I remember as a teenager, I looked at exotic sports cars with awe knowing I could never afford one but it would be really nice. Now, as an adult, I look at even basic new cars with awe knowing that I’ll never be able to afford one but it would be really nice.
I stopped at a local Toyota dealer on a Sunday to look at a 4Runner and the factory sticker had a price of $61332 (it had that stupid XP Wallet Predator package), which was fairly high but doable. Next to it, however, was a dealer added sticker that had a line that boldly stated MARKUP $8000! They don't even try to hide the ripoff anymore. I love the vehicle but I will give it a hard pass until prices get a little more sane.
I tried shopping for a 2023 TRD Pro earlier this year. The dealer had the same car in this video en route to the dealership. Market price had it around $60k which is where the market on this car is. When they handed me the deal sheet, they had a market adjustment price of $20 thousand. They wanted $80 thousand for the 4Runner. Literally got up and walked out
@@themagician7734Have you seen what the FJ Cruisers are going for? Insane. So, not surprising dealers are jacking up to hell on the 4R before the LC hits the lots. The new LC probably will rob the 4R customer base and the 4R will be discontinued. To become the next FJ collectible.
Ive always wanted a 4runner, back when I was in the market in 21, I would watch your videos and it segmented my decision even more to get a Trd off road. Haven't had a single issue since
What a great vehicle! I have 2022 Lime Rush TRD Pro and have driven 52K miles with it in just 1.5 years! The TRD Fox shocks are some of the most comfortable shocks I've had, probably comparable to the Ford Raptor. The TRD Pro without any modifications is already a super capable vehicle, as I've done Black Bear Pass, Ophir Pass, and many others without any problems. I doubt most of the people who have steel bumpers and 34'' tires ever go off-road haha. Just swapped out a new Fox suspension set at 50K, changed transmission fluid and differential fluids, and got a new set of General Grabber ATX. Here's to the next 50K miles 🍻
@@TobyCostaRica The Fox shocks, like all performance shocks (Icons, Kings), need to be rebuilt at 50K miles, otherwise it'll ride really harshly. I didn't have any leaking issues or anything but I do quite a bit of offroading so it was time. I bought another set and sent the old ones on the vehicle to Fox for rebuild. It takes 3-4 weeks to rebuild the shocks and I didn't want to not have my car while it's being done, so now I have 2 sets for whenever I need to get the shocks rebuilt. I haven't gone anywhere that the TRD Pro can't go yet so I don't have the need to upgrade suspensions as of now.
@@whocaresjustdoit thanks, I was curious as the OEM spec Fox shocks are protected vs exposed shafts aftermarket. That design (and prior ownership of aftermarket shocks) makes we want to go OEM on my next 4x4.
@@TobyCostaRica yeah I’m with you on that. I’m on the boat of trusting the engineering Toyota puts into the TRD Pro. I’ve owned aftermarket shocks too and they always break down at one point or another. Haven’t had a single problem with the TRD Pro Fox 2.5 despite frequently heavy off-roading.
@@whocaresjustdoit yeah at this point I’m done with uniballs, helms and poly bushings. Oem specs rubber bushings and sealed ball joints for good reason. The only thing I’d do is a TRD lift kit if going higher.
Damn I just wanna say I love this channel, proper off road tests, no holding back any punches just good ol' proper and realistic scenarios of what these machines should be capable of and expected to do. thanks for keeping it real
I would also like to comment the 4-runner. We had this car in the 90s. And we fell in love with it for its highest off-road capabilities. And no parts of it ever broked! We used it for hunting in very wild places, in autumn and winter, when there is a lot of snow and very cold, where any breakdown could cause serious problems. People still drive old 4-runners and don’t want to change them to new ones. It cost about 30 К dollars in Kazakhstan. Respect to the author for good videos!
That uphill course is beginning to look like a sand dune! Great the "old" 4Runner could make it up with a little help by you dropping the tire air a bit. Great truck!
I know Driving Sports is a different channel compared to like, TFL, where DS is focusing more on new vehicles, but it would be cool to see some older modified or even stock 4x4's take on some of the courses shown in these videos just to see how old vehicles stack up and how technology has improved or hindered off road performance in certain areas.
Ryan, The term 'maybe next year' seems to have been invented for this generation of 4Runner. 😉 Whenever 'next year' finally arrives for the 4Runner, rumors suggest a manual 4Runner will be part of the rebirth and return to 4Runner roots . While we are still daydreaming about that far off arrival, I can also throw in a reverie about the reintroduction of the original 2 door 4Runner. 🤞🤞🤩
There are a lot of rumors about it. Some fear. Some hope. I made my choice back in 2018 and I cannot see me ever trading up. No matter what comes next. Yes, it would be great to have some things I did not get, but I knew what I was getting into. I accepted this jack of all trades for what it is. Could it use another gear or 2, yes. Could it use a front camera, yes. (new ones have it)And there are other little nuances people talk about that I knew about before my purchase. But it has been 5 years now, and no complaints from me. And still Toyota has not recreated the 4R. Could it go away like the FJ Cruiser? Maybe. The new Land Cruiser could slide in and take the business. But I would not pick the new LC over what I have.
Seriously. Every once in a while when I'm searching for an answer to something in the 4Runner groups, I'll come across a post from like 2018 talking about the rumored "new" 4R coming out the next year.
@@WW-wf8tu There is NO way the 4Runner will be discontinued. It is the cash cow 4X4 in Toyota's biggest market. The debut of the new GX and Land Cruiser have only whetted the appetite for the possibilities of what the next 4Runner will be.
I hate to sound like a fanatic, but owning a 4R TRD OR has been the best decision I have made. And I have only put on rock sliders. Everything(including tires)is stock. And it is a tank!
I just bought a trd off-road premium and put bfg 285s on it on stock suspension. Already more capable than the pro for at least 10k less and has the same features.
Even on stock size I think those Nittos on the weaker side and not much from all season tires. I've tried stock size GY Wrangler Duratrac and I experience a huge difference in grip. Now running Toyo OC 285/70R17 on stock suspension, haven't had a chance to test offroad yet. I believe 285's would help to float over due to more area with same psi vs stock 265s. Not sure unless I live next to Ryan and test TRD Pro stock tires vs my stock TRD Pro except for 285s 😃
I have a 2014 Trail Premium (same trim as the TRD Off Road), with 150k miles and it still feels new. Those stock nitto's aren't the best tire. The 5th gen is an instant classic, and it the first car I've owned that I know I'll never part ways with.
I have a 1014 Trail as well. Only 145K. With a 3" lift and 33" Baja Boss tires, it rocks. I've parked right next to a 2023 and it's hard to tell the difference.
You defeated the crawl control on the ladder by turning the wheels back and forth. If you watch the videos Toyota did on the Tacoma from 2016 you’ll learn how it works. Good luck next time and keep up the videos!
@@trailrunnah8886 Crawl control works to build contact surface. If you watch the Toyota demo video of the Tacoma stuck in sand, you’ll see the system inching the sand to build up traction as it digs out. By turning the steering wheel back and forth, this can’t happen. Your literally digging a hole by doing that. I’m not a Toyota engineer, LOL, but that’s the best way I can explain it.
@@WesterntrailbossIn sand, the tires are filling the hole back up as they slowly turn, stop and turn. Turning the wheel side to side negates this action as it is creating more ditch to fill in. Whether or not in the soil shown here the functionality of CC would be duplicated like it was in the example you mentioned, remains to be seen. As most people don't have the patience to let the system work. I have personally duplicated the example you mentioned in my 4R, in sand. Confident that it would in fact dig me out, I did not have anyone around, no winches, no aids of any kind when I ran my test. I spun all 4 tires(4WD Hi)until the vehicle was resting on the frame. There is no more stuck than that. Flipped on CC and let it do its thing. In less than 5 minutes(if memory serves)it crawled itself out. I primarily did this test(and filmed it)to debunk those that said you could only do this maneuver going in reverse. I did it going forward. Ryan did a great job here testing out the abilities of all the traction devices, except this 1 example. And I cannot fault him for it, as he does not have a generous amount of time to sit and wait indefinitely to see if it would go up that incline in that soft soil. I am not sure if CC would do it under that condition. But I would love to give it a try. 1 thing is certain, gravity would be on your side going backwards if it did not work going up the hill. Hole or not. Mercedes had a gimmick on some SUV model(s) of the vehicle bouncing up and down in the sand. Thus causing the sand to fill back in the hole. lol Was interesting. I like the CC better tho.
Looks like he was using the technique that works with the range, rover defender, but you are correct that this is not how Toyota programmed it. He should’ve just kept the steering wheel straight and allowed it to do it’s thing.
I love my new 4runner. I was lucky and got a Pro at MSRP, but the factory tires are not great. I haven't changed them out quite yet. I've only had it a month.
Newer the tires are more money you can get when you sell them so you can put towards your new set of tires. I normally sell all 5 tires and get new 5 tires of my choice.
When I got my 4R Trd off-road back in 2018 I was going through the same thing. I wanted to use the stock road tires until they went bad but I couldn’t wait. After 1 month, I ended up selling them on marketplace and then using that money towards some ko2s. 65,000 miles later I still have those same ko2s!
We have a 2014 4Runner Trail. It is equivalent to a TRD Off-Road, locker, crawl control, etc. It now has a 3" OME suspension lift and 285/70/17 Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T's. I'm sure it would have no major issues on this course. I would air down to 18-20 psi on the steepest part. Technology can only do so much. Some momentum ground clearance and better tires will win almost every time.
YESSSSS!!!! Ryan, I swear you are my favorite at this stuff! You must've read my previous comment about wanting to take a 4R TRD OR up your courses to challenge them! THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH FOR THIS!!!!! You did almost every last thing I would have done(before airing down)to tackle that hill! This is 1 of the reasons why I really dig your channel. You explain everything well. You challenge things harder than most other channels. You do your homework and you really speak to me. I almost NEVER can find anything to add to what you do. This was an excellent Friday treat for me. TYSM! Still want to bring my 4R TRD OR out there someday. lol Only minor thing I might have done on the CC attempt at slow speed, is not turned the tires and gave it a longer time to see if it would fill the holes back in and climb up and out. (works in sand) But for video purposes, this was more than convincing and rewarding to me. Cannot over state how great this was for me today! You say"we hope you enjoy them" Well, you can count on it from me!
Love your 4Runner and Tacoma videos. Thank you for trying MTS and crawl control before going straight for the locker. Toyota has sold many 4Runners because of your videos.
I got mine 8 months ago, it hadn’t even left the port in Japan. My markup for the solar octane pro, completely unseen came around 2k. I paid for it in half as I’m trying to work on my credit a little. 3k miles later, cause I drive company vehicles, I still love it.
I feel like auto reviewers always dedicate so much time to showing off MTS and crawl control, but the overland channels that actually use these vehicles long term typically say they never use it. A rear locker, good tires, and a little momentum is more effective than a lot of the systems from any manufacturer.
Dealership wouldn’t even let my wife and i test drive the 2023. They said they only have one in stock. I’ll never step foot in that place again. If you ever come out to Calgary, you’ll find that there are a lot of snobs here.
a lot of companies wont let you test drive their high end stuff unless they believe youre actually going to purchase it, to avoid putting milage on it. for the ford raptors, they wont even let you inside the car unless you have a down payment ready.
And yet here you are watching a 4runner review. FYI, Consumer Reports, 2023 Toyota 4Runner most reliable vehicle. Far Better?.......um, not really tho, No. Just way more overpric.....expensive.
Great video! Definitely would like to have seen the system work as designed… moving the wheel back and forth is definitely a no-no with crawl control. You need to point in the direction you want to go and let it do it’s thing.
Man the "Ladder" is quite the hill. 28 degrees, is no joke. Add all that loose ground, an its a dream crusher. Id love to take a snowmobile up the ladder, during winter. Full throttle,.. brrrraaapp!
When Toyota tests the craw control system, they don't keep cutting the wheel from left to right. They keep the wheel straight and the system pulls the truck out. .
Once again a great test report. It's great how you go into everything and explain all the details and try them out. And then at the end the giant made a difference by having less air in the tire. Here you can really see what's additional. I'm looking forward to your next videos on this super course. Thank you very much and kind regards from Germany.
Sounds maybe weird, but this is my dream car at the moment. Even it's in the affordable range (compared to supercars), it's hard to find one without 15-20k upcharge from dealers. I don't think I'll like the new model (most likely a "fresher" design with a humongous screen inside. I would guess with at least one hybrid option.) Not knowing how the new one will really look like, I'm sure I would pick this one over the new one.
There are markups at a lot of dealers around us too. What we did to find it at MSRP was build it out on the Toyota website then we sent it out to every dealer with 75 miles of us. It was a long day of answering the phone calls but we found a local dealer selling at MSRP.
Make calls to Colorado dealerships where Toyota sends ALOT of 4 Runners and see who has a decent inventory. I bought mine at Mountain States in Denver. No markups and less than MSRP
You know, all of you people keep using the words "old". But just like with the Nissan GTR, that is what makes them special. It's refined over the years which makes it better and that's why people love them. Not this constantly changing aesthetics and electric crap.
It’s going to be sad seeing this iconic off roader go away. Hopefully the new Land Cruiser and future 4Runner are able to keep the off road focus and reliability that made it special.
Of course you need to air down! Should have been the first thing you do. Have taken my stock 2021 4Runner TRD Off Road (only skids and sliders) all through Colorado, Utah and Arizona. Of course after completing Hell’s Revenge (including some offshoots) I had plugs in two of my four Highway tires…but? This thing will do far more than I have seen in most any of these sites. Crawl Control and MTS is not a gimmick but only needed in specific situations. I have used it in off camber boulder climbs that my human throttle inputs could not do (left foot braking or otherwise) to get through a difficult obstacle.
This is where toyota went wrong with the Land Cruiser by going cheap. The 1958 LC is supposed to the off road model of the off road model yet it doesn't have as good of tires, no MTS or ATrac and no MTM camera system. The most "off road ready" Land Cruiser will get beat by the 4runner from the factory.
LC300 GR-S has front&rear locker already and LC250 has swaybar disconnect, which means next gen 4runner will have the potential to equipped with front locker and swaybar disconnector, I hope toyota will do their best.😁
I seem to remember you yawning and checking your watch as I crawl controlled down Python Pass before we started shooting. lol. The Baja Boss on the Bronco is an AT, not an MT. :) I really think that the front locker is all the difference when it comes to these climbs. The 4Runner did pretty good at saving face once the tires were deflated some. Cool vid. (poor camera)
The Baja Boss is available in either an A/T or a M/T. I have the 285/70/17 A/T's on my 4Runner. They have wider M/T style tread on the edges and A/T in the middle. They do work well off-road and aren't too loud on road.
Nooooooooooooooo!! You broke the ladder! Beg, borrow or steal a tractor so you can please go back and pack that spot back down that the silly 4Runner just ruined so it'll be ready when you run the CrossTrek up that ladder like a squirrel running up a tree being chased by a cat. 👍😁👍
Just over a week ago we took our 2023 Subaru Ascent on Section 2 of WA BDR as well as some roads just eastside of the Manastash Ridge Observatory. The steepest we tackled was up hill 17 degree angle over dry dirt and loose rock with tons of moguls. The Subaru Ascent did fantastic. No slipping, just drove right up! There was a lot of other obstacles too, lots of rocks and dry/deep dirt and huge ruts. No problems on any of that. That said, we are getting a rear diff locker installed this week as we intend to tackle some tougher stuff later this year. Really wish you could get a 2023 Subaru Ascent out there (or I'll bring ours over!). I think they will impress with their capabilities.
Turning the wheel back and forth is defeating the systems. Turn all that shit off. Put it in 4 wheel high and grt a run at it and staynon the gas. A sandy hill like that needs momentum. Should fly and bounce right up it. Tech isnt always the answer. Sometimes you juat have ti go back to old school wheeling techniques. But I get that the point was to test the systems. But you defeated it turning the wheel back and forth like an old school basic system.
Toyota experts….I have 2018 Trd pro Calvary Blue 27000 on it with a 5yr 100.000 warranty….its in a excellent condition trying to sell just a opinion from you guys what would you guys ask for it in this market today
May still be similar to what it did prior. Any more difficult of the road, you’ll be watching TFL videos. Subaru owners don’t like them but the point of their video is just to see how they far they can push it and some videos show how good Subarus are compared to off road focus vehicles
1:04 I don’t think I ever realized how offset the engine cover deal is in the engine bay. Why the heck did they do it that way? Couldn’t they have centered it and just put cut outs for the intake or whatever?
Ребята, я в шоке! Наш водитель с острова Ольхон, на такой машине, вашу трассу прошел бы на раз, причем не сильно то пользуясь настройками трансмиссии. Это трасса для кроссоверов.
Это только кажется что пройдешь на раз. А на самом деле на этом трэйле все смешано, и камень и земля как пыль и сухая похоже на песок. На каждый пол-метра или метр состав меняется радикально и осложняет соответственно. Не зря создали в таком месте. Это не каменистые трэйлы в горы Колорадо или пустынные в Неваде где на всю протяжению пути однотипно, все легко и предсказуемо, даже если они опасно выглядят.
I'd like to see a run with some different tires.... I was not very impressed with the Nitto's... The BFG KO2's have been pretty great. Gotten me through quite a bit without even airing down.
I'm going into this question with three caveats out of the way: it was a rental, it very likely was NOT on snow tires, and it was a 22 SR5, NOT a TRD Pro. However, recently while in CO, I was going up a mountain pass the morning after a foot or two of snow fell. The roads were plowed but some areas were still a bit compacted. I couldn't have been going more than 20 mph up and around a curve and the brakes suddenly locked completely. I can't remember the last time I had a vehicle's brakes lock on me in 10 years of driving, and luckily I managed to careen it into a ditch and not over the opposing edge of the road. Am I missing something? I know the SR5s are technically "part-time 4 Wheel Drive" vehicles but they have ABS, which should completely eliminate the chances of that happening. So why would a 2022 SR5 4Runner's brakes lock up at all?
For all the Toyota experts…I have trd pro 2018 calveryblue color in a perfect condition and I mean it has only 27.000 on it with bumper to bumper (100.000) warranty…looking to sell what would be a fair price to ask for tnx guys!
My last new car purchase in 2013 was a $60K vehicle at 2.9% . Ten year later and 6 years without a car note, purchasing a new $50K+ vehicle is such a hard thing to do (especially at today's rates). Who is buying these vehicles in 2023?
Many people are. Good luck finding one of these on a dealer's lot anywhere in the country. And if they're not already pre-sold, be prepared to pay $10-$20K markups if you want to drive it home. I got super lucky with a 2022 4Runner TRD Pro last year in Lime Rush @ MSRP and 3.1% APR! It's a 4runner TRD Pro. These vehicles are always in high demand.
It’s nuts when I see people buy this Particular 4Runner and keep it with the small sissy Tires. Use it just to got the kids from school and on Grocery Runs. Sad to see all those cool features never get used.
All the beach vids using crawl let the truck sort it out.. no steering, it hampers it. But nice vid otherwise and love the color too. And happy the airing down worked, I always forget this.. not anymore !
@@drivingsports That's the cool part about the swiss army knife of SUV's. You get a lot of choices of how you want to tackle the job.(time permitting)😆
Many people complain about the Tacoma seating position....i had one and found it no problem....does the 4Runner have a better seating position or is it the same as the Tacoma?
I remember as a teenager, I looked at exotic sports cars with awe knowing I could never afford one but it would be really nice. Now, as an adult, I look at even basic new cars with awe knowing that I’ll never be able to afford one but it would be really nice.
I stopped at a local Toyota dealer on a Sunday to look at a 4Runner and the factory sticker had a price of $61332 (it had that stupid XP Wallet Predator package), which was fairly high but doable. Next to it, however, was a dealer added sticker that had a line that boldly stated MARKUP $8000! They don't even try to hide the ripoff anymore. I love the vehicle but I will give it a hard pass until prices get a little more sane.
Ya, because they use the excuse of low stock. They still blame covid for everything too.
I tried shopping for a 2023 TRD Pro earlier this year. The dealer had the same car in this video en route to the dealership. Market price had it around $60k which is where the market on this car is. When they handed me the deal sheet, they had a market adjustment price of $20 thousand. They wanted $80 thousand for the 4Runner. Literally got up and walked out
Plenty of used 4Runners sitting on lots. They still go for a high price, but a lot less than what you are quoting.
These are terribly overpriced. Also the horrible mpg makes it the most expensive vehicle to own. What a bunch of lemmings
@@themagician7734Have you seen what the FJ Cruisers are going for? Insane. So, not surprising dealers are jacking up to hell on the 4R before the LC hits the lots. The new LC probably will rob the 4R customer base and the 4R will be discontinued. To become the next FJ collectible.
Ive always wanted a 4runner, back when I was in the market in 21, I would watch your videos and it segmented my decision even more to get a Trd off road.
Haven't had a single issue since
Good to hear.. I am planning to get the 23 ORP. Did you opt for KDSS and why!
What a great vehicle! I have 2022 Lime Rush TRD Pro and have driven 52K miles with it in just 1.5 years! The TRD Fox shocks are some of the most comfortable shocks I've had, probably comparable to the Ford Raptor. The TRD Pro without any modifications is already a super capable vehicle, as I've done Black Bear Pass, Ophir Pass, and many others without any problems. I doubt most of the people who have steel bumpers and 34'' tires ever go off-road haha.
Just swapped out a new Fox suspension set at 50K, changed transmission fluid and differential fluids, and got a new set of General Grabber ATX. Here's to the next 50K miles 🍻
Did you need new suspension due to leaks,etc or wanted an upgrade?
@@TobyCostaRica The Fox shocks, like all performance shocks (Icons, Kings), need to be rebuilt at 50K miles, otherwise it'll ride really harshly. I didn't have any leaking issues or anything but I do quite a bit of offroading so it was time. I bought another set and sent the old ones on the vehicle to Fox for rebuild. It takes 3-4 weeks to rebuild the shocks and I didn't want to not have my car while it's being done, so now I have 2 sets for whenever I need to get the shocks rebuilt.
I haven't gone anywhere that the TRD Pro can't go yet so I don't have the need to upgrade suspensions as of now.
@@whocaresjustdoit thanks, I was curious as the OEM spec Fox shocks are protected vs exposed shafts aftermarket. That design (and prior ownership of aftermarket shocks) makes we want to go OEM on my next 4x4.
@@TobyCostaRica yeah I’m with you on that. I’m on the boat of trusting the engineering Toyota puts into the TRD Pro. I’ve owned aftermarket shocks too and they always break down at one point or another. Haven’t had a single problem with the TRD Pro Fox 2.5 despite frequently heavy off-roading.
@@whocaresjustdoit yeah at this point I’m done with uniballs, helms and poly bushings. Oem specs rubber bushings and sealed ball joints for good reason. The only thing I’d do is a TRD lift kit if going higher.
Damn I just wanna say I love this channel, proper off road tests, no holding back any punches just good ol' proper and realistic scenarios of what these machines should be capable of and expected to do. thanks for keeping it real
I would also like to comment the 4-runner. We had this car in the 90s. And we fell in love with it for its highest off-road capabilities. And no parts of it ever broked! We used it for hunting in very wild places, in autumn and winter, when there is a lot of snow and very cold, where any breakdown could cause serious problems. People still drive old 4-runners and don’t want to change them to new ones.
It cost about 30 К dollars in Kazakhstan.
Respect to the author for good videos!
That uphill course is beginning to look like a sand dune! Great the "old" 4Runner could make it up with a little help by you dropping the tire air a bit. Great truck!
More like the oldest “new” vehicle for sale in America
I have a 23 ORP... Never have I loved a vehicle this much. Every day I drive it, I'm glad I bought it. Awesome machine. Great footage
Ryan, I can see there is a good reason for automotive journalists liking this 4Runner. 😊
I know Driving Sports is a different channel compared to like, TFL, where DS is focusing more on new vehicles, but it would be cool to see some older modified or even stock 4x4's take on some of the courses shown in these videos just to see how old vehicles stack up and how technology has improved or hindered off road performance in certain areas.
Ryan, The term 'maybe next year' seems to have been invented for this generation of 4Runner. 😉 Whenever 'next year' finally arrives for the 4Runner, rumors suggest a manual 4Runner will be part of the rebirth and return to 4Runner roots . While we are still daydreaming about that far off arrival, I can also throw in a reverie about the reintroduction of the original 2 door 4Runner. 🤞🤞🤩
There are a lot of rumors about it. Some fear. Some hope. I made my choice back in 2018 and I cannot see me ever trading up. No matter what comes next. Yes, it would be great to have some things I did not get, but I knew what I was getting into. I accepted this jack of all trades for what it is. Could it use another gear or 2, yes. Could it use a front camera, yes. (new ones have it)And there are other little nuances people talk about that I knew about before my purchase. But it has been 5 years now, and no complaints from me. And still Toyota has not recreated the 4R. Could it go away like the FJ Cruiser? Maybe. The new Land Cruiser could slide in and take the business. But I would not pick the new LC over what I have.
Seriously. Every once in a while when I'm searching for an answer to something in the 4Runner groups, I'll come across a post from like 2018 talking about the rumored "new" 4R coming out the next year.
@@WW-wf8tu There is NO way the 4Runner will be discontinued. It is the cash cow 4X4 in Toyota's biggest market. The debut of the new GX and Land Cruiser have only whetted the appetite for the possibilities of what the next 4Runner will be.
@@rightlanehog3151The new Land Cruiser is honestly a sales flop if the new 4Runner ends up being good.
@@faheemabbas3965 A sales flop compared to the 2,000 -3,000 Land Cruisers they used to sell per year?
My pro is by far the best vehicle I have ever owned , I’ve had Tacomas silverados f150s explorers and I still love the 4runner
I love the Fact that you use every source available to make up the Hill! Awesome Work!
Every time you have a 4Runner on, it reenforces my decision to own a 4Runner. thank you 😊
I hate to sound like a fanatic, but owning a 4R TRD OR has been the best decision I have made. And I have only put on rock sliders. Everything(including tires)is stock. And it is a tank!
I just bought a trd off-road premium and put bfg 285s on it on stock suspension. Already more capable than the pro for at least 10k less and has the same features.
Cool story 😂
Even on stock size I think those Nittos on the weaker side and not much from all season tires. I've tried stock size GY Wrangler Duratrac and I experience a huge difference in grip. Now running Toyo OC 285/70R17 on stock suspension, haven't had a chance to test offroad yet. I believe 285's would help to float over due to more area with same psi vs stock 265s. Not sure unless I live next to Ryan and test TRD Pro stock tires vs my stock TRD Pro except for 285s 😃
Well that’s simply not true. 😂
Keep telling yourself that. Whatever makes you feel comfortable.
Tires are everything as is air pressure.
I have a 2014 Trail Premium (same trim as the TRD Off Road), with 150k miles and it still feels new. Those stock nitto's aren't the best tire. The 5th gen is an instant classic, and it the first car I've owned that I know I'll never part ways with.
I have a 1014 Trail as well. Only 145K. With a 3" lift and 33" Baja Boss tires, it rocks. I've parked right next to a 2023 and it's hard to tell the difference.
You defeated the crawl control on the ladder by turning the wheels back and forth. If you watch the videos Toyota did on the Tacoma from 2016 you’ll learn how it works. Good luck next time and keep up the videos!
So crawl control only works when you're traveling directly straight ahead?
@@trailrunnah8886 Crawl control works to build contact surface. If you watch the Toyota demo video of the Tacoma stuck in sand, you’ll see the system inching the sand to build up traction as it digs out. By turning the steering wheel back and forth, this can’t happen. Your literally digging a hole by doing that. I’m not a Toyota engineer, LOL, but that’s the best way I can explain it.
@@WesterntrailbossIn sand, the tires are filling the hole back up as they slowly turn, stop and turn. Turning the wheel side to side negates this action as it is creating more ditch to fill in. Whether or not in the soil shown here the functionality of CC would be duplicated like it was in the example you mentioned, remains to be seen. As most people don't have the patience to let the system work. I have personally duplicated the example you mentioned in my 4R, in sand. Confident that it would in fact dig me out, I did not have anyone around, no winches, no aids of any kind when I ran my test. I spun all 4 tires(4WD Hi)until the vehicle was resting on the frame. There is no more stuck than that. Flipped on CC and let it do its thing. In less than 5 minutes(if memory serves)it crawled itself out. I primarily did this test(and filmed it)to debunk those that said you could only do this maneuver going in reverse. I did it going forward. Ryan did a great job here testing out the abilities of all the traction devices, except this 1 example. And I cannot fault him for it, as he does not have a generous amount of time to sit and wait indefinitely to see if it would go up that incline in that soft soil. I am not sure if CC would do it under that condition. But I would love to give it a try. 1 thing is certain, gravity would be on your side going backwards if it did not work going up the hill. Hole or not. Mercedes had a gimmick on some SUV model(s) of the vehicle bouncing up and down in the sand. Thus causing the sand to fill back in the hole. lol Was interesting. I like the CC better tho.
I agree; he is not letting the system work properly, even without crawl control, it is not the best technique.
Looks like he was using the technique that works with the range, rover defender, but you are correct that this is not how Toyota programmed it. He should’ve just kept the steering wheel straight and allowed it to do it’s thing.
I love my new 4runner. I was lucky and got a Pro at MSRP, but the factory tires are not great. I haven't changed them out quite yet. I've only had it a month.
Newer the tires are more money you can get when you sell them so you can put towards your new set of tires. I normally sell all 5 tires and get new 5 tires of my choice.
When I got my 4R Trd off-road back in 2018 I was going through the same thing. I wanted to use the stock road tires until they went bad but I couldn’t wait. After 1 month, I ended up selling them on marketplace and then using that money towards some ko2s. 65,000 miles later I still have those same ko2s!
@@itr0863how bad is the mpg?
We have a 2014 4Runner Trail. It is equivalent to a TRD Off-Road, locker, crawl control, etc. It now has a 3" OME suspension lift and 285/70/17 Mickey Thompson Baja Boss A/T's. I'm sure it would have no major issues on this course. I would air down to 18-20 psi on the steepest part. Technology can only do so much. Some momentum ground clearance and better tires will win almost every time.
@billricheter5678 not great. Hwy around 16.5-17.5
Great content. This could be a go to for how different techniques worked on that very loose and steep climb.
A 4Runner is no Jeep but it is more than capable for a Off-Road machine.
YESSSSS!!!! Ryan, I swear you are my favorite at this stuff! You must've read my previous comment about wanting to take a 4R TRD OR up your courses to challenge them! THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH FOR THIS!!!!! You did almost every last thing I would have done(before airing down)to tackle that hill! This is 1 of the reasons why I really dig your channel. You explain everything well. You challenge things harder than most other channels. You do your homework and you really speak to me. I almost NEVER can find anything to add to what you do. This was an excellent Friday treat for me. TYSM! Still want to bring my 4R TRD OR out there someday. lol Only minor thing I might have done on the CC attempt at slow speed, is not turned the tires and gave it a longer time to see if it would fill the holes back in and climb up and out. (works in sand) But for video purposes, this was more than convincing and rewarding to me. Cannot over state how great this was for me today! You say"we hope you enjoy them" Well, you can count on it from me!
Love your 4Runner and Tacoma videos. Thank you for trying MTS and crawl control before going straight for the locker.
Toyota has sold many 4Runners because of your videos.
Have a 21 trd pro 4runner in lunar rock. Your videos were partially why I sold my 2019 jl rubicon. Love the 4runner.
I got mine 8 months ago, it hadn’t even left the port in Japan. My markup for the solar octane pro, completely unseen came around 2k. I paid for it in half as I’m trying to work on my credit a little. 3k miles later, cause I drive company vehicles, I still love it.
I feel like auto reviewers always dedicate so much time to showing off MTS and crawl control, but the overland channels that actually use these vehicles long term typically say they never use it. A rear locker, good tires, and a little momentum is more effective than a lot of the systems from any manufacturer.
You'll like our upcoming ZR2 review. We ignore all the modes. Lol.
@@drivingsports Looking forward to it! I'm patiently waiting for my zr2 order to be accepted.
Dealership wouldn’t even let my wife and i test drive the 2023. They said they only have one in stock. I’ll never step foot in that place again. If you ever come out to Calgary, you’ll find that there are a lot of snobs here.
a lot of companies wont let you test drive their high end stuff unless they believe youre actually going to purchase it, to avoid putting milage on it. for the ford raptors, they wont even let you inside the car unless you have a down payment ready.
@@mileshawkins6225 we were there about to trade in our Lexus. They had almost nothing on their lot either.
@@Podcastforthewin ah sorry bout that. Dealerships are scummy man. They treat you like ass, then spam your email with satisfaction surveys 🤦🏻♂️
Yup same thing happened to me. I bought my trd pro from another dealer who let me and got it for only a 3k markup.
I drive a '00 LX470. I drove my colleague's 2016 4runner and was so happy that my Lexus was a far better vehicle.
I just wonder what will happen when all of the good old reliable cars fade away to time…
And yet here you are watching a 4runner review. FYI, Consumer Reports, 2023 Toyota 4Runner most reliable vehicle. Far Better?.......um, not really tho, No. Just way more overpric.....expensive.
Great video! Definitely would like to have seen the system work as designed… moving the wheel back and forth is definitely a no-no with crawl control. You need to point in the direction you want to go and let it do it’s thing.
Theres a reason the Nitto Terra Grappler have had the nickname “terrible grapplers” for the past i don’t know… 15 years? 😂😂
Man the "Ladder" is quite the hill. 28 degrees, is no joke. Add all that loose ground, an its a dream crusher. Id love to take a snowmobile up the ladder, during winter. Full throttle,.. brrrraaapp!
When Toyota tests the craw control system, they don't keep cutting the wheel from left to right. They keep the wheel straight and the system pulls the truck out. .
Tires are very important for offroad. You just prove it.
I was fortunate enough to get our Solar Octane at MSRP. We ordered it in March, and received it in July. We live in the Cincinnati area.
We don't pay mark ups in Ohio👍.
Thanks, Ryan. Your enthusiasm is very welcome.
Once again a great test report. It's great how you go into everything and explain all the details and try them out. And then at the end the giant made a difference by having less air in the tire. Here you can really see what's additional. I'm looking forward to your next videos on this super course. Thank you very much and kind regards from Germany.
4runner to the rescue!!😍👍
The magic of airing down! So glad you took that step.
Sounds maybe weird, but this is my dream car at the moment. Even it's in the affordable range (compared to supercars), it's hard to find one without 15-20k upcharge from dealers. I don't think I'll like the new model (most likely a "fresher" design with a humongous screen inside. I would guess with at least one hybrid option.) Not knowing how the new one will really look like, I'm sure I would pick this one over the new one.
Really? Nothing but msrp in my area but they are a little harder to find . Don’t be afraid to drive out of state to look.
There are markups at a lot of dealers around us too. What we did to find it at MSRP was build it out on the Toyota website then we sent it out to every dealer with 75 miles of us. It was a long day of answering the phone calls but we found a local dealer selling at MSRP.
Not even close to that where I live!! Yes, there are Dealer add-ons - $2k to $3K above MSRP is normal
Make calls to Colorado dealerships where Toyota sends ALOT of 4 Runners and see who has a decent inventory. I bought mine at Mountain States in Denver. No markups and less than MSRP
What percentage under msrp if you don’t mind me asking? Looking at one at the same place. CO resident
That's some challenging dirt/ rock combination
Love my 4Runner!
Did you try using the locker with atrac? I’ve gone up far worse in a 4Runner with atrac and it’s always worked
You know, all of you people keep using the words "old". But just like with the Nissan GTR, that is what makes them special. It's refined over the years which makes it better and that's why people love them. Not this constantly changing aesthetics and electric crap.
I love your videos. It's the type of 'messing around' I do in most of my off-road outings. When in doubt, use more skinny pedal.
It’s going to be sad seeing this iconic off roader go away. Hopefully the new Land Cruiser and future 4Runner are able to keep the off road focus and reliability that made it special.
The more complex the least reliable. That’s why 4 runners have done so well. No change in 20 years
Nope. They won’t.
Welcome to the planned obsolescence era of Toyota. Keep your old car. They want more money now.
Quit sawing at the wheel while in crawl control bud 😆
Of course you need to air down! Should have been the first thing you do. Have taken my stock 2021 4Runner TRD Off Road (only skids and sliders) all through Colorado, Utah and Arizona. Of course after completing Hell’s Revenge (including some offshoots) I had plugs in two of my four Highway tires…but? This thing will do far more than I have seen in most any of these sites. Crawl Control and MTS is not a gimmick but only needed in specific situations. I have used it in off camber boulder climbs that my human throttle inputs could not do (left foot braking or otherwise) to get through a difficult obstacle.
This is where toyota went wrong with the Land Cruiser by going cheap. The 1958 LC is supposed to the off road model of the off road model yet it doesn't have as good of tires, no MTS or ATrac and no MTM camera system. The most "off road ready" Land Cruiser will get beat by the 4runner from the factory.
LC300 GR-S has front&rear locker already and LC250 has swaybar disconnect, which means next gen 4runner will have the potential to equipped with front locker and swaybar disconnector, I hope toyota will do their best.😁
The Tacoma, upcoming Land Cruiser and Gx don’t have front lockers so…don’t expect it really
Front swaybar disconnect likely yes
I seem to remember you yawning and checking your watch as I crawl controlled down Python Pass before we started shooting. lol. The Baja Boss on the Bronco is an AT, not an MT. :) I really think that the front locker is all the difference when it comes to these climbs. The 4Runner did pretty good at saving face once the tires were deflated some. Cool vid. (poor camera)
The Baja Boss is available in either an A/T or a M/T. I have the 285/70/17 A/T's on my 4Runner. They have wider M/T style tread on the edges and A/T in the middle. They do work well off-road and aren't too loud on road.
@@kurtburkhardt5862 Right. But the ones we ran on his course are ATs.
Nooooooooooooooo!! You broke the ladder! Beg, borrow or steal a tractor so you can please go back and pack that spot back down that the silly 4Runner just ruined so it'll be ready when you run the CrossTrek up that ladder like a squirrel running up a tree being chased by a cat. 👍😁👍
I really hope the new one holds up to the reliability as this gen
Just over a week ago we took our 2023 Subaru Ascent on Section 2 of WA BDR as well as some roads just eastside of the Manastash Ridge Observatory. The steepest we tackled was up hill 17 degree angle over dry dirt and loose rock with tons of moguls. The Subaru Ascent did fantastic. No slipping, just drove right up!
There was a lot of other obstacles too, lots of rocks and dry/deep dirt and huge ruts. No problems on any of that. That said, we are getting a rear diff locker installed this week as we intend to tackle some tougher stuff later this year.
Really wish you could get a 2023 Subaru Ascent out there (or I'll bring ours over!). I think they will impress with their capabilities.
And for all of your efforts you're rewarded with a nice relaxing quiet ride home ..and not WA WA WA of the tires....great truck.
Can you try the exact same course for fun with an 2024 Ascent Onyx Black ? ♥
When stuck in more Sandy type of conditions, on my Trd off-road, I’ve switched MTS to rock so it has less slip in places where does find a better grip
Turning the wheel back and forth is defeating the systems. Turn all that shit off. Put it in 4 wheel high and grt a run at it and staynon the gas. A sandy hill like that needs momentum. Should fly and bounce right up it. Tech isnt always the answer. Sometimes you juat have ti go back to old school wheeling techniques. But I get that the point was to test the systems. But you defeated it turning the wheel back and forth like an old school basic system.
Toyota experts….I have 2018 Trd pro Calvary Blue 27000 on it with a 5yr 100.000 warranty….its in a excellent condition trying to sell just a opinion from you guys what would you guys ask for it in this market today
Excellent Vid! Thanks for doing these.
Having spent so much time with the Forester Wilderness, how would you say it might stack up against your new obstacles at the test area?
May still be similar to what it did prior. Any more difficult of the road, you’ll be watching TFL videos. Subaru owners don’t like them but the point of their video is just to see how they far they can push it and some videos show how good Subarus are compared to off road focus vehicles
Pretty cool to see what a difference air pressure makes!
A front locker would be awesome Toyota if you are listening. I love my toy toter
1:04 I don’t think I ever realized how offset the engine cover deal is in the engine bay. Why the heck did they do it that way? Couldn’t they have centered it and just put cut outs for the intake or whatever?
Weird, right? New one will probably fix that.
@@drivingsports Just fix the old one and remove it 😂
You should have tried A-trac!
Would be nice to see side by side comparison with lexus GX460 or the new GX550.
Really good technical review.
Ребята, я в шоке! Наш водитель с острова Ольхон, на такой машине, вашу трассу прошел бы на раз, причем не сильно то пользуясь настройками трансмиссии. Это трасса для кроссоверов.
Это только кажется что пройдешь на раз. А на самом деле на этом трэйле все смешано, и камень и земля как пыль и сухая похоже на песок. На каждый пол-метра или метр состав меняется радикально и осложняет соответственно. Не зря создали в таком месте. Это не каменистые трэйлы в горы Колорадо или пустынные в Неваде где на всю протяжению пути однотипно, все легко и предсказуемо, даже если они опасно выглядят.
The Bronco sport made it up the ladder...once
We bought ours last month!
Thanks for the video. I was considering this TRD Pro 4 runner, but not after seeing this.
I'd like to see a run with some different tires.... I was not very impressed with the Nitto's... The BFG KO2's have been pretty great. Gotten me through quite a bit without even airing down.
Crawl control works better if you allow it to , turning the wheel doesn’t allow it to thread the needle
32 Psi is factory recommended so they were over inflated to start with.
I'm going into this question with three caveats out of the way: it was a rental, it very likely was NOT on snow tires, and it was a 22 SR5, NOT a TRD Pro. However, recently while in CO, I was going up a mountain pass the morning after a foot or two of snow fell. The roads were plowed but some areas were still a bit compacted. I couldn't have been going more than 20 mph up and around a curve and the brakes suddenly locked completely. I can't remember the last time I had a vehicle's brakes lock on me in 10 years of driving, and luckily I managed to careen it into a ditch and not over the opposing edge of the road. Am I missing something? I know the SR5s are technically "part-time 4 Wheel Drive" vehicles but they have ABS, which should completely eliminate the chances of that happening. So why would a 2022 SR5 4Runner's brakes lock up at all?
If the ice is slick enough and the tires bad enough it might feel like the brakes are locked.
For all the Toyota experts…I have trd pro 2018 calveryblue color in a perfect condition and I mean it has only 27.000 on it with bumper to bumper (100.000) warranty…looking to sell what would be a fair price to ask for tnx guys!
My last new car purchase in 2013 was a $60K vehicle at 2.9% . Ten year later and 6 years without a car note, purchasing a new $50K+ vehicle is such a hard thing to do (especially at today's rates). Who is buying these vehicles in 2023?
You ask a good question. My last new car purchase was in 2005 with 0% interest for 3 years.
Many people are. Good luck finding one of these on a dealer's lot anywhere in the country. And if they're not already pre-sold, be prepared to pay $10-$20K markups if you want to drive it home. I got super lucky with a 2022 4Runner TRD Pro last year in Lime Rush @ MSRP and 3.1% APR!
It's a 4runner TRD Pro. These vehicles are always in high demand.
I have na idea. surprise us with the OBW climbing that very steep hill
I have tried the recent 4 runner and the ride quality wasn't that smooth but I tried my friend's old 4 runner and it was so smooth. Why is that?
Amazing, big boss fights on Friday
Timeless design ❤
You had trouble because of the tires. We offroaders here in the NV and AZ desert look at Nitto tires as a bad joke...they're useless.
Ding ding ding.
What are the best tires to use in NV/AZ?
It’s nuts when I see people buy this Particular 4Runner and keep it with the small sissy Tires. Use it just to got the kids from school and on Grocery Runs. Sad to see all those cool features never get used.
Your video's are excellent in both content and visual quility. Just curious on cameras used besides the Panasonic GH5 and many GoPro's...
It depends on the shoot, but we also use the Canon C70, R3 and R5. GH5MkII only used for vehicle interior shot.
All the beach vids using crawl let the truck sort it out.. no steering, it hampers it. But nice vid otherwise and love the color too. And happy the airing down worked, I always forget this.. not anymore !
Need more terrain spot like this to watch
Love this video! You did it YES!!!!
55.600 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍Thanks for your video and job👍👍👍👍👍👍
You need to get that defender back and try it on the course!
That loose sand is like the economy: It sucks you in with no mercy!
LoL, that's true. We have quick sand economy now 😷
@@LionRunnerBidenomics, it’s working? 🤦🏻♂️
I am curious if you used 4lo and just atrac (the sledge hammer) on that ladder…ha
Didn't. Not enough time in the day to try everything.
@@drivingsports That's the cool part about the swiss army knife of SUV's. You get a lot of choices of how you want to tackle the job.(time permitting)😆
Nice $50K post hole digger!!!! ha. (kidding, I love these trucks)..
Just shows how impressive the Bronco really is. Now do a Wrangler and a Defender.
Lol!!!! The bronco has two lockers and much bigger tires so it's nothing special! The 4runner will do as good as it with the same settings
you are using crawl control incorrectly. should stop rocking the wheels back and forth and be patient with it.
Many people complain about the Tacoma seating position....i had one and found it no problem....does the 4Runner have a better seating position or is it the same as the Tacoma?
4Runner is not at all like the Tacoma seating position.
why wouldn’t you try not turning the steering wheel for 10-30 seconds or so, seems the system would need a bit of time to figure out
When will you review the Nissan Pathfinder Rock Creek edition? It's said to be a 4Runner alternative. 🤔
It would be great to see a GX460 do the hill climb
When is the ZR2 video going live?
It's going to take a couple weeks in edit.
Can’t wait to see a defender
Step one when venturing off road is AIR DOWN!
Thanks!