Great video and interesting topic Nils! I totally agree that there is no point using big gear in higher winds when you can ride both faster and more comfortable on smaller gear. But as a relatively big guy (96 kgs) I have experienced that big boards can be a lot more rewarding to use when conditions are not so good/ wind is up/ down/ variable and gusty. Before I started foiling my favorite slalom combo was a Falcon 138 (2015) with a Loft RacingBlade 7,8. This combo simply gave me a lot more time flying on the fin than using the medium board (a Ray 111 for me at that time) for the same sail under similar conditions, like a typical professional rider may have preferred. I never experienced any control issues with the Falcon 138 with this combo, and to be honest - I often regret that I sold the board (and the beautiful fins I used with it). I would really recommend the combo - a big modern slalom board and medium sized rig - in gusty conditions. They are much easier to control than most windsurfers think. But sailing beyond 40 knots on them is really pointless, unless you accidentally end up doing it if you get surprised by a sudden gust or something... :-)
I did 40knots...and then I woke up :/ I really hope to achieve 35knots on my Manta 71cm. But it's gonna be a hard one to achieve for me. Great video again with detailed explanation and reasoning behind set-ups.
Really interesting insights from an expert! One minor thing though: can you stop that annoying humming in the background? Even some cheap RØDE NT1 from Thomann would be a big improvement.
According to the GPS speedsurfing site, that board Edwin Harteveld uses has the details: Brandname Van den Berg Length 244 Width 70 Volume 115 Production Year 2016. The spot Grevelingenmeer - Herkingen - Have you seen videos from there? There is a very low wall in the sea and the water is incredibly flat there.
at speeds of 35+ kn aero drag becomes a big factor. So while the board is hardly touching the water and reducing drag it is catching the wind and causing aero drag. Same goes for the big sails.
Nice video. Not so big riders such as Malte Reuscher are using an 80cm wide board as a big board. Considering your weight, and supposing you're using boards from the same year, what do you think it'd be faster? An 80cm or an 85? 🤔
I saw a picture of Matteo Iachino doing close to 36 on choppy water, i would assume most PWA guys can push it to 35-38 knots in good conditions... in Race I think most PWA riders go around 28-30 average, maybe 32-34 top 🤷♂️
Ja passt ich bastel auch gerade dran Max Speed mit Isonic 137 und 8,4 Warp 2019 knapp bei 68km/h hatte aber im Gefühl da muss noch mehr gehen... das Board taumelte leicht... ich finde das Thema super Spannend, hier zeigt sich wie Breitbandig der große Stuff sein kann...
Garda hinten in der Bucht gegenüber Riva del Garda Jachthafen topfglatte Oberfläche keine Ahnung bei was fürn Wind Grundwind bei ca. 20 Knoten aber es müssen dort morgens mehr gewesen sein da der Wind sich dort nochmal kanalisiert, ich wollte eigentlich schon runter habe das sozusagen auf der Heimfahrt mitgenommen war eben eine Spitze, das besondere ich habe mein 2019 Warp ist aber mit den ICams ausgestattet, damit bekomme ich ein optimalen Trimm hin🤓
Gemessen mit Fenix 3 also plus minus 4km/h Achso 46er Ss2 Huricane aber mach mal ist echt interessant...naja auf 200m und 500m sieht das schon anders aus, bei war das vom Gefühl so gleich machst Peng Board kanntet falsch und voll Crash habe draufgehalten und meinem Isonic vertraut... is schon ein seltsames Gefühl 🏄🏼 Achso mein Kampfgewicht 90kg
Gut gesagt! Leider geht es immer nur um top(end)speed. Da sind schwere Surfer immer im Vorteil. Mich würde es intressieren was möglich ist bei nur 10 Knoten Wind. Hab jetzt auch großes Zeug gekauft. Bin gespannt. Freue mich jetzt schon (78 kg). 🤙
On a downwind you can take a smaller fin and it still holds, but i think around 30cm and smaller on the big one will not work anymore, the board is just much to wide in the tail and the piwer on the fin to high for a smaller fin to hold a 85 wide board...
@@WindsurfingNils I remebered Craig Spottiswood wrote about this when taking an 82 cm wide mistral and a 23 cm asy fin with an 5.4 sail. his speeds were impressive with such a wide board: Mistral 137L 82wide Slalom, Doppler:- peak 42.5, 2sec 42.48, 10sec 41.07, 5x10 38.82. Source: gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2012-09-08&team=16
Provides a good example for your opinion that the wider boards doen't actually create a lot of drag and the fin probably contributes more drag. On GPS speedsurfing Graig posted the same story but actualy went faster (obviously) after changing to a speedboard. www.gps-speedsurfing.com/?mnu=user&val=107147&uid=831 No way to verify but I would think that Graig is to be believed and others present will testify when asked.
Cheaters all over the place. First Nico Prien without a wooden boom on his old school windsurfer and now world class slalom racers posing on Instagram speeding by car in a village? Come on where is the real windsurfing action gone?
Just look at all the Strava times. People are riding with eBikes, Motorbikes.. Virtual speed events using a simple measuring device make no sense since people are cheating. Unless e.g. a standardized drone would record footage and measure the attempt.
Thanks for the shoutout buddy! 🤙🏼
Great video and interesting topic Nils! I totally agree that there is no point using big gear in higher winds when you can ride both faster and more comfortable on smaller gear. But as a relatively big guy (96 kgs) I have experienced that big boards can be a lot more rewarding to use when conditions are not so good/ wind is up/ down/ variable and gusty. Before I started foiling my favorite slalom combo was a Falcon 138 (2015) with a Loft RacingBlade 7,8. This combo simply gave me a lot more time flying on the fin than using the medium board (a Ray 111 for me at that time) for the same sail under similar conditions, like a typical professional rider may have preferred. I never experienced any control issues with the Falcon 138 with this combo, and to be honest - I often regret that I sold the board (and the beautiful fins I used with it). I would really recommend the combo - a big modern slalom board and medium sized rig - in gusty conditions. They are much easier to control than most windsurfers think. But sailing beyond 40 knots on them is really pointless, unless you accidentally end up doing it if you get surprised by a sudden gust or something... :-)
I did 40knots...and then I woke up :/ I really hope to achieve 35knots on my Manta 71cm. But it's gonna be a hard one to achieve for me. Great video again with detailed explanation and reasoning behind set-ups.
go for it, I'm also pushing for 40 on my Falco 115 (71,5 wide), I'm at 39,8 at the moment :D
Thank you for this informations about the surfgear. It was very interesting. 🤙🏼
Your video’s are great I love watching it 🤙 thanks
Even the pigeon shouts - shame! shame! 1:38 LOL Good explanation and sick speeds with such big gear
Thanks Den
Sounds like Gunnar eats too many chips? French fries)🤔🤣
ahhh da isser wieder
i got whit my 140 fanatic falcoon and 8.4 on 51 kmh im 60 kg and this was so crazy xD
Really interesting insights from an expert! One minor thing though: can you stop that annoying humming in the background? Even some cheap RØDE NT1 from Thomann would be a big improvement.
Great again Nils!
Thanks 😉
Ed is a Beast
Depends from wind, angle and water state!
According to the GPS speedsurfing site, that board Edwin Harteveld uses has the details:
Brandname Van den Berg
Length 244
Width 70
Volume 115
Production Year 2016.
The spot Grevelingenmeer - Herkingen - Have you seen videos from there? There is a very low wall in the sea and the water is incredibly flat there.
Thanks, yea, i thought i remembered it was a smaller board, still great speed! I've been to Herkingen maybe 4-5 times 😉
WOW!! Didn't know people where cheating like That!!! jetskis?? Why?? I cant understand!! Great vídeo as usual!! 👏👏🔥🔥🚀🚀
I don't know what some people get from posting fake speeds to social media 🤷♂️
Sehr nice!
Gute Fahrt! 😉
at speeds of 35+ kn aero drag becomes a big factor. So while the board is hardly touching the water and reducing drag it is catching the wind and causing aero drag. Same goes for the big sails.
Interessantes Video! Viel Spaß dir noch in Spanien✌🏽
Danke Alex, bis bald am Möhnesee 😉
Hi Nils, macht es auch bei einem Gewicht von 75kg schon Sinn ein 85er Leichtwind Board zu nutzen? Oder eher in Richtung 77er? Danke!
Nice video. Not so big riders such as Malte Reuscher are using an 80cm wide board as a big board. Considering your weight, and supposing you're using boards from the same year, what do you think it'd be faster? An 80cm or an 85? 🤔
Nice one Nils . Do yo know what speeds the PWA guys are doing when they race?
I saw a picture of Matteo Iachino doing close to 36 on choppy water, i would assume most PWA guys can push it to 35-38 knots in good conditions... in Race I think most PWA riders go around 28-30 average, maybe 32-34 top 🤷♂️
@@WindsurfingNils 👍🏻
So if there is a big difference in boards in speed and shape, what is your update on sails , wave and slalom in older and newer sails
Ich denke auch: Um schnell auf großem Zeugs zu sein brauchen alle die ich kenne auch echt viel Wind.....aber 40 Sachen muss man erst mal gehen....!!!!
40 ist schon ne hausnummer...
Ja passt ich bastel auch gerade dran Max Speed mit Isonic 137 und 8,4 Warp 2019 knapp bei 68km/h hatte aber im Gefühl da muss noch mehr gehen... das Board taumelte leicht... ich finde das Thema super Spannend, hier zeigt sich wie Breitbandig der große Stuff sein kann...
68 ist schon echt krass! Wo bist du den speed gefahren?
Garda hinten in der Bucht gegenüber Riva del Garda Jachthafen topfglatte Oberfläche keine Ahnung bei was fürn Wind Grundwind bei ca. 20 Knoten aber es müssen dort morgens mehr gewesen sein da der Wind sich dort nochmal kanalisiert, ich wollte eigentlich schon runter habe das sozusagen auf der Heimfahrt mitgenommen war eben eine Spitze, das besondere ich habe mein 2019
Warp ist aber mit den ICams ausgestattet, damit bekomme ich ein optimalen Trimm hin🤓
Ist halt nen großer Bagersee der Garda für mich 🤣
Gemessen mit Fenix 3 also plus minus 4km/h Achso 46er Ss2 Huricane aber mach mal ist echt interessant...naja auf 200m und 500m sieht das schon anders aus, bei war das vom Gefühl so gleich machst Peng Board kanntet falsch und voll Crash habe draufgehalten und meinem Isonic vertraut... is schon ein seltsames Gefühl 🏄🏼 Achso mein Kampfgewicht 90kg
I did 35 at a speed spot on a Magic Ride 104 68cm with a 15 year old 5.0 wave sail. I thought I was going to die.
Nils, do you think cam sails are faster than non cams sails (given both are the same size)?
Yes for sure! Better profile and more stable
Gut gesagt! Leider geht es immer nur um top(end)speed. Da sind schwere Surfer immer im Vorteil. Mich würde es intressieren was möglich ist bei nur 10 Knoten Wind. Hab jetzt auch großes Zeug gekauft. Bin gespannt. Freue mich jetzt schon (78 kg). 🤙
Bei 10 knoten ist foil unschlagbar, das kommt dann schon auf 22-25knoten... slalomzeug ist da bei 10 knoten wind unterlegen...
@@WindsurfingNils hast Recht aber nicht wo es nur 50 cm tief ist mit Seegras (Veluwemeer, Strand Horst)! Foilen unmöglich. LOL!
Nice video! how much difference does weight and height make for equipment choice
It makes all the difference, maybe even more on the trim then on the choice of the gear, since there is no special gear for lighter riders...
Jetski?? Who haha
I like your Englisch
Why not try a speed fin on a slalom board for your next video?
Well, if you want to see me spinout for 30mins I'll do it 😅
@@WindsurfingNils On a down wind course, using the same sail and fin you would for speed sailing, just a wider board.
On a downwind you can take a smaller fin and it still holds, but i think around 30cm and smaller on the big one will not work anymore, the board is just much to wide in the tail and the piwer on the fin to high for a smaller fin to hold a 85 wide board...
@@WindsurfingNils I remebered Craig Spottiswood wrote about this when taking an 82 cm wide mistral and a 23 cm asy fin with an 5.4 sail.
his speeds were impressive with such a wide board:
Mistral 137L 82wide Slalom, Doppler:- peak 42.5, 2sec 42.48, 10sec 41.07, 5x10 38.82.
Source: gpsteamchallenge.com.au/sailor_session/show?date=2012-09-08&team=16
Provides a good example for your opinion that the wider boards doen't actually create a lot of drag and the fin probably contributes more drag.
On GPS speedsurfing Graig posted the same story but actualy went faster (obviously) after changing to a speedboard. www.gps-speedsurfing.com/?mnu=user&val=107147&uid=831
No way to verify but I would think that Graig is to be believed and others present will testify when asked.
Cheaters all over the place. First Nico Prien without a wooden boom on his old school windsurfer and now world class slalom racers posing on Instagram speeding by car in a village? Come on where is the real windsurfing action gone?
Slatan Ervice I guess you didn’t get the joke..: 🤷🏼♂️
@@MaciekRutkowski BAZINGA! I got you 😎
Fascinating. 125 kg 8.4 sail => 85 kg 7.0 sail. So what about 60 kg? 5.5..
maybe 6,2 ;)
Just look at all the Strava times. People are riding with eBikes, Motorbikes.. Virtual speed events using a simple measuring device make no sense since people are cheating. Unless e.g. a standardized drone would record footage and measure the attempt.