The Changing Shape of British Berets
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- A look at the different methods of moulding the British issue beret and how they have changed over time.
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In military movies you can instantly see if an actor has invested time and effort by the way they wear their berets.
Sean Connery's beret in "A Bridge Too Far" was sculptured perfection.
And yet in the credits you will see "Military Advisor". They get badges incorrect or the wrong way round or upside down and berets like French Onion sellers..!! 😅
I also think when you see news footage of troops from different developing countries around the world the standard of beret shaping reflects on the standard of training/professionalism of the wearers as daft as that sounds
A squaddies beret is an object of pride. When I see a movie or TV drama depicting British squaddies with their forehead showing and their right ear covered, I have to switch off.
@@johntait491 thing that pisses me off is when they fill the webbing pouches with newspapers so the actor doesn’t have to carry any weight and in doing so it changes completely how the soldier moves and makes them look stupid
The US military and the modern art pieces they call berets are a excellent example of what not to do.
I completely agree. Most berets are way to big which make them look like toddlers
Honestly I think British berets look like wack as hell
Ay fuck that shit, Panthers got a rich history w berets.
..their berets are hideous.
saw some US SF with the right eye completely covered ! i mean, i kinda pulled my quite down over my eye, but i could still see !
Even now recruits in the British Army recreate the evolution of the beret, from a helicopter landing pad in the early weeks, to a more refined item in later months of recruit training. Once they get to Battalion they can perfect the 'cap badge over the left ear' look or the 'I'm secretly in Pathfinder Platoon' flat cap. ..Until the RSM is in sight then its quickly back to cap badges over the left eye and 'no sir, this is how I always wear it honest'.
I thought the cap badge over the left ear was mostly done by paras and those in Scottish units who wear the balmorals.
In the RCT and LI our cap badges often migrated round towards the lughole when the bosses were not around.
In the early 80s we were issued huge berets with the satin ribbon. We used to private purchase smaller crowned berets with leather bands from Silvermans. The plastic bit was always ripped out and the beret plunged alternatively into boiling and then cold water to shrink it even more. Royal signals had a very sharp moulding at the front from the top of the badge and a tuck behind it. It was worn with the front band almost at eyebrow level. Still got mine and it is still the same shape!
those issue berets where hideous and impossible to mould lol.
Yank here. Former U.S. Marine. IMHO, "berrys" (as I heard 2 Scots artillerymen I served with in Operation Granby with pronounce the headgear) are a beautiful but useless cover, it fails to provide shade over the eyes/face, and no warmth in cold/wet weather. It immediately identifies Brits as British soldiers, which, of course, strikes bloody fear in the hearts of our enemies. Cheers, great and informative viddy!
The beret in Commonwealth countries are more of a distinction than protective headwear even though wool is a great material for rain and wet weather.
Yup the lack of any eye shade is a major flaw, especially for parades. In most pics everyone is squinting 😂👍.
That's why I think the Aussies got it the best with their slouch hats. I don't know if they wear them for general work but at least they have adequate shade on the parade square.
I have been out of the army 26 years, served 22 years 1974-1996, still get it out of my draw from time to time, and it fits like a glove, once shaped properly it would never lose its shape, and for me cap badge always over the left eye
great video - its an art form in itself - i had a large head so mine was 7 and 5/8 and always got commented on for looking too big depsite efforts at shrinking. Tightly shaped berets also lead to the habit of some soldiers constantly touching them to smooth down (even though they dont need it)
Cav used to try and get away with capbadge in the middle,and equal folds each side.Sgt Mjrs would not allow it in barracks
Yep. And the badge must stand up
Hi what regiment did you serve just wondering as very few English regiments wore their cap badge over their ear ie some Scottish and the regiment I served I the rgj the paras started doing it later
Oh sorry I read your text wrong lol thought you said left ear
I've been having a good laugh at these "2020 revolutionaries" by plonking on their berets without shaping. Another laugh when you see actors playing military parts with brand new mushrooms on their bonces.
Ah, worn Iraqi army "chef's hat" style.
We used to call them "Ark Royals!"cos they looked like an aircraft carrier on some new boy or officers head
@@stevenbreach2561 We used to call them "Helicopter Landing Pads"......
Got some good ones there, lads 😂
Wangers
I was a 2434 from 74 until 98. The saga of beret shrinking was fun. I always wore my beret like a cyclops; badge in the middle; we called it ‘two way stretch’. I loved my beret and managed to keep the same one throughout my career. Luckily too, on Op Grapple my UN beret was excellent for shaping.
I was once told by my father, who had to do National Service, that the quickest way to piss of the RSM ( and he could do nothing about it) was to do nothing to your uniform to make it look better. Modifying your uniform made you look smarter, but would get you charged if the RSM was looking for an excuse.
Apparently it was a favourite trick amongst conscripts that didn't want to be there.
I was at Brat School in the early 70's and the 'fashion' then was to try and have the smallest beret you could get usually by shrinking it (in hot water then cold and so on) and then wet moulding it to the desired shape. The one with the plastic in soon had that ripped out to make it fit tighter and be easier to mould. I had a fair sized piece of plastic behind my cap badge which allowed me to get the badge to stand up on its own and I had the crown pulled over mostly to the left but with a small part over to the right. Oh if someone asks you if you've had the wheeee taken out of your beret, always answer yes. Otherwise it got launched across the room with a shout of "Wheeee"!
It's an interesting evolution. Looking back at the shape of berets during world war 2 and the 1950's they would be considered 'gopping' by today's standards. It's interesting how fashions and regimental traditions change.
The current Para regt flat caps amuse me. It is as if they are having a competition to make it as Andy Capp as possible.
I remember in 1967 joining the military and starting 14 weeks training. My first weekend home I tried to shrink my beret and made a right balls of it. Too long in the saucepan and the leather band shrunk too far so I had to go to the stores when I got back to get a new beret (and a bollocking). Lovely days I remember and glad I joined, best time in my life.
Thanks for that, very interesting.
I’m not sure if this has already been mentioned but I’ve not read all the comments.
I joined 3RTR in 1980 and the trend was wear our berets with the badge in the middle and pulled down on either side of the badge as you mentioned. However I was led to believe, and it made sense that this was to allow us to wear the Staff Users Headsets, then on issue, over our ears rather than being obstructed by the RH shaping. We put much care into making out berets look a good (subjective 😊) as we could. Much alternating between hot and cold water and then allowing it to dry and sometimes uncomfortably shrink to our heads. We weren’t issued with Forage or as we called them ‘twat hats’ so our berets were our pride and joy.
The Chieftain Tanks were issued with the Crew Helmet (Bone Dome) but these were implements of torture and not popular.
Towards the end of the 1980’s things changed. Challenger 1 had ANR (Active Noise Reduction) and the wearing of Crew Helmets fitted with ANR headsets was mandatory. When in the field but dismounted we wore our Combat Helmets. No real need to even take a beret on exercise. Even Op Banner (Northern Ireland) required the wearing of a Combat Helmet.
Soon we were all wearing our berets exactly like the RTR chaps at the end of your presentation. Very nice too!
One last thing, the two soldiers shown with one holding the SLR must have been actors or had only been in the Army for 5 minutes. He’s not holding the weapon at all correctly and has his eye so close to the rear sight that he we probably lose it, it wasn’t a rifle for your sister that’s for sure.
Finally, yes I have gone on: you can always spot the actors on TV shows about the army by their berets. They always look like the offices had theirs 😄
If you read these things I hope at least a little of this will help you on your educational journey.
Being a Royal Engineer from 2005 onwards, wearing your issued beret as small as possible was always the aim. As soon as we arrived at our units, we would buy officer’s berets which were silk lined and had a smaller crown.
After completing P Coy & then the AACC, I immediately peaked my beret. At my unit, regardless of what course you completed we still wore a blue beret. Peaking it was a way of visually showing you had completed one of the respective courses without having the maroon or green beret on.
Peaking your beret without having completed such a course was a huge faux pas and a reprimand from higher ranks as well as peers would soon ensue.
Interesting video mate 👍🏻
I remember my beret being the one thing in tool more pride in then any other part of my kit. It being army issue was of course one size fits all and was a little big so I had to keep reworking it over and over. Always remember to shave it!
Interesting video.
I was a National Serviceman in the SADF early 1980's.
Called up initially to 3 SAI (3 South African Infantry) near Potchefstoom in SA.
I remember during our basic training, getting our shapeless 'new' green berets into shape, was an urgent matter of personal pride.
The clear plastic liners were ripped out and the new beret was subjected to repeated immersion in hot & cold water, dragging and molding the beret to fit, as tight as possible.
Same wearing of regimental badge & colours over left eye & beret dragged as flat as possible over right side of head. 2 finger distance between brow and beret rim.
A piece of flat plastic was fitted behind the badge, to give it rigidity & style.
There was a black ribbon threaded in the beret's leather rim, (faux leather) which was used to custom fit the new beret, to the wearers head size, puller as tight as possible into a small knot, with the ends cut off, for a flush fit. Some pulled out this ribbon altogether & discarded it, but those berets tended to develop a droppy look.
Well into our basics, we were informed by the instructors, anyone who had ripped out the plastic beret lining, could be charged with damaging government property.
As we had all done that, I don't remember that threat ever been carried out.
All that faff, for a bloody beret 🙄👍
School of Armour in the late 80s. None of our berets had the plastic inner lining, so someone finally realized how f-ing hot South Africa gets and heads sweat.
Fashion! My late 90s beret was roughly the size of a beermat, worn with the badge close to the left ear and a sharp peak over the right. The peak could slide over the eyes if you wanted to look extra cool. The method for carrying the beret poking from the map pocket was also prescribed.
That old one is almost exactly like the Balmorals we wore in the Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa, but pulled them down to the front, with the cap badge over our left ear.
6:12. Berets worn centrally for those who wore headsets were called ‘ducks arse’ in my Regiment (3RTR) because the spare material pointed straight back.
There are some shocking berets there. Mine were always close fitting and I always tried to form the crease over the front of the badges. I say 'badges' because I ultimately wore three in my time. They were always shrunk into shape and NEVER had ribbons hanging down the rear. Also, in my experience, the badge was moved over the ear so as not to show any potential enemy the glint of the badge in the sun whilst on ops/ex. We also used to have a spare badge, painted black, to use in tactical situations for the same purposes and they looked cool too, which NEVER hurts.
These are, you understand, my experiences and other's mileages may differ.
In the 1970's there was a shop in Aldershot called Victors who produced smaller crowned berets, the para style of small berets worn pulled right and forward became fashionable amongst all other regiments too at this time, my Dad still has his Victors beret in Royal Artillery blue
I can remember Victor's they were always expensive, but some cool kit if you wanted to pay the money.... 🤑
I got mine at Victor's to in the 70s . I am ex gunner like
Your dad Ubique.
@@peterfalon3024 nice one Sir, he was in 97 battery 4th field regiment, went to Ireland twice, Rhodesia, Belize and Germany, left in 1981 and just missed the Falklands, my Uncle went though, he was Sergeant Ernie Dobson, left as a BSM, my dad's name is Frank
I was in the Queens Regt in the 1970s and we shaped the beret by soaking it and wearing it wet. Not pleasant but effective. The alternative headgear was the infamous 'hat ridiculous' a kind of camouflage baseball cap. I've never seen them since and i'm not bloody surprised. One other point. My dad was in the 8th army then attached to the American 5th and I remember him and his drinking pals always pronounced it 'berry'.
Hat ridiculous was the General service cap from the beginning of his vid.
What you're referring to was known as a crap hat. Though of course that's any lid that's not maroon to some. Probably where the name cane from as recruits wore them before "earning" a beret.
@@hlund73 i think, at least when i was in the TA, the cap was also called a t@#$ hat
The reason for the cap badge being worn in the centre of the forehead with headsets was a matter of necessity, as the earphones and headset would push the back of the cap badge into the wearers head.
When i was a boy soldier in the mid 60's , Kangol berets were the most sought after "gold standard" as the crown could be easily shrunk and moulded.. Always worn with a backing for the cap badge which was worn off center , left eye, Tankie style. pulled down both sides.
In the RCT and in the LI we tended to bin the issue berets and buy repacements from Silvermans that were leather banded and much easier to shrink and shape. We also often sewed the right hand flap of the beret down at two or three points to hold the flap tight against the beret.
Great video, and explains why I am having problems shaping my beret. My issued one, now over 25 years old, was looking a big worse for wear, so purchased a new one from the PRI shop the other month, so I might look a bit smarter on Remembrance parade. I have had a hell of a job trying to shape the new one, and after watching the video, I now know why. The crown has reduced from around 10 inches to about 8, and hence explains why I can’t get it to pull down over the right hand side. Might have to revert back to my old worn out one !
which make cos some makes are crap!!
Lovely bit of history, most informative! Always a pleasure to learn more on all of these uniform aspects. Nicely done! I was given a Tank Corps Beret for Christmas back in 1967, compared to my early '50s variant, it barely makes a shower cap!
Cheers!
Thanks for this, i wondered why a photo of my Grandad in Norway showed him wearing a helicopter landing pad, it's not a beret but a GS Cap.
My beret from my service still fits and the minimum of fuss putting it on.
The way of wearing the beret is as individual as the person wearing it, but ever more they seem to be seeing how far they can get the cap badge to the left ear and turning it into a flat cap, looks fecking awful.
As an interesting aside, look at C Sgt Vezza's beret in the BBC Sandhurst documentary, his is approaching tiny.
As you say, certainly in more recent times the beret has been a somewhat individual item of uniform. I am, personally, not a fan of some of the modern shapes I've seen, likewise not a fan of the flat 'at look. I'll definitely take a look at the documentary.
@@RiflemanMoore Hello friend, sorry to bother you, ¿what is the best quality beret, the Ammo & Company beret or the beret of the french brand Laulhere? I hope you can answer me, I will be very grateful. Many greetings from Perú.
Berets, so much has changed in the last 30 years 😂 nowadays everyone seems to think they are wearing a TOS, The cap badges seem to be migrating from the left eye to the left ear.
Now, the first beret I was issued had the cloth band (1990) we were encouraged to get hold of a leather banded one as they fit better.wed get them from places like duboras in Aldershot or HM supplies. The style was alot smaller than the issue one and looked better. Some of the old sweats wore the cap badge in the centre on the forehead, was told they were armoured engineers so it made sense if a headset was worn. Some but not many wore it like Andy capp, flat cap style with a cap badge fastened to the front. Some me included cut a piece of plastic and wore it behind the badge on the inside.this helped to give your beret a bit better shape.
VG. A similar situation in the Aussie First Armoured Regiment. Christies was the place to get "the best beret" although I preferred the Issued version. Australians aren't as big on berets, for obvious reasons, [plus we have the Slouch Hat (Hat, Khaki, Fur Felt) for a pride-issue]. Not many units wear berets as standard, RAAC ["The Sacred Black Cloth"] , Aviation with their "powder-puffs", our Paras and Commandoes (who are Soldiers, not Pussers), but these Regiments take immense pride and bearing in their berets.
Good vid, as always, Rifleman Moore!
Two way stretch berets are a thing for some .......it takes a some work to wear a beret with the correct era soldier fashion chic.
Many thanks Pete!
My late husband was attached to the R.E.M.E. when he got a new Beret it was painful! 😄 he would wet it , and then take "forever " to mould it , the badge had to be over his left eye ( proper ) as he called it! Such fun watching that and him "bulling" his boot's! Gawd i miss that man .
Sorry he was attached to the 9th / 12th Royal Lansers in was IN the R.E.M.E.
I’m sure everyone who has served has there own little variations on how to shape it, but I was taught, remove the plastic and tie it to size on your head. Use the hottest water u can stand, but don’t submerge the leather band, then it’s hot water, cold water, hot water cold water etc then shape it to your head until you are happy with it, cap badge over left eye ish...... and it’s shaping not moulding, never heard it called moulding .
Issued berets were still big in the 80s, I just put my new one in the washing machine on a 90 cycle and wore at home for a bit.
It’s took years for pongos to understand that Royal always wore his green lid in the correct way, liner out cap badge plastic in the bin and soak and stretch over your bonce and repeat, my lid stood in shape on its own off my head 😂
In my regiment, we used a thin piece of plywood or plastic behind the cap badge to hold it straight up and tight the material. As you may have noticed, in my photo, the RTR colours form the background. Brown, Red, and Green. Wearing battle dress uniform.
I didn't have too much this time this morning and now I am late. In this current age I have blame someone other than myself. That leaves this channel for the excellent video or CZcams for recommending it!
When I served in the Royal Navy in the early 1980s, I was based where we had Royal Marines on the main gate, security patrols and so on. Their berets were well shaped and immaculate at all times. Some Royal Navy personnel deliberately wore their berets without any molding or shaping in homage to the Royal Marines...
About the same time; when I was at university and in the Territorials I was mates with SNOMAN [Senior Naval Officer Manchester], another student.
His naval beret was an absolute STATE, he looked like a Chasseur Alpin, it reached nearly down to his shoulder!
We took it off him, shrunk and shaped it to within an inch of its life.
It was a thing of beauty.
As soon as he got back to the Navy they threw a fit, told him to throw it away and get a "proper" beret. 🤦♂
Very interesting subject and well presented, thank you for sharing 👍🇬🇧
South African Defence Force in the late 80s, Armoured Corps.
The SADF beret sizes looked like the 1960s Para beret you wore, and the 1970s beret in your vid.
We didn't have any plastic lining inside by my time, as the head sweats tremendously in the hot African summers.
I hadn't heard of the hot/cold water treatment until now.
I used my deodorant as a flamethrower to burn off the excess felt, then bit the leading edge from above the left eye across over the right eye to get a crease. Burned felt tastes really crap by the way.
We washed the beret, put a flat, flexible piece of plastic cut out of a big bottle inside the beret to support the badge and the 'Balkie' which sat under the badge.
Balkies were rectangular enamelled badges of two or three colours, denoting your service as in our case, black berets were worn by Armoured, Intelligence, and the Technical Service Corps. Our balkie was blue, white and orange.
School of Armour changed it's badge in my year to seperate us from the armoured car battalions of 1 and 2 Special Services Battalions.
Our new badge was similar to the British tank badge of an old WW1 tank surrounded by a laurel wreath.
The first batch were made of lead. Yes, LEAD!
This pulled the front of your beret down like a flat cap, so you had to constantly rearrange your beret.
From throwing my beret around like a frisbee, the fine detail of the badge wore off.
We swore that if we ever ran out of ammo, the badge could be thrown as a last resort.
Our tankers and armoured car crews never wore their berets in the vehicles, always helmets, with our berets tucked under our left epaulet, or threaded though our large belt loops.
Fascinating subject matter, expertly presented, thank you!
Excellent video! No one in CZcamsland and beyond have produced such a detailed beret video. I have a WWII beret in my collection, and my original issued beret from the RCA when I served. I believe Canada followed most of the British patterns,.My beret was molded in the shower. I would shower with it on and pull down on the right side over and over to get it to hang as low as possible. Some would remove the liner to help mold it. It would really hang low over the right ear, but that method was discouraged, but not really enforced.
Thanks James, I remember you mentioning this in your video talking about the kit you were issued in the '80s. Amusing as at the time Brits were commonly shrinking their berets!
@@RiflemanMoore I may need a black British AFV beret in the near future to go with a possible vehicle purchase. What would be the uniform for a 1960 Ferret?
Great content fella
I went through this process as a very young naval reservist many years ago. Rip out the lining, cut off the ribbons at the back, dip in water, stick on head, remove and place in airing cupboard. Happy days!
As well as a shrunk and shaped beret often sans the liner, we also used to tailor our DPM jackets with darts in the back and of course lightweights with sewn in creases to make us look as pukka as **** but utterly tick tock.
The berets we were issued with in the late 1950s were considered far too “baggy”. These were shrunk in cold water. The trick was to shrink the bag without shrinking the head band. I was lucky in that my hat size was a seven. Lucky because it fitted one of the two sizes of mess tins (I forget which one). The beret was put on the upside down mess tin - a thight fit - before being drenched with water and then left out to dry in the Kenyan sun. Interestingly, the square shape of the band of your parachute beret looks as though it might just have received this treatment.
Thank you for a very interesting video... I'd like to add that sometimes the shape of the head determined the beret shape..... I served with some very strange shaped heads in my time.
A very good point!
Great video mate 👍
Glad you enjoyed!
I am currently in the rafac and I hated moulding my first Beret it wasn't too bad but there was a standard that you had to go by when having to mould it.
In the 1950's as soon as our kit was issued we had to tighten the ribbon that ran round inside the leather band of our green (Light Infantry) berets to fit, knot them off and cut off the surplus. From this you had to construct and sew on, over the knot, a bow. This was to achieve a neat look that you couldn't get by merely tying a bow.
I did the same in REME - 1953 to 1966. Never shrunk my beret, I wore it as issued!
Arfur bullshit
Most crowns on berets were the same but when they looked smaller they were shrunk my beret went right over my ear until it was shrunk and shaped we shrunk our own..
Berets that were not shrunk were called helli landing pads , in my regiment it was called shaped not molded I served from 1976 to 2002 never heard of molding unless it was minging and smelt molded.
When you said the beret had changed from the 60s to the 70s the date on my beret was 1963 a rifle green one as issued to the Light infantry, RGJ , and the Ulster Defence Regiment exactly the same as the size as issued today .
i think i heard shaping more too (albeit in TA)
I still have mine from the 70's! It turned out later (after a few months) I was engaged to the girl at Compton's who actually MADE it. I showed it to her and it had her stamp on it! Soaked in a bucket of cold water, shaped and work until dry. I can pick it up and put it on, fits perfectly still shaped as t was all those years ago, when I was on active service.
My Beret insert was cut out and the beret was then boil in sauce pan, and then dried and shape in the airing cupboard on ball with cap badge in place and then on the side of the cap badge was then sewn in place and even the badge was sewn in place to give a point and ridge. The other side was iron to give a sharp edge witch was drawn down to ear.
Good job. Nicely researched, well edited, and very interesting
Thank you!
@@RiflemanMoore Welcome. and thank you for the great videos.
Still got my original issue Kangol beret complete with original Jimmy......Over a period of time a lot of lads used to break the base off the jimmy through wear and tear and have to get a replacement....I used invisible cotton to sew and anchor the base in place so it didn't allow for bending and eventual snapping...Still there 40 years later
I was in the Jnr Para Coy as a boy soldier joining in 72. Before qualifying for our maroon beret we had to wear other headgear. After tests and qualifying for our Para beret the beret was not that easy to shape correctly so it was recommended we went to a shop called Victors whose berets where of far better quality and a leather band. I seem to remember it was 10/- ( shillings)
Victors shop in Aldershot was a popular shop for many squaddies until it closed, then I think it was another shop Dubora's or something.
@@lcd4112 As I remember They had all the regiments of the British Army cloth badges in a glass case
@@davidcorbett62 I think so David, but it's a foggy memory. You are right though, the Beret's did cost 10 bob at the time with a leather band, and as long as you didn't get the leather band wet when using water to shape it, you were good to go.
Dubora's used to sell Laulhère berets.
They are without doubt the best berets ever even though they're a French make!
They're about £25 nowadays but worth every penny, I'll be rocking my still pristine 20yr old Laulhère Green Lid on Monday when I watch HRH pass by on her final journey.
Tankies wore cap badge centre, with both sides pulled down, due to wearing radio headsets when mounted on their vehicle and the pressure shaped them in that manner. Clearly, if the cap badge was worn to the right, it just gets in the way. This is also the reason some Tankie and Cav units shape their Forage Cap’s when in the same way, particularly the Officers. Every day is a school day 👍🏻
Most useful! Thanks!
Great video, thanks
I saw this video and had to phone my grandads brother who did national service in the royal signals Cyprus 1958 I had to ask how he wore his beret he said “I didn’t take to the beret I wore it cap badge over the left eye and down to the right eye I hated the bloody thing it smelled and was greasy after months”
Patrols who lurked (to observe the area briefly), would put the badge to the rear to avoid glare from the sun to remain unnoticed. They'd turn it back again once moving. The paras certainly would due to the high shine on the badge.
Very interesting
Berets in the British army as said do tend to change from different Regiments. funny thing was 20 years ago all officers over the Rank of 2 Lt had to have a Helicopter landing pad or Frank Spencer Style as I remember lol
In the second Polish Corps, the eagle on the GS Cap was carried on the front but in Polish Commando Company Eagle was carried on the left side on the beret
Thanks
interesting as usual
Having worn berets in differing arms of the UK forces and overseas, the degree of 'individualisation' of service uniform allowed or not varied greatly. the fashion for having the creases sown in to your lightweights was one such issue - for some units a no no, others did not mind.
The first thing we did with our berets (1970's) was to cut out the liner and plastic square all the way to the cotton band, shrink it and shape it, - sharp fold to the ear and deep indent behind the cap badge (of which a black version of the badge was swapped out on exercise or tours.
The only difficulty I had with shaping a beret was in a none UK unit where the 'draw string' ribbons were at the time left to dangle down the nape of your neck, I could not line the badge over the eye and get the ribbons in place - until it clicked different eye as worn on the other side of the head !
Victors all day long and maroon (if earned) being the best colour
The maroon machine definitely looks the best
Every beret i was issued had a ribbon running through the rim and sticking out the back,that came straight out,by the way i was a Rfn 3RGJ in the 60s and 70s.
Just found your channel, very informative, thanks☺☺
I’m an instructor with the ACF (not regs) and I have seen the cadets try to do there own things with the beret the badges have a tendency to move over the ear. We also tend to cut out the lining to make it easier to mould and avoid the plate smuggling look
*their
Cadets should only wear berets as in standard shaping no regt shaping should take place.
Aha. I'm not the only one obsessing about beret styles!
It is interesting to some, clearly!
The 'peaking' of the berets is done when the wearer has served sufficent time and experience in his unit and gained respect, it's only really done where the maroon or green berets are worn. If a newish bloke turned up with a peak, it wouldn't go down well for him. It's almost like an unwritten rule.
Also done by all Parachute qual personnel as for Paras and RAF Regt laws unto selves!!
As a Canadian , I can honestly say I like the British berets better than Canadian ones. They look like they fit better.
Damn! The green beret I bought isn't appropriate for Royal Marines WWII reenactment, I had some doubts, now I know for sure ! Great job
WRAC? It's the same colour...
The 17.15 marks has Martin "Bil" Bentley who won the MM at the Battle of Goose Green as a Medic with C Coy 2 Para
I had the pleasure of knowing a gentleman who was in the tank regiment in ww2. He said when in Africa they changed from wearing the black berets to forage caps to stop the Germans knowing there was tank personnel in the dessert
What, in the trifle? 😮
Oh yes wrong spelling well I guess with cream and cherry on top
@@romanaii Haha, only pulling your leg. 😊
Christopher Newman I know v funny as i keep saying #dunkirk
Thank you...very interesting
I joined the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers in 1969. We wore our berets in much the standard form, but the NCOs tended to mold theirs somewhat, by dipping in boiling water, then in cold water, then in boiling water again, before a final dunk in cold water; after which, they placed it on their head and moulded it to shape, so it was a better fit and didn't have such a large overhang over the Right ear. The other thing which was common amoungst the NCOs, was to modify the shape of the RRF Hackle. This required the hackle to be steamed and then the feathers brushed outwards and downwards, after which, they were placed upside down into a Wine Glass to set. When removed and mounted, they then looked like an inverted Goblet. With reference to Radio Operators/Signallers, they used to mold their berets using the above technique, but with the badge and hackle nearer to the center of the Forehead; slightly to the Left of the nose. The crown of the beret was then moulded with equal parts above each ear, so their headsets sat comfortably on their ears over their beret, without interfering with the badge and hackle.
Worn for years with the oak leaf on Horseguards on Remembrance Day .
Is there a place to find new-made 50’s style berets? I have a modern midnight blue one but there isn’t enough material on top, so I can’t get a proper shape to it. My head is also too big for most original examples, so I was wondering if there was somewhere I could find a suitable replacement.
The RHODESIAN'S KNEW how to shape a beret PROPERLY.
I had one of the smallest and smartest berets in 1 King's Own Border 87-90. 56 size with the lining cut out. Private purchase, shrunk to f**k Comptom Webb. The Kangol issue was like Billy Smarts.
Honestly prefer a larger crown but yours must have looked natty as by the style of the time.
Anglospherical Fact, a kingo private purchase generally equaled nicked....
@@AirplaneDoctor_ Shhhhhh.. Lol
Anglospherical chargeable offence wearing a non issue
I was a rfn In 2RGJ In the seventies and kangol berets were he'll to shape allways too large and too much lining.Obligatory to rip out the lining and shrink to get a decent size and shape much the same as the para style berets.
The French berets issued to their para and legionnaire units shrink much more easily and almost instantly after one soaking in hot water and you are able to achieve the desired affect Immediately. The quality may not have been as good as kangol but they looked good and fitted better than the British dinner plates.
Infantry units tend to worry more about the look and styl unless of course you was an officer and then you wore a canopy.
Remember that different Regiments wear the Beret in particular ways too so it still varies from Regiment to Regiment. Interesting video
There's a few photos of chaps during the war 'flat capping' their GS caps as well, so not just a 1960s thing, but always very interesting to see!
True indeed, it's ideally suite for it. I should have mentioned that.
The issue berets in depot were called “Porkies” in the 80s, it was like a doss-bag on your head. When you passed P-company we went to Victors and bought our berets there.
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Awesome stuff dude. I've been looking for an account on the evolution of British soft hats for a while, but could never find anything.
Glad you found it interesting!
It wasn't just the army. In the 1970s, I was in the ATC and it was very specifically taught "badge over left eye" and well pulled down over right ear. When I joined the OTC in college, I did the same and this was fine.
The (mis)shaping I have seen since was never impressive and paras were the worst! I would never have told them though!
I joined the Army in 1967. The wearing of a beret with the badge in the centre and both sides pulled down to form an even slope, was normally called a 'Tankie' as it was usually the Tank regiments wearing them. It was done for the use of the radio systems in tanks and other vehicles. As I was in the Artillery, if you wore a 'Tankie', you were at least put on extra fatigues if not charged, even if you were a radio operator. I later joined a territorial infantry regiment where they were not so fussy and had smaller berets that could be moulded more easily.
I joined the army as a boy solider in 1968 aged 15 and served with the Junior Leaders Infantry Battalion stationed at Park Hall Camp in Oswestry, Shropshire. The berets issued were enormous and quite ridiculous looking! We hated them. We shrank them in hot water, rang them dry, then fashioned them on our heads and slept in them! Very uncomfortable! We wore them the following day, still damp, but when they dried out they looked great!
Have a look at the royal marine commemorative video on here col Oliver Lees beret shaping in the final scene is AWESOME!
When the Para's started to pull the headdress forward, they would have two beret's, a work Beret and a parade beret to avoid the wrath of the CSM / RSM. Yor beret size is larger than the ones you use for demonstration of the badge over the left eye. 1950's to mid 1990's dress regulations state the badge is centre of left eye. But in relation to the diameter of the rim, it needs to be large enough to position the bottom of the cap badge is one inch above the eyebrow, a quick measure would be knuckle of right thumb on the eyebrow, tip of thumb touching the bottom of the cap badge.
Anyone wearing a beret in a fashionable style, rather than dress regulations who were on a SNCO or a WO course would be ordered to place themselves under arrest, and get themselves locked up in the Guardroom. Somewhat more strict than a Recruits Course....
RAB former Chief Drill Instructor
Most young soldiers and JACOB seem to think that the cap badge should be on the side of the head rather than in line with the eye. Unfortunately SNCO have no back bone and don't boot arse.
I recently watched a video of the passing out parade of a platoon of new Para’s (mid 2021), all of the platoon were wearing their berets as prescribed by the dress regulations, badge over the left eye and beret pulled over and down to the right, with the exception of the platoon Corporal who was wearing his with the badge over his left ear and the beret pulled out over his face like a flat cap, I can understand wearing the beret in such a manner when on operations in the field but wearing it in such a manner during an official parade just doesn’t look right.
All paras were there berets with cap badge over the ear
They do once they pass out and join their battalions, just don't let the RSM see you..... 😁
Mate of mine, ex Para ( late 60's early 70's) explained to me that they had to wear the beret correctly with cap badge over the right eye, it could only be worn with cap badge over the ear in NI and by those who'd served in NI.
The regt I served in, the cap badge had to be over left eye.
@@briancurran2988 I can understand if there are operational reasons to wear the beret differently, it’s the fact that the platoon Corporal wore his that way on a formal passing out parade.
I was UDR and Royal Irish ours was supposed to be over the right but the old guys had it sort of in-between RSM was a bit of a stickler for dress regs
Can anybody say when the fashion for shaving berets started (or finished)? Back in the '90's, in some units not shaving your beret meant unwelcome attention from red-faced shouty types, but in others units, not having it shaved was ignored.
And people cutting out the lining, always privately purchased an officer's beret as the silk lining always kept your head cool👍🏻as the issued ones are like dinner plates 😆
I was 3rgj back in the 70s we all tapered our uniform and shrunk our berets as small as we could and the badge went over our left ear also wore high legged boots as standard we were proud to be different
I remember doing same as a member of 3RGJ.
@@tonywilliamson5971 hi bro when did you serve I went to 1rgj from 3rd bat in 1974
Our beret badges arent meant to be over the left eye anyway as a Rifle Reg we dont carry colours our capbadge is our colours. Should be worn slightly behind the left eye. Reason? Rifleman dont stand behind colours.
@@TheGreenjacketbilly hi bro there will never be a regiment like the rifle reg forward thinking swift and bold cet et audaux
Tailoring your KF shirt and Denims was ok, if you could get away with it ! !. 1969/1993. Mr JR
In the Canadian army we would soak in water and form with the use of a coat hanger.
Just seen my old mans cap badge royal tank regiment , he was 5th rtr .
Great video. Wish you would show period pics in your videos more often, like you did here. Cheers
I do so where it seems pertinent and where it can be done without infringing copyright.
I always wondered why the size had changed
I wore the RAF blue grey beret for 30+ years, and we used to dunk it in boiling water to shrink it, then shape it to our heads, badge 1” over left eye, pulled tight to the right ear, partly covering the badge, and left to dry. Incidentally, most of us wore the anodised Queen’s Crown badge, some of us were issued with a brass badge that was deliberately polished smooth, and some very few wore the brass badge with the King’s Crown, which was fully permitted as it was the original Crown of England. I fully expect that everyone will now be issued with the King’s Crown badge following King Charles’ accession to the throne, although it will be the anodised badge, not the brass one.
If, in your RAF career, you ever served at RAF Cosford your duty officer on the last Fri of the month would toddle off to MoD Donnington to confirm no one has nicked the lump of metal that Victoria Cross's are made from. The massive hangar the metal is kept in also houses scores of big boxes that are full of Kings Crown badges, buttons and rank slides.
I imagine there have been fleets of transit vans zooming out of there in the last week!
Fantastic video, quick question. Why was there a change between cap and beret?