesn't solve your issue with the illumination dial, but the turrets are awesome. I have 5 of them. That's how much I love them. Also, all the discussion about the forgiving nature of the S&B is one of the main reasons I love them so much. I can use the Parallax knob as a range finder in most circumstances.
But really, the MTC/LT/DT turrets are the solution you are looking for in S&B. They really are that good.
I'd also look at the Spuhr ISMS one piece base. There is absolutely nothing better. The return to zero is dead on.
BTW, your explanations are just fine.
Dear Sir - agreed. I have owned and mounted many of them. One of the best scopes EVER ! Thanks..........
I do the same thing when it comes to running one scope on several guns....for elr (to me) I run a nightforce atacr in era tac quick release adjustable rings.....
Look into them ...I used rings with a torque wrench for years...mainly cause I didn't trust quick release rings for zero....
These eratac rings hold their zero with the flick of the release tabs go from gun to gun.....I remove the scope lots....and in never shifts....I write down the zeros of my guns on the scope caps and it's on.
Nice review 👌.
Dear Sir - thanks for the information.
S&B PMII illumination is made to be used with rear mounted light intensifying equipment, that is why it looks faint to the naked eye in daylight, and for some reason they still make them that way.
Dear Sir - thank you.
Very well done. Loved his sense of humor at first
Dear sir - actually, I really like playing with puppets - just like the people running Joe B__en...........thanks.
Good job ol friend…what’s damn near as sought after out here in eastern Ky is that pristine 300 honda…I have seen several hundred get absolutely hammered and fire up every time and just keep goin…how’s the ior valdatta fit in with these 2?..I’m doin my research and Savin for the best optic for my 6.5prc waypoint…kahles is in the mix along with march…my eyes are real bad and I just wanna be able to see…thanks brother….matt
Dear Sir - all the top end scopes are awesome - you need to look through them to decide which is best for you. Thanks................
Nice review of these tactical scopes, thanks. The ZCO received several more "advantages" than the S&B. However, the lack of rubber on the eyepiece is a big concern. Selection of a rifle scope boils down to having to make some compromises, and which factors are more important than others for your specific purpose. You didn't mention weight, and you didn't mention price (although you did reference both were in the $3k range). Your analysis made me want to take a look at the Kahles due to the reticle illumination.
Dear Sir - all of the high-end scopes are quality items............thanks.
@@quarterminutemagnums Agreed. Not to offend. Your analysis is spot on. However, the essence of your art (rifle builds) is a mix of LR, or ELR shooting and hunting. I suspect you would recommend a scope to fit the client's main purpose. EG - S&B 10x42 Klassik for light weight hunting, or similar. Chicken parts is chicken parts.
Great review. Thank you! However, the point of spending $4K on an optic is to be able to turn those turrets and it return exactly back to zero.
Dear Sir.......thanks.
Do either of these scopes have issues with returning to zero? I’ve never seen a scope that tracks better across the adjustment range than a ZCO or S&B.
@@nocturnalguy4773 Dear Sir - The Kahles tracks well too............thanks.
Can the S&B be used on a left hand action or will there be interference between the bolt and the illumination knob/turret?
Dear Sir - depends on the rings, bolt knob, etc.......you never know until you try it. Thanks.
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AT WHAT MAG DO YOU TYPICALLY SHOOT GROUPS...@100, 2, 3, 4, ECT
Dear Sir - highest magnification the conditions will permit.
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Hello from Ukraine
buddy, I have a problem, I can only lower the turret down at the zero mark, for example, if my zero is not correct and I make a couple of clicks to correct it. and therefore I try to lower the drum in order to shoot at the grid in the future - I cannot do this. I can only lower the turret down at the zero mark, it is very inconvenient when there is no tool at hand
Dear Sir - would help if I could. But, do not understand the problem and do not know a solution. Contact ZCO. Sorry.
The only reason to have a big tube is for more adjustment range, not any optical advantages. Also its no secret that the parallax problem in zco scopes is a flaw with the scope design.
Dear Sir - thank you.
You said you don't want to turn the elevation turrets. They have zero stops so just turn it back to zero
Dear Sir - the more experience you have, the less you trust anything. Thanks.
Why are you afraid to turn the turret if they're sighted in? If they won't come back to zero theyre not worth anything.
Dear Sir - the more experience you have, the less you trust anything. Thanks.